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  • ShiroAmakusa75ShiroAmakusa75 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 33,900

    neodeinos said:

    Eh, WE vs DE would be a very cool theme and I'd actually prefer to see that even if Moulder is the faction I want the most right now.

    There's no theme between WE and DE and both don't even have anything left unit-wise. There's already enough barrel-scraping for the WE, no need to do so for the DE as well.
    Ariel and Morathi have a lot of history together in lore. WE vs DE would be more thematic. I'm not even sure if the WE ever encounter Skaven once in the lore. Beastmen would have been the MOST thematic mode and BM also need the new units and overhaul more than even WE's do.
    There's a little snag here in that Morathi is already in the game, so that's already a non-factor. And BM will not be part of the LP because it's core WH2 races only, so that's also of no relevance. And let's not forget that the entire mini-campaign in WH1 was WE vs BM, even netting BM a free lord and the harpies.

    Skaven don't need any excuse to have quarrel with anyone and generating a conflict betweem WE and Skaven is easier than with any other faction that's left. They are also closer to AL than any other faction.
  • CrossilCrossil Registered Users Posts: 13,091
    edited November 2020

    neodeinos said:

    Eh, WE vs DE would be a very cool theme and I'd actually prefer to see that even if Moulder is the faction I want the most right now.

    There's no theme between WE and DE and both don't even have anything left unit-wise. There's already enough barrel-scraping for the WE, no need to do so for the DE as well.
    Ariel and Morathi have a lot of history together in lore. WE vs DE would be more thematic. I'm not even sure if the WE ever encounter Skaven once in the lore. Beastmen would have been the MOST thematic mode and BM also need the new units and overhaul more than even WE's do.
    There's a little snag here in that Morathi is already in the game, so that's already a non-factor. And BM will not be part of the LP because it's core WH2 races only, so that's also of no relevance. And let's not forget that the entire mini-campaign in WH1 was WE vs BM, even netting BM a free lord and the harpies.

    Skaven don't need any excuse to have quarrel with anyone and generating a conflict betweem WE and Skaven is easier than with any other faction that's left. They are also closer to AL than any other faction.
    And so what? That entire conflict gives WE more than enough reason to hate the Dark Elves. The same line of logic lead to Skaven vs Lizardmen despite of the fact that Skrolk is already in the game. That was not a snag in the match up. And, of course, WE actually fought DE after that point as well, mostly in assistance to the High Elves, so they do have a reason to actually go and fight on the Vortex map on Ulthuan, for instance.

    You see, that line of logic always bothers me, "Skaven don't need a reason to fight" well, technically, Warhammer is written so that no race needs a reason to fight, they always have a reason to fight, but that doesn't mean whether that reason is a good one.

    And Skaven don't have a good reason. They don't even interact with Wood Elves in their own armybook(7th edition, because someone will point they don't have an 8th edition one).

    And the comment about BM, is that they will get a lord pack after this anyway. So it's to be expected that Skaven can be matched up later.

    UNLEASH THE EVERCHARIOT

  • TimpeyoTimpeyo Registered Users Posts: 1,883
    SK are an obvious choice but I wouldn't say they have major units to add, the only ones from the army books are giant rats and upgraded rat ogres, everything else is taken from other sources or very old lore I think the main reason ppl see them as the rival is they are missing a leader for moulder.

    Pretty much any off the races could be the rival but speculating that each main race will end with six LLs for game three SK and DEs are the only ones to reach that number.

    also seeing as WEs seem to be getting a LP with no units left in their army book roster exsept hero's I think anything is possible and likely including DE being the rival, starting positions on the map can be anywhere as previous LLs starting locations have shown.

    I'd be happy with ether SK or DE and think both stand a decent chance
  • ZekerathZekerath Registered Users Posts: 662

    Daruwind said:

    You are right but...

    LM
    -LL:Oxyotl, Tetto´eko (my pick), Chakax (but that´s way similar to other Saurus)
    -Slann Mage-Priest (Beasts, Metal, Shadows, Death)
    -Troglodon (mount)
    -(Thunder Lizard....if dwarfs can dream about Thunderbarge :D)

    HE
    -LL: Aislinn, (Finubar -my pick)
    -LH: Korhil
    -Anointed
    -Skycutter
    -Merwyrm (if LM can get Thunder Lizard :D )

    tl dr;
    -fully agree both LM/HE should not get LP in Wh2, but both have potential for one more LP in game three.
    -agree that DE have characters but lacking other stuff -> FLC LL
    -Skaven should get spot now with Throt /Moulder and Thanquol is safely game three :)

    As I said in my OP, those units wouldn't majorly change the gameplay of those factions. HE are already unchallengeable in the air (and adding airborne artillery would only make them even more broken OP than they already are) and LM have already the biggest of the dinos and it didn't make a difference so more big dinos wouldn't do so either.
    There is a conversation that could be had about whether or not should new units change the gameplay of the faction in major ways. Treeman artillery would bring change to wood elf roster, but that is also why it is rather controversial. Some probably prefer more of the same rather than big changes.
  • ShiroAmakusa75ShiroAmakusa75 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 33,900
    edited November 2020
    Crossil said:

    neodeinos said:

    Eh, WE vs DE would be a very cool theme and I'd actually prefer to see that even if Moulder is the faction I want the most right now.

    There's no theme between WE and DE and both don't even have anything left unit-wise. There's already enough barrel-scraping for the WE, no need to do so for the DE as well.
    Ariel and Morathi have a lot of history together in lore. WE vs DE would be more thematic. I'm not even sure if the WE ever encounter Skaven once in the lore. Beastmen would have been the MOST thematic mode and BM also need the new units and overhaul more than even WE's do.
    There's a little snag here in that Morathi is already in the game, so that's already a non-factor. And BM will not be part of the LP because it's core WH2 races only, so that's also of no relevance. And let's not forget that the entire mini-campaign in WH1 was WE vs BM, even netting BM a free lord and the harpies.

    Skaven don't need any excuse to have quarrel with anyone and generating a conflict betweem WE and Skaven is easier than with any other faction that's left. They are also closer to AL than any other faction.
    And so what? That entire conflict gives WE as a reason more than enough reason to hate the Dark Elves. The same line of logic lead to Skaven vs Lizardmen despite of the fact that Skrolk is already in the game. That was not a snag in the match up. And, of course, WE actually fought DE after that point as well, mostly in assistance to the High Elves.

    You see, that line of logic always bothers me, "Skaven don't need a reason to fight" well, technically, Warhammer is written so that no race needs a reason to fight, they always have a reason to fight, but that doesn't mean whether that reason is a good one.

    And Skaven don't have a good reason. They don't even interact with Wood Elves in their own armybook(7th edition, because someone will point they don't have an 8th edition one).
    WE are mentioned thirce in the DE armybook.

    Once to say that DE don't like the WE because they're keeping themselves aloof from the whole civil war.
    Two is the whole business with Malekith's wife who was murdered by a HE army while on route to Naggaroth from Athel Loren through a scheme by Morathi.
    Three is when Malekith is looking for allies and the WE, predictably, decline to join him and he lets the issue slide because he didn't expect anything of them anyway (see point one).

    Yeah, sorry, as far as the lore is concerned, DE have no actual reason to treat with the WE in any major conflict.

    Skaven have always a good reason to quarrel with anyone: they're evil little creeps bent on world conquest. They're a perversion of nature, so WE would also have a reason to go after them.
  • XxXScorpionXxXXxXScorpionXxX Registered Users Posts: 3,867

    neodeinos said:

    Eh, WE vs DE would be a very cool theme and I'd actually prefer to see that even if Moulder is the faction I want the most right now.

    There's no theme between WE and DE and both don't even have anything left unit-wise. There's already enough barrel-scraping for the WE, no need to do so for the DE as well.
    Ariel and Morathi have a lot of history together in lore. WE vs DE would be more thematic. I'm not even sure if the WE ever encounter Skaven once in the lore. Beastmen would have been the MOST thematic mode and BM also need the new units and overhaul more than even WE's do.
    There's a little snag here in that Morathi is already in the game, so that's already a non-factor. And BM will not be part of the LP because it's core WH2 races only, so that's also of no relevance. And let's not forget that the entire mini-campaign in WH1 was WE vs BM, even netting BM a free lord and the harpies.

    Skaven don't need any excuse to have quarrel with anyone and generating a conflict betweem WE and Skaven is easier than with any other faction that's left. They are also closer to AL than any other faction.
    And Ariel hasn't been confirmed the lead character in the lord pack. Whats your point? You could easily come up with a Shadow Blade vs Sisters of Twilight campaign in which both are agents working through Morathi/Ariel and make Ariel a FLC lord.

    Sorry but I don't mind "barrel scraping" I never even played the TT so its all equally new to me.
    Request scorched body textures, poisoned dying animations for infantry's skeletons, a blood slider that allows us to control how much blood appears in battle and make proper death animations for all ethereal units so they vanish for Blood for the Blood God 3.
  • CrossilCrossil Registered Users Posts: 13,091
    edited November 2020

    Crossil said:

    neodeinos said:

    Eh, WE vs DE would be a very cool theme and I'd actually prefer to see that even if Moulder is the faction I want the most right now.

    There's no theme between WE and DE and both don't even have anything left unit-wise. There's already enough barrel-scraping for the WE, no need to do so for the DE as well.
    Ariel and Morathi have a lot of history together in lore. WE vs DE would be more thematic. I'm not even sure if the WE ever encounter Skaven once in the lore. Beastmen would have been the MOST thematic mode and BM also need the new units and overhaul more than even WE's do.
    There's a little snag here in that Morathi is already in the game, so that's already a non-factor. And BM will not be part of the LP because it's core WH2 races only, so that's also of no relevance. And let's not forget that the entire mini-campaign in WH1 was WE vs BM, even netting BM a free lord and the harpies.

    Skaven don't need any excuse to have quarrel with anyone and generating a conflict betweem WE and Skaven is easier than with any other faction that's left. They are also closer to AL than any other faction.
    And so what? That entire conflict gives WE as a reason more than enough reason to hate the Dark Elves. The same line of logic lead to Skaven vs Lizardmen despite of the fact that Skrolk is already in the game. That was not a snag in the match up. And, of course, WE actually fought DE after that point as well, mostly in assistance to the High Elves.

    You see, that line of logic always bothers me, "Skaven don't need a reason to fight" well, technically, Warhammer is written so that no race needs a reason to fight, they always have a reason to fight, but that doesn't mean whether that reason is a good one.

    And Skaven don't have a good reason. They don't even interact with Wood Elves in their own armybook(7th edition, because someone will point they don't have an 8th edition one).
    WE are mentioned thirce in the DE armybook.

    Once to say that DE don't like the WE because they're keeping themselves aloof from the whole civil war.
    Two is the whole business with Malekith's wife who was murdered by a HE army through a scheme by Morathi.
    Three is when Malekith is looking for allies and the WE, predictably, decline to join him and he lets the issue slide because he didn't expect anything of them anyway (see point one).

    Yeah, sorry, as far as the lore is concerned, DE have no actual reason to treat with the WE in any major conflict.
    That's three more reasons for them than what Skaven have looking at their armybook.

    But if you wanted to know, that second point is also the source of Ariel's corruption, as Allisara, Malekith's wife, is also Ariel's sister. Now, the conflict isn't fully explored in DE armybook but if you meander a look into WE armybook you'll see the full extent of their meddling and the consequences WE suffered for it.

    And, again, it's not the DE going after WE, it's WE going after DE.

    Skaven have always a good reason to quarrel with anyone: they're evil little creeps bent on world conquest. They're a perversion of nature, so WE would also have a reason to go after them.

    Sure, find me a lore passage that actually states how they are bound in any sort of conflict and I'll believe you. Because, as things stand, WE have an outside connection only to the Dark Elves.

    UNLEASH THE EVERCHARIOT

  • ShiroAmakusa75ShiroAmakusa75 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 33,900

    neodeinos said:

    Eh, WE vs DE would be a very cool theme and I'd actually prefer to see that even if Moulder is the faction I want the most right now.

    There's no theme between WE and DE and both don't even have anything left unit-wise. There's already enough barrel-scraping for the WE, no need to do so for the DE as well.
    Ariel and Morathi have a lot of history together in lore. WE vs DE would be more thematic. I'm not even sure if the WE ever encounter Skaven once in the lore. Beastmen would have been the MOST thematic mode and BM also need the new units and overhaul more than even WE's do.
    There's a little snag here in that Morathi is already in the game, so that's already a non-factor. And BM will not be part of the LP because it's core WH2 races only, so that's also of no relevance. And let's not forget that the entire mini-campaign in WH1 was WE vs BM, even netting BM a free lord and the harpies.

    Skaven don't need any excuse to have quarrel with anyone and generating a conflict betweem WE and Skaven is easier than with any other faction that's left. They are also closer to AL than any other faction.
    And Ariel hasn't been confirmed the lead character in the lord pack. Whats your point? You could easily come up with a Shadow Blade vs Sisters of Twilight campaign in which both are agents working through Morathi/Ariel and make Ariel a FLC lord.

    Sorry but I don't mind "barrel scraping" I never even played the TT so its all equally new to me.
    Man, that's cute. You brought up Ariel's rivalry with Morathi as some sort of argument for DE and WE and as soon as it's debunked (predictably since even you should have remembered Morathi is already in the game) you wash your hands of it.
  • CrossilCrossil Registered Users Posts: 13,091
    edited November 2020

    neodeinos said:

    Eh, WE vs DE would be a very cool theme and I'd actually prefer to see that even if Moulder is the faction I want the most right now.

    There's no theme between WE and DE and both don't even have anything left unit-wise. There's already enough barrel-scraping for the WE, no need to do so for the DE as well.
    Ariel and Morathi have a lot of history together in lore. WE vs DE would be more thematic. I'm not even sure if the WE ever encounter Skaven once in the lore. Beastmen would have been the MOST thematic mode and BM also need the new units and overhaul more than even WE's do.
    There's a little snag here in that Morathi is already in the game, so that's already a non-factor. And BM will not be part of the LP because it's core WH2 races only, so that's also of no relevance. And let's not forget that the entire mini-campaign in WH1 was WE vs BM, even netting BM a free lord and the harpies.

    Skaven don't need any excuse to have quarrel with anyone and generating a conflict betweem WE and Skaven is easier than with any other faction that's left. They are also closer to AL than any other faction.
    And Ariel hasn't been confirmed the lead character in the lord pack. Whats your point? You could easily come up with a Shadow Blade vs Sisters of Twilight campaign in which both are agents working through Morathi/Ariel and make Ariel a FLC lord.

    Sorry but I don't mind "barrel scraping" I never even played the TT so its all equally new to me.
    Man, that's cute. You brought up Ariel's rivalry with Morathi as some sort of argument for DE and WE and as soon as it's debunked (predictably since even you should have remembered Morathi is already in the game) you wash your hands of it.
    And Skrolk was also in the game, so Tehenhauin was matched up with Ikit instead. No questions asked.

    Ariel's sister was killed by Morathi and she was corrupted by Morathi. And then the WE assisted HE against DE on several occasions. There is clear conflict to explore here.

    UNLEASH THE EVERCHARIOT

  • ShiroAmakusa75ShiroAmakusa75 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 33,900
    Crossil said:

    Crossil said:

    neodeinos said:

    Eh, WE vs DE would be a very cool theme and I'd actually prefer to see that even if Moulder is the faction I want the most right now.

    There's no theme between WE and DE and both don't even have anything left unit-wise. There's already enough barrel-scraping for the WE, no need to do so for the DE as well.
    Ariel and Morathi have a lot of history together in lore. WE vs DE would be more thematic. I'm not even sure if the WE ever encounter Skaven once in the lore. Beastmen would have been the MOST thematic mode and BM also need the new units and overhaul more than even WE's do.
    There's a little snag here in that Morathi is already in the game, so that's already a non-factor. And BM will not be part of the LP because it's core WH2 races only, so that's also of no relevance. And let's not forget that the entire mini-campaign in WH1 was WE vs BM, even netting BM a free lord and the harpies.

    Skaven don't need any excuse to have quarrel with anyone and generating a conflict betweem WE and Skaven is easier than with any other faction that's left. They are also closer to AL than any other faction.
    And so what? That entire conflict gives WE as a reason more than enough reason to hate the Dark Elves. The same line of logic lead to Skaven vs Lizardmen despite of the fact that Skrolk is already in the game. That was not a snag in the match up. And, of course, WE actually fought DE after that point as well, mostly in assistance to the High Elves.

    You see, that line of logic always bothers me, "Skaven don't need a reason to fight" well, technically, Warhammer is written so that no race needs a reason to fight, they always have a reason to fight, but that doesn't mean whether that reason is a good one.

    And Skaven don't have a good reason. They don't even interact with Wood Elves in their own armybook(7th edition, because someone will point they don't have an 8th edition one).
    WE are mentioned thirce in the DE armybook.

    Once to say that DE don't like the WE because they're keeping themselves aloof from the whole civil war.
    Two is the whole business with Malekith's wife who was murdered by a HE army through a scheme by Morathi.
    Three is when Malekith is looking for allies and the WE, predictably, decline to join him and he lets the issue slide because he didn't expect anything of them anyway (see point one).

    Yeah, sorry, as far as the lore is concerned, DE have no actual reason to treat with the WE in any major conflict.
    That's three more reasons for them than what Skaven have looking at their armybook.

    But if you wanted to know, that second point is also the source of Ariel's corruption, as Allisara, Malekith's wife, is also Ariel's sister. Now, the conflict isn't fully explored in DE armybook but if you meander a look into WE armybook you'll see the full extent of their meddling and the consequences WE suffered for it.

    And, again, it's not the DE going after WE, it's WE going after DE.

    Skaven have always a good reason to quarrel with anyone: they're evil little creeps bent on world conquest. They're a perversion of nature, so WE would also have a reason to go after them.

    Sure, find me a lore passage that actually states how they are bound in any sort of conflict and I'll believe you. Because, as things stand, WE have an outside connection only to the Dark Elves.
    Except none of those reasons justify conflict, they actually do the very opposite. Malekith was SEEKING AN ALLIANCE WITH THEM ****! That means creating conflict would actually be the very opposite of what Malekith would want. And the murder of his wife, that blame's pinned on the HE.
  • CrossilCrossil Registered Users Posts: 13,091

    Crossil said:

    Crossil said:

    neodeinos said:

    Eh, WE vs DE would be a very cool theme and I'd actually prefer to see that even if Moulder is the faction I want the most right now.

    There's no theme between WE and DE and both don't even have anything left unit-wise. There's already enough barrel-scraping for the WE, no need to do so for the DE as well.
    Ariel and Morathi have a lot of history together in lore. WE vs DE would be more thematic. I'm not even sure if the WE ever encounter Skaven once in the lore. Beastmen would have been the MOST thematic mode and BM also need the new units and overhaul more than even WE's do.
    There's a little snag here in that Morathi is already in the game, so that's already a non-factor. And BM will not be part of the LP because it's core WH2 races only, so that's also of no relevance. And let's not forget that the entire mini-campaign in WH1 was WE vs BM, even netting BM a free lord and the harpies.

    Skaven don't need any excuse to have quarrel with anyone and generating a conflict betweem WE and Skaven is easier than with any other faction that's left. They are also closer to AL than any other faction.
    And so what? That entire conflict gives WE as a reason more than enough reason to hate the Dark Elves. The same line of logic lead to Skaven vs Lizardmen despite of the fact that Skrolk is already in the game. That was not a snag in the match up. And, of course, WE actually fought DE after that point as well, mostly in assistance to the High Elves.

    You see, that line of logic always bothers me, "Skaven don't need a reason to fight" well, technically, Warhammer is written so that no race needs a reason to fight, they always have a reason to fight, but that doesn't mean whether that reason is a good one.

    And Skaven don't have a good reason. They don't even interact with Wood Elves in their own armybook(7th edition, because someone will point they don't have an 8th edition one).
    WE are mentioned thirce in the DE armybook.

    Once to say that DE don't like the WE because they're keeping themselves aloof from the whole civil war.
    Two is the whole business with Malekith's wife who was murdered by a HE army through a scheme by Morathi.
    Three is when Malekith is looking for allies and the WE, predictably, decline to join him and he lets the issue slide because he didn't expect anything of them anyway (see point one).

    Yeah, sorry, as far as the lore is concerned, DE have no actual reason to treat with the WE in any major conflict.
    That's three more reasons for them than what Skaven have looking at their armybook.

    But if you wanted to know, that second point is also the source of Ariel's corruption, as Allisara, Malekith's wife, is also Ariel's sister. Now, the conflict isn't fully explored in DE armybook but if you meander a look into WE armybook you'll see the full extent of their meddling and the consequences WE suffered for it.

    And, again, it's not the DE going after WE, it's WE going after DE.

    Skaven have always a good reason to quarrel with anyone: they're evil little creeps bent on world conquest. They're a perversion of nature, so WE would also have a reason to go after them.

    Sure, find me a lore passage that actually states how they are bound in any sort of conflict and I'll believe you. Because, as things stand, WE have an outside connection only to the Dark Elves.
    Except none of those reasons justify conflict, they actually do the very opposite. Malekith was SEEKING AN ALLIANCE WITH THEM ****! That means creating conflict would actually be the very opposite of what Malekith would want. And the murder of his wife, that blame's pinned on the HE.
    Oh, but it isn't. Because both Malekith AND Ariel know full well it was Morathi who did it, but she played off Ariel and then Malekith sparred her. But it is fully well known who did it.

    AND AGAIN, IT IS NOT DE GOING AFTER WE, IT IS WE GOING AFTER DE. Get that through your head.

    UNLEASH THE EVERCHARIOT

  • NeodeinosNeodeinos Registered Users Posts: 12,407

    neodeinos said:

    Eh, WE vs DE would be a very cool theme and I'd actually prefer to see that even if Moulder is the faction I want the most right now.

    There's no theme between WE and DE and both don't even have anything left unit-wise. There's already enough barrel-scraping for the WE, no need to do so for the DE as well.
    Ariel invaded Naggaroth to kill Morathi. Even if we already have Morathi in the game that's far enough to build a theme for a DE vs WE lord pack.
    #JusticeForTzeentch
    #JusticeForMonogods

  • XxXScorpionXxXXxXScorpionXxX Registered Users Posts: 3,867

    neodeinos said:

    Eh, WE vs DE would be a very cool theme and I'd actually prefer to see that even if Moulder is the faction I want the most right now.

    There's no theme between WE and DE and both don't even have anything left unit-wise. There's already enough barrel-scraping for the WE, no need to do so for the DE as well.
    Ariel and Morathi have a lot of history together in lore. WE vs DE would be more thematic. I'm not even sure if the WE ever encounter Skaven once in the lore. Beastmen would have been the MOST thematic mode and BM also need the new units and overhaul more than even WE's do.
    There's a little snag here in that Morathi is already in the game, so that's already a non-factor. And BM will not be part of the LP because it's core WH2 races only, so that's also of no relevance. And let's not forget that the entire mini-campaign in WH1 was WE vs BM, even netting BM a free lord and the harpies.

    Skaven don't need any excuse to have quarrel with anyone and generating a conflict betweem WE and Skaven is easier than with any other faction that's left. They are also closer to AL than any other faction.
    And Ariel hasn't been confirmed the lead character in the lord pack. Whats your point? You could easily come up with a Shadow Blade vs Sisters of Twilight campaign in which both are agents working through Morathi/Ariel and make Ariel a FLC lord.

    Sorry but I don't mind "barrel scraping" I never even played the TT so its all equally new to me.
    Man, that's cute. You brought up Ariel's rivalry with Morathi as some sort of argument for DE and WE and as soon as it's debunked (predictably since even you should have remembered Morathi is already in the game) you wash your hands of it.
    The WE and DE have a connection in the lore. Skaven don't. Get mad. Be mad.
    Request scorched body textures, poisoned dying animations for infantry's skeletons, a blood slider that allows us to control how much blood appears in battle and make proper death animations for all ethereal units so they vanish for Blood for the Blood God 3.
  • saweendrasaweendra Registered Users Posts: 14,759
    I mean WE biggest connection in lore is beastmen and bretonnia neither is gonna be part lp unfortunately
    #givemoreunitsforbrettonia, my bret dlc
  • XxXScorpionXxXXxXScorpionXxX Registered Users Posts: 3,867
    neodeinos said:

    neodeinos said:

    Eh, WE vs DE would be a very cool theme and I'd actually prefer to see that even if Moulder is the faction I want the most right now.

    There's no theme between WE and DE and both don't even have anything left unit-wise. There's already enough barrel-scraping for the WE, no need to do so for the DE as well.
    Ariel invaded Naggaroth to kill Morathi. Even if we already have Morathi in the game that's far enough to build a theme for a DE vs WE lord pack.
    Also would give them an interesting start location for the Vortex and Mortals maps. Naggaroth gets boring with so many Dark Elves and Skaven running around. There is a HE starting point and TK starting point and thats it.
    Request scorched body textures, poisoned dying animations for infantry's skeletons, a blood slider that allows us to control how much blood appears in battle and make proper death animations for all ethereal units so they vanish for Blood for the Blood God 3.
  • YrellianYrellian Registered Users Posts: 1,898
    Truth be told, I would much rather see WE vs DE than WE vs Skaven and it is all connected with my personal bies. I just don't like playing as Skaven in TWW. After three years I was able to finish only one campaing as them (three days ago) and I did it only because of the achievements, not personal pleasure. So it is highly unlikely I will be touching Skaven again in a long time and that is why I hope that DE are the other part of the DLC.

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  • jamesbluewavejamesbluewave Registered Users Posts: 531
    More skaven yes-yes make true vermintide army yes make it BIGGER MASSIVE BIGGER yes-yes! Honestly , I don’t really care what they throw out there, most their Lord packs for this game have been pretty good, but I think the skaven ones have really stood out compared to the other ones. ikkit claw changed how skaven plays forever, and clan eshin is by far the strongest faction in the game because of shadow dealings, especially plunge in2 anarchy. You can just delete your biggest problem. They just have done so much cool stuff with the skaven in comparison to other factions. But, like I said earlier, I don’t really mind what they throw out there, but their skaven work seems to be the best imo.
  • jamreal18jamreal18 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 12,507
    edited November 2020
    Skaven has LL - Throt and Thanquol
    LM, HE and DE - complete

    W1 races still have missing LL. Better CA look at them rather than making LL on races that already have their important LL in the game.

    What HE and LM need are FLC. Annointed of Asuryan and Troglodon. No need to make DLC dedicated to them.

    Just my opinion...
  • MisterSquidMisterSquid Florida, USARegistered Users Posts: 1,434

    Daruwind said:

    Daruwind said:

    You are right but...

    LM
    -LL:Oxyotl, Tetto´eko (my pick), Chakax (but that´s way similar to other Saurus)
    -Slann Mage-Priest (Beasts, Metal, Shadows, Death)
    -Troglodon (mount)
    -(Thunder Lizard....if dwarfs can dream about Thunderbarge :D)

    HE
    -LL: Aislinn, (Finubar -my pick)
    -LH: Korhil
    -Anointed
    -Skycutter
    -Merwyrm (if LM can get Thunder Lizard :D )

    tl dr;
    -fully agree both LM/HE should not get LP in Wh2, but both have potential for one more LP in game three.
    -agree that DE have characters but lacking other stuff -> FLC LL
    -Skaven should get spot now with Throt /Moulder and Thanquol is safely game three :)

    As I said in my OP, those units wouldn't majorly change the gameplay of those factions. HE are already unchallengeable in the air (and adding airborne artillery would only make them even more broken OP than they already are) and LM have already the biggest of the dinos and it didn't make a difference so more big dinos wouldn't do so either.
    Question is, if MP balance is selling stuff or rule of coolness ;-) I agree with you but you can hardly deny that Thunder Lizard would not sell LP alone..or Thunderbarge... That would be insta buy for almost anybody...**** huge super Dino! After all, Campaign only stuff is reality, no problem with op Thunder Lizard...
    I'm pretty sure the Dread Saurian wasn't the main selling point of H&B, but that it finally expanded the Empire beyond the Old World (even with the idiotic reasoning they justified it with). The Dread Saurian itself is also a unit that has basically disappeared from MP just because it's nowhere near as cost-efficient as the smaller dinos thanks to its huge cost and massive hitbox. Big monsters are not automatically what sells content and if you argue so, Clan Moulder is the monster clan, so they can deliver in this regard anyway.
    I so very much wish we had gotten the Troglodon over the Dread Saurian. I would much rather have a sidegrade to the Carnosaur rather than a unit that basically outclasses in every way and is so prohibitively expensive it almost never gets used.

    Also agree that Skaven are far and away the best choice. I think this is the popular opinion, which is why the dissent is so loud.
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  • WaaaghCheifWaaaghCheif Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 2,241

    Of course CA could make the terrible decision and do WE vs anyone but Skaven, but it would be better for everyone if they for once did what's obvious instead of "subverting expectations" Last Jedi style.

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  • YrellianYrellian Registered Users Posts: 1,898
    jamreal18 said:

    Skaven has LL - Throt and Thanquol
    LM, HE and DE - complete

    W1 races still have missing LL. Better CA look at them rather than making LL on races that already have their important LL in the game.

    What HE and LM need are FLC. Annointed of Asuryan and Troglodon. No need to make DLC dedicated to them.

    Just my opinion...

    If you want to go by the rules and who can lead armies, you still have:
    HE:
    - Belannaer the Wise (5th edition)
    - Sea Lord Aislinn (6th edition via SoC)
    DE:
    - Beastlord Rakarth (6th edition via Warhammer Chronicles 2003)
    LM:
    - Quatl of Tlaxtlan (no-name, so no need)
    - I would kind want Tetto'eko, Astronomer of the Constellations. Yeah he is a hero choice on TT and I did not include any hero choices with HE or DE, but he was really important during the ETs, so it's 50/50.

    See, they are far from complete. Yeah they might me closer to completed than Empire, but not yet. And I still want Finubar :smiley:

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  • MalalforthewinMalalforthewin Registered Users Posts: 450
    edited November 2020
    dumb comment on my part
    Post edited by Malalforthewin on
  • DaruwindDaruwind Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 1,447
    We know Skaven will get Thanquol in game three. That is sure thing. Throt/Moulder is big enough pile of content to omit, so Skaven will reach 7 LLs one way or another. That´s of course opening question for others....DE we have problems now to justify another LP...but two more? HE/LM might get one and actually if you are thinking about it, those are popular faction and Wh3 will need some LP content sooner or later (not saying the first LP of course, but down the line in 2-3 years..). Plus of course Wh1 faction, BM...other must be adressed as well , first possibly :) I would say it is far more realistic to expect 1 LP in game three for various Wh1/2 factions than to expect 2 LPs for some..

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  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 30,021
    edited November 2020
    I agree.

    Skaven deserve to be in this LP and in a Thanquol LP in game 3.
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  • BjornNorlinderBjornNorlinder Registered Users Posts: 809
    jamreal18 said:

    Wrong.

    Both helf and lzm have cool stuff to be added.

    Skaven it's just more of the same. Rat monsters, augmented rat ogres, and what not.

    HE and DE are done already. Come on, why should CA make more LL for them? Let them turn their attention into other race that need love.
    Well both can use one last lp

    And skaven are pretty much done as well. They have the largest roster of the wh2 core races and second only to GS.
    They also recieved 2 lord packs and have been in the good end of the lp both times unlike lzm who have had it rough.

    The only argument for skaven is that they only have 5 ll. The 6th can come in the form of flc and not dlc.

    I really hope lzm finally have an enjoyable campaign but yeah I know full well it will be skaven as they continue to receive all the love.
  • Jman5Jman5 Registered Users Posts: 1,610
    I agree with you OP, but really I don't understand why we are getting into such heated arguments over this. We'll know in a week or two and no amount of persuasive arguments will change which factions we get.
  • NeodeinosNeodeinos Registered Users Posts: 12,407

    jamreal18 said:

    Wrong.

    Both helf and lzm have cool stuff to be added.

    Skaven it's just more of the same. Rat monsters, augmented rat ogres, and what not.

    HE and DE are done already. Come on, why should CA make more LL for them? Let them turn their attention into other race that need love.
    Well both can use one last lp

    And skaven are pretty much done as well. They have the largest roster of the wh2 core races and second only to GS.
    They also recieved 2 lord packs and have been in the good end of the lp both times unlike lzm who have had it rough.

    The only argument for skaven is that they only have 5 ll. The 6th can come in the form of flc and not dlc.

    I really hope lzm finally have an enjoyable campaign but yeah I know full well it will be skaven as they continue to receive all the love.
    Skaven still have a lot of units to add, you could easily make two more lord packs for them.
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  • DaruwindDaruwind Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 1,447


    Skaven still have a lot of units to add, you could easily make two more lord packs for them.

    And mainly two solid yet different themes.

    1) Throt + Moulder + whole animal /mutation stuff

    2) Thanquol + Great Hornet Rat + another great scheme possibly ending whole world :D

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  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 30,021

    jamreal18 said:

    Wrong.

    Both helf and lzm have cool stuff to be added.

    Skaven it's just more of the same. Rat monsters, augmented rat ogres, and what not.

    HE and DE are done already. Come on, why should CA make more LL for them? Let them turn their attention into other race that need love.
    Well both can use one last lp

    And skaven are pretty much done as well. They have the largest roster of the wh2 core races and second only to GS.
    They also recieved 2 lord packs and have been in the good end of the lp both times unlike lzm who have had it rough.

    The only argument for skaven is that they only have 5 ll. The 6th can come in the form of flc and not dlc.

    I really hope lzm finally have an enjoyable campaign but yeah I know full well it will be skaven as they continue to receive all the love.
    Skaven have 2 TT lords left. DE, Skaven, LM, they all have precisely 0 outside of old editions or ET stuff. They also have two obvious themes and sets of units. Moulder, then Thanquol with Stormfiends and Verminlords.
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  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 30,021
    Jman5 said:

    I agree with you OP, but really I don't understand why we are getting into such heated arguments over this. We'll know in a week or two and no amount of persuasive arguments will change which factions we get.

    This is a forum, discussion occurs here.
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