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You can find them in the Throne of Chaos, for example.
‘Them’, not really an argument that the wastes are more viable than the east.
Neither are looked at in much detail although landmarks appear in both.
The Warriors of Chaos armybook 8th edition has plenty of Landmarks in the Chaos Wastes, even though they're mostly above Norsca.
Tamurkhan shows a few locations around Zanba'jin, as well. More to the East.
How many? Are they settlements? Can they be used by other races?
Do a direct contrast with what we know about the East. I assume you know both thoroughly or you wouldn’t be arguing would you?
More than a dozen, not all of them settlements (but the New World has the same 'issue'), and probably not all of them in a suitable climate, but they could still function as settlements. Examples: - Karak Dum - Zanbaijin - The Writhing Fortress - Monolith of the Void - Blood Marshes - The Crystal Spires - The Howling Citadel - Pillar of Skulls - Tower of Torment - Dragon's Death - The Gallows Tree - The Challenge Stone etc.
You can easily google the maps (Chaos Wastes, or Tamurkhan maps)
Cathay only has 2-4 known settlements: Nangau, Weijin and the Great Bastion. Maybe a place or 3 have been mentioned in RPG books, and there's the Tower of Ashair, obviously, but that's it.Then there's also the fact of there being the Warpstone Desert and the Great Maw forming a space of nothingness between Cathay and The Mountains of Mourn.
Cathy is an amalgamation on pretty much any generic Chinese folklore and there lie its problem, theres nothing "Warhammer" about it. You could get someone who's never even heard of warhammer before to design a generic mythical chinese faction and youd just get current Cathy anyway.
You could say that about any Warhammer faction. It does make me smile when people come across like Prime WH factions are deep and unique fantasy constructs. Bretonnia is a mix of English and French fantasy/culture.
Never said they were, most warhammer factions are pretty damm shallow, but what they have had is decades to build up their own thing, Cathy hasn't, it's the equivalent of putting 1st edition greenskins into the game.
Non of this decides whether Cathay would appear or not. Compare previous lore to Cylostra, it is clear then that amount of lore doesn’t decide whether something appears or not, it depends on many issues.
All WH factions are based on shallow historical context. Further to that, we just need the most basic of lore for something or someone to be added as long as there’s further reasons to add it.
Hey your right, someone else can just snap their fingers and oh look, a full Japan Nippon! List.
Just like some fans have taken a few pages, and extrapolated that into the same level of importance as races and factions with decades and books worth of support.
You are completely right, people can put importance on anything, no matter how irrelevant it is.
Congratulations.
No comparison is valid, no logical deduction is meaningful. "Cathay matters!"
Sure man.
You have a habit of throwing your toys out of the park whenever you’re questioned. Many people have given clear arguments for Cathay, however, you always feel the need to reduce your argument to some simple minded cliche which ignores what’s been said in the past.
If you want to keep it simple then I suggest you have this conversation with someone on Twitter.
Arguments for Cathay boil down to 3 things.
1. We dont know. 2. Its for fat China $$$$. 3. The Map.
Anything else is easily dismissed.
It IS that simple.
You don't know if polish and Russian will buy Kislev either.
Because that doesn't matter. They are not making Kislev to appeal to those, they will make Kislev because it fits their vision for the map and lots of fans like them.
But fans have said they would love Cathay. Of course the China market would be interested. The Western markets would purchase Cathay. Would you buy Cathay? A fully fleshed out unit roster with back story lords etc. I would purchase Cathay and I think most of the community would. 3 kingdoms did well in china Cathay will have a similar effect on a different scale.
Cathy is an amalgamation on pretty much any generic Chinese folklore and there lie its problem, theres nothing "Warhammer" about it. You could get someone who's never even heard of warhammer before to design a generic mythical chinese faction and youd just get current Cathy anyway.
You could say that about any Warhammer faction. It does make me smile when people come across like Prime WH factions are deep and unique fantasy constructs. Bretonnia is a mix of English and French fantasy/culture.
Never said they were, most warhammer factions are pretty damm shallow, but what they have had is decades to build up their own thing, Cathy hasn't, it's the equivalent of putting 1st edition greenskins into the game.
Non of this decides whether Cathay would appear or not. Compare previous lore to Cylostra, it is clear then that amount of lore doesn’t decide whether something appears or not, it depends on many issues.
All WH factions are based on shallow historical context. Further to that, we just need the most basic of lore for something or someone to be added as long as there’s further reasons to add it.
Hey your right, someone else can just snap their fingers and oh look, a full Japan Nippon! List.
Just like some fans have taken a few pages, and extrapolated that into the same level of importance as races and factions with decades and books worth of support.
You are completely right, people can put importance on anything, no matter how irrelevant it is.
Congratulations.
No comparison is valid, no logical deduction is meaningful. "Cathay matters!"
Sure man.
You have a habit of throwing your toys out of the park whenever you’re questioned. Many people have given clear arguments for Cathay, however, you always feel the need to reduce your argument to some simple minded cliche which ignores what’s been said in the past.
If you want to keep it simple then I suggest you have this conversation with someone on Twitter.
Arguments for Cathay boil down to 3 things.
1. We dont know. 2. Its for fat China $$$$. 3. The Map.
Anything else is easily dismissed.
It IS that simple.
You don't know if polish and Russian will buy Kislev either.
Because that doesn't matter. They are not making Kislev to appeal to those, they will make Kislev because it fits their vision for the map and lots of fans like them.
But fans have said they would love Cathay. Of course the China market would be interested. The Western markets would purchase Cathay. Would you buy Cathay? A fully fleshed out unit roster with back story lords etc. I would purchase Cathay and I think most of the community would. 3 kingdoms did well in china Cathay will have a similar effect on a different scale.
3k sold well because it's a very popular settings. Generic fantasy China, not so much. Cathay would cost a lot more to make, and take a lot more effort, and by your own arguments companies don't do that.
They would also not be able to make lord packs for it.
Cathay would cost a lot ion comparison to what exactly? My argument is Cathay would sell well in the west and probably China. The amount of effort Cathay would be compared to 3k is a lot less. Sure I'll give nod that Kislev will be easier. My argument is simple they already have your dollar but their is a lot more money to be made with expanding race packs. If Warhammer 3 just has Darklands no Chaos waste and only Chaos Dwards DoC, Ogres and no Kislev. I'm guessing you'll still buy the game. That's the problem with modern gaming is that people buy a game years before its even announced. We need to encourage companies to make the best product they can make.
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- Karak Dum
- Zanbaijin
- The Writhing Fortress
- Monolith of the Void
- Blood Marshes
- The Crystal Spires
- The Howling Citadel
- Pillar of Skulls
- Tower of Torment
- Dragon's Death
- The Gallows Tree
- The Challenge Stone
etc.
You can easily google the maps (Chaos Wastes, or Tamurkhan maps)
Cathay only has 2-4 known settlements: Nangau, Weijin and the Great Bastion. Maybe a place or 3 have been mentioned in RPG books, and there's the Tower of Ashair, obviously, but that's it.Then there's also the fact of there being the Warpstone Desert and the Great Maw forming a space of nothingness between Cathay and The Mountains of Mourn.
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