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The issue with the map is it’s rather small if we just add the darklands, adding Cathay to ME would bring it up to the standard of the other 2 games.
No it isnt.
You simply give us back all the land lost from Vortex, you expand North, you give the full Mountains of Mourn, and as CA has proven with Athel Loren, Bretonnia, Southlands, etc, etc, etc, they can bloat or shrink a zone based on a whim.
The Darklands can be as large as they need.
Even doing what I want, is probably outside the realm of possibility.
So rather than giving new land we get old land.. that sounds great.
Yes, thats right. It does.
It doesn’t.
For WH3's campaign-map (both Immortal empires and the campaign of WH3) it does. As I stated earlier (for WH3's own campaign).
The issue with the map is it’s rather small if we just add the darklands, adding Cathay to ME would bring it up to the standard of the other 2 games.
No it isnt.
You simply give us back all the land lost from Vortex, you expand North, you give the full Mountains of Mourn, and as CA has proven with Athel Loren, Bretonnia, Southlands, etc, etc, etc, they can bloat or shrink a zone based on a whim.
The Darklands can be as large as they need.
Even doing what I want, is probably outside the realm of possibility.
So rather than giving new land we get old land.. that sounds great.
Cathy is an amalgamation on pretty much any generic Chinese folklore and there lie its problem, theres nothing "Warhammer" about it. You could get someone who's never even heard of warhammer before to design a generic mythical chinese faction and youd just get current Cathy anyway.
You could say that about any Warhammer faction. It does make me smile when people come across like Prime WH factions are deep and unique fantasy constructs. Bretonnia is a mix of English and French fantasy/culture.
Never said they were, most warhammer factions are pretty damm shallow, but what they have had is decades to build up their own thing, Cathy hasn't, it's the equivalent of putting 1st edition greenskins into the game.
Non of this decides whether Cathay would appear or not. Compare previous lore to Cylostra, it is clear then that amount of lore doesn’t decide whether something appears or not, it depends on many issues.
All WH factions are based on shallow historical context. Further to that, we just need the most basic of lore for something or someone to be added as long as there’s further reasons to add it.
Hey your right, someone else can just snap their fingers and oh look, a full Japan Nippon! List.
Just like some fans have taken a few pages, and extrapolated that into the same level of importance as races and factions with decades and books worth of support.
You are completely right, people can put importance on anything, no matter how irrelevant it is.
Congratulations.
No comparison is valid, no logical deduction is meaningful. "Cathay matters!"
Sure man.
You have a habit of throwing your toys out of the park whenever you’re questioned. Many people have given clear arguments for Cathay, however, you always feel the need to reduce your argument to some simple minded cliche which ignores what’s been said in the past.
If you want to keep it simple then I suggest you have this conversation with someone on Twitter.
Arguments for Cathay boil down to 3 things.
1. We dont know. 2. Its for fat China $$$$. 3. The Map.
Anything else is easily dismissed.
It IS that simple.
You don't know if polish and Russian will buy Kislev either.
Because that doesn't matter. They are not making Kislev to appeal to those, they will make Kislev because it fits their vision for the map and lots of fans like them.
But fans have said they would love Cathay. Of course the China market would be interested. The Western markets would purchase Cathay. Would you buy Cathay? A fully fleshed out unit roster with back story lords etc. I would purchase Cathay and I think most of the community would. 3 kingdoms did well in china Cathay will have a similar effect on a different scale.
Cathy is an amalgamation on pretty much any generic Chinese folklore and there lie its problem, theres nothing "Warhammer" about it. You could get someone who's never even heard of warhammer before to design a generic mythical chinese faction and youd just get current Cathy anyway.
You could say that about any Warhammer faction. It does make me smile when people come across like Prime WH factions are deep and unique fantasy constructs. Bretonnia is a mix of English and French fantasy/culture.
Never said they were, most warhammer factions are pretty damm shallow, but what they have had is decades to build up their own thing, Cathy hasn't, it's the equivalent of putting 1st edition greenskins into the game.
Non of this decides whether Cathay would appear or not. Compare previous lore to Cylostra, it is clear then that amount of lore doesn’t decide whether something appears or not, it depends on many issues.
All WH factions are based on shallow historical context. Further to that, we just need the most basic of lore for something or someone to be added as long as there’s further reasons to add it.
Hey your right, someone else can just snap their fingers and oh look, a full Japan Nippon! List.
Just like some fans have taken a few pages, and extrapolated that into the same level of importance as races and factions with decades and books worth of support.
You are completely right, people can put importance on anything, no matter how irrelevant it is.
Congratulations.
No comparison is valid, no logical deduction is meaningful. "Cathay matters!"
Sure man.
You have a habit of throwing your toys out of the park whenever you’re questioned. Many people have given clear arguments for Cathay, however, you always feel the need to reduce your argument to some simple minded cliche which ignores what’s been said in the past.
If you want to keep it simple then I suggest you have this conversation with someone on Twitter.
Arguments for Cathay boil down to 3 things.
1. We dont know. 2. Its for fat China $$$$. 3. The Map.
Anything else is easily dismissed.
It IS that simple.
You don't know if polish and Russian will buy Kislev either.
Because that doesn't matter. They are not making Kislev to appeal to those, they will make Kislev because it fits their vision for the map and lots of fans like them.
But fans have said they would love Cathay. Of course the China market would be interested. The Western markets would purchase Cathay. Would you buy Cathay? A fully fleshed out unit roster with back story lords etc. I would purchase Cathay and I think most of the community would. 3 kingdoms did well in china Cathay will have a similar effect on a different scale.
If it was just a DLC, with no expansion of the map as one of those 'expedition' races?
Not at all. Its not part of the setting in any real way, why bother. Its not Warhammer.
Would I have bought Araby? Yes. Would I buy Kislev? Yes. Would I buy DoW? Yes. Would I buy Southern Realms? Yes.
Nippon or Cathay? No, because they are not actual factions, and I'm not interested in CA fan fiction.
The issue with the map is it’s rather small if we just add the darklands, adding Cathay to ME would bring it up to the standard of the other 2 games.
No it isnt.
You simply give us back all the land lost from Vortex, you expand North, you give the full Mountains of Mourn, and as CA has proven with Athel Loren, Bretonnia, Southlands, etc, etc, etc, they can bloat or shrink a zone based on a whim.
The Darklands can be as large as they need.
Even doing what I want, is probably outside the realm of possibility.
So rather than giving new land we get old land.. that sounds great.
Yes, thats right. It does.
It doesn’t.
For WH3's campaign-map (both Immortal empires and the campaign of WH3) it does. As I stated earlier (for WH3's own campaign).
The issue with the map is it’s rather small if we just add the darklands, adding Cathay to ME would bring it up to the standard of the other 2 games.
No it isnt.
You simply give us back all the land lost from Vortex, you expand North, you give the full Mountains of Mourn, and as CA has proven with Athel Loren, Bretonnia, Southlands, etc, etc, etc, they can bloat or shrink a zone based on a whim.
The Darklands can be as large as they need.
Even doing what I want, is probably outside the realm of possibility.
So rather than giving new land we get old land.. that sounds great.
Yes, thats right. It does.
It doesn’t.
It does.
The Darklands is still half the size of the other full maps. To create double that of already seen map would certainly shirt change the playerbase, especially considering it would’ve taken around 4 years.
Here are some descriptions of official Cathay army units:
The jade-green tower, a thing as much of magic as stone, sat high and all but unassailable upon a jagged promontory of rock overlooking the ancient Silk Road that led from the gates of the Great Bastion to the south-east, and the inhospitable mountain passes of the Ogre Kingdoms to the west. From here the servants of the Eternal Dragon Emperor surveyed the great road and kept watch for signs and portents of woe and threats from distant lands, and so they were well forewarned of the terrors arrayed against them. The warriors of the East, oath-sworn and stalwart, stood firm behind the ramparts of the tiered fortifications that encircled the outpost beneath the tower, lined as they were with snarling-mouthed bronze cannon and deadly stone-fleshed temple dogs and crow-men, ready to crush the foe in their granite claws. Wary of the arts and devices of this unfamiliar enemy, Sayl's twisted tongue worked upon the chieftains of the Beastmen and convinced them to commence the assault with a night attack — a tactic at which they were expert and well-suited. The Faithless One's own forces, notably including a dozen war mammoths he had worked loose from the main column for the attack, he planned to keep in reserve until a gap in the defences was breached for them to exploit.[1c]
From the beginning the attack went awry for the forces of Chaos, and as the braying, savage tide of Gors and Ungors, Minotaurs and Spawn erupted from the darkness, the skies above them were riven by explosions of lambent green and ice white light as enchanted fireworks turned the night into a rippling phantasm of spectral figures which turned and roared in crazed display. Cannon spat forth clusters of bronze javelins which showered through the onrushing Beastmen, accompanied by wave after wave of barbed crossbow bolts which felled hundreds in mere moments. The fury of the Beasts of Chaos however did not falter, and within minutes the barbarous tide, loping and running with phenomenal speed had reached the outer wall, and spurred on by the whips and cries of their Beastlords and Bray-Shaman, scores began to scale the high wall of the outer bastion, their clawed hands and crude picks finding purchase, augmented by the sudden rampant growth of twisted black vines mutated by the incantations of the shaman. At the outer gate, hulking, multi-armed Ghorgon pounded at the gates with petrified tree-trunks as hard as iron, only to fall back maimed and dying as Dragon-blooded Shugengan Wizards hurled blasts of white fire and blizzards of murderous ice-shards against them. Heedless of their losses, the Brayherd pressed on, and by sheer reckless fury overwhelmed the outer wall, spilling over it as a storm-driven tide breaks over a levy wall. The warriors of the East stood their ground, though vastly outnumbered, their emerald green back-banners flickering in the gaudy light from above, their long blades of thousand-folded iron weaving and cutting a dance through the rough flesh and snarling jaws of the cloven-hoofed ones. But it was not enough, and one by one the Cathayan Bannermen fell. The fortified compound beneath the tower was taken, the Brayherd screaming and howling its triumph and gorging itself frenziedly on the flesh of the dead.[1c]
Sayl the Faithless watched on from atop his war mammoth mount, but no matter the entreatments of his Dolgan chieftains and the Exalted Champions that followed his banner, Sayl held them back and would not attack. The warriors and marauders muttered and grew angry at the glory denied them, the victory they were forced to watch given to the hands of others — to the Beastmen no less! But they held back yet, for Sayl had promised to flay the souls of any that defied him to the reapers of the void, and such threats all knew were far from idle in nature, and so the Dolgans kept their place grudgingly and did not rush to reinforce the attack. And so it was that Sayl felt the twisted skein of magic being, drawn tight and the Atheric winds, drawn in an ever intensifying vortex by the blood spilled before him, pulled into a deadly pattern by a will other than his own. Suddenly, at the height of the Beastmen's bloody revelry in the fortress compound at the foot of the tower, the glowing phantasms in the skies above were snuffed out into deepest black, a black into which a single, bright, burning star was born. Screaming aloud, Sayl and the other Chaos sorcerers present sought frantically to abjure the doom that was about to befall the battlefield, but to no end. Sayl knowing bitterly that even as he tried to disrupt the magics that had been wielded, he had little chance of undoing what had been set in motion. The comet fell from the heavens like a speeding bolt of blue-white fire, the burning rune of Celestial magic graven upon its flanks in flickering starlight for all with the art to see it.[1c]
It struck dead-center on the fortress compound with a roaring blast that shook the earth and a blinding flash of power that caused even the war mammoths to buck and bellow in pain. Inside the fortress all was carnage, as scores of Beastmen and Minotaurs were incinerated in an instant, gone to ash and dust with only their shadows blasted against the walls to mark the sudden agony of their passing. The surviving Brayherd reeled, blinded arid burned in the wake of the thunderbolt from the heavens, but were given no respite as the baleful counter-attack was launched. Strange creatures of living stone swam down the jade walls of the tower and up through the rocky ground as if it were water, and the Beastmen became their prey.[1c]
Encircled and trapped, the Brayherd's savagery was soon overwhelmed, and Sayl watched on in grim fascination with his witch's sight as great Minotaurs were dragged bellowing and helpless into the air by living statues of onyx -- neither raven nor man in shape — and gutted by glittering talons, while fresh Bannermen, their long blades and wickedly curved polearms flashing poured from the tower gates and into the fray. Bitter and angry that his prize was so readily slipping from his grip, Sayl raised mighty magics of his own and sent hurricane winds and spiteful arcs of lighting to vex the enemy and blast and scatter its winged avengers, but could do little more than cover the surviving Beastmen's route from the walls. With a scornful sweep of his clawed hand, Sayl signaled the retreat from the tower, and his Dolgans, resentful but cowed by the hurricane storm that now blanketed the tower unabated, obeyed him.[1c]
'Offical' yet you are quoting directly from the Warhammer wiki, which is very unreliable and full of fan lore.
Here are some descriptions of official Cathay army units:
The jade-green tower, a thing as much of magic as stone, sat high and all but unassailable upon a jagged promontory of rock overlooking the ancient Silk Road that led from the gates of the Great Bastion to the south-east, and the inhospitable mountain passes of the Ogre Kingdoms to the west. From here the servants of the Eternal Dragon Emperor surveyed the great road and kept watch for signs and portents of woe and threats from distant lands, and so they were well forewarned of the terrors arrayed against them. The warriors of the East, oath-sworn and stalwart, stood firm behind the ramparts of the tiered fortifications that encircled the outpost beneath the tower, lined as they were with snarling-mouthed bronze cannon and deadly stone-fleshed temple dogs and crow-men, ready to crush the foe in their granite claws. Wary of the arts and devices of this unfamiliar enemy, Sayl's twisted tongue worked upon the chieftains of the Beastmen and convinced them to commence the assault with a night attack — a tactic at which they were expert and well-suited. The Faithless One's own forces, notably including a dozen war mammoths he had worked loose from the main column for the attack, he planned to keep in reserve until a gap in the defences was breached for them to exploit.[1c]
From the beginning the attack went awry for the forces of Chaos, and as the braying, savage tide of Gors and Ungors, Minotaurs and Spawn erupted from the darkness, the skies above them were riven by explosions of lambent green and ice white light as enchanted fireworks turned the night into a rippling phantasm of spectral figures which turned and roared in crazed display. Cannon spat forth clusters of bronze javelins which showered through the onrushing Beastmen, accompanied by wave after wave of barbed crossbow bolts which felled hundreds in mere moments. The fury of the Beasts of Chaos however did not falter, and within minutes the barbarous tide, loping and running with phenomenal speed had reached the outer wall, and spurred on by the whips and cries of their Beastlords and Bray-Shaman, scores began to scale the high wall of the outer bastion, their clawed hands and crude picks finding purchase, augmented by the sudden rampant growth of twisted black vines mutated by the incantations of the shaman. At the outer gate, hulking, multi-armed Ghorgon pounded at the gates with petrified tree-trunks as hard as iron, only to fall back maimed and dying as Dragon-blooded Shugengan Wizards hurled blasts of white fire and blizzards of murderous ice-shards against them. Heedless of their losses, the Brayherd pressed on, and by sheer reckless fury overwhelmed the outer wall, spilling over it as a storm-driven tide breaks over a levy wall. The warriors of the East stood their ground, though vastly outnumbered, their emerald green back-banners flickering in the gaudy light from above, their long blades of thousand-folded iron weaving and cutting a dance through the rough flesh and snarling jaws of the cloven-hoofed ones. But it was not enough, and one by one the Cathayan Bannermen fell. The fortified compound beneath the tower was taken, the Brayherd screaming and howling its triumph and gorging itself frenziedly on the flesh of the dead.[1c]
Sayl the Faithless watched on from atop his war mammoth mount, but no matter the entreatments of his Dolgan chieftains and the Exalted Champions that followed his banner, Sayl held them back and would not attack. The warriors and marauders muttered and grew angry at the glory denied them, the victory they were forced to watch given to the hands of others — to the Beastmen no less! But they held back yet, for Sayl had promised to flay the souls of any that defied him to the reapers of the void, and such threats all knew were far from idle in nature, and so the Dolgans kept their place grudgingly and did not rush to reinforce the attack. And so it was that Sayl felt the twisted skein of magic being, drawn tight and the Atheric winds, drawn in an ever intensifying vortex by the blood spilled before him, pulled into a deadly pattern by a will other than his own. Suddenly, at the height of the Beastmen's bloody revelry in the fortress compound at the foot of the tower, the glowing phantasms in the skies above were snuffed out into deepest black, a black into which a single, bright, burning star was born. Screaming aloud, Sayl and the other Chaos sorcerers present sought frantically to abjure the doom that was about to befall the battlefield, but to no end. Sayl knowing bitterly that even as he tried to disrupt the magics that had been wielded, he had little chance of undoing what had been set in motion. The comet fell from the heavens like a speeding bolt of blue-white fire, the burning rune of Celestial magic graven upon its flanks in flickering starlight for all with the art to see it.[1c]
It struck dead-center on the fortress compound with a roaring blast that shook the earth and a blinding flash of power that caused even the war mammoths to buck and bellow in pain. Inside the fortress all was carnage, as scores of Beastmen and Minotaurs were incinerated in an instant, gone to ash and dust with only their shadows blasted against the walls to mark the sudden agony of their passing. The surviving Brayherd reeled, blinded arid burned in the wake of the thunderbolt from the heavens, but were given no respite as the baleful counter-attack was launched. Strange creatures of living stone swam down the jade walls of the tower and up through the rocky ground as if it were water, and the Beastmen became their prey.[1c]
Encircled and trapped, the Brayherd's savagery was soon overwhelmed, and Sayl watched on in grim fascination with his witch's sight as great Minotaurs were dragged bellowing and helpless into the air by living statues of onyx -- neither raven nor man in shape — and gutted by glittering talons, while fresh Bannermen, their long blades and wickedly curved polearms flashing poured from the tower gates and into the fray. Bitter and angry that his prize was so readily slipping from his grip, Sayl raised mighty magics of his own and sent hurricane winds and spiteful arcs of lighting to vex the enemy and blast and scatter its winged avengers, but could do little more than cover the surviving Beastmen's route from the walls. With a scornful sweep of his clawed hand, Sayl signaled the retreat from the tower, and his Dolgans, resentful but cowed by the hurricane storm that now blanketed the tower unabated, obeyed him.[1c]
'Offical' yet you are quoting directly from the Warhammer wiki, which is very unreliable and full of fan lore.
Who is directly quoting a Forgeworld novel which is official. So has nothing to do with fan fiction or fan lore.
Maybe it is maybe it's not.
It’s a direct quote from a Forgeworld book. Fact.
which book
tamurkhan the throne of chaos
Although a second hand copy costs £200 for some reason
The Darklands is still half the size of the other full maps. To create double that of already seen map would certainly shirt change the playerbase, especially considering it would’ve taken around 4 years.
4 years for a rehashed map, like I said - great.
Agreed. 4 Years for Chaos Wastes, updates to WoC, Daemons, Ogres, Mountains of Mourn, Dark Lands, Chaos Dwarves, and Kislev.
For WH3's narrative campaign: The Dark Lands will probably get a new look for game 3, especially Dawi Zharr territory, the Mountains of Mourn will probably be unique and a whole labyrinth of twisting paths and valleys and they might extend the Chaos Wastes, as well, with more variation.
Add some parts of the Old World and areas like Nagashizzar, and you'll have a map rivalling the Vortex campaign in terms of size and landmarks.
For WH3's Immortal Empires campaign: The map will probably extend a bit more to encompass a whole lot more of Lustria and the Southlands. More of the north and east, as well (Chaos Wastes and Mountains of Mourn). Probably bordering the Great Maw.
You're basically saying no matter if Cathay never had an armybook, it has enough meat to its bones to be an actual unique Warhammer faction.
I have news for you: It doesn't have enough meat. Araby? Not implemented; occupied by Bretonnian factions. Amazons? Not implemented; occupied by Markus Wulfhart. Albion? Not implemented; occupied by Nakai and Norscans. Dogs of War? Not implemented; Still use the Empire roster.
It makes Cathay harder and harder to get included.
Yeah and Warhammer 3 is not coming out till 2022 maybe 2023.
Warhammer 3 is most likely next year, it's definitely not 2023 as that would mean 2 years without any games to release which the high ups and sega won't allow.
No one thought we would see Walmart close at 8 pm. Its a different world and corporations love using C-19 for pushing things back.
No idea don't live in America, but near me supermarkets close at the same time they always do.
Also they have confirmed that Warhammer is their next release, CA isn't a big enough studio to go 1 or 2 years without a game.
Cathy is an amalgamation on pretty much any generic Chinese folklore and there lie its problem, theres nothing "Warhammer" about it. You could get someone who's never even heard of warhammer before to design a generic mythical chinese faction and youd just get current Cathy anyway.
You could say that about any Warhammer faction. It does make me smile when people come across like Prime WH factions are deep and unique fantasy constructs. Bretonnia is a mix of English and French fantasy/culture.
Never said they were, most warhammer factions are pretty damm shallow, but what they have had is decades to build up their own thing, Cathy hasn't, it's the equivalent of putting 1st edition greenskins into the game.
Non of this decides whether Cathay would appear or not. Compare previous lore to Cylostra, it is clear then that amount of lore doesn’t decide whether something appears or not, it depends on many issues.
All WH factions are based on shallow historical context. Further to that, we just need the most basic of lore for something or someone to be added as long as there’s further reasons to add it.
Hey your right, someone else can just snap their fingers and oh look, a full Japan Nippon! List.
Just like some fans have taken a few pages, and extrapolated that into the same level of importance as races and factions with decades and books worth of support.
You are completely right, people can put importance on anything, no matter how irrelevant it is.
Congratulations.
No comparison is valid, no logical deduction is meaningful. "Cathay matters!"
Sure man.
You have a habit of throwing your toys out of the park whenever you’re questioned. Many people have given clear arguments for Cathay, however, you always feel the need to reduce your argument to some simple minded cliche which ignores what’s been said in the past.
If you want to keep it simple then I suggest you have this conversation with someone on Twitter.
Arguments for Cathay boil down to 3 things.
1. We dont know. 2. Its for fat China $$$$. 3. The Map.
Anything else is easily dismissed.
It IS that simple.
Is that what people say? ‘The map’? Is that an argument.
Also, I remember people say 3 Kingdoms was a good idea for the Chinese market. Turned out well.
Absolutely. There is an argument that the map (full world) would only be worthwhile with Cathay.
3 Kingdoms is a cultural touchstone. Relevant to Warhammer? Minimal.
The issue with the map is it’s rather small if we just add the darklands, adding Cathay to ME would bring it up to the standard of the other 2 games.
Paragraph 2 isn’t even remotely an objective argument. As a Cathay based civ would most likely bring in elements of 3K. Also, the idea that 3K is the only cultural reference in China is kind of minimalist in reference to Chinese tastes and cultures.
‘Yeah the Chinese love 3K, can’t get enough.. anything else is meh..’
I have a sneaking suspicion that isn’t even remotely true.
Like how the new Mulan film did well in China...... Oh wait.
Cathy is an amalgamation on pretty much any generic Chinese folklore and there lie its problem, theres nothing "Warhammer" about it. You could get someone who's never even heard of warhammer before to design a generic mythical chinese faction and youd just get current Cathy anyway.
You could say that about any Warhammer faction. It does make me smile when people come across like Prime WH factions are deep and unique fantasy constructs. Bretonnia is a mix of English and French fantasy/culture.
Never said they were, most warhammer factions are pretty damm shallow, but what they have had is decades to build up their own thing, Cathy hasn't, it's the equivalent of putting 1st edition greenskins into the game.
Non of this decides whether Cathay would appear or not. Compare previous lore to Cylostra, it is clear then that amount of lore doesn’t decide whether something appears or not, it depends on many issues.
All WH factions are based on shallow historical context. Further to that, we just need the most basic of lore for something or someone to be added as long as there’s further reasons to add it.
Hey your right, someone else can just snap their fingers and oh look, a full Japan Nippon! List.
Just like some fans have taken a few pages, and extrapolated that into the same level of importance as races and factions with decades and books worth of support.
You are completely right, people can put importance on anything, no matter how irrelevant it is.
Congratulations.
No comparison is valid, no logical deduction is meaningful. "Cathay matters!"
Sure man.
You have a habit of throwing your toys out of the park whenever you’re questioned. Many people have given clear arguments for Cathay, however, you always feel the need to reduce your argument to some simple minded cliche which ignores what’s been said in the past.
If you want to keep it simple then I suggest you have this conversation with someone on Twitter.
Arguments for Cathay boil down to 3 things.
1. We dont know. 2. Its for fat China $$$$. 3. The Map.
Anything else is easily dismissed.
It IS that simple.
You don't know if polish and Russian will buy Kislev either.
Because that doesn't matter. They are not making Kislev to appeal to those, they will make Kislev because it fits their vision for the map and lots of fans like them.
But fans have said they would love Cathay. Of course the China market would be interested. The Western markets would purchase Cathay. Would you buy Cathay? A fully fleshed out unit roster with back story lords etc. I would purchase Cathay and I think most of the community would. 3 kingdoms did well in china Cathay will have a similar effect on a different scale.
3k sold well because it's a very popular settings. Generic fantasy China, not so much. Cathay would cost a lot more to make, and take a lot more effort, and by your own arguments companies don't do that.
They would also not be able to make lord packs for it.
Cathy is an amalgamation on pretty much any generic Chinese folklore and there lie its problem, theres nothing "Warhammer" about it. You could get someone who's never even heard of warhammer before to design a generic mythical chinese faction and youd just get current Cathy anyway.
You could say that about any Warhammer faction. It does make me smile when people come across like Prime WH factions are deep and unique fantasy constructs. Bretonnia is a mix of English and French fantasy/culture.
Never said they were, most warhammer factions are pretty damm shallow, but what they have had is decades to build up their own thing, Cathy hasn't, it's the equivalent of putting 1st edition greenskins into the game.
Non of this decides whether Cathay would appear or not. Compare previous lore to Cylostra, it is clear then that amount of lore doesn’t decide whether something appears or not, it depends on many issues.
All WH factions are based on shallow historical context. Further to that, we just need the most basic of lore for something or someone to be added as long as there’s further reasons to add it.
Hey your right, someone else can just snap their fingers and oh look, a full Japan Nippon! List.
Just like some fans have taken a few pages, and extrapolated that into the same level of importance as races and factions with decades and books worth of support.
You are completely right, people can put importance on anything, no matter how irrelevant it is.
Congratulations.
No comparison is valid, no logical deduction is meaningful. "Cathay matters!"
Sure man.
You have a habit of throwing your toys out of the park whenever you’re questioned. Many people have given clear arguments for Cathay, however, you always feel the need to reduce your argument to some simple minded cliche which ignores what’s been said in the past.
If you want to keep it simple then I suggest you have this conversation with someone on Twitter.
Arguments for Cathay boil down to 3 things.
1. We dont know. 2. Its for fat China $$$$. 3. The Map.
Anything else is easily dismissed.
It IS that simple.
Is that what people say? ‘The map’? Is that an argument.
Also, I remember people say 3 Kingdoms was a good idea for the Chinese market. Turned out well.
Absolutely. There is an argument that the map (full world) would only be worthwhile with Cathay.
3 Kingdoms is a cultural touchstone. Relevant to Warhammer? Minimal.
The issue with the map is it’s rather small if we just add the darklands, adding Cathay to ME would bring it up to the standard of the other 2 games.
Paragraph 2 isn’t even remotely an objective argument. As a Cathay based civ would most likely bring in elements of 3K. Also, the idea that 3K is the only cultural reference in China is kind of minimalist in reference to Chinese tastes and cultures.
‘Yeah the Chinese love 3K, can’t get enough.. anything else is meh..’
I have a sneaking suspicion that isn’t even remotely true.
Like how the new Mulan film did well in China...... Oh wait.
Or how 3k dlc sold really well..... Oh wait no
Itcwas described as inauthentic and missed the point of the original story. So yeah, high passion can have the opposite effect, however, that’s nothing like evidence that only 3K sells, which was my point. At no point did I say ignorant versions of Chinese history sell well. Were you even replying to me?
What are you talking about? 3K DLC went to the top of the global Steam sales figures.
The Darklands is still half the size of the other full maps.
Then the Dark Lands + the Mountains of Mourn + the Chaos Wastes map will be bigger than the previous ones. But CA can make areas as big as they want anyway, it's not like they make everything on the 'real' scale.
The Darklands is still half the size of the other full maps.
Then the Dark Lands + the Mountains of Mourn + the Chaos Wastes map will be bigger than the previous ones. But CA can make areas as big as they want anyway, it's not like they make everything on the 'real' scale.
It wouldn’t be though would it, what are these settlements in the Chaos wastes? A single open land mass with mountains and the bottom half missing land. Stretch that out? Sounds amazing (joking - it doesn’t).
It wouldn’t be though would it, what are these settlements in the Chaos wastes? A single open land mass with mountains and the bottom half missing land.
It wouldn’t be though would it, what are these settlements in the Chaos wastes? A single open land mass with mountains and the bottom half missing land.
That's hardly would help me understand what does "the bottom half missing land" mean. As for the settlements, the Chaos Wastes were never as fleshed out as the rest of the world, but that's still more than the Far East has.
That's hardly would help me understand what does "the bottom half missing land" mean. As for the settlements, the Chaos Wastes were never as fleshed out as the rest of the world, but that's still more than the Far East has.
On both maps there’s a land mass at the bottom half, this isn’t true for the darklands.
So, they’re in the same position then? Could go either way then eventually.
Cathy is an amalgamation on pretty much any generic Chinese folklore and there lie its problem, theres nothing "Warhammer" about it. You could get someone who's never even heard of warhammer before to design a generic mythical chinese faction and youd just get current Cathy anyway.
You could say that about any Warhammer faction. It does make me smile when people come across like Prime WH factions are deep and unique fantasy constructs. Bretonnia is a mix of English and French fantasy/culture.
Never said they were, most warhammer factions are pretty damm shallow, but what they have had is decades to build up their own thing, Cathy hasn't, it's the equivalent of putting 1st edition greenskins into the game.
Non of this decides whether Cathay would appear or not. Compare previous lore to Cylostra, it is clear then that amount of lore doesn’t decide whether something appears or not, it depends on many issues.
All WH factions are based on shallow historical context. Further to that, we just need the most basic of lore for something or someone to be added as long as there’s further reasons to add it.
Hey your right, someone else can just snap their fingers and oh look, a full Japan Nippon! List.
Just like some fans have taken a few pages, and extrapolated that into the same level of importance as races and factions with decades and books worth of support.
You are completely right, people can put importance on anything, no matter how irrelevant it is.
Congratulations.
No comparison is valid, no logical deduction is meaningful. "Cathay matters!"
Sure man.
You have a habit of throwing your toys out of the park whenever you’re questioned. Many people have given clear arguments for Cathay, however, you always feel the need to reduce your argument to some simple minded cliche which ignores what’s been said in the past.
If you want to keep it simple then I suggest you have this conversation with someone on Twitter.
Arguments for Cathay boil down to 3 things.
1. We dont know. 2. Its for fat China $$$$. 3. The Map.
Anything else is easily dismissed.
It IS that simple.
Is that what people say? ‘The map’? Is that an argument.
Also, I remember people say 3 Kingdoms was a good idea for the Chinese market. Turned out well.
Absolutely. There is an argument that the map (full world) would only be worthwhile with Cathay.
3 Kingdoms is a cultural touchstone. Relevant to Warhammer? Minimal.
The issue with the map is it’s rather small if we just add the darklands, adding Cathay to ME would bring it up to the standard of the other 2 games.
Paragraph 2 isn’t even remotely an objective argument. As a Cathay based civ would most likely bring in elements of 3K. Also, the idea that 3K is the only cultural reference in China is kind of minimalist in reference to Chinese tastes and cultures.
‘Yeah the Chinese love 3K, can’t get enough.. anything else is meh..’
I have a sneaking suspicion that isn’t even remotely true.
Like how the new Mulan film did well in China...... Oh wait.
Or how 3k dlc sold really well..... Oh wait no
Itcwas described as inauthentic and missed the point of the original story. So yeah, high passion can have the opposite effect, however, that’s nothing like evidence that only 3K sells, which was my point. At no point did I say ignorant versions of Chinese history sell well. Were you even replying to me?
What are you talking about? 3K DLC went to the top of the global Steam sales figures.
CA outrighted admitted they haven't been selling well, they said that's why 3k gets much more communication
No, they aren't. The Chaos Wastes have at least some descriptions, while the Far East doesn't.
The Far East does have descriptions with names places and not forgetting the Dragon Isles is already on the current ME map. Again, theories are fun but that’s all everyone has at the moment. No one’s coming up with anything divinities here.
Cathy is an amalgamation on pretty much any generic Chinese folklore and there lie its problem, theres nothing "Warhammer" about it. You could get someone who's never even heard of warhammer before to design a generic mythical chinese faction and youd just get current Cathy anyway.
You could say that about any Warhammer faction. It does make me smile when people come across like Prime WH factions are deep and unique fantasy constructs. Bretonnia is a mix of English and French fantasy/culture.
Never said they were, most warhammer factions are pretty damm shallow, but what they have had is decades to build up their own thing, Cathy hasn't, it's the equivalent of putting 1st edition greenskins into the game.
Non of this decides whether Cathay would appear or not. Compare previous lore to Cylostra, it is clear then that amount of lore doesn’t decide whether something appears or not, it depends on many issues.
All WH factions are based on shallow historical context. Further to that, we just need the most basic of lore for something or someone to be added as long as there’s further reasons to add it.
Hey your right, someone else can just snap their fingers and oh look, a full Japan Nippon! List.
Just like some fans have taken a few pages, and extrapolated that into the same level of importance as races and factions with decades and books worth of support.
You are completely right, people can put importance on anything, no matter how irrelevant it is.
Congratulations.
No comparison is valid, no logical deduction is meaningful. "Cathay matters!"
Sure man.
You have a habit of throwing your toys out of the park whenever you’re questioned. Many people have given clear arguments for Cathay, however, you always feel the need to reduce your argument to some simple minded cliche which ignores what’s been said in the past.
If you want to keep it simple then I suggest you have this conversation with someone on Twitter.
Arguments for Cathay boil down to 3 things.
1. We dont know. 2. Its for fat China $$$$. 3. The Map.
Anything else is easily dismissed.
It IS that simple.
Is that what people say? ‘The map’? Is that an argument.
Also, I remember people say 3 Kingdoms was a good idea for the Chinese market. Turned out well.
Absolutely. There is an argument that the map (full world) would only be worthwhile with Cathay.
3 Kingdoms is a cultural touchstone. Relevant to Warhammer? Minimal.
The issue with the map is it’s rather small if we just add the darklands, adding Cathay to ME would bring it up to the standard of the other 2 games.
Paragraph 2 isn’t even remotely an objective argument. As a Cathay based civ would most likely bring in elements of 3K. Also, the idea that 3K is the only cultural reference in China is kind of minimalist in reference to Chinese tastes and cultures.
‘Yeah the Chinese love 3K, can’t get enough.. anything else is meh..’
I have a sneaking suspicion that isn’t even remotely true.
Like how the new Mulan film did well in China...... Oh wait.
Or how 3k dlc sold really well..... Oh wait no
Itcwas described as inauthentic and missed the point of the original story. So yeah, high passion can have the opposite effect, however, that’s nothing like evidence that only 3K sells, which was my point. At no point did I say ignorant versions of Chinese history sell well. Were you even replying to me?
What are you talking about? 3K DLC went to the top of the global Steam sales figures.
CA outrighted admitted they haven't been selling well, they said that's why 3k gets much more communication
No, they originally said they weren’t happy with the reviews of their first DLC. However, poor selling DLCs do not shoot to the top of Steam global sales if they’re doing badly.
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1 · Disagree AgreeNot at all. Its not part of the setting in any real way, why bother. Its not Warhammer.
Would I have bought Araby? Yes.
Would I buy Kislev? Yes.
Would I buy DoW? Yes.
Would I buy Southern Realms? Yes.
Nippon or Cathay? No, because they are not actual factions, and I'm not interested in CA fan fiction.
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1 · Disagree Agree4 years for a rehashed map, like I said - great.
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0 · Disagree Agreeso the wiki is correct
#givemoreunitsforbrettonia, my bret dlc
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2 · Disagree AgreeThe Dark Lands will probably get a new look for game 3, especially Dawi Zharr territory, the Mountains of Mourn will probably be unique and a whole labyrinth of twisting paths and valleys and they might extend the Chaos Wastes, as well, with more variation.
Add some parts of the Old World and areas like Nagashizzar, and you'll have a map rivalling the Vortex campaign in terms of size and landmarks.
For WH3's Immortal Empires campaign:
The map will probably extend a bit more to encompass a whole lot more of Lustria and the Southlands. More of the north and east, as well (Chaos Wastes and Mountains of Mourn). Probably bordering the Great Maw.
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0 · Disagree AgreeAlso they have confirmed that Warhammer is their next release, CA isn't a big enough studio to go 1 or 2 years without a game.
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0 · Disagree AgreeOr how 3k dlc sold really well..... Oh wait no
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0 · Disagree AgreeCathay would cost a lot more to make, and take a lot more effort, and by your own arguments companies don't do that.
They would also not be able to make lord packs for it.
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1 · Disagree AgreeWhat are you talking about? 3K DLC went to the top of the global Steam sales figures.
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0 · Disagree AgreeAs for the settlements, the Chaos Wastes were never as fleshed out as the rest of the world, but that's still more than the Far East has.
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0 · Disagree AgreeSo, they’re in the same position then? Could go either way then eventually.
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0 · Disagree AgreeNeither are looked at in much detail although landmarks appear in both.
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1 · Disagree AgreeTamurkhan shows a few locations around Zanba'jin, as well. More to the East.
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