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Balancing Earth, Water and Fire Cavalry, A discussion (Edited Title to restate purpose)

Andredes#6029Andredes#6029 Registered Users Posts: 47
edited August 2020 in General Discussion
In the current state I'm glad Chinese peasants on horseback with rattan shields can survive missile fire for longer and better than demigods on horseback from Bretonia with their high missile block chance and missile resist. Rant from that over real ideas to balance them. (Edited original post to clarify some things mentioned slightly).

Fire cavalry should rely on armor values to survive concentrated arrow fire and their movement should be slow as they should be heavily armored to represent how they are supposed to charge with mass, either in the front or the flanks. Crossbows would be good against them, more so than standard archers due to armor values. If keeping the militia variants they should have lower charge bonuses as they don't have the armor that would give them the mass to warrant it. Idk what to do with them as a militia unit honestly though.

Earth Cavalry should be lighter in armor but faster with shields and speed to block missile fire not just innate tankiness making them immune to all but spears. they should be used for skirmishing harassing the backline and flanks but should be cutdown like any low armored target to fire from the rear where they can't block the oncoming fire.

Water Cavalry should be the fastest given the lightest armor and should be good at either harassing the flanks or enemy cavalry and Generals. I assumed originally they would be good at harassing from the the flanks or tiring out the heavier fire cavalry, but in the current game state the are slower than fire cavalry and don't actually do enough damage to anything to warrant not just ignoring them. I honestly don't know what to do with them as the game currently is as their damage output is too low to be a threat unless they are hybrid melee like the Qiang and White Horse Fellows, any suggestions would be neat or maybe I'm just using them wrong.

These are my ideas for how cavalry should be rebalanced I'm sure there are plenty of other discussions on how to balance them but I felt like making my own, plus it gave me an excuse to rant once more about how much I hate the balancing decisions for earth cavalry in this game. Anyone else have other ideas or suggestions I'm sure they'll be fun to read.
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  • Rewan#2358Rewan#2358 Registered Users Posts: 4,962
    edited August 2020
    Right now the Cavalry Speed is pretty much solely based on the Armor rating of it's rider which leads to some pretty weird stuff.

    CA could just give give Heavy Cav to all Fire (as they would use heavier breed to shock and awe), Medium Cav to all Earth (to have a mix of mobility and mass) and Ligh Cav to all Water (so they can kite). Remove or at least nerf the missile damage resistance of Earth Cav but buff their melee evasion and attack rate to incentivize keeping them in prolonged melee.

    Obviously having even more differences between quality tiers would be appreciated but it would be a good start. I think...
    Post edited by Rewan#2358 on

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  • bli-nk#6314bli-nk#6314 Registered Users Posts: 6,122
    edited August 2020
    Heavy Fire cavalry riding heavier slightly slower horses with the goal of charging in a formation would also fatigue faster making their armour value the main thing as melee evasion declines as they become exhausted. Having them in wedge/diamond should be fairly powerful as they are currently in game but just charging in loose formation they should lose most of their charge bonus but move slightly faster.

    Medium Earth cavalry with strong, reasonably fast and fatigue resistant horses would have higher melee resistance but lower armour that concentrated ranged could take down in a couple of volleys if they stand still but with the speed + the fatigue resistance they could harass backlines and be thrown into a fight to block charging Fire cavalry with perhaps some charge resistance to help that role as well chase down Water cavalry and enemy skirmishers.

    Light Water cavalry as mostly skirmish archers (with the elite like White Horse Fellows being somewhat hybrids with Earth Cav) that is heavily resistant to fatigue but similar speeds to Medium Earth cavalry (since Earth cavalry main role is vs cavalry)- low charge and mediocre to weak melee stats but can still harass at range or charge when a unit is wavering to break it.
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