Potential units for dark elf DLC: Whelp Masters

Bies#4376

Fossoway

We really gotta dig deep for new DE units

Captain_Rex#1635

Not a big fan of Dog or wolf units... they are always so useless.

Neodeinos#5871

ArneSo said:

Not a big fan of Dog or wolf units... they are always so useless.

Good thing there is something that's called "balance".

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Sir_Godspeed#8395

TWWH has not had "master" units, so this would really just be another warhound unit, which, to be honest, is not all that inspiring or interesting.

Very interesting seeing those old versions of the DE units though. I quite like that aesthetic, it's nostalgic.

Captain_Rex#1635

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

Not a big fan of Dog or wolf units... they are always so useless.

Good thing there is something that's called "balance".

Ca has to balance White Lion Packs first, they are trash and even lose against archers... most redundant unit ever.

Erathil#3988

Wow... early Warhammer art was rubbish.

I'm kind of leery of giving elves more animal pack units. It was a bit of a stretch with War Lions of Chrace. I really don't think Dark Elves or Wood Elves should have troops in that particular niche.

Captain_Rex#1635

ChesterMcGirr said:

Interesting. Not sure I'm a fan of every faction slowly getting every type of unit, it diminishes the faction assymetry which is half the fun of TWWH.

Hounds are great fun though, very satisfying when used appropriately.

ArneSo - I know autoresolve tends to hate hounds but honestly with vanguard they are your best friend against squishy targets. Especially empire artillery crews hehe.

True, against Arty they might be useful. From my experience they always lost their value after the first 20 turns since you are forced to build Doomstack. If Ca would fix that, Wolfs and Hounds would be great.

Neodeinos#5871

ArneSo said:

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

Not a big fan of Dog or wolf units... they are always so useless.

Good thing there is something that's called "balance".

Ca has to balance White Lion Packs first, they are trash and even lose against archers... most redundant unit ever.

What lion packs trash ? I beg your pardon ?

Captain_Rex#1635

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

Not a big fan of Dog or wolf units... they are always so useless.

Good thing there is something that's called "balance".

Ca has to balance White Lion Packs first, they are trash and even lose against archers... most redundant unit ever.

What lion packs trash ? I beg your pardon ?

Umm yes? Have you used them? I mean the Pack not the Chariot

Draculasaurus

On a related note:



"Sorcerous murder-hounds" from 3rd Edition



"Cold One War Hounds" from 3rd Edition




"Cold One Beasthounds" from a Town Cryer Mordheim supplement.

Seems like GW definitely toyed with giving the Dark Elves some sort of hound unit at one point.

makar55

We have not got disciple of Khaine yet

Neodeinos#5871

ArneSo said:

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

Not a big fan of Dog or wolf units... they are always so useless.

Good thing there is something that's called "balance".

Ca has to balance White Lion Packs first, they are trash and even lose against archers... most redundant unit ever.

What lion packs trash ? I beg your pardon ?

Umm yes? Have you used them? I mean the Pack not the Chariot

I've used them plenty of times and it's a great unit.

Captain_Rex#1635

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

Not a big fan of Dog or wolf units... they are always so useless.

Good thing there is something that's called "balance".

Ca has to balance White Lion Packs first, they are trash and even lose against archers... most redundant unit ever.

What lion packs trash ? I beg your pardon ?

Umm yes? Have you used them? I mean the Pack not the Chariot

I've used them plenty of times and it's a great unit.

I remember many threads and comments complaining that they are to bad. They should be a higher tier unit on the same level as Swordmasters. Right now they are slightly better Direwolfs...

Captain_Rex#1635

makar55 said:

We have not got disciple of Khaine yet

Yes!

Neodeinos#5871

ArneSo said:

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

Not a big fan of Dog or wolf units... they are always so useless.

Good thing there is something that's called "balance".

Ca has to balance White Lion Packs first, they are trash and even lose against archers... most redundant unit ever.

What lion packs trash ? I beg your pardon ?

Umm yes? Have you used them? I mean the Pack not the Chariot

I've used them plenty of times and it's a great unit.

I remember many threads and comments complaining that they are to bad. They should be a higher tier unit on the same level as Swordmasters. Right now they are slightly better Direwolfs...

They are far better than Direwolves.

Cortes31#6909

Fossoway said:

We really gotta dig deep for new DE units

If DE have to go for something like this, they better go for nothing at all. I am really starting to hope next DLC will be final LP.

Draculasaurus

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

Not a big fan of Dog or wolf units... they are always so useless.

Good thing there is something that's called "balance".

Ca has to balance White Lion Packs first, they are trash and even lose against archers... most redundant unit ever.

What lion packs trash ? I beg your pardon ?

Umm yes? Have you used them? I mean the Pack not the Chariot

I've used them plenty of times and it's a great unit.

I remember many threads and comments complaining that they are to bad. They should be a higher tier unit on the same level as Swordmasters. Right now they are slightly better Direwolfs...

They are far better than Direwolves.

Yeah, their anti-infantry, missiles resist, high charge bonus, and armor piercing put them waaaaay past Dire Wolves. Their only vulnerability is low armor, but if you use them like regular war hounds to clean up the enemy raged units and war machines they can then deliver massive rear charges to the enemy's front line. You just don't want to leave them in combat too long. They're almost a warhounds/cavalry hybrid.

Captain_Rex#1635

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

Not a big fan of Dog or wolf units... they are always so useless.

Good thing there is something that's called "balance".

Ca has to balance White Lion Packs first, they are trash and even lose against archers... most redundant unit ever.

What lion packs trash ? I beg your pardon ?

Umm yes? Have you used them? I mean the Pack not the Chariot

I've used them plenty of times and it's a great unit.

I remember many threads and comments complaining that they are to bad. They should be a higher tier unit on the same level as Swordmasters. Right now they are slightly better Direwolfs...

They are far better than Direwolves.

Yes but still underwhelming and useless after turn 50.

Neodeinos#5871

ArneSo said:

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

Not a big fan of Dog or wolf units... they are always so useless.

Good thing there is something that's called "balance".

Ca has to balance White Lion Packs first, they are trash and even lose against archers... most redundant unit ever.

What lion packs trash ? I beg your pardon ?

Umm yes? Have you used them? I mean the Pack not the Chariot

I've used them plenty of times and it's a great unit.

I remember many threads and comments complaining that they are to bad. They should be a higher tier unit on the same level as Swordmasters. Right now they are slightly better Direwolfs...

They are far better than Direwolves.

Yes but still underwhelming and useless after turn 50.

Have you actually used them ?

Captain_Rex#1635

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

Not a big fan of Dog or wolf units... they are always so useless.

Good thing there is something that's called "balance".

Ca has to balance White Lion Packs first, they are trash and even lose against archers... most redundant unit ever.

What lion packs trash ? I beg your pardon ?

Umm yes? Have you used them? I mean the Pack not the Chariot

I've used them plenty of times and it's a great unit.

I remember many threads and comments complaining that they are to bad. They should be a higher tier unit on the same level as Swordmasters. Right now they are slightly better Direwolfs...

They are far better than Direwolves.

Yes but still underwhelming and useless after turn 50.

Have you actually used them ?

Yes and against Doomstacks they are useless. Its always better to directly go for the Chariot which makes the Pack redundant.

Sir_Godspeed#8395

Erathil said:

Wow... early Warhammer art was rubbish.

I'm kind of leery of giving elves more animal pack units. It was a bit of a stretch with War Lions of Chrace. I really don't think Dark Elves or Wood Elves should have troops in that particular niche.

It was a very different time. Very low budget, especially for marketing. No digital tools for art, either. You can see the same with D&D. Not to mention that these particular pictures were meant to be fairly faithful to the models, instead of very different idealizations, and the old models were definitely squat because the cast technology was a lot more primitive back then.

WhySoSalty#3990

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

Not a big fan of Dog or wolf units... they are always so useless.

Good thing there is something that's called "balance".

something CA seems to struggle with tho

saweendra#3399

ArneSo said:

neodeinos said:

ArneSo said:

Not a big fan of Dog or wolf units... they are always so useless.

Good thing there is something that's called "balance".

Ca has to balance White Lion Packs first, they are trash and even lose against archers... most redundant unit ever.

this what happens when there is too much buff stacking and relying on that instead of actual skill. using any hound require considerble amount of skill that include war lions, wanna use them then use them as mobile ap support for HE cav,

first charge your cav into armoured target then charge lions, they have good synergy here i post this vedio just for you to learn how to use them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmG23NQ7GaI

HeresyHound

ArneSo said:

Not a big fan of Dog or wolf units... they are always so useless.

Well I question how you are using them if you think they are useless

Draculasaurus

FungusHound said:

ArneSo said:

Not a big fan of Dog or wolf units... they are always so useless.

Well I question how you are using them if you think they are useless

Seriously, I get 100+ kills on most hound units on any battle they're in. If you get them into the enemy archers or send them after routing infantry, they will win the battle for you.

HeresyHound

Draculasaurus said:

FungusHound said:

ArneSo said:

Not a big fan of Dog or wolf units... they are always so useless.

Well I question how you are using them if you think they are useless

Seriously, I get 100+ kills on most hound units on any battle they're in. If you get them into the enemy archers or send them after routing infantry, they will win the battle for you.

The cost to kill ratio for hounds can't be beat. Even if the enemy doesn't have archers or artillery they obliterate any units that route. At the very least the AI has a habit of devoting quite a few units just to chase them.

The Cold One War/Beast Hounds sound like they would be a decent unit to throw into a DE LP.

Captain_Rex#1635

FungusHound said:

ArneSo said:

Not a big fan of Dog or wolf units... they are always so useless.

Well I question how you are using them if you think they are useless

In my opinion it’s always better to just use a cavalry unit instead for more flexibility. Since unit spots are so limited and the AI is only using elites, such niche midtier units are getting redundant pretty quickly... that’s not a problem of the unit, it’s a general problem of the game.

Dire Wolfs for example are okay in the first 20 turns, but as soon as the empire spams Greatsword, Demigryph, Reiksguard Doomstacks around turn 40, they are worthless. So the time frame where such units are useful is so incredibly small that it’s always better to directly wait for the better unit.

In case of the white lions, why using the Pack when you can have the better chariot 10 turns later?

Again, it’s a general problem of the game that units are getting available way to fast.

Really hope CA will fix that in WH3 because right now, 50% of the unit roster is obsolete thanks to Doomstacking.

ruben_jorkon#1979

Realistically the next DLC is skaven

Draculasaurus

FungusHound said:

Draculasaurus said:

FungusHound said:

ArneSo said:

Not a big fan of Dog or wolf units... they are always so useless.

Well I question how you are using them if you think they are useless

Seriously, I get 100+ kills on most hound units on any battle they're in. If you get them into the enemy archers or send them after routing infantry, they will win the battle for you.

The cost to kill ratio for hounds can't be beat. Even if the enemy doesn't have archers or artillery they obliterate any units that route. At the very least the AI has a habit of devoting quite a few units just to chase them.

The Cold One War/Beast Hounds sound like they would be a decent unit to throw into a DE LP.

Personally digging the name "Murder Hounds," especially with the added suggestion that they are in some way magical.