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  • tadakatsutadakatsu Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 791

    tadakatsu said:

    tadakatsu said:

    tadakatsu said:

    jamreal18 said:

    Bronze Age playable factions:

    *Egypt
    *Mycenae
    *Assyria
    *Hittites
    *Mittani
    *Babylon
    *Sumerian
    *Akkadian
    *Sea People

    Way better than Shogun 3. Totally diverse factions.

    diversity doesnt mean good fyi. there is a reason why shogun 2 was extremely successful and well it wasnt cause of diversity it was simply put for being a great game. they could have however had japan invade china in an expansion since leyasu tokugawa was shogun when japan invaded china or had the mongol invasion etc there is alot more they could have done with that era that they chose not to do.
    There is a reason why Empire and Shogun 2's sales weren't that far apart and also why concurrent players on Shogun 2 is pretty much dead, compare that R2 who beat both games absolutely and is still played today.

    Diversity of units is now an obvious issue, especially thanks to the introduction of fantasy.
    um shogun 2 sales where much higher than empire..... also shogun 2 concurrent players are higher than every total war game except warhammer and rome 2 so its far from dead. its a miracle rome 2 isnt dead cause of how awful the launch was. but as i said before diversity never means the game will automaticaly be good
    They weren’t actually. 2011 sales were 600,000 for S2 while it was 800,000 for Empire over a few extra months.

    Diversity doesn’t mean it’s automatically good, but all things equal, it’s an issue. R2 had a poor launch but got over it, however, people enjoy playing thanks to the diversity of the game.

    It’s basic logic, if more factions play differently then a player has more options and has more reasons to play.

    fyi rome 2 doesnt have nearly as much diversity as it should. many of the playable factions used nearly copy/paste units with only a couple unique units. so even if rome 2 had multiple factions per culture each faction only had 2-3 unique units in many cases. besides in rome 2 case all sword infantry played the same and all spear infantry played the same etc. so again i say diversity doesnt mean good. even with 3k "lack of diversity" its the top selling total war game of all time
    However, it doesn’t exist in abstract and if you compare it to Empire, Shogun, 3K etc. It’s better and that’s what counts.

    There are factions that play totally differently to other factions.. not the case for the above games which have mild differences.
    3k factions do play very differently actually.... just not all in terms of units. also different units does not mean different playstyle it simply means they look different but in rome 2 none of the factions had anything unique gameplay wise they all played precisely the same way. while in 3k all factions have unique mechanics that in many cases alter the playstyle significantly
  • dge1dge1 Moderator Arkansas, USARegistered Users, Moderators, Knights Posts: 22,373
    Personally, I've absolutely no interest in another Shogun. Got my fill with the first two.
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  • CommisarCommisar Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 1,980
    tadakatsu said:

    3k factions do play very differently actually.... just not all in terms of units. also different units does not mean different playstyle it simply means they look different but in rome 2 none of the factions had anything unique gameplay wise they all played precisely the same way. while in 3k all factions have unique mechanics that in many cases alter the playstyle significantly

    Not really, factions get a special power. Doesn't make a huge impact to the overall gameplay. They have the same buildings and units for the most part, same technology and same unit abilities. R2 while I do agree the units often played the same, they did have different buildings, techs and abilities which made a larger difference across the game than 3Ks.
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