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Head to head, which is better? Ikko ikki or Shimazu? Any tips?

gbatempergbatemper MemberPosts: 83Registered Users
Shimazu -
Has Katana Samurai
Is in good position

Ikko Ikki -
Has Overpowered Monk armies
Can Easily start revolts (Me and my partner is only playing with 1 Ikko Monk allowed as a rule, so no 10 monks starting revolts everywhere)
Has 2 provinces.

We are playing on Hard difficulty.


Can anyone give me any tips? What should I do? I am playing as Shimazu, my partner is playing as Ikko Ikki. Head to head, Playing as AI is not allowed.
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  • Half Life ExpertHalf Life Expert Senior Member Oak Park, CA , USAPosts: 4,490Registered Users
    edited November 2011
    ikko have that advatnage of easy revolts, but on the battlefield, if you can rain down arrows on his monks before they can get into melee with your inf, you will stand a chance
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  • ArilonArilon Senior Member Posts: 229Registered Users
    edited November 2011
    My guess is that Ikko Ikki is "better",
    they got loanswords wich are very cost effective,
    only disadvantage is Moral, so you should conquer the near region with the shrine asap.

    BTW 5 is the max for every tac unit (monks,ninja,metsuke)

    @ half life expert

    Don't forget they start with a smith and you can later Build the weaponary,
    so afaik +5 armor for a total of 7!
    Arrows wont bother the monks anymore...
  • gbatempergbatemper Member Posts: 83Registered Users
    edited November 2011
    Hmm, I might convert to Christianity for instant matchlocks, so I will stand a chance when I encounter his armies.
    Is it a good idea?
    Anyone got any ideas of what I should specifically do as shimazu? Note that my partner is only allowed to have 1 Ikko monk on the field at a time.
  • Half Life ExpertHalf Life Expert Senior Member Oak Park, CA , USAPosts: 4,490Registered Users
    edited November 2011
    im sure firearms will give you a great advantage agianst the ikko, just be sure to have some archer support as they generally have longer ranges than matchlocks
    "we have officially entered into pre-whinning about our games."- Cogre

    I will always respect differing opinions on here, so long as they are presented maturely and in a civil manner

    "No Battleplan ever survives contact with the enemy"- Helmuth Von Moltke the Elder

    The WWI Thread: https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/30914/why-a-world-war-i-themed-total-war/p1

    I'm skipping TW: Warhammer
  • gbatempergbatemper Member Posts: 83Registered Users
    edited November 2011
    im sure firearms will give you a great advantage agianst the ikko, just be sure to have some archer support as they generally have longer ranges than matchlocks
    Hmm, okay. I will probably go with Bow heavy armies, with some matchlocks, with infantry units of Katana Samurais.
  • Half Life ExpertHalf Life Expert Senior Member Oak Park, CA , USAPosts: 4,490Registered Users
    edited November 2011
    i would throw in a couple yari samurai (or yari ashigaru if its better for your budget)as well to help protect agianst any cavalry you may come across

    i never rely on matchlocks, when i do use them, they are ether a support role or are backed up on all sides by archers
    "we have officially entered into pre-whinning about our games."- Cogre

    I will always respect differing opinions on here, so long as they are presented maturely and in a civil manner

    "No Battleplan ever survives contact with the enemy"- Helmuth Von Moltke the Elder

    The WWI Thread: https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/30914/why-a-world-war-i-themed-total-war/p1

    I'm skipping TW: Warhammer
  • gbatempergbatemper Member Posts: 83Registered Users
    edited November 2011
    i would throw in a couple yari samurai (or yari ashigaru if its better for your budget)as well to help protect agianst any cavalry you may come across

    i never rely on matchlocks, when i do you them, they are ether a support role or are backed up on all sides by archers
    Okay. What do you think I should to defend myself against the revolts?
  • Half Life ExpertHalf Life Expert Senior Member Oak Park, CA , USAPosts: 4,490Registered Users
    edited November 2011
    well i recommend the school of thought i used when faced with endless christian revolts as shimazu:

    have at the minimum 2-3 yari ashigaru and 2-3 bow ashigaru in your castles to back up your permanent garrisons

    let the rebels attack and throw them back, when they are reeling (and if severly weakened) march out and destroy them
    "we have officially entered into pre-whinning about our games."- Cogre

    I will always respect differing opinions on here, so long as they are presented maturely and in a civil manner

    "No Battleplan ever survives contact with the enemy"- Helmuth Von Moltke the Elder

    The WWI Thread: https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/30914/why-a-world-war-i-themed-total-war/p1

    I'm skipping TW: Warhammer
  • gbatempergbatemper Member Posts: 83Registered Users
    edited November 2011
    well i recommend the school of thought i used when faced with endless christian revolts as shimazu:

    have at the minimum 2-3 yari ashigaru and 2-3 bow ashigaru in your castles to back up your permanent garrisons

    let the rebels attack and throw them back, when they are reeling (and if severly weakened) march out and destroy them
    Okay, thanks for tip :).
  • Half Life ExpertHalf Life Expert Senior Member Oak Park, CA , USAPosts: 4,490Registered Users
    edited November 2011
    no problem, good luck in your MP campaign!
    "we have officially entered into pre-whinning about our games."- Cogre

    I will always respect differing opinions on here, so long as they are presented maturely and in a civil manner

    "No Battleplan ever survives contact with the enemy"- Helmuth Von Moltke the Elder

    The WWI Thread: https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/30914/why-a-world-war-i-themed-total-war/p1

    I'm skipping TW: Warhammer
  • SecuterSecuter Senior Member Posts: 1,693Registered Users
    edited November 2011
    Ikko Ikki are at an disadvantage from the start. Nobody likes them. If you convert to Christianity this will happen to you too.

    Ikko: -10
    Christianity: -40
    Make a Medieval 3!
    More units.
    More interested in European history.
    Different cultures.
    More factions.
    Not that many gun powder troops, it's not a new Empire I want.
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