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Forgeworld Writer moves to CA - possible 40k game

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  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 12,318
    Surge_2 said:

    The old lore for the Necron/Mechanicus is a thing of beauty. I dont know that its still there honestly with the reboots of the necron's the last few editions.

    Go back to 3rd? Mmmm good stuff.

    The Necrons are now more Sci Fi horror rather than space terminators, I really like it.

    Mechanicus featured the work of a 40k writer, it was a great game and story.
  • Surge_2Surge_2 Registered Users Posts: 4,498
    Crossil said:

    really an hard choice between 30k and 40k, wish they could do both ...

    30k has no Tyranids, no Tau and no Necrons.

    It's really not a choice.
    I dont know. I played a lot of 30K, and my group found it preferable. I think 40K has obviously the potential for more variation however.
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  • SchubSchub Registered Users Posts: 455
    CA needs a new engine for this kind of game. At least in the past that was the reason why CA won't do a Total War: WW1 oder WW 2.
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  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 12,318
    30k features powerful stories and informs you why everyone is how they are in 40k. It's important to be reflected in the narrative but not as a full time scale for the game.
  • ROMOBOYROMOBOY Registered Users Posts: 3,455
    Think range is op in fantasy? Wait until 40K.
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  • CaesarSahlertzCaesarSahlertz Registered Users Posts: 4,454
    He is a designer isn't he?.. He probably just made a lateral career move.. So he will work for CA in designing characters.
  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 12,318

    He is a designer isn't he?.. He probably just made a lateral career move.. So he will work for CA in designing characters.

    I don't think he's a character designer, he more works on rules, mechanics etc. as well as characters. Those rules, mechanics, characters are more 40k based.
  • CaesarSahlertzCaesarSahlertz Registered Users Posts: 4,454

    He is a designer isn't he?.. He probably just made a lateral career move.. So he will work for CA in designing characters.

    I don't think he's a character designer, he more works on rules, mechanics etc. as well as characters. Those rules, mechanics, characters are more 40k based.
    Either way, just because a person used to work on Warhammer, does not mean they will forever work on Warhammer... Case in point: Andy Chambers.
  • BlaeysBlaeys Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 1,093
    ROMOBOY said:

    How would the map even work, since they have their own entire planets. Would they have to come up with a map of all of them on the same planet?

    Dawn of War 1 did this with no issue. I could see a Total War game taking the same approach.
  • Commissar_GCommissar_G Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 12,287

    Yes, I know this as been talked about a lot but after watching a previous Volrak stream who personally believes that CA and GW have possibly done a deal for a 40k or 30k games I wonder if it is getting more likely, even if it isn't a normal TW game.

    Also a popular 30 and 40k writer and game designer from GW and Forgeworld Anuj Malhotra, recently joined Creative Assembly (this month), does it look like CA and GW's relationship is solidifying some what?

    Edit: Mods.. sorry - wrong place. This should be general.

    Link to the stream please?
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  • CrossilCrossil Registered Users Posts: 9,958
    edited December 2020
    Blaeys said:

    ROMOBOY said:

    How would the map even work, since they have their own entire planets. Would they have to come up with a map of all of them on the same planet?

    Dawn of War 1 did this with no issue. I could see a Total War game taking the same approach.
    Essentially. CA makes their own planet(s) on which they have forces fighting over, either with their own characters or some of the lore characters. It won't be like TWW where you have the entire world because galaxy is even worse than what they do with normal maps.

    Otherwise, what, Terra is a settlement and you win it in a fight between 20 units vs 20 units? Nah, they'll do it like Gladius, Dark Crusade and Soulstorm.

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  • Surge_2Surge_2 Registered Users Posts: 4,498

    Surge_2 said:

    Bad news, I don't want 40k

    This new project will devour all the resources of Warhammer fantasy

    Or just because 40k elves don't have iconic characters like Scarloc and Eldyra.
    There is basically nothing interesting for me. I don't understand what people like there. Some pseudo scientific Gothic nonsense
    It is a setting in which the 'good guys' are unquestionably flawed, and through their own ignorance they have already lost, simply dragging out their own suffering, and damning themselves for it.

    For a philosophical pessimist, it is still one of the most refreshing settings constructed, Sci Fi or not.
    Philosophy of losers, dubious pleasure, now I understand why I'm not interested
    LOL. It certainly is not for fans of High Fantasy who only desire for Good vs Evil.

    That's the point.
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  • WaaaghCheifWaaaghCheif Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 1,876
    Also any link,video,article @davedave1124 to the subject would be nice. Essentially;
    Source?
  • KuntingWarriorKuntingWarrior Registered Users Posts: 1,755
    ROMOBOY said:

    Think range is op in fantasy? Wait until 40K.

    Battle starts, execute exterminates strike. You win.

    Literally no way tww40k will be made, it would be so broken.
  • veresh1989veresh1989 Russia, Saint-PetersburgRegistered Users Posts: 3,791
    Surge_2 said:

    Surge_2 said:

    Bad news, I don't want 40k

    This new project will devour all the resources of Warhammer fantasy

    Or just because 40k elves don't have iconic characters like Scarloc and Eldyra.
    There is basically nothing interesting for me. I don't understand what people like there. Some pseudo scientific Gothic nonsense
    It is a setting in which the 'good guys' are unquestionably flawed, and through their own ignorance they have already lost, simply dragging out their own suffering, and damning themselves for it.

    For a philosophical pessimist, it is still one of the most refreshing settings constructed, Sci Fi or not.
    Philosophy of losers, dubious pleasure, now I understand why I'm not interested
    LOL. It certainly is not for fans of High Fantasy who only desire for Good vs Evil.

    That's the point.
    Quite true. I believe Skaven players need to be taken under control, they are probably very dangerous for good and justice in this world

  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 12,318

    He is a designer isn't he?.. He probably just made a lateral career move.. So he will work for CA in designing characters.

    I don't think he's a character designer, he more works on rules, mechanics etc. as well as characters. Those rules, mechanics, characters are more 40k based.
    Either way, just because a person used to work on Warhammer, does not mean they will forever work on Warhammer... Case in point: Andy Chambers.
    I never said it was something I knew for a fact. However, the fact that out of everyone they have recently decided to recruit someone who specialises in the rules and lore of WH40k certainly is a positive move for those who want a WH40k game.
  • Commissar_GCommissar_G Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 12,287
    There is no conceivable universe they do 30k over 40k.

    This isn't even a debate.
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  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 12,318

    Yes, I know this as been talked about a lot but after watching a previous Volrak stream who personally believes that CA and GW have possibly done a deal for a 40k or 30k games I wonder if it is getting more likely, even if it isn't a normal TW game.

    Also a popular 30 and 40k writer and game designer from GW and Forgeworld Anuj Malhotra, recently joined Creative Assembly (this month), does it look like CA and GW's relationship is solidifying some what?

    Edit: Mods.. sorry - wrong place. This should be general.

    Link to the stream please?

    Also any link,video,article @davedave1124 to the subject would be nice. Essentially;
    Source?

    Sorry guys, the stream finished and I'm waiting for it to upload the full one. It came from the Youtuber: Chapter Master Valrak
  • DeadpoolSWDeadpoolSW Registered Users Posts: 1,939
    Is it not a bit earlier for them to be hiring for the successor of the Warhammer trilogy? Game 3 isn't even out yet, and it'll be at least 6 years before we see their next non-historical franchise.
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  • haynamshaynams Registered Users Posts: 275
    Guys use your imagination. Grand campaign map wouldn’t be difficult.

    30k would be a great place to start. Check the viability of the game in the sci-fi setting with the simplified problem of using just various flavors of marines, and maybe guard and mechanicum units. Can have expansions for bringing in Titans, air units, etc.

    Assuming it works and sells (which it absolutely would), would basically fund development of a 40k proper.

    All that said, I’m a fantasy boy through and through and want to see a solid conclusion with 3 (daemons, chaos dwarfs, ogres, kislev, revamped warriors of chaos) before they start dipping toes in the grim darkness of the far future
  • Commissar_GCommissar_G Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 12,287

    Is it not a bit earlier for them to be hiring for the successor of the Warhammer trilogy? Game 3 isn't even out yet, and it'll be at least 6 years before we see their next non-historical franchise.

    Citation on that 6 years needed.
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  • IamNotArobotIamNotArobot Registered Users Posts: 2,814
    what is 30k another 40k ? jeez no, total war 40k at least.

    I could get into that after warhammer 3. let me know thanks.
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  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 12,318

    Is it not a bit earlier for them to be hiring for the successor of the Warhammer trilogy? Game 3 isn't even out yet, and it'll be at least 6 years before we see their next non-historical franchise.

    That may be a pattern but as you know, CA are constantly growing. Going back to Empire and R2 we'd have one large release and a few minor ones. Look at the growth over the last few years.

    Other things could be an issue. Look at the response GW's got back from AAA gaming, it's been great for them. GW maybe offering CA a better deal to create a 40k game.

    CA management have always said they are up for anything as long as the opportunity is there. They have a close relationship with GW and TWWH has been a massive success. 40k is the most popular TT game bar none.. there's certainly an opportunity here.
  • WyvaxWyvax Registered Users Posts: 4,048

    what is 30k another 40k ? jeez no, total war 40k at least.

    I could get into that after warhammer 3. let me know thanks.

    I'm not very well versed in the 40k lore, but I believe it's set during the betrayal of the Primarchs and before the Imperium went into an absolute spiral down. Basically the origin story. Others more knowledgeable can elaborate.
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  • DeadpoolSWDeadpoolSW Registered Users Posts: 1,939
    edited December 2020

    Is it not a bit earlier for them to be hiring for the successor of the Warhammer trilogy? Game 3 isn't even out yet, and it'll be at least 6 years before we see their next non-historical franchise.

    Citation on that 6 years needed.
    Just a ballpark guess:
    While Total War have multiple different teams working on different projects, there's only one working on Warhammer. This team should be entirely focussing on game 3, and won't be moved onto a new project until a couple months after game 3 drops at the earliest (different team works on DLC).
    They would then need to undertake the monumentous task of implementing a whole new engine/set of mechanics for the very different setting of 40K. I'm guessing this would take 2-3 years minimum.
    Then add the fact that game 2 has gotten 3 years of content, so I expect game 3 to get at least 5 years, and I would expect that they'll want game 3's content to be done for the most part before they release 40K.
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  • GoatforceGoatforce Registered Users Posts: 5,638

    Is it not a bit earlier for them to be hiring for the successor of the Warhammer trilogy? Game 3 isn't even out yet, and it'll be at least 6 years before we see their next non-historical franchise.

    Not necessarily, after 3 launches (and the ME 2.0 is out) likely most if not all of the WH3 team will move onto the next fantasy project (though I hope that the DLC team for 3 will be made significantly larger to increase DLC size and/or turnaround).

    So after 3 it may only be about 4 years until the fantasy team put out another game. An example of this is the upcoming Darktide. Vermintide is still actively being supported, but Fatshark is putting out a 40K game too, this would basically be the same deal.
  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 12,318
    Wyvax said:

    what is 30k another 40k ? jeez no, total war 40k at least.

    I could get into that after warhammer 3. let me know thanks.

    I'm not very well versed in the 40k lore, but I believe it's set during the betrayal of the Primarchs and before the Imperium went into an absolute spiral down. Basically the origin story. Others more knowledgeable can elaborate.
    It's set during the crusades, but we also learn about how each Primarch developed, their back story and all of the betrayls during the Horus Heresy.

    The books based on this period is amazing, it truly shows how manipulative the dark gods are, the fact that they turn a pragmatic character like Magbus is great storytelling
  • MaedrethnirMaedrethnir Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 10,626


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  • DeadpoolSWDeadpoolSW Registered Users Posts: 1,939

    Is it not a bit earlier for them to be hiring for the successor of the Warhammer trilogy? Game 3 isn't even out yet, and it'll be at least 6 years before we see their next non-historical franchise.

    That may be a pattern but as you know, CA are constantly growing. Going back to Empire and R2 we'd have one large release and a few minor ones. Look at the growth over the last few years.

    Other things could be an issue. Look at the response GW's got back from AAA gaming, it's been great for them. GW maybe offering CA a better deal to create a 40k game.

    CA management have always said they are up for anything as long as the opportunity is there. They have a close relationship with GW and TWWH has been a massive success. 40k is the most popular TT game bar none.. there's certainly an opportunity here.
    I'm not against it, in fact I would buy the hell out of it. I'm just saying it's a bit early when I'd hope most non-historical staff are focussed on game 3, overhauling systems like sieges.
    Nagash will rule again!

    Justice for Chaos Dwarfs, Ogre Kingdoms, Araby, Albion, Amazons, Halflings, Nippon, Ind & the Hobgoblin Khanate!
  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 12,318

    Is it not a bit earlier for them to be hiring for the successor of the Warhammer trilogy? Game 3 isn't even out yet, and it'll be at least 6 years before we see their next non-historical franchise.

    That may be a pattern but as you know, CA are constantly growing. Going back to Empire and R2 we'd have one large release and a few minor ones. Look at the growth over the last few years.

    Other things could be an issue. Look at the response GW's got back from AAA gaming, it's been great for them. GW maybe offering CA a better deal to create a 40k game.

    CA management have always said they are up for anything as long as the opportunity is there. They have a close relationship with GW and TWWH has been a massive success. 40k is the most popular TT game bar none.. there's certainly an opportunity here.
    I'm not against it, in fact I would buy the hell out of it. I'm just saying it's a bit early when I'd hope most non-historical staff are focussed on game 3, overhauling systems like sieges.
    Well, imagine if instead of doing a focused version of 40k on a new engine they go for a triple like WHFBTW.

    That will take some serious planning and it'll be bigger and harder than I guess we can imagine. It may take some serious developments.

    It's a good question to ask, but why would CA spend so much on a new engine? Why not just do AoS and keep it simple?

    The fact is 40k sells huge and combining these 2 IPs would be big for both companies. A constant game that's updated as with each model range and edition. It's similar to those 80s cartoon lines that specifically supported a toy range like Transformers, Thundercats etc. You watch your favourite character on media/videogame and then buy the model or even army.
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