Just another Warhammer and CA Time Table Prediction

Dendrofiel

Hee guys! This is my first post here. I have been obsessively thinking for a while about how the future of Warhammer Total War and CA as a company looks like. I am still very qurious to hear their plan, but I have been trying to reconstruct what it would look like. I hope you enjoy the post and I would love to hear your idea's here.

General Warhammer: Warhammer will reach it's final instalment in game 3 and I think it will be the biggest instalment for the game. Difficulties for the game are: creating a balance between impulsive consumer attraction and monetising the previous 2 instalments as it might feel unattractive to invest in a game that is "incomplete" and requires such a large investment to fully enjoy to some of the audience, another difficulty I suspect is the lack of more "mainstream" or "pretty" factions like High Elves. These factions could possibly scale down the scope of Warhammer 3, however I am positive about this not being the case. The reason I think Warhammer 3 will not scale down the scope, is due to it's accessible and profitable solutions. I also believe the main focus of Warhammer 3 is to up the stakes and hold nothing back in terms of epic characters and scope of the game.

Warhammer 2: As announced there will be one more DLC to be released for Warhammer 2 (excluding pre order). I think the predicted Vampire Counts and Dark Elves is correct. The Free LL is more unclear as both factions stand on 5 LL and to current cap is 6. I think it's gonna be Nagash for count's and a free LL linked to this event. My best guess for free LL is Boris Todbringer.

Warhammer 3: I think Warhammer 3 will integrate with Warhammer 1 units (excluding LL's) and start with 12 playable faction Mortal Empires Campaign.

Game 1:

Empire: 2 (Kurt Helborg or *reworked* Karl Franz & Luthor Hess) LL's - Dwarfs: 2 (Grimm Burlocksson or Malakai Makaisson & Josef Bugman) LL's - Chaos: 2 (Archeon *reworked* & Sayl the Faithless) LL's - Norsca: 1 or 2 LL's (Mortkin &/or Melekh the Changer)- Beastmen 1 (Gorthor) LL - Greenskins 1 (Gorbad) LL

Unplayable; Bretonia - Woodelf - Vampire Count's

New: Pre-Order DLC Dog's of War (Borgio, Lorenzo Lupo). Ingame: Kislev (Tzarina Katarin, Boris Ursus) , Khorne (Skarbrand the Exiled, Valkia the Bloody), Slanesh (N'Kari, Dechala), Tzeentch (Kairos Fateweaver, Vilitch the Curseling), Nurgle (Ku'Gath Plaguefather, Valnir the Reaper)

DLC: Chaos Dwarf's - Ogre Kingdom's and maybe: Hobgoblins, Cathay, Nippon

Other DLC I think will be Simelar

Other projects:

I expect the next sage to be set in the 18th century and revolve around the Revolutions of the revolutionairy powers in US and France against the succesional powers of Britain and Spain. Maybe expanded if succesfull to like Dutch, Ottomans, Austria, Russia, Sweden ect. Troy might get 1 DLC when it releases on Steam that is free with a full Purchase of the game and cost like 10 Euro on the Epic Store. After that we will move on to Total War Medieval 3 in 2024.

Hope you enjoyed the post!

Edit: 2 more Dog's of War LL I expect to be added with each faction DLC.

lucibuis#6195

no

General_Hijalti#1213

No no way they make ogres and CD dlc

Dendrofiel

General_Hijalti said:

No no way they make ogres and CD dlc

I think this is to niché for the final part of a trilogy and a stand alone game that needs to be attractive a wider audiance. Kislev, Daemons, Ogre & Chaos Dwarfs would not be an attractive line up and to much of a challenge to sell DLC for. That's why I expect such a wide variety of races to preserve Ogre Kingdoms and Chaos dwarfs to be added later with 4 unique LL's.

lucibuis#6195

Dendrofiel said:

General_Hijalti said:

No no way they make ogres and CD dlc

I think this is to niché for the final part of a trilogy and a stand alone game that needs to be attractive a wider audiance. Kislev, Daemons, Ogre & Chaos Dwarfs would not be an attractive line up and to much of a challenge to sell DLC for. That's why I expect such a wide variety of races to preserve Ogre Kingdoms and Chaos dwarfs to be added later with 4 unique LL's.

I agree with you but making other races playable would kind of rip off people who bought previous games...

If they do immortal empires only then yes

Dendrofiel

lucibuis said:

Dendrofiel said:

General_Hijalti said:

No no way they make ogres and CD dlc

I think this is to niché for the final part of a trilogy and a stand alone game that needs to be attractive a wider audiance. Kislev, Daemons, Ogre & Chaos Dwarfs would not be an attractive line up and to much of a challenge to sell DLC for. That's why I expect such a wide variety of races to preserve Ogre Kingdoms and Chaos dwarfs to be added later with 4 unique LL's.

I agree with you but making other races playable would kind of rip off people who bought previous games...

If they do immortal empires only then yes

Well it would be excluded to game 1 (that has allot less sales than 2, so about half who bought 2 never bought part 1). Game 1 is a very old game that was not supported as long. You also would still have the value of the exclusive LL's and the 3 unplayable races. I think they will only do immortal empires as the vast majority of players prefers to play this mode apart from those who wish a more scripted and detailed (story) campaign. I expect them to merge the two for the new and refurbished races and (later) add an optional "sandbox" mode that ignores these features.

Selakah#1254

I suspect either Ogres or Chaos Dwarfs will be a Campaign Pack for WH3. Both races work very well as a one-off DLC where CA can cover pretty much all of their units and main characters. Trying to come up with thematic Lord Packs for either race becomes difficult (Chaos Dwarfs vs. Dwarfs? Ogres vs. Greenskins?), and the character options are not that exciting (are there even 4 named Chaos Dwarf candidates for Legendary Lord?).

lucibuis#6195

Selakah said:

I suspect either Ogres or Chaos Dwarfs will be a Campaign Pack for WH3. Both races work very well as a one-off DLC where CA can cover pretty much all of their units and main characters. Trying to come up with thematic Lord Packs for either race becomes difficult (Chaos Dwarfs vs. Dwarfs? Ogres vs. Greenskins?), and the character options are not that exciting (are there even 4 named Chaos Dwarf candidates for Legendary Lord?).

I wonder when they planned the trilogy did they realize game 3 would have mostly minor races in it? They must have some sort of plan because a game with demons chaos dwarves ogres and kislev doesn’t look very appealing to me, unless it bring new gameplay features like new sieges, naval battles, etc

Selakah#1254

lucibuis said:

Selakah said:

I suspect either Ogres or Chaos Dwarfs will be a Campaign Pack for WH3. Both races work very well as a one-off DLC where CA can cover pretty much all of their units and main characters. Trying to come up with thematic Lord Packs for either race becomes difficult (Chaos Dwarfs vs. Dwarfs? Ogres vs. Greenskins?), and the character options are not that exciting (are there even 4 named Chaos Dwarf candidates for Legendary Lord?).

I wonder when they planned the trilogy did they realize game 3 would have mostly minor races in it? They must have some sort of plan because a game with demons chaos dwarves ogres and kislev doesn’t look very appealing to me, unless it bring new gameplay features like new sieges, naval battles, etc

I'd argue that the Daemons of Chaos and the Four Chaos Gods are the complete opposite of "minor races". I know there is a very vocal contingent of folks on these forums who are against the idea of Game 3 being "only" Chaos, but the Chaos Gods, and by extension, the Daemons of Chaos, have a LOT of rich lore behind them, lots of material from where to draw from, and the Daemons themselves were probably the most popular Tabletop army.

I'm pretty sure CA has planned for this very carefully.

lucibuis#6195

Selakah said:

lucibuis said:

Selakah said:

I suspect either Ogres or Chaos Dwarfs will be a Campaign Pack for WH3. Both races work very well as a one-off DLC where CA can cover pretty much all of their units and main characters. Trying to come up with thematic Lord Packs for either race becomes difficult (Chaos Dwarfs vs. Dwarfs? Ogres vs. Greenskins?), and the character options are not that exciting (are there even 4 named Chaos Dwarf candidates for Legendary Lord?).

I wonder when they planned the trilogy did they realize game 3 would have mostly minor races in it? They must have some sort of plan because a game with demons chaos dwarves ogres and kislev doesn’t look very appealing to me, unless it bring new gameplay features like new sieges, naval battles, etc

I'd argue that the Daemons of Chaos and the Four Chaos Gods are the complete opposite of "minor races". I know there is a very vocal contingent of folks on these forums who are against the idea of Game 3 being "only" Chaos, but the Chaos Gods, and by extension, the Daemons of Chaos, have a LOT of rich lore behind them, lots of material from where to draw from, and the Daemons themselves were probably the most popular Tabletop army.

I'm pretty sure CA has planned for this very carefully.

demons are the only important race but compare it to game 1 and game 2... where all of the base races are huge, Also, I don't think a game focused on demons of chaos will sell well

Timpeyo#7210

Not so sure about this but nice too see an interesting take on things, my bet would still be on DE v BM LP with BM Flc, Kislev as pre order. Main races for game three Ogres, CD and two DoC separate god races. A Nagash race/faction and the other two DoC armies as dlc. Plus hopefully CA will still intoduce cross game LPs or Flc LLs for old races during game three. Personally I don't really see DoW being there own race

JungleElf#8229

You have monstrous Ogres with Ice Age creatures, heavily armoured evil Dwarfs and armies of Daemonic horrors.

What's not to like; They're all as unique as they can be.

DeadpoolSW#7283

I have so many issues with this post, I'll just do my own ideas for upcoming content:

BM vs DE w/BM FLC

Pre-Order: Minor race/WoC overhaul/Nagash

Game 3 cores: DoC, Chaos Dwarfs, Ogre Kingdoms, Kislev

DLC 1: Dogs of War

DLC 2: Ogre Kingdoms vs Chaos Dwarfs

DLC 3: Cathay

DLC 4: Kislev vs Daemons of Chaos

After this:

There would then be a few game 3 vs game 1/2 LPs, after which they can make LPs using any 2 races from any of the 3 games.

Hopefully some more race packs, such as Hobgoblin Khanate, Nagash (if not preorder), and any other minor races.

The introduction of character packs, which introduce 4-6 FLC level characters from various races, perhaps united by a single theme.

Surge_2#1464

lucibuis said:

Selakah said:

I suspect either Ogres or Chaos Dwarfs will be a Campaign Pack for WH3. Both races work very well as a one-off DLC where CA can cover pretty much all of their units and main characters. Trying to come up with thematic Lord Packs for either race becomes difficult (Chaos Dwarfs vs. Dwarfs? Ogres vs. Greenskins?), and the character options are not that exciting (are there even 4 named Chaos Dwarf candidates for Legendary Lord?).

I wonder when they planned the trilogy did they realize game 3 would have mostly minor races in it? They must have some sort of plan because a game with demons chaos dwarves ogres and kislev doesn’t look very appealing to me, unless it bring new gameplay features like new sieges, naval battles, etc

Minor.

*the majority of Chaos*

They saved the most important macro faction, Chaos, for the end.

General_Hijalti#1213

Dendrofiel said:

General_Hijalti said:

No no way they make ogres and CD dlc

I think this is to niché for the final part of a trilogy and a stand alone game that needs to be attractive a wider audiance. Kislev, Daemons, Ogre & Chaos Dwarfs would not be an attractive line up and to much of a challenge to sell DLC for. That's why I expect such a wide variety of races to preserve Ogre Kingdoms and Chaos dwarfs to be added later with 4 unique LL's.

How would Kislev, daemons, ogres and chaos dwarfs be less attractive than Kislev and daemons.

lucibuis#6195

Surge_2 said:

lucibuis said:

Selakah said:

I suspect either Ogres or Chaos Dwarfs will be a Campaign Pack for WH3. Both races work very well as a one-off DLC where CA can cover pretty much all of their units and main characters. Trying to come up with thematic Lord Packs for either race becomes difficult (Chaos Dwarfs vs. Dwarfs? Ogres vs. Greenskins?), and the character options are not that exciting (are there even 4 named Chaos Dwarf candidates for Legendary Lord?).

I wonder when they planned the trilogy did they realize game 3 would have mostly minor races in it? They must have some sort of plan because a game with demons chaos dwarves ogres and kislev doesn’t look very appealing to me, unless it bring new gameplay features like new sieges, naval battles, etc

Minor.

*the majority of Chaos*

They saved the most important macro faction, Chaos, for the end.

Warrior or chaos > demons of chaos in lore and popularity

I didn’t play whfb but I I knew warriors of chaos because they are iconic, never heard of demons of chaos before this game

General_Hijalti#1213

Selakah said:

I suspect either Ogres or Chaos Dwarfs will be a Campaign Pack for WH3. Both races work very well as a one-off DLC where CA can cover pretty much all of their units and main characters. Trying to come up with thematic Lord Packs for either race becomes difficult (Chaos Dwarfs vs. Dwarfs? Ogres vs. Greenskins?), and the character options are not that exciting (are there even 4 named Chaos Dwarf candidates for Legendary Lord?).

Astragoth Ironhand, Zhatan the black, Drazhoath the ashen, Rykarth the unbreakable, the black dwarf.

Maybe also Tordrek Hackhart, Ghorth the cruel and Gorduz backstabber.

General_Hijalti#1213

Selakah said:

lucibuis said:

Selakah said:

I suspect either Ogres or Chaos Dwarfs will be a Campaign Pack for WH3. Both races work very well as a one-off DLC where CA can cover pretty much all of their units and main characters. Trying to come up with thematic Lord Packs for either race becomes difficult (Chaos Dwarfs vs. Dwarfs? Ogres vs. Greenskins?), and the character options are not that exciting (are there even 4 named Chaos Dwarf candidates for Legendary Lord?).

I wonder when they planned the trilogy did they realize game 3 would have mostly minor races in it? They must have some sort of plan because a game with demons chaos dwarves ogres and kislev doesn’t look very appealing to me, unless it bring new gameplay features like new sieges, naval battles, etc

I'd argue that the Daemons of Chaos and the Four Chaos Gods are the complete opposite of "minor races". I know there is a very vocal contingent of folks on these forums who are against the idea of Game 3 being "only" Chaos, but the Chaos Gods, and by extension, the Daemons of Chaos, have a LOT of rich lore behind them, lots of material from where to draw from, and the Daemons themselves were probably the most popular Tabletop army.

I'm pretty sure CA has planned for this very carefully.

Daemons were not the most popular tabletop army. Warriors of chaos were.

Daemons were pretty low with only Wood Elves, Ogres, Beastmen and Tomb Kings, under them

Dendrofiel

General_Hijalti said:

Dendrofiel said:

General_Hijalti said:

No no way they make ogres and CD dlc

I think this is to niché for the final part of a trilogy and a stand alone game that needs to be attractive a wider audiance. Kislev, Daemons, Ogre & Chaos Dwarfs would not be an attractive line up and to much of a challenge to sell DLC for. That's why I expect such a wide variety of races to preserve Ogre Kingdoms and Chaos dwarfs to be added later with 4 unique LL's.

How would Kislev, daemons, ogres and chaos dwarfs be less attractive than Kislev and daemons.

Because you'd have to sell DLC for them and Daemons have allot more to draw from and are pretty distinct from each other if you order them by god.

lucibuis#6195

General_Hijalti said:

Selakah said:

lucibuis said:

Selakah said:

I suspect either Ogres or Chaos Dwarfs will be a Campaign Pack for WH3. Both races work very well as a one-off DLC where CA can cover pretty much all of their units and main characters. Trying to come up with thematic Lord Packs for either race becomes difficult (Chaos Dwarfs vs. Dwarfs? Ogres vs. Greenskins?), and the character options are not that exciting (are there even 4 named Chaos Dwarf candidates for Legendary Lord?).

I wonder when they planned the trilogy did they realize game 3 would have mostly minor races in it? They must have some sort of plan because a game with demons chaos dwarves ogres and kislev doesn’t look very appealing to me, unless it bring new gameplay features like new sieges, naval battles, etc

I'd argue that the Daemons of Chaos and the Four Chaos Gods are the complete opposite of "minor races". I know there is a very vocal contingent of folks on these forums who are against the idea of Game 3 being "only" Chaos, but the Chaos Gods, and by extension, the Daemons of Chaos, have a LOT of rich lore behind them, lots of material from where to draw from, and the Daemons themselves were probably the most popular Tabletop army.

I'm pretty sure CA has planned for this very carefully.

Daemons were not the most popular tabletop army. Warriors of chaos were.

Daemons were pretty low with only Wood Elves, Ogres, Beastmen and Tomb Kings, under them

No, we saw the stats some years ago, wood elves when mid tier

General_Hijalti#1213

Dendrofiel said:

General_Hijalti said:

Dendrofiel said:

General_Hijalti said:

No no way they make ogres and CD dlc

I think this is to niché for the final part of a trilogy and a stand alone game that needs to be attractive a wider audiance. Kislev, Daemons, Ogre & Chaos Dwarfs would not be an attractive line up and to much of a challenge to sell DLC for. That's why I expect such a wide variety of races to preserve Ogre Kingdoms and Chaos dwarfs to be added later with 4 unique LL's.

How would Kislev, daemons, ogres and chaos dwarfs be less attractive than Kislev and daemons.

Because you'd have to sell DLC for them and Daemons have allot more to draw from and are pretty distinct from each other if you order them by god.

Daemons are way less distinct that separate races.

Also daemons don't have enough for 4 rosters.

Would also make for a pretty boring game.
Red daemons Vs purple daemons, Vs green daemons Vs blue and pink daemons.

Surge_2#1464

lucibuis said:

Surge_2 said:

lucibuis said:

Selakah said:

I suspect either Ogres or Chaos Dwarfs will be a Campaign Pack for WH3. Both races work very well as a one-off DLC where CA can cover pretty much all of their units and main characters. Trying to come up with thematic Lord Packs for either race becomes difficult (Chaos Dwarfs vs. Dwarfs? Ogres vs. Greenskins?), and the character options are not that exciting (are there even 4 named Chaos Dwarf candidates for Legendary Lord?).

I wonder when they planned the trilogy did they realize game 3 would have mostly minor races in it? They must have some sort of plan because a game with demons chaos dwarves ogres and kislev doesn’t look very appealing to me, unless it bring new gameplay features like new sieges, naval battles, etc

Minor.

*the majority of Chaos*

They saved the most important macro faction, Chaos, for the end.

Warrior or chaos > demons of chaos in lore and popularity

I didn’t play whfb but I I knew warriors of chaos because they are iconic, never heard of demons of chaos before this game

Your personal failings are not a reflection on the importance of Chaos.

#25795

Dendrofiel said:

General_Hijalti said:

Dendrofiel said:

General_Hijalti said:

No no way they make ogres and CD dlc

I think this is to niché for the final part of a trilogy and a stand alone game that needs to be attractive a wider audiance. Kislev, Daemons, Ogre & Chaos Dwarfs would not be an attractive line up and to much of a challenge to sell DLC for. That's why I expect such a wide variety of races to preserve Ogre Kingdoms and Chaos dwarfs to be added later with 4 unique LL's.

How would Kislev, daemons, ogres and chaos dwarfs be less attractive than Kislev and daemons.

Because you'd have to sell DLC for them and Daemons have allot more to draw from and are pretty distinct from each other if you order them by god.

Wait whuh???
A OK, CD, Kislev and DoC race lineup would be less attractive because you'd have to sell DLC for them? The thing CA has been doing for literally almost every race in both games as it is? What are you on about?
That they're niche and unpopular is purely based off your opinion, most people on this forum (even, I'd dare say, some of the pro monogod fans) would want at the very least OK and CD is the third game, bare minimum.

Dendrofiel

Araethon said:

Dendrofiel said:

General_Hijalti said:

Dendrofiel said:

General_Hijalti said:

No no way they make ogres and CD dlc

I think this is to niché for the final part of a trilogy and a stand alone game that needs to be attractive a wider audiance. Kislev, Daemons, Ogre & Chaos Dwarfs would not be an attractive line up and to much of a challenge to sell DLC for. That's why I expect such a wide variety of races to preserve Ogre Kingdoms and Chaos dwarfs to be added later with 4 unique LL's.

How would Kislev, daemons, ogres and chaos dwarfs be less attractive than Kislev and daemons.

Because you'd have to sell DLC for them and Daemons have allot more to draw from and are pretty distinct from each other if you order them by god.

Wait whuh???
A OK, CD, Kislev and DoC race lineup would be less attractive because you'd have to sell DLC for them? The thing CA has been doing for literally almost every race in both games as it is? What are you on about?
That they're niche and unpopular is purely based off your opinion, most people on this forum (even, I'd dare say, some of the pro monogod fans) would want at the very least OK and CD is the third game, bare minimum.

If it would play out this way... OK and CD would be in the third game as DLC factions. Here on the forum are a fraction of the people who buy the game and are very informed about Warhammer and Total War in general. Indeed CA has been releasing DLC for almost every race that where in the main line-up. That's why I think OK and CD will be DLC. I personally think Daemons have allot more quality source material and one can even look for inspiration at Age of Sigmar where the Daemon line-up is more expanded. One Daemon factions would not do justice to the Daemons and would get bloated with similar units or see those units cut from the roster like for the Greenskins. Also the Daemons are pretty awesome and with such an expanded roster of factions would not feel to central, but would feel as an integral part of the game.

Surge_2#1464

Dendrofiel said:

Araethon said:

Dendrofiel said:

General_Hijalti said:

Dendrofiel said:

General_Hijalti said:

No no way they make ogres and CD dlc

I think this is to niché for the final part of a trilogy and a stand alone game that needs to be attractive a wider audiance. Kislev, Daemons, Ogre & Chaos Dwarfs would not be an attractive line up and to much of a challenge to sell DLC for. That's why I expect such a wide variety of races to preserve Ogre Kingdoms and Chaos dwarfs to be added later with 4 unique LL's.

How would Kislev, daemons, ogres and chaos dwarfs be less attractive than Kislev and daemons.

Because you'd have to sell DLC for them and Daemons have allot more to draw from and are pretty distinct from each other if you order them by god.

Wait whuh???
A OK, CD, Kislev and DoC race lineup would be less attractive because you'd have to sell DLC for them? The thing CA has been doing for literally almost every race in both games as it is? What are you on about?
That they're niche and unpopular is purely based off your opinion, most people on this forum (even, I'd dare say, some of the pro monogod fans) would want at the very least OK and CD is the third game, bare minimum.

If it would play out this way... OK and CD would be in the third game as DLC factions. Here on the forum are a fraction of the people who buy the game and are very informed about Warhammer and Total War in general. Indeed CA has been releasing DLC for almost every race that where in the main line-up. That's why I think OK and CD will be DLC. I personally think Daemons have allot more quality source material and one can even look for inspiration at Age of Sigmar where the Daemon line-up is more expanded. One Daemon factions would not do justice to the Daemons and would get bloated with similar units or see those units cut from the roster like for the Greenskins. Also the Daemons are pretty awesome and with such an expanded roster of factions would not feel to central, but would feel as an integral part of the game.

Daemons will be in one Race on release.

100% has to happen.

JungleElf#8229

They've said they follow armybooks for factions, Daemons included. An armybook = 1 faction/race.

They'll 100% be their own thing.

Dendrofiel

Maybe. You are abit convincing yea. I missed the statement about the Armybook. I also think the same base concept about Mortal Empires with a story campaign and an expanded faction roster would remain very likely.
I would have questions about a Darklands set game such as:

How would you imagine DLC in general? Like in terms of Factions and Lord packs ect.

Who would be the DLC factions? Far east is pretty popular in 3k and Shogun are familiar to Total War fans, so it's not unlikely people would love their addition. However doing 2 factions would make the east feel very empty and lead to the same problems as in the Southlands. It's improved allot, but it was dull compared to some others. It's a large expansion to the map, that we are all extremely curious about but im unsure if it would not feel cut off from all the action.

Don't you think the story would lack an antagonist?

Don't you think a game set in the Darklands would be to narrow of scope and thereby niché? I don't know how representative the forum is to the larger audience.

Surge_2#1464

Dendrofiel said:

Maybe. You are abit convincing yea. I missed the statement about the Armybook. I also think the same base concept about Mortal Empires with a story campaign and an expanded faction roster would remain very likely.
I would have questions about a Darklands set game such as:

How would you imagine DLC in general? Like in terms of Factions and Lord packs ect.

...

Don't you think the story would lack an antagonist?

Don't you think a game set in the Darklands would be to narrow of scope and thereby niché? I don't know how representative the forum is to the larger audience.

Kislev or DoW/Southern Empires (I lean towards DoW/TEB)
Chaos Daemons
Ogres
Chaos Dwarves

Dark Lands
Southlands
Chaos Wastes
Northern Steppes
Mountains of Mourn
Kislev Temperate Zone (lol? I Dont know what you want to call this)

You have Deserts, Wastes, Forests, Grasslands, Steppe, Frozen, Mountain, Jungle, easily.

Pre Order or DLC Options

Kislev - Pre Order IMO.
God Packs for Daemons. They wont release the full roster. That will take several DLC for Daemons to realize.
Lord Packs (2 probably) for Ogres. I wont try to break this up, but they have a full Army Book, its not hard.
Lord Packs for DoW/TEB. This is a vast pool of units, lords, and characters. Find yourself a copy of the 5th Edition Army Book, its quite cool.
1 DLC Pack for every Game 1 or Game 2 Race. Easy enough to justify.

Race Packs

This is where its getting tough, and imo CA will need to get creative, unless we simply look instead at Lord Packs being the major source of supplemental income.

General_Hijalti#1213

Dendrofiel said:

Araethon said:

Dendrofiel said:

General_Hijalti said:

Dendrofiel said:

General_Hijalti said:

No no way they make ogres and CD dlc

I think this is to niché for the final part of a trilogy and a stand alone game that needs to be attractive a wider audiance. Kislev, Daemons, Ogre & Chaos Dwarfs would not be an attractive line up and to much of a challenge to sell DLC for. That's why I expect such a wide variety of races to preserve Ogre Kingdoms and Chaos dwarfs to be added later with 4 unique LL's.

How would Kislev, daemons, ogres and chaos dwarfs be less attractive than Kislev and daemons.

Because you'd have to sell DLC for them and Daemons have allot more to draw from and are pretty distinct from each other if you order them by god.

Wait whuh???
A OK, CD, Kislev and DoC race lineup would be less attractive because you'd have to sell DLC for them? The thing CA has been doing for literally almost every race in both games as it is? What are you on about?
That they're niche and unpopular is purely based off your opinion, most people on this forum (even, I'd dare say, some of the pro monogod fans) would want at the very least OK and CD is the third game, bare minimum.

If it would play out this way... OK and CD would be in the third game as DLC factions. Here on the forum are a fraction of the people who buy the game and are very informed about Warhammer and Total War in general. Indeed CA has been releasing DLC for almost every race that where in the main line-up. That's why I think OK and CD will be DLC. I personally think Daemons have allot more quality source material and one can even look for inspiration at Age of Sigmar where the Daemon line-up is more expanded. One Daemon factions would not do justice to the Daemons and would get bloated with similar units or see those units cut from the roster like for the Greenskins. Also the Daemons are pretty awesome and with such an expanded roster of factions would not feel to central, but would feel as an integral part of the game.

Have you seen the Daemon army book, it doesn't have that many units.

Ignoring endless reskins of greater daemons with slightly different stats

#25795

General_Hijalti said:

Dendrofiel said:

Araethon said:

Dendrofiel said:

General_Hijalti said:

Dendrofiel said:

General_Hijalti said:

No no way they make ogres and CD dlc

I think this is to niché for the final part of a trilogy and a stand alone game that needs to be attractive a wider audiance. Kislev, Daemons, Ogre & Chaos Dwarfs would not be an attractive line up and to much of a challenge to sell DLC for. That's why I expect such a wide variety of races to preserve Ogre Kingdoms and Chaos dwarfs to be added later with 4 unique LL's.

How would Kislev, daemons, ogres and chaos dwarfs be less attractive than Kislev and daemons.

Because you'd have to sell DLC for them and Daemons have allot more to draw from and are pretty distinct from each other if you order them by god.

Wait whuh???
A OK, CD, Kislev and DoC race lineup would be less attractive because you'd have to sell DLC for them? The thing CA has been doing for literally almost every race in both games as it is? What are you on about?
That they're niche and unpopular is purely based off your opinion, most people on this forum (even, I'd dare say, some of the pro monogod fans) would want at the very least OK and CD is the third game, bare minimum.

If it would play out this way... OK and CD would be in the third game as DLC factions. Here on the forum are a fraction of the people who buy the game and are very informed about Warhammer and Total War in general. Indeed CA has been releasing DLC for almost every race that where in the main line-up. That's why I think OK and CD will be DLC. I personally think Daemons have allot more quality source material and one can even look for inspiration at Age of Sigmar where the Daemon line-up is more expanded. One Daemon factions would not do justice to the Daemons and would get bloated with similar units or see those units cut from the roster like for the Greenskins. Also the Daemons are pretty awesome and with such an expanded roster of factions would not feel to central, but would feel as an integral part of the game.

Have you seen the Daemon army book, it doesn't have that many units.

Ignoring endless reskins of greater daemons with slightly different stats

Agreed. I'd say a lot of people look at the combined DoC roster and think "Ye, this is too big for one race, lets split it into four different races". Problem is those 4 individual rosters are a lot smaller so often they'll supplment it with units from other races (such as marked gors from BM or the various warriors from WoC). Best case scenario will be to simply have a big race on launch with 3-4 LPs over the course of game 3.

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Dendrofiel said:

lucibuis said:

Dendrofiel said:

General_Hijalti said:

No no way they make ogres and CD dlc

I think this is to niché for the final part of a trilogy and a stand alone game that needs to be attractive a wider audiance. Kislev, Daemons, Ogre & Chaos Dwarfs would not be an attractive line up and to much of a challenge to sell DLC for. That's why I expect such a wide variety of races to preserve Ogre Kingdoms and Chaos dwarfs to be added later with 4 unique LL's.

I agree with you but making other races playable would kind of rip off people who bought previous games...

If they do immortal empires only then yes

Well it would be excluded to game 1 (that has allot less sales than 2, so about half who bought 2 never bought part 1). Game 1 is a very old game that was not supported as long. You also would still have the value of the exclusive LL's and the 3 unplayable races. I think they will only do immortal empires as the vast majority of players prefers to play this mode apart from those who wish a more scripted and detailed (story) campaign. I expect them to merge the two for the new and refurbished races and (later) add an optional "sandbox" mode that ignores these features.

This statement doesn't make sense. If half of TWW2 didn't buy 1, how could ME, which necessitates TWW1, be more popular?