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  • EmrysorEmrysor Registered Users Posts: 510

    As long as it's not a Kaiju I'm okay with that. Giant sized, not Stone Idol or Dread Saurian sized.

    Though of all 4 TWW2 races DE have the worst claim to another LP.

    skaven and high elves have far worse claims in deserving it, skaven have gotten by far the best post launch support, high elves have one interesting unit to add, and even then th we y have just gotten support, lizardmen are not likely to get it, but they definitely are up there in content, because they have the most actual interesting stuff left
    Skaven have not one but two TT lords left. They have TT units left. They have a theme left.

    High Elves have a unit left, and a lord left. Also a better theme than anything the DE have.

    The DE could absolutely make a LP, but they have no units left, no TT lords left, and would need to scrounge a theme and units up from the bottom of the barrel.
    a them doesn't matter when it isn't interesting, I could work out a peasant themed DLC for the empire because they have poor people, doesn't mean it would be good
    I think its pretty obvious to everyone that a clan moulder DLC is highly in demand, its the ast great clan responsible for most of the missing units from the skaven roster, and they could have a really fun campaign. Whether in this upcoming dlc or another one. Its pretty clear that your issue with this it just comes down to you not liking the skaven.
    It is as interesting as adding a better and unique additional dragon to the high elves. With a cool faction mechanic and some supporting less important units. Point is Moulder will interesting to skaven fans, the same way last flc was to HE fans.
  • EmrysorEmrysor Registered Users Posts: 510

    LolTHELol said:

    LolTHELol said:

    LolTHELol said:

    LolTHELol said:

    LolTHELol said:

    I am so anti-Skaven at this point because of all Skaven fans constantly pushing that race I will most likely ignore this DLC if it is WE vs Skaven.

    And yeah sucks for BM or other DLC races but really fed up with all the Skaven love. They got the best mechanics by far, amazing unit roster and people still keep pushing them. It beyond selfish, it is non-sensical at this point.

    They have the best stuff remaining. They were also heavily hinted at being next.

    They have a TT lord, TT units, and a good theme remaining. DE don't have these things.
    Nope they do not. They got reskinned hydra, reskinned hounds, fatter rat that is a so-called lord and most likely will steal the dragon hunting and lab from other factions. So yeah, their next DLC could and should come in game 3 if it ever comes. They do not need anything more.

    BM needs love, Norsca needs love, Brettonnia needs love, Empire needs love, Vampires needs love, Dwarfs needs love, Hell even TK needs few more units before silly sci-fi rats.
    None of that changes the fact that Skaven have 2 TT lords to DEs 0. They have a theme left, two themes actually.

    While the DE could scrounge up a LP Skaven have room for two.
    Nope they cannot. What they have left is silly re-skins. They should not get a single LP before every other race is done. They should wait in their sewers where they belong for their turn.

    There are so many sources CA can use to make LP for any faction if they want to. First example is Norsca, second is Vampire Coast.
    They're reskins, if you define reskins as "multiple units with new models and animations".

    The topic is on the DE. If we compare what the Skaven have left to the DE Skaven very clearly have more. The Avatar of Khaine is a lore sentence.
    It is a lore sentence, then it can be included. It is in lore.

    The Avatar of Khaine can get some amazing new model and effects that would put any re-skins sci-fi rats can get to shame.
    If what Skaven have left is all reskins then logically the Avatar would be a reskin.
    Nope avatar is not a re-skin. But what rats have left are definitely re-skins. Very cheap and low-quality re-skin at that. Hydra with rat heads, dogs with rat heads. O my god, such original and unique units.
    Haha. If the Verminlord is a reskin this is a reskin.
    You're a lot more patient than I. I lost all faith in them being anything other than a troll when they said the Skaven only have reskins left, while the Dark Elves have unique stuff left.
    Your first instinct is to call people trolls who agrees with you, super mature mate.

    Probably gonna end with thread locked because you had to start bring insulting.
  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 32,370

    LolTHELol said:

    LolTHELol said:

    LolTHELol said:

    LolTHELol said:

    LolTHELol said:

    I am so anti-Skaven at this point because of all Skaven fans constantly pushing that race I will most likely ignore this DLC if it is WE vs Skaven.

    And yeah sucks for BM or other DLC races but really fed up with all the Skaven love. They got the best mechanics by far, amazing unit roster and people still keep pushing them. It beyond selfish, it is non-sensical at this point.

    They have the best stuff remaining. They were also heavily hinted at being next.

    They have a TT lord, TT units, and a good theme remaining. DE don't have these things.
    Nope they do not. They got reskinned hydra, reskinned hounds, fatter rat that is a so-called lord and most likely will steal the dragon hunting and lab from other factions. So yeah, their next DLC could and should come in game 3 if it ever comes. They do not need anything more.

    BM needs love, Norsca needs love, Brettonnia needs love, Empire needs love, Vampires needs love, Dwarfs needs love, Hell even TK needs few more units before silly sci-fi rats.
    None of that changes the fact that Skaven have 2 TT lords to DEs 0. They have a theme left, two themes actually.

    While the DE could scrounge up a LP Skaven have room for two.
    Nope they cannot. What they have left is silly re-skins. They should not get a single LP before every other race is done. They should wait in their sewers where they belong for their turn.

    There are so many sources CA can use to make LP for any faction if they want to. First example is Norsca, second is Vampire Coast.
    They're reskins, if you define reskins as "multiple units with new models and animations".

    The topic is on the DE. If we compare what the Skaven have left to the DE Skaven very clearly have more. The Avatar of Khaine is a lore sentence.
    It is a lore sentence, then it can be included. It is in lore.

    The Avatar of Khaine can get some amazing new model and effects that would put any re-skins sci-fi rats can get to shame.
    If what Skaven have left is all reskins then logically the Avatar would be a reskin.
    Nope avatar is not a re-skin. But what rats have left are definitely re-skins. Very cheap and low-quality re-skin at that. Hydra with rat heads, dogs with rat heads. O my god, such original and unique units.
    Haha. If the Verminlord is a reskin this is a reskin.
    You're a lot more patient than I. I lost all faith in them being anything other than a troll when they said the Skaven only have reskins left, while the Dark Elves have unique stuff left.
    I woke up at 3:30 am this morning with a migraine and spent the next 8 of the next 10 or so hours mostly awake in bed. Got to fight the boredom somehow.
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  • _Mad_D0c__Mad_D0c_ Registered Users Posts: 1,511
    LolTHELol said:

    LolTHELol said:

    I am so anti-Skaven at this point because of all Skaven fans constantly pushing that race I will most likely ignore this DLC if it is WE vs Skaven.

    And yeah sucks for BM or other DLC races but really fed up with all the Skaven love. They got the best mechanics by far, amazing unit roster and people still keep pushing them. It beyond selfish, it is non-sensical at this point.

    They have the best stuff remaining. They were also heavily hinted at being next.

    They have a TT lord, TT units, and a good theme remaining. DE don't have these things.
    BM needs love, Norsca needs love, Brettonnia needs love, Empire needs love, Vampires needs love, Dwarfs needs love, Hell even TK needs few more units before silly sci-fi rats.
    Thats true, they need it more than any game 2 core. But CA decide to feature again a game 2 core race vs the first DLC race in a LP and it is a less popular game 1 DLC race (les popular compared to WoC).
    Sothat CA will test their new experiment rivaled with a game 2 core is safe and comprehensible.

  • _Mad_D0c__Mad_D0c_ Registered Users Posts: 1,511
    And Throts model is, if they animate his 3rd arm proper, the most complex foot LL model of all game 2 races. New skeleton and animation needed.

    Only chaos mutants could reuse his skeleton and animation in the future. Modders will definetly do it.

    And if they animate a third arm its a testing ground, a 4armed models are the next step. So we can see proper Keeper of secrests, ghorghon and other chaos mutants.

    Dont underestimate the effort and impact of a moulder LP.
    Yrs throt will most likely be the most complex model.
    Rat hydra btw is much more unlikely than brood horror or even the burrowing behemoth.
  • CrossilCrossil Registered Users Posts: 14,239
    edited September 2020
    _Mad_D0c_ said:

    And Throts model is, if they animate his 3rd arm proper, the most complex foot LL model of all game 2 races. New skeleton and animation needed.

    Grom is more complex as he has a unique chariot, unique model for himself and unique animations that incorporate him, his chariot and Niblit into one.

    So no, not even close.

    UNLEASH THE EVERCHARIOT

  • _Mad_D0c__Mad_D0c_ Registered Users Posts: 1,511
    Crossil said:

    _Mad_D0c_ said:

    And Throts model is, if they animate his 3rd arm proper, the most complex foot LL model of all game 2 races. New skeleton and animation needed.

    Grom is more complex as he has a unique chariot, unique model for himself and unique animations that incorporate him, his chariot and Niblit into one.

    So no, not even close.
    Read again I said foot LL, so if he rides a brood horror his 3rd arm would require more animation above the brood horror unit and or mount for "normal" skaven.
  • CrossilCrossil Registered Users Posts: 14,239
    edited September 2020
    _Mad_D0c_ said:

    Crossil said:

    _Mad_D0c_ said:

    And Throts model is, if they animate his 3rd arm proper, the most complex foot LL model of all game 2 races. New skeleton and animation needed.

    Grom is more complex as he has a unique chariot, unique model for himself and unique animations that incorporate him, his chariot and Niblit into one.

    So no, not even close.
    Read again I said foot LL, so if he rides a brood horror his 3rd arm would require more animation above the brood horror unit and or mount for "normal" skaven.
    Not really. Most foot lords on massive mounts have passive animations. Look at Wulfrik, Noctilus, etc. Such an animation would be irrelevantly simple. Besides, the entire point is about how much an LL would cost animations wise and Throt would not cost any more overall than what Grom costed as Grom's animations are made extremely complex due to being composed of several different entities. And that's begging the question if Throt even will get a mount.

    As for further discussion on foot lords, both Durthu and Orion are more demanding as they have no comparable archetype and are overall larger. Durthu would presumably use Treemen animations but the sword requires different weapon usage and animation. Orion doesn't compare to any other character as well as none of them use a javelin while also being a massive satyr of sorts.

    Either way, costs of an LL are not that much relevant in this case. Grom came in as probably one of the most expensive LLs to make and he still carried in quite a number of special units with him. Snikch also would've been demanding as there is no other Skaven that has a weapon held by its tail so we already have an LL comparable to that. Triple sword infantry really only applies to Snikch.

    In addition, both Sisters of Twilight and Ariel would also probably be demanding for different reasons. Ariel does not have a comparable model herself and Sisters are supposed to work as a single unit, presumably, so they would probably require specific animations that have both of them animated, something not really comparable to anything. In addition, their abilities are different and CA stated that the main reason why they haven't done them in the past is because the coding for the two of them would be too demanding. If they're adding either of the two LL options for WE then one LL will already cut into the budget as a start. So if you really wanna talk about costs consider that the two most demanded WE LLs both would be demanding.

    UNLEASH THE EVERCHARIOT

  • DwarfSizedBeardDwarfSizedBeard Registered Users Posts: 936
    _Mad_D0c_ said:

    Crossil said:

    _Mad_D0c_ said:

    And Throts model is, if they animate his 3rd arm proper, the most complex foot LL model of all game 2 races. New skeleton and animation needed.

    Grom is more complex as he has a unique chariot, unique model for himself and unique animations that incorporate him, his chariot and Niblit into one.

    So no, not even close.
    Read again I said foot LL, so if he rides a brood horror his 3rd arm would require more animation above the brood horror unit and or mount for "normal" skaven.
    you can't call him a foot lord while talking about his mount
  • _Mad_D0c__Mad_D0c_ Registered Users Posts: 1,511

    _Mad_D0c_ said:

    Crossil said:

    _Mad_D0c_ said:

    And Throts model is, if they animate his 3rd arm proper, the most complex foot LL model of all game 2 races. New skeleton and animation needed.

    Grom is more complex as he has a unique chariot, unique model for himself and unique animations that incorporate him, his chariot and Niblit into one.

    So no, not even close.
    Read again I said foot LL, so if he rides a brood horror his 3rd arm would require more animation above the brood horror unit and or mount for "normal" skaven.
    you can't call him a foot lord while talking about his mount
    I meabt if he gets a mount he could get additional animation on top of his foot model, he even has one compared to Grom.
  • TimpeyoTimpeyo Registered Users Posts: 1,933
    edited September 2020
    I'd quite like it if Throt had a unique mount, some creation that looks very different to any other that perhaps you have to create before you can use, maybe something that fly's or with a much more leathel attack. A mishmash off stitched together creatures.




  • UberReptilianUberReptilian The Crystal LabyrinthRegistered Users Posts: 5,488
    As a Throt advocate I'm absolutely on team no mount. I hate all these unloreful mounts were getting and giving Throt a Brood Horror for example defeats the purpose of his character. He's an anti-large monster killer, giving him a mount would mean he would focus on infantry, but we already have that in other Skaven LLs. Unless we made that mount also anti-large but then what would be the point of adding it? Skaven already have an anti-large Monster in the Hell-Pit Abomination and that would be a really awkward mount. This would naturally lead down the slippery slope as we've seen with Teclis getting a stupid mount that throws all his character traits out the window, so I'd fully expect Skrolk getting a Plague Furnace and Queek getting a Bonebreaker mount. This mount obsession CA has really needs to stop and I really hope if we do see Throt they don't force him to have a mount.

    I'll get off my soapbox now lmao.
  • CaffynatedCaffynated Member Registered Users Posts: 1,402
    Crossil said:

    Bies said:




    I'm ok with a War Titan of Khaine, but Avatar of Khaine is a completely different thing in Warhammer Fantasy. It's not like 40k where Khaine is fragmented. There's only 1 Avatar and he is war incarnate able to take on multiple great daemons at once and emerge victorious.
    Funnily enough there's also an Avatar of Khaine in AoS with yet another completely different reasoning.
    Khaine is dead in AoS. Morathi stole his power and wears his skin like an Edgar suit. She uses his iconography to keep Khainites loyal to her.

  • DwarfSizedBeardDwarfSizedBeard Registered Users Posts: 936
    _Mad_D0c_ said:

    _Mad_D0c_ said:

    Crossil said:

    _Mad_D0c_ said:

    And Throts model is, if they animate his 3rd arm proper, the most complex foot LL model of all game 2 races. New skeleton and animation needed.

    Grom is more complex as he has a unique chariot, unique model for himself and unique animations that incorporate him, his chariot and Niblit into one.

    So no, not even close.
    Read again I said foot LL, so if he rides a brood horror his 3rd arm would require more animation above the brood horror unit and or mount for "normal" skaven.
    you can't call him a foot lord while talking about his mount
    I meabt if he gets a mount he could get additional animation on top of his foot model, he even has one compared to Grom.
    having a foot model is different then being a foot LL because foot LL don't have mounts at all, and beyond that he doesn't need special animations for his mount because pretty much all mounts except horses are where the attack animation is, they will probably just have him constantly feeding himself with his 3rd arm
  • MrDragonMrDragon Registered Users Posts: 3,184

    Crossil said:

    Bies said:




    I'm ok with a War Titan of Khaine, but Avatar of Khaine is a completely different thing in Warhammer Fantasy. It's not like 40k where Khaine is fragmented. There's only 1 Avatar and he is war incarnate able to take on multiple great daemons at once and emerge victorious.
    Funnily enough there's also an Avatar of Khaine in AoS with yet another completely different reasoning.
    Khaine is dead in AoS. Morathi stole his power and wears his skin like an Edgar suit. She uses his iconography to keep Khainites loyal to her.

    Huh... one of the few times I might actually like a major status-quo change of AoS.
    Khaine is not exactly a compelling entity while I find Morathi's scheming endlessly entertaining. I also kinda dig the winged lamia look she's sporting in AoS. Seems like a cool mini to paint.
  • CrossilCrossil Registered Users Posts: 14,239
    edited September 2020

    Crossil said:

    Bies said:




    I'm ok with a War Titan of Khaine, but Avatar of Khaine is a completely different thing in Warhammer Fantasy. It's not like 40k where Khaine is fragmented. There's only 1 Avatar and he is war incarnate able to take on multiple great daemons at once and emerge victorious.
    Funnily enough there's also an Avatar of Khaine in AoS with yet another completely different reasoning.
    Khaine is dead in AoS. Morathi stole his power and wears his skin like an Edgar suit. She uses his iconography to keep Khainites loyal to her.

    Yeah, but he isn't dead in 40k. In 40k he's torn into several fragments that are each lodged into a Craftworld wherein they can be used to create an Avatar of Khaine by sacrificing that Craftworld's chosen champion. In AoS it's just a statue powered by Khainite prayers. These are two different reasonings for them yet they are both Avatars of Khaine.

    Either way, it's just a naming convention. What exactly are you trying to argue?

    UNLEASH THE EVERCHARIOT

  • CaffynatedCaffynated Member Registered Users Posts: 1,402
    Crossil said:

    Crossil said:

    Bies said:




    I'm ok with a War Titan of Khaine, but Avatar of Khaine is a completely different thing in Warhammer Fantasy. It's not like 40k where Khaine is fragmented. There's only 1 Avatar and he is war incarnate able to take on multiple great daemons at once and emerge victorious.
    Funnily enough there's also an Avatar of Khaine in AoS with yet another completely different reasoning.
    Khaine is dead in AoS. Morathi stole his power and wears his skin like an Edgar suit. She uses his iconography to keep Khainites loyal to her.

    Yeah, but he isn't dead in 40k. In 40k he's torn into several fragments that are each lodged into a Craftworld wherein they can be used to create an Avatar of Khaine by sacrificing that Craftworld's chosen champion. In AoS it's just a statue powered by Khainite prayers. These are two different reasonings for them yet they are both Avatars of Khaine.

    Either way, it's just a naming convention. What exactly are you trying to argue?
    That Avatar of Khaine in Warhammer Fantasy Battles has a specific meaning. Gods only have one Avatar at a time. An exceptional mortal who embodies that god's essence. An Avatar of a Warhammer Fantasy god isn't a fragment of the whole. It is the power of that god manifested into a mortal to carry out the god's will. It is that god in the flesh. When Tyrion dies in the End Times Khaine dies with him because they are wholly bound together.

    Only two mortals have ever been the Avatar of Khaine. Tyrion and Aenarion himself. Creating a monster unit that is called that cheapens it. It's fine in the AoS, because he's dead and Morathi may even be thumbing her nose at Khaine by doing so. But in WHFB nothing except Tyrion or Malekith with the Sword of Khaine should have that title.
  • CrossilCrossil Registered Users Posts: 14,239

    Crossil said:

    Crossil said:

    Bies said:




    I'm ok with a War Titan of Khaine, but Avatar of Khaine is a completely different thing in Warhammer Fantasy. It's not like 40k where Khaine is fragmented. There's only 1 Avatar and he is war incarnate able to take on multiple great daemons at once and emerge victorious.
    Funnily enough there's also an Avatar of Khaine in AoS with yet another completely different reasoning.
    Khaine is dead in AoS. Morathi stole his power and wears his skin like an Edgar suit. She uses his iconography to keep Khainites loyal to her.

    Yeah, but he isn't dead in 40k. In 40k he's torn into several fragments that are each lodged into a Craftworld wherein they can be used to create an Avatar of Khaine by sacrificing that Craftworld's chosen champion. In AoS it's just a statue powered by Khainite prayers. These are two different reasonings for them yet they are both Avatars of Khaine.

    Either way, it's just a naming convention. What exactly are you trying to argue?
    That Avatar of Khaine in Warhammer Fantasy Battles has a specific meaning. Gods only have one Avatar at a time. An exceptional mortal who embodies that god's essence. An Avatar of a Warhammer Fantasy god isn't a fragment of the whole. It is the power of that god manifested into a mortal to carry out the god's will. It is that god in the flesh. When Tyrion dies in the End Times Khaine dies with him because they are wholly bound together.

    Only two mortals have ever been the Avatar of Khaine. Tyrion and Aenarion himself. Creating a monster unit that is called that cheapens it. It's fine in the AoS, because he's dead and Morathi may even be thumbing her nose at Khaine by doing so. But in WHFB nothing except Tyrion or Malekith with the Sword of Khaine should have that title.
    So why are you arguing that? I literally pointed out that this is simply a terminological statement that is defaulted to because GW tends towards using it as such and we, here, are simply terming them as there is no actual term for it. I wouldn't really put it past CA to name them Avatars of Khaine anway, really, as it is thrown around anyway in other GW products as such. Yeah, a physical embodiment of a god is what an avatar is but that's what these statues are described as, a physical embodiment of a god.

    I mean, we're not saying over here what the actual term for such a unit should be but these are technically and in line with GW terminology, avatars of Khaine, even if such a term is used for specific individuals. Malekith claims he's the avatar of Khaine while Tullaris is his factual herald. Similar situation comes with Ariel and Alarielle, wherein they're both embodiments of Isha in some way. Still, it's just a rhetorical term, not necessarily some grand statement about what these are.

    UNLEASH THE EVERCHARIOT

  • Aman3712Aman3712 Registered Users Posts: 661
    edited September 2020
    Honestly, in terms of potential new units for the Dark Elves if they ever received a new lord pack, a War Statue of Khaine would be easily at the top of my list; an iron construct the size of a giant who could serve as the DE's centerpiece unit. In terms of other potential units, I'd say Hag Queens as lord choices, Disciples of Khaine as hero choices, and for other units, Slave Warriors, Ossian Guard (Executioners with great axes), and Basilisks.
  • DraculasaurusDraculasaurus Registered Users Posts: 4,771
    I think if we get slave warriors CA will do what they did with Silverin Guard and use an End Times RoR to create a unit, in this case the Aeskhaine:



    The power of Khaine sits poorly upon the weak-willed, driving them into a self-consuming madness from which there is no escape. By the time Tyrion’s host reached the Isle of the Dead, more than half of his army had succumbed to this state. These aeskhaine were completely without fear, but seldom fought with the skills they once possessed, instead tearing at their foes with fingers and teeth in their desperation to feel blood flowing across their skin. If Tyrion triumphed at the Isle of the Dead, all elves would one day become aeskhaine.


    I know they're from events later in the End Times, but they fit well with the mention of drugged slave warriors from the 8th Edition. Just some High Elf slaves hopped up on Khaine blood and used as unbreakable cannon fodder.
  • RomeoRejectRomeoReject Registered Users Posts: 1,865
    LolTHELol said:

    LolTHELol said:

    LolTHELol said:

    LolTHELol said:

    LolTHELol said:

    LolTHELol said:

    I am so anti-Skaven at this point because of all Skaven fans constantly pushing that race I will most likely ignore this DLC if it is WE vs Skaven.

    And yeah sucks for BM or other DLC races but really fed up with all the Skaven love. They got the best mechanics by far, amazing unit roster and people still keep pushing them. It beyond selfish, it is non-sensical at this point.

    They have the best stuff remaining. They were also heavily hinted at being next.

    They have a TT lord, TT units, and a good theme remaining. DE don't have these things.
    Nope they do not. They got reskinned hydra, reskinned hounds, fatter rat that is a so-called lord and most likely will steal the dragon hunting and lab from other factions. So yeah, their next DLC could and should come in game 3 if it ever comes. They do not need anything more.

    BM needs love, Norsca needs love, Brettonnia needs love, Empire needs love, Vampires needs love, Dwarfs needs love, Hell even TK needs few more units before silly sci-fi rats.
    None of that changes the fact that Skaven have 2 TT lords to DEs 0. They have a theme left, two themes actually.

    While the DE could scrounge up a LP Skaven have room for two.
    Nope they cannot. What they have left is silly re-skins. They should not get a single LP before every other race is done. They should wait in their sewers where they belong for their turn.

    There are so many sources CA can use to make LP for any faction if they want to. First example is Norsca, second is Vampire Coast.
    They're reskins, if you define reskins as "multiple units with new models and animations".

    The topic is on the DE. If we compare what the Skaven have left to the DE Skaven very clearly have more. The Avatar of Khaine is a lore sentence.
    It is a lore sentence, then it can be included. It is in lore.

    The Avatar of Khaine can get some amazing new model and effects that would put any re-skins sci-fi rats can get to shame.
    If what Skaven have left is all reskins then logically the Avatar would be a reskin.
    Nope avatar is not a re-skin. But what rats have left are definitely re-skins. Very cheap and low-quality re-skin at that. Hydra with rat heads, dogs with rat heads. O my god, such original and unique units.
    Haha. If the Verminlord is a reskin this is a reskin.
    You're a lot more patient than I. I lost all faith in them being anything other than a troll when they said the Skaven only have reskins left, while the Dark Elves have unique stuff left.
    Wow, such a nice argument. Accusing of someone being a troll, when clearly sewer rats have only re-skins left.

    Please tell me which part of rat faced hydra and dogs is an unique model. Anyway, did not expect more from a rabid skaven fan boy.

    Sci-fi rats do not deserve anything more, and any DLC with rats will be completely ignore by me.
    Brood Horrors, Verminlords, Stormvermin and Flayerkin, right off the top of my head.

    But you're right, the Dark Elves would be the only group to add something brand new, like a living statue (Apart from Tomb Kings having the exact same thing, bipedal constructs being incredibly common, and in the lore, Kemmler has living statues, and the Wickermen from the Hedge Wizards/Vampire Counts being the same deal). And of course, more elves as infantry. But you're right, it's totally different when the Dark Elves do it. Not a reskin at all, no sir.
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