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Why should Jubal be a LH? He's the only Empire character who uses an actual firearm. Faith Steel Gunpowder. Also Sehenesmet is a High Liche Priest, you know a Lord type. Why would he be a LH? Apohpas is literally just a pile of Scarabs and a Skull, he doesn't command anyone, nor does anyone like him. No one would follow him. He is the ultimate LH. If he's a LL pretty much everyone should be a LL at that point.
Hes a regiment captain so that would already be a promotion for him. He’s a nobody to be fair, a very very minor character.
He could be a LL but there are to many better options with Emil Valgeir, Elspeth von Draken and Kurt Helborg.
In a Perfect world, I would go for: Elspeth LP + Jubal ME FLC in Nuln
Emil Valgeir LP + Kurt Helborg ME FLC
Apophas is way to cool and complex to be a stupid LH. Sehenesmet should be the 6th LL to be honest since if TK will get a LP, they also need a FLC like Drycha.
Elspeth von Draken comes from the same source as Jubal. If Jubal is minor so is she. A contridiction in other words.
Aphopas being cool doesn't mean he should be leading armies. He has no power, no influence, no thematic units, no respect, no kingdom, nothing. His whole character is he is on a personal quest to get rid of his curse. If he is a LL then CA forsake everything about the character for a cheap gimmick. It's as bad as making Ariel a LH because the reasons don't make sense.
Yes but she’s the main Lord level character in the Tamurkkhan Book.
That being said, both Jubal and Elspeth should be LLs. I really hope CA will adapt the Drycha type of FLC for future crossover LPs.
This way we could get Elspeth as a LP on an expedition in the Dark Lands and Jubal as a Free LL back home in Nuln if you own WH1.
Apophas is Perfect as a LL, he would try to end his curse so could basically start everywhere against anyone. Sehenesmet would be a great Drycha type Free LL focusing on constructs. This would bring TK on 6 LLs which is great.
The ideal LH for TK would be Nekhap since he is a bodyguard type character like Schwarzhelm or Korhil.
Actually the main level lord is the guy in the title. Regardless CA has shown they don't prioritise importance in LLs, hence Thanquol is still missing. They choose whoever they think is cool or thematic, thus Elspeth is on the same level as Jubal or Tamurkhan himself.
FLC for Jubal is no good. He would bring in a very important theme for the Empire in Gunpowder. Currently the V coast is a better gunpowder faction then the Gunpowder race. Empire Engineers, Hochland Long Rifles, Nuln Ironsides and The Deliverance would make for a thematic DLC for gunpowder capital of Nuln. Elspeth will probably get Nuln instead just because she has a dragon though.
How is he perfect? His curse can't be cure, that's the point. The god tricked him to a doomed existance. Besides his model he has no theme or reason to be an LL. Nekaph actually makes more sense as a LL, because he holds actual power and respect just by being Settra's bodyguard. Aphopas had everything taken from him when he was murdered. If he is an LL his story becomes; A prince murdered his whole family so he could rule Numas. The people were disgusted and so gave him a horrible death. He is a coward even in death, so he bargains his soul with a god, who ressurects him in an eternal tortuous quest to find a soul that doesn't exist. Then for some reason he gets what he wanted originally and rules Numas with a grand army for no reason. So he gets what he wants in the end, great curse. If his mechanic is to pay his dept also what happens then? He dies presumably. So the end game reward is your LL dies. Cool.
I don't get it either, as a LH he'd still get the model and animations which is the only reason people like him, just we get another actual LL like Sehenesmet or Ramotep and a thematic DLC instead of a Malus style through random stuff in a DLC. Or we get something like generic scarab lords or something trash like that. I do think CA will choose Apohpas for DLC though, because they don't care about lore at all and money trumps having to make a new appearnce for characters like Sen and Ramotep.
The thing is, Elspeth has to come no matter what and let’s be honest mate, we all know she’s coming. We all know how CA picks characters and Elspeth will 100% come. I know some people don’t like her but she is objectively the best choice. It’s irrelevant that a vocal minority doesn’t want her. At the battle of Nuln it was Tamurkkhan vs Elspeth so she makes the most sense as a LL even if some people have personal bias against her.
So the only chance for Jubal would be FLC or LH. CA will never pick him instead of Elspeth. We all know it. It simply won’t happen.
Ramothep seems like a LH or shouldn’t come at all in my opinion. I don’t see what he would add to be honest. Apophas makes the most sense to be outside of Nehekhara and his model is simply to extra to be just wasted as a LH.
Great reasoning. She's better, because she'll come and is popular. I'm convinced. Jubal should be a LH because Elspeth is better. Awesome. Aphopas should be a LL because his model is "too extra to be wasted". What does that even mean? What should his mechanics be? If you think he should be a LL I want to know what you think he'd do.
None of these are actual reasons or arguments. If you don't want to make an argument just ignore me lol. I prefer that to non-reasons.
She is better for so many reasons that were discussed to death here. She is objectively better. Just like Neferata is objectively better than Konrad.
Let’s check the pros/cons (+/-):
Elspeth: + mysterious Dark Character + Very unique lore + Dragon Rider + Unique hybrid melee/Caster + Wizard theme + Unique death Wizard + Nuln theme + Tamurkkhan Rivalry + Magisterix of the Amethyst Order + Does her own thing all the time + Does expeditions + Female (very important for CA for some reason) + Fan favourite + Very unique model - Reeeeeee Me no want her Reeeeeeee - Reeeee she to dark me cannot sleep Reeeeee
Jubal: + Nuln theme + Gunpowder - just another Ranged LL (yay) - Another boring footlord - Lame generic Model - Just a named Engineer - very Minor character - just a Regiment Captain - Unimportant underling - no reason to ever leave Nuln - No real rivalry to Tamurkkhan - Another Sausage (CA always aims for Diversity within a Race)
Yeah.... doesn’t look so good for Jubal.
The only arguments that the few very vocal Elspeth haters have is „I don’t like her“ or „She is to dark“ which is purely subjective and completely nonsensical. She’s called the Dark Lady of Nuln for a reason.
Elspeth is objectively the better choice like it or not.
I don't think you know what objective means tbh. My argument isn't even about Elspeth it's about Jubal not getting shafted in her favour. She can be an LL and even DLC, my contention is with at the cost of Nuln and the Gunpowder theme. I've talked in DM's to others about her leading an expedition and Jubal getting Nuln, but I'll humour you and go through the list.
Dark character = subjective if that's better or not. Dark characters can be written well or poorly. In gameplay terms it means nothing.
unique lore = to the empire no. They have death casters already. As an LL yes that is a point in her favour.
dragon rider = despite being subjective if this is good or not, I find this a reason she's more generic. We have plenty of dragon riders and if you want to be technical Franz can also be one, since he has the Imperial dragon.
unique hybrid = So the same point as before. Ok, same with wizard theme (Guess RIP Gelt lol)
Nuln theme = My whole contention is she doesn't share Nuln's theme. Nuln is the Gunpowder capital of the Empire. GW wrote a character who is a caster to represent Nuln. Stupid
Tamurkhan is not a point in her favour. He is his own thing.
Amythest Order = Wizard theme again. Ok.
Does her own thing = Great qualities in a leader. Expeditions is the same thing.
Female = Irrelevant. Who tf cares about the gender of an LL?
Fan Favourite = Argumentum ad populum is a fallacy for a reason.
Unique Model = It's a caster on a dragon. Never had one of those before. The argument should be she has one.
Ree = You're adding this to me, when I never made that argument. My argument was about Falk and Apohpas. You do this because it's easier if I'm made of Straw rather than asking for my actual reasons which this wasn't even about.
Ree again = Tf even is this one?
JUBAL
First two already mentioned
Ranged LL = Another one? You think archers and guns are the same ? Ok. How many LLs with actual firearms do we have vs dragon riders?
Boring footlord = You think CA wouldn't give him a mount? The Deliverance is a literal Steam Tank. I always thought it obvious they'd give him one, even if I find it unessacry. Also you're putting your subjectivitey when you add boring as a qualifier.
Model = Yeah, he's a human. Elspeth is also just a human. Like to hear why either of them are interesting models tbh, my interest is mechanics with human LLs.
Named Engineer = This can be applied to alot of characters and it's a rabbit hole I assume you don't actually want to go down. Objectively this is correct though.
Minor = Who cares? Moonclaw is minor, not gonna stop him from being an interesting LL. Minor or Popular means little.
Regiment = OK?
Underling = Ah the lackey argument. Elspeth is a lackey of the Nuln leaders, but I assume this doesn't matter for some reason. Objectively both are lackeys. Who cares also?
No reason to leave Nuln = I thought he was regiment captain? As in, actively in combat?
Tamurkhan = Why does Tamurkhan have to be involved? Markus was paired up with a Lizardmen, CA pair up characters with what they think is thematic.
Another Male = NOT A MALE! If this an actual reason than IDK what to even think.
Assuming my arguments before I've made them is always fun, but I wasn't even talking about Elspeth. I was talking about Jubal and mostly Apohpas. Most of your reasons are subjective and the objective ones you put bias into. I think the argument that she's popular is objectively why CA would add her over anyone else, but it doesn't make her better. Just more viable. I'd like to hear your opinions on what makes Aphopas an "objectively" better LL then actual TKs with power and influence rather than talking about Elspeth tbh. I don't care that much about her, I care about Jubal and the Gunpowder capital treated correctly and not doing another Aranessa with Nuln.
No they are not subjective. Elspeth is objektivere better from a Gameplay, battle and business perspective. She is also more realistic based on CAs previous LL picks and their criteria for a Character to make it into a LP.
Personal bias aside, what would sell better? What would have a bigger wow effect for casual players. A dark mysterious Beauty on a Giant Dragon or a random Dude with a Gun?
Elspeth fulfills all Import criteria. Jubal... not so much.
He’s a great LH, even better FLC, I’m not denying that. He would be the perfect FLC for the Empire. But he is not enough to carry a LP. That’s task to big for the little man.
So like I said: - Elspeth von Draken: LL - Bruckner: LH - Jubal: Free LL
That’s the ideal way to please most people.
The majority of players would be happy to finally get the fan favourite Elspeth von Draken, the Dark Lady of Nuln and Magisterix of the Amethyst Order riding on her badass Carmine Dragon.
The few Elspeth haters would still get Jubal for free in Nuln and the Empire would get a badass LH riding a Demigryph.
Win win for everyone.
Especially after Imrik being the most popular LL in WH2 you can be sure that Ca would rather pick another Dragon Rider for a LP instead of a footlord. It’s a very simple marketing decision.
Why should Jubal be a LH? He's the only Empire character who uses an actual firearm. Faith Steel Gunpowder. Also Sehenesmet is a High Liche Priest, you know a Lord type. Why would he be a LH? Apohpas is literally just a pile of Scarabs and a Skull, he doesn't command anyone, nor does anyone like him. No one would follow him. He is the ultimate LH. If he's a LL pretty much everyone should be a LL at that point.
Hes a regiment captain so that would already be a promotion for him. He’s a nobody to be fair, a very very minor character.
He could be a LL but there are to many better options with Emil Valgeir, Elspeth von Draken and Kurt Helborg.
In a Perfect world, I would go for: Elspeth LP + Jubal ME FLC in Nuln
Emil Valgeir LP + Kurt Helborg ME FLC
Apophas is way to cool and complex to be a stupid LH. Sehenesmet should be the 6th LL to be honest since if TK will get a LP, they also need a FLC like Drycha.
Elspeth von Draken comes from the same source as Jubal. If Jubal is minor so is she. A contridiction in other words.
Aphopas being cool doesn't mean he should be leading armies. He has no power, no influence, no thematic units, no respect, no kingdom, nothing. His whole character is he is on a personal quest to get rid of his curse. If he is a LL then CA forsake everything about the character for a cheap gimmick. It's as bad as making Ariel a LH because the reasons don't make sense.
Yes but she’s the main Lord level character in the Tamurkkhan Book.
That being said, both Jubal and Elspeth should be LLs. I really hope CA will adapt the Drycha type of FLC for future crossover LPs.
This way we could get Elspeth as a LP on an expedition in the Dark Lands and Jubal as a Free LL back home in Nuln if you own WH1.
Apophas is Perfect as a LL, he would try to end his curse so could basically start everywhere against anyone. Sehenesmet would be a great Drycha type Free LL focusing on constructs. This would bring TK on 6 LLs which is great.
The ideal LH for TK would be Nekhap since he is a bodyguard type character like Schwarzhelm or Korhil.
Actually the main level lord is the guy in the title. Regardless CA has shown they don't prioritise importance in LLs, hence Thanquol is still missing. They choose whoever they think is cool or thematic, thus Elspeth is on the same level as Jubal or Tamurkhan himself.
FLC for Jubal is no good. He would bring in a very important theme for the Empire in Gunpowder. Currently the V coast is a better gunpowder faction then the Gunpowder race. Empire Engineers, Hochland Long Rifles, Nuln Ironsides and The Deliverance would make for a thematic DLC for gunpowder capital of Nuln. Elspeth will probably get Nuln instead just because she has a dragon though.
How is he perfect? His curse can't be cure, that's the point. The god tricked him to a doomed existance. Besides his model he has no theme or reason to be an LL. Nekaph actually makes more sense as a LL, because he holds actual power and respect just by being Settra's bodyguard. Aphopas had everything taken from him when he was murdered. If he is an LL his story becomes; A prince murdered his whole family so he could rule Numas. The people were disgusted and so gave him a horrible death. He is a coward even in death, so he bargains his soul with a god, who ressurects him in an eternal tortuous quest to find a soul that doesn't exist. Then for some reason he gets what he wanted originally and rules Numas with a grand army for no reason. So he gets what he wants in the end, great curse. If his mechanic is to pay his dept also what happens then? He dies presumably. So the end game reward is your LL dies. Cool.
I don't get it either, as a LH he'd still get the model and animations which is the only reason people like him, just we get another actual LL like Sehenesmet or Ramotep and a thematic DLC instead of a Malus style through random stuff in a DLC. Or we get something like generic scarab lords or something trash like that. I do think CA will choose Apohpas for DLC though, because they don't care about lore at all and money trumps having to make a new appearnce for characters like Sen and Ramotep.
The thing is, Elspeth has to come no matter what and let’s be honest mate, we all know she’s coming. We all know how CA picks characters and Elspeth will 100% come. I know some people don’t like her but she is objectively the best choice. It’s irrelevant that a vocal minority doesn’t want her. At the battle of Nuln it was Tamurkkhan vs Elspeth so she makes the most sense as a LL even if some people have personal bias against her.
So the only chance for Jubal would be FLC or LH. CA will never pick him instead of Elspeth. We all know it. It simply won’t happen.
Ramothep seems like a LH or shouldn’t come at all in my opinion. I don’t see what he would add to be honest. Apophas makes the most sense to be outside of Nehekhara and his model is simply to extra to be just wasted as a LH.
Great reasoning. She's better, because she'll come and is popular. I'm convinced. Jubal should be a LH because Elspeth is better. Awesome. Aphopas should be a LL because his model is "too extra to be wasted". What does that even mean? What should his mechanics be? If you think he should be a LL I want to know what you think he'd do.
None of these are actual reasons or arguments. If you don't want to make an argument just ignore me lol. I prefer that to non-reasons.
She is better for so many reasons that were discussed to death here. She is objectively better. Just like Neferata is objectively better than Konrad.
Let’s check the pros/cons (+/-):
Elspeth: + mysterious Dark Character + Very unique lore + Dragon Rider + Unique hybrid melee/Caster + Wizard theme + Unique death Wizard + Nuln theme + Tamurkkhan Rivalry + Magisterix of the Amethyst Order + Does her own thing all the time + Does expeditions + Female (very important for CA for some reason) + Fan favourite + Very unique model - Reeeeeee Me no want her Reeeeeeee - Reeeee she to dark me cannot sleep Reeeeee
Jubal: + Nuln theme + Gunpowder - just another Ranged LL (yay) - Another boring footlord - Lame generic Model - Just a named Engineer - very Minor character - just a Regiment Captain - Unimportant underling - no reason to ever leave Nuln - No real rivalry to Tamurkkhan - Another Sausage (CA always aims for Diversity within a Race)
Yeah.... doesn’t look so good for Jubal.
The only arguments that the few very vocal Elspeth haters have is „I don’t like her“ or „She is to dark“ which is purely subjective and completely nonsensical. She’s called the Dark Lady of Nuln for a reason.
Elspeth is objectively the better choice like it or not.
I don't think you know what objective means tbh. My argument isn't even about Elspeth it's about Jubal not getting shafted in her favour. She can be an LL and even DLC, my contention is with at the cost of Nuln and the Gunpowder theme. I've talked in DM's to others about her leading an expedition and Jubal getting Nuln, but I'll humour you and go through the list.
Dark character = subjective if that's better or not. Dark characters can be written well or poorly. In gameplay terms it means nothing.
unique lore = to the empire no. They have death casters already. As an LL yes that is a point in her favour.
dragon rider = despite being subjective if this is good or not, I find this a reason she's more generic. We have plenty of dragon riders and if you want to be technical Franz can also be one, since he has the Imperial dragon.
unique hybrid = So the same point as before. Ok, same with wizard theme (Guess RIP Gelt lol)
Nuln theme = My whole contention is she doesn't share Nuln's theme. Nuln is the Gunpowder capital of the Empire. GW wrote a character who is a caster to represent Nuln. Stupid
Tamurkhan is not a point in her favour. He is his own thing.
Amythest Order = Wizard theme again. Ok.
Does her own thing = Great qualities in a leader. Expeditions is the same thing.
Female = Irrelevant. Who tf cares about the gender of an LL?
Fan Favourite = Argumentum ad populum is a fallacy for a reason.
Unique Model = It's a caster on a dragon. Never had one of those before. The argument should be she has one.
Ree = You're adding this to me, when I never made that argument. My argument was about Falk and Apohpas. You do this because it's easier if I'm made of Straw rather than asking for my actual reasons which this wasn't even about.
Ree again = Tf even is this one?
JUBAL
First two already mentioned
Ranged LL = Another one? You think archers and guns are the same ? Ok. How many LLs with actual firearms do we have vs dragon riders?
Boring footlord = You think CA wouldn't give him a mount? The Deliverance is a literal Steam Tank. I always thought it obvious they'd give him one, even if I find it unessacry. Also you're putting your subjectivitey when you add boring as a qualifier.
Model = Yeah, he's a human. Elspeth is also just a human. Like to hear why either of them are interesting models tbh, my interest is mechanics with human LLs.
Named Engineer = This can be applied to alot of characters and it's a rabbit hole I assume you don't actually want to go down. Objectively this is correct though.
Minor = Who cares? Moonclaw is minor, not gonna stop him from being an interesting LL. Minor or Popular means little.
Regiment = OK?
Underling = Ah the lackey argument. Elspeth is a lackey of the Nuln leaders, but I assume this doesn't matter for some reason. Objectively both are lackeys. Who cares also?
No reason to leave Nuln = I thought he was regiment captain? As in, actively in combat?
Tamurkhan = Why does Tamurkhan have to be involved? Markus was paired up with a Lizardmen, CA pair up characters with what they think is thematic.
Another Male = NOT A MALE! If this an actual reason than IDK what to even think.
Assuming my arguments before I've made them is always fun, but I wasn't even talking about Elspeth. I was talking about Jubal and mostly Apohpas. Most of your reasons are subjective and the objective ones you put bias into. I think the argument that she's popular is objectively why CA would add her over anyone else, but it doesn't make her better. Just more viable. I'd like to hear your opinions on what makes Aphopas an "objectively" better LL then actual TKs with power and influence rather than talking about Elspeth tbh. I don't care that much about her, I care about Jubal and the Gunpowder capital treated correctly and not doing another Aranessa with Nuln.
No they are not subjective. Elspeth is objektivere better from a Gameplay, battle and business perspective. She is also more realistic based on CAs previous LL picks and their criteria for a Character to make it into a LP.
Personal bias aside, what would sell better? What would have a bigger wow effect for casual players. A dark mysterious Beauty on a Giant Dragon or a random Dude with a Gun?
Elspeth fulfills all Import criteria. Jubal... not so much.
He’s a great LH, even better FLC, I’m not denying that. He would be the perfect FLC for the Empire. But he is not enough to carry a LP. That’s task to big for the little man.
So like I said: - Elspeth von Draken: LL - Bruckner: LH - Jubal: Free LL
That’s the ideal way to please most people.
The majority of players would be happy to finally get the fan favourite Elspeth von Draken, the Dark Lady of Nuln and Magisterix of the Amethyst Order riding on her badass Carmine Dragon.
The few Elspeth haters would still get Jubal for free in Nuln and the Empire would get a badass LH riding a Demigryph.
Win win for everyone.
Especially after Imrik being the most popular LL in WH2 you can be sure that Ca would rather pick another Dragon Rider for a LP instead of a footlord. It’s a very simple marketing decision.
When you say Jubal is a footlord, that's objectively correct. When you say he's a "boring" footlord, that's subjective. People really need learn how to use this word correctly before using it.
Anyway, I literally said CA will pick her. CA don't care about lore so of course they'll choose a flashy dragon rider over a more Empire apporpriate LL. Yes normies like flashy dragons, I don't, I like unique gameplay. It's why the Rogue Idol and Dread Saurian are boring af to me, but the Snot Wagons and Huntsmen are fun to me. Normies dictate the content we get and it's why SEMs are so damn strong.
Curious how you say he couldn't carry an LP when we literally have Markus. Hochland Longrifles and Nuln Ironsides are easily compareable to Huntsmen/Archers. As far as I'm concerened either do him correctly or don't add him.
I do love how you keep appealing to argumentum ad populum also. I'm sure if Taurox was a DLC LL and Moonclaw was LH you would also say "Guys Taurox was the most popular, so Moonclaw makes sense as a LH!" right? It's an obvious double standard. Say you don't like Jubal that's fine imo, but to say he's bad cause he's not as popular as the dragon lady? Give me a break.
Yes CA cares about profit before what's interesting, I agree. They'll add the dragon and it'll be great because it'll be popular.
Why should Jubal be a LH? He's the only Empire character who uses an actual firearm. Faith Steel Gunpowder. Also Sehenesmet is a High Liche Priest, you know a Lord type. Why would he be a LH? Apohpas is literally just a pile of Scarabs and a Skull, he doesn't command anyone, nor does anyone like him. No one would follow him. He is the ultimate LH. If he's a LL pretty much everyone should be a LL at that point.
Hes a regiment captain so that would already be a promotion for him. He’s a nobody to be fair, a very very minor character.
He could be a LL but there are to many better options with Emil Valgeir, Elspeth von Draken and Kurt Helborg.
In a Perfect world, I would go for: Elspeth LP + Jubal ME FLC in Nuln
Emil Valgeir LP + Kurt Helborg ME FLC
Apophas is way to cool and complex to be a stupid LH. Sehenesmet should be the 6th LL to be honest since if TK will get a LP, they also need a FLC like Drycha.
He's no more of a nobody than elespth. Hell unlike her he actually leads troops, she has never commanded anybody and is disliked by everyone.
Why should Jubal be a LH? He's the only Empire character who uses an actual firearm. Faith Steel Gunpowder. Also Sehenesmet is a High Liche Priest, you know a Lord type. Why would he be a LH? Apohpas is literally just a pile of Scarabs and a Skull, he doesn't command anyone, nor does anyone like him. No one would follow him. He is the ultimate LH. If he's a LL pretty much everyone should be a LL at that point.
Hes a regiment captain so that would already be a promotion for him. He’s a nobody to be fair, a very very minor character.
He could be a LL but there are to many better options with Emil Valgeir, Elspeth von Draken and Kurt Helborg.
In a Perfect world, I would go for: Elspeth LP + Jubal ME FLC in Nuln
Emil Valgeir LP + Kurt Helborg ME FLC
Apophas is way to cool and complex to be a stupid LH. Sehenesmet should be the 6th LL to be honest since if TK will get a LP, they also need a FLC like Drycha.
He's no more of a nobody than elespth. Hell unlike her he actually leads troops, she has never commanded anybody and is disliked by everyone.
She's more popular tho, so better. At least that's what I got out of the argument lol.
Why should Jubal be a LH? He's the only Empire character who uses an actual firearm. Faith Steel Gunpowder. Also Sehenesmet is a High Liche Priest, you know a Lord type. Why would he be a LH? Apohpas is literally just a pile of Scarabs and a Skull, he doesn't command anyone, nor does anyone like him. No one would follow him. He is the ultimate LH. If he's a LL pretty much everyone should be a LL at that point.
Hes a regiment captain so that would already be a promotion for him. He’s a nobody to be fair, a very very minor character.
He could be a LL but there are to many better options with Emil Valgeir, Elspeth von Draken and Kurt Helborg.
In a Perfect world, I would go for: Elspeth LP + Jubal ME FLC in Nuln
Emil Valgeir LP + Kurt Helborg ME FLC
Apophas is way to cool and complex to be a stupid LH. Sehenesmet should be the 6th LL to be honest since if TK will get a LP, they also need a FLC like Drycha.
Elspeth von Draken comes from the same source as Jubal. If Jubal is minor so is she. A contridiction in other words.
Aphopas being cool doesn't mean he should be leading armies. He has no power, no influence, no thematic units, no respect, no kingdom, nothing. His whole character is he is on a personal quest to get rid of his curse. If he is a LL then CA forsake everything about the character for a cheap gimmick. It's as bad as making Ariel a LH because the reasons don't make sense.
Yes but she’s the main Lord level character in the Tamurkkhan Book.
That being said, both Jubal and Elspeth should be LLs. I really hope CA will adapt the Drycha type of FLC for future crossover LPs.
This way we could get Elspeth as a LP on an expedition in the Dark Lands and Jubal as a Free LL back home in Nuln if you own WH1.
Apophas is Perfect as a LL, he would try to end his curse so could basically start everywhere against anyone. Sehenesmet would be a great Drycha type Free LL focusing on constructs. This would bring TK on 6 LLs which is great.
The ideal LH for TK would be Nekhap since he is a bodyguard type character like Schwarzhelm or Korhil.
Actually the main level lord is the guy in the title. Regardless CA has shown they don't prioritise importance in LLs, hence Thanquol is still missing. They choose whoever they think is cool or thematic, thus Elspeth is on the same level as Jubal or Tamurkhan himself.
FLC for Jubal is no good. He would bring in a very important theme for the Empire in Gunpowder. Currently the V coast is a better gunpowder faction then the Gunpowder race. Empire Engineers, Hochland Long Rifles, Nuln Ironsides and The Deliverance would make for a thematic DLC for gunpowder capital of Nuln. Elspeth will probably get Nuln instead just because she has a dragon though.
How is he perfect? His curse can't be cure, that's the point. The god tricked him to a doomed existance. Besides his model he has no theme or reason to be an LL. Nekaph actually makes more sense as a LL, because he holds actual power and respect just by being Settra's bodyguard. Aphopas had everything taken from him when he was murdered. If he is an LL his story becomes; A prince murdered his whole family so he could rule Numas. The people were disgusted and so gave him a horrible death. He is a coward even in death, so he bargains his soul with a god, who ressurects him in an eternal tortuous quest to find a soul that doesn't exist. Then for some reason he gets what he wanted originally and rules Numas with a grand army for no reason. So he gets what he wants in the end, great curse. If his mechanic is to pay his dept also what happens then? He dies presumably. So the end game reward is your LL dies. Cool.
I don't get it either, as a LH he'd still get the model and animations which is the only reason people like him, just we get another actual LL like Sehenesmet or Ramotep and a thematic DLC instead of a Malus style through random stuff in a DLC. Or we get something like generic scarab lords or something trash like that. I do think CA will choose Apohpas for DLC though, because they don't care about lore at all and money trumps having to make a new appearnce for characters like Sen and Ramotep.
The thing is, Elspeth has to come no matter what and let’s be honest mate, we all know she’s coming. We all know how CA picks characters and Elspeth will 100% come. I know some people don’t like her but she is objectively the best choice. It’s irrelevant that a vocal minority doesn’t want her. At the battle of Nuln it was Tamurkkhan vs Elspeth so she makes the most sense as a LL even if some people have personal bias against her.
So the only chance for Jubal would be FLC or LH. CA will never pick him instead of Elspeth. We all know it. It simply won’t happen.
Ramothep seems like a LH or shouldn’t come at all in my opinion. I don’t see what he would add to be honest. Apophas makes the most sense to be outside of Nehekhara and his model is simply to extra to be just wasted as a LH.
Great reasoning. She's better, because she'll come and is popular. I'm convinced. Jubal should be a LH because Elspeth is better. Awesome. Aphopas should be a LL because his model is "too extra to be wasted". What does that even mean? What should his mechanics be? If you think he should be a LL I want to know what you think he'd do.
None of these are actual reasons or arguments. If you don't want to make an argument just ignore me lol. I prefer that to non-reasons.
She is better for so many reasons that were discussed to death here. She is objectively better. Just like Neferata is objectively better than Konrad.
Let’s check the pros/cons (+/-):
Elspeth: + mysterious Dark Character + Very unique lore + Dragon Rider + Unique hybrid melee/Caster + Wizard theme + Unique death Wizard + Nuln theme + Tamurkkhan Rivalry + Magisterix of the Amethyst Order + Does her own thing all the time + Does expeditions + Female (very important for CA for some reason) + Fan favourite + Very unique model - Reeeeeee Me no want her Reeeeeeee - Reeeee she to dark me cannot sleep Reeeeee
Jubal: + Nuln theme + Gunpowder - just another Ranged LL (yay) - Another boring footlord - Lame generic Model - Just a named Engineer - very Minor character - just a Regiment Captain - Unimportant underling - no reason to ever leave Nuln - No real rivalry to Tamurkkhan - Another Sausage (CA always aims for Diversity within a Race)
Yeah.... doesn’t look so good for Jubal.
The only arguments that the few very vocal Elspeth haters have is „I don’t like her“ or „She is to dark“ which is purely subjective and completely nonsensical. She’s called the Dark Lady of Nuln for a reason.
Elspeth is objectively the better choice like it or not.
Its a bit childish to respond to opposing opinions as ''REEEEE'' with that said i would prefer a elspeth DLC that brings gunpowder+Wizard lords+ Engineer heroes with Jabal as a named engineer hero she starts with (hell maybe a LH)
Nagash a LH? Moonclaw a LH??? Tullaris a LH????? Caledor Dragontamer??????
What the?
Tullaris will most likely be in the next LP and is basically guaranteed after the picture of the Khaine Statue.
All the current legendary hero's (Ariel, Kroak, Green Knight) are all demi god type characters who have a connection to their entire race and thematically fit with the race . Nagash literally is the creator of the Vampire Counts and rather than just be yet another legendary lord that is fighting the others for some reason. he should be connected to all the vampire counts and be above their petty rivalries, not part of it.
If you look at it, the legendary heroes we have had have been more powerful and important than the legendary lords. You can't compare lord kroak, the first slan of the first generation to the other lizardmen lords for example, he is on a different level.
I mean it is already very strange that Kroak or Ariel had to play that role but
NAGASH? "I bow to no one and **** the gods" NAGASH? "The whole world will be dead and enslaved to do MY biding" NAGASH? In what world would it make sense that Ghorst or Isabella command Nagash around?
Gorthor? The Everchosen of the Beastmen, who is technically 1000 years dead at this point, shall be a hero for lesser Beastmen? Why not let Ghorst be a LL and make Mannfred his legendary hero next.
------Red Dox
The current legendary heroes are far more important than the legendary lords. You can't compare Lord Kroak, the first of the first generation who was taught directly by the old ones to the other lizardmen lords. Legendary Heroes so far have been way more important than the lords and have had some sort of authority over them. Nagash fits this perfectly.
I mean it is already very strange that Kroak or Ariel had to play that role but
NAGASH? "I bow to no one and **** the gods" NAGASH? "The whole world will be dead and enslaved to do MY biding" NAGASH? In what world would it make sense that Ghorst or Isabella command Nagash around?
Gorthor? The Everchosen of the Beastmen, who is technically 1000 years dead at this point, shall be a hero for lesser Beastmen? Why not let Ghorst be a LL and make Mannfred his legendary hero next.
------Red Dox
The current legendary heroes are far more important than the legendary lords. You can't compare Lord Kroak, the first of the first generation who was taught directly by the old ones to the other lizardmen lords. Legendary Heroes so far have been way more important than the lords and have had some sort of authority over them. Nagash fits this perfectly.
Lord Kroak is currently dead and can't really do anything other than drop spells. Sometimes he can communicate his will to his skinks but that's it. He is in no shape to lead armies. What about ghorrich he is a legendary hero, or Felix, or Henri le massive, or Markus' huntsmen. Hell even the green knight doesn't lead armies and never spoke until the end times.
So you only really have a point with Ariel. Who is a different case as it was either Ariel LH or no Ariel at all.
I mean it is already very strange that Kroak or Ariel had to play that role but
NAGASH? "I bow to no one and **** the gods" NAGASH? "The whole world will be dead and enslaved to do MY biding" NAGASH? In what world would it make sense that Ghorst or Isabella command Nagash around?
Gorthor? The Everchosen of the Beastmen, who is technically 1000 years dead at this point, shall be a hero for lesser Beastmen? Why not let Ghorst be a LL and make Mannfred his legendary hero next.
------Red Dox
The current legendary heroes are far more important than the legendary lords. You can't compare Lord Kroak, the first of the first generation who was taught directly by the old ones to the other lizardmen lords. Legendary Heroes so far have been way more important than the lords and have had some sort of authority over them. Nagash fits this perfectly.
Lord Kroak is currently dead and can't really do anything other than drop spells. Sometimes he can communicate his will to his skinks but that's it. He is in no shape to lead armies. What about ghorrich he is a legendary hero, or Felix, or Henri le massive, or Markus' huntsmen. Hell even the green knight doesn't lead armies and never spoke until the end times.
So you only really have a point with Ariel. Who is a different case as it was either Ariel LH or no Ariel at all.
Nagash should not be LH at all
They are all personal heroes who can't be recruited by the entire race but only one lord. I am refering to Ariel, Kroak, Green Knight tier that are legendary heroes for the race.
Why should Jubal be a LH? He's the only Empire character who uses an actual firearm. Faith Steel Gunpowder. Also Sehenesmet is a High Liche Priest, you know a Lord type. Why would he be a LH? Apohpas is literally just a pile of Scarabs and a Skull, he doesn't command anyone, nor does anyone like him. No one would follow him. He is the ultimate LH. If he's a LL pretty much everyone should be a LL at that point.
Hes a regiment captain so that would already be a promotion for him. He’s a nobody to be fair, a very very minor character.
He could be a LL but there are to many better options with Emil Valgeir, Elspeth von Draken and Kurt Helborg.
In a Perfect world, I would go for: Elspeth LP + Jubal ME FLC in Nuln
Emil Valgeir LP + Kurt Helborg ME FLC
Apophas is way to cool and complex to be a stupid LH. Sehenesmet should be the 6th LL to be honest since if TK will get a LP, they also need a FLC like Drycha.
Elspeth von Draken comes from the same source as Jubal. If Jubal is minor so is she. A contridiction in other words.
Aphopas being cool doesn't mean he should be leading armies. He has no power, no influence, no thematic units, no respect, no kingdom, nothing. His whole character is he is on a personal quest to get rid of his curse. If he is a LL then CA forsake everything about the character for a cheap gimmick. It's as bad as making Ariel a LH because the reasons don't make sense.
Yes but she’s the main Lord level character in the Tamurkkhan Book.
That being said, both Jubal and Elspeth should be LLs. I really hope CA will adapt the Drycha type of FLC for future crossover LPs.
This way we could get Elspeth as a LP on an expedition in the Dark Lands and Jubal as a Free LL back home in Nuln if you own WH1.
Apophas is Perfect as a LL, he would try to end his curse so could basically start everywhere against anyone. Sehenesmet would be a great Drycha type Free LL focusing on constructs. This would bring TK on 6 LLs which is great.
The ideal LH for TK would be Nekhap since he is a bodyguard type character like Schwarzhelm or Korhil.
Actually the main level lord is the guy in the title. Regardless CA has shown they don't prioritise importance in LLs, hence Thanquol is still missing. They choose whoever they think is cool or thematic, thus Elspeth is on the same level as Jubal or Tamurkhan himself.
FLC for Jubal is no good. He would bring in a very important theme for the Empire in Gunpowder. Currently the V coast is a better gunpowder faction then the Gunpowder race. Empire Engineers, Hochland Long Rifles, Nuln Ironsides and The Deliverance would make for a thematic DLC for gunpowder capital of Nuln. Elspeth will probably get Nuln instead just because she has a dragon though.
How is he perfect? His curse can't be cure, that's the point. The god tricked him to a doomed existance. Besides his model he has no theme or reason to be an LL. Nekaph actually makes more sense as a LL, because he holds actual power and respect just by being Settra's bodyguard. Aphopas had everything taken from him when he was murdered. If he is an LL his story becomes; A prince murdered his whole family so he could rule Numas. The people were disgusted and so gave him a horrible death. He is a coward even in death, so he bargains his soul with a god, who ressurects him in an eternal tortuous quest to find a soul that doesn't exist. Then for some reason he gets what he wanted originally and rules Numas with a grand army for no reason. So he gets what he wants in the end, great curse. If his mechanic is to pay his dept also what happens then? He dies presumably. So the end game reward is your LL dies. Cool.
I don't get it either, as a LH he'd still get the model and animations which is the only reason people like him, just we get another actual LL like Sehenesmet or Ramotep and a thematic DLC instead of a Malus style through random stuff in a DLC. Or we get something like generic scarab lords or something trash like that. I do think CA will choose Apohpas for DLC though, because they don't care about lore at all and money trumps having to make a new appearnce for characters like Sen and Ramotep.
The thing is, Elspeth has to come no matter what and let’s be honest mate, we all know she’s coming. We all know how CA picks characters and Elspeth will 100% come. I know some people don’t like her but she is objectively the best choice. It’s irrelevant that a vocal minority doesn’t want her. At the battle of Nuln it was Tamurkkhan vs Elspeth so she makes the most sense as a LL even if some people have personal bias against her.
So the only chance for Jubal would be FLC or LH. CA will never pick him instead of Elspeth. We all know it. It simply won’t happen.
Ramothep seems like a LH or shouldn’t come at all in my opinion. I don’t see what he would add to be honest. Apophas makes the most sense to be outside of Nehekhara and his model is simply to extra to be just wasted as a LH.
Great reasoning. She's better, because she'll come and is popular. I'm convinced. Jubal should be a LH because Elspeth is better. Awesome. Aphopas should be a LL because his model is "too extra to be wasted". What does that even mean? What should his mechanics be? If you think he should be a LL I want to know what you think he'd do.
None of these are actual reasons or arguments. If you don't want to make an argument just ignore me lol. I prefer that to non-reasons.
She is better for so many reasons that were discussed to death here. She is objectively better. Just like Neferata is objectively better than Konrad.
Let’s check the pros/cons (+/-):
Elspeth: + mysterious Dark Character + Very unique lore + Dragon Rider + Unique hybrid melee/Caster + Wizard theme + Unique death Wizard + Nuln theme + Tamurkkhan Rivalry + Magisterix of the Amethyst Order + Does her own thing all the time + Does expeditions + Female (very important for CA for some reason) + Fan favourite + Very unique model - Reeeeeee Me no want her Reeeeeeee - Reeeee she to dark me cannot sleep Reeeeee
Jubal: + Nuln theme + Gunpowder - just another Ranged LL (yay) - Another boring footlord - Lame generic Model - Just a named Engineer - very Minor character - just a Regiment Captain - Unimportant underling - no reason to ever leave Nuln - No real rivalry to Tamurkkhan - Another Sausage (CA always aims for Diversity within a Race)
Yeah.... doesn’t look so good for Jubal.
The only arguments that the few very vocal Elspeth haters have is „I don’t like her“ or „She is to dark“ which is purely subjective and completely nonsensical. She’s called the Dark Lady of Nuln for a reason.
Elspeth is objectively the better choice like it or not.
I mean than why not have the imperial Patriach of the amethast order Viggo Hexensohn
Dragons are **** the theme of empire , empire is about steel faith and gunpoweder if you add dragons than there is more than two or three monstours creatures in empire according to TT peagusus were monstours beast which completely change empire uniqueness. this is as bad as adding Cav to dwarfs.
Empire have plenty of unique wizards
Nuln is about engineering Last i checked Jubal was the engineer
she is loner her lore says that much
and Jubal is better because it fits the city of Nulns greatest claim to fame school of Engineering
And it was and always had been theodore Buckner who leads army if Nuln
I mean it is already very strange that Kroak or Ariel had to play that role but
NAGASH? "I bow to no one and **** the gods" NAGASH? "The whole world will be dead and enslaved to do MY biding" NAGASH? In what world would it make sense that Ghorst or Isabella command Nagash around?
Gorthor? The Everchosen of the Beastmen, who is technically 1000 years dead at this point, shall be a hero for lesser Beastmen? Why not let Ghorst be a LL and make Mannfred his legendary hero next.
------Red Dox
The current legendary heroes are far more important than the legendary lords. You can't compare Lord Kroak, the first of the first generation who was taught directly by the old ones to the other lizardmen lords. Legendary Heroes so far have been way more important than the lords and have had some sort of authority over them. Nagash fits this perfectly.
Lord Kroak is currently dead and can't really do anything other than drop spells. Sometimes he can communicate his will to his skinks but that's it. He is in no shape to lead armies. What about ghorrich he is a legendary hero, or Felix, or Henri le massive, or Markus' huntsmen. Hell even the green knight doesn't lead armies and never spoke until the end times.
So you only really have a point with Ariel. Who is a different case as it was either Ariel LH or no Ariel at all.
Nagash should not be LH at all
They are all personal heroes who can't be recruited by the entire race but only one lord. I am refering to Ariel, Kroak, Green Knight tier that are legendary heroes for the race.
Ghoritch is the definition of a LH, just because he can't be recruited by all Skaven factions in the same way as Kroak, doesn't mean he doesn't count.
Nagash will rule again!Justice for Araby, Albion, Amazons, Halflings, Nippon, Ind, Khuresh & the Hobgoblin Khanate!
I'm against Nagash being a LH. I think he'd be much more interesting if he was allowed to confederate most undead LLs (with skills being changed where absolutely necessary) and his campaign revolved around both that and building up his own powers. Not to mention it'd be a shame if he didn't appear as the leader of his own faction with his own dialogue in the diplomacy screen.
On another note, I think Skreech Verminking works really well as a LH (highest ranking agent of the Hornet Rat which I can see counseling and watching over a specific skaven faction, and fight with them if they provide the necessary sacrifices), seeing as he clashes so much with the LLs, and could be easier to unlock for a hypothetical Thanquol LL, though I certainly wouldn't complain if he was another FLC LL.
Why should Jubal be a LH? He's the only Empire character who uses an actual firearm. Faith Steel Gunpowder. Also Sehenesmet is a High Liche Priest, you know a Lord type. Why would he be a LH? Apohpas is literally just a pile of Scarabs and a Skull, he doesn't command anyone, nor does anyone like him. No one would follow him. He is the ultimate LH. If he's a LL pretty much everyone should be a LL at that point.
Hes a regiment captain so that would already be a promotion for him. He’s a nobody to be fair, a very very minor character.
He could be a LL but there are to many better options with Emil Valgeir, Elspeth von Draken and Kurt Helborg.
In a Perfect world, I would go for: Elspeth LP + Jubal ME FLC in Nuln
Emil Valgeir LP + Kurt Helborg ME FLC
Apophas is way to cool and complex to be a stupid LH. Sehenesmet should be the 6th LL to be honest since if TK will get a LP, they also need a FLC like Drycha.
Indeed. Falk - a virtual nobody in the Empire lore - being LL would be the height of stupidity.
I mean it is already very strange that Kroak or Ariel had to play that role but
NAGASH? "I bow to no one and **** the gods" NAGASH? "The whole world will be dead and enslaved to do MY biding" NAGASH? In what world would it make sense that Ghorst or Isabella command Nagash around?
Gorthor? The Everchosen of the Beastmen, who is technically 1000 years dead at this point, shall be a hero for lesser Beastmen? Why not let Ghorst be a LL and make Mannfred his legendary hero next.
------Red Dox
The current legendary heroes are far more important than the legendary lords. You can't compare Lord Kroak, the first of the first generation who was taught directly by the old ones to the other lizardmen lords. Legendary Heroes so far have been way more important than the lords and have had some sort of authority over them. Nagash fits this perfectly.
Lord Kroak is currently dead and can't really do anything other than drop spells. Sometimes he can communicate his will to his skinks but that's it. He is in no shape to lead armies. What about ghorrich he is a legendary hero, or Felix, or Henri le massive, or Markus' huntsmen. Hell even the green knight doesn't lead armies and never spoke until the end times.
So you only really have a point with Ariel. Who is a different case as it was either Ariel LH or no Ariel at all.
Nagash should not be LH at all
They are all personal heroes who can't be recruited by the entire race but only one lord. I am refering to Ariel, Kroak, Green Knight tier that are legendary heroes for the race.
Still two out of the three can't speak and don't rule.
The others pay be personal hero's but they still are legendary ones.
Also you are forgetting Felix.
Nagash should not be LH what so ever, unless they make it so when you recruit him after one turn he takes over your faction and becomes the new faction leader a full LL.
Why should Jubal be a LH? He's the only Empire character who uses an actual firearm. Faith Steel Gunpowder. Also Sehenesmet is a High Liche Priest, you know a Lord type. Why would he be a LH? Apohpas is literally just a pile of Scarabs and a Skull, he doesn't command anyone, nor does anyone like him. No one would follow him. He is the ultimate LH. If he's a LL pretty much everyone should be a LL at that point.
Hes a regiment captain so that would already be a promotion for him. He’s a nobody to be fair, a very very minor character.
He could be a LL but there are to many better options with Emil Valgeir, Elspeth von Draken and Kurt Helborg.
In a Perfect world, I would go for: Elspeth LP + Jubal ME FLC in Nuln
Emil Valgeir LP + Kurt Helborg ME FLC
Apophas is way to cool and complex to be a stupid LH. Sehenesmet should be the 6th LL to be honest since if TK will get a LP, they also need a FLC like Drycha.
Indeed. Falk - a virtual nobody in the Empire lore - being LL would be the height of stupidity.
Elespth a virtual nobody in the empire lore, who is disliked by the people and never held any position if command being LL would be the height of stupidity.
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1 · Disagree AgreePersonal bias aside, what would sell better? What would have a bigger wow effect for casual players.
A dark mysterious Beauty on a Giant Dragon or a random Dude with a Gun?
Elspeth fulfills all Import criteria. Jubal... not so much.
He’s a great LH, even better FLC, I’m not denying that. He would be the perfect FLC for the Empire. But he is not enough to carry a LP. That’s task to big for the little man.
So like I said:
- Elspeth von Draken: LL
- Bruckner: LH
- Jubal: Free LL
That’s the ideal way to please most people.
The majority of players would be happy to finally get the fan favourite Elspeth von Draken, the Dark Lady of Nuln and Magisterix of the Amethyst Order riding on her badass Carmine Dragon.
The few Elspeth haters would still get Jubal for free in Nuln and the Empire would get a badass LH riding a Demigryph.
Win win for everyone.
Especially after Imrik being the most popular LL in WH2 you can be sure that Ca would rather pick another Dragon Rider for a LP instead of a footlord. It’s a very simple marketing decision.
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What a fantastic idea! /s
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0 · Disagree AgreeAnyway, I literally said CA will pick her. CA don't care about lore so of course they'll choose a flashy dragon rider over a more Empire apporpriate LL. Yes normies like flashy dragons, I don't, I like unique gameplay. It's why the Rogue Idol and Dread Saurian are boring af to me, but the Snot Wagons and Huntsmen are fun to me. Normies dictate the content we get and it's why SEMs are so damn strong.
Curious how you say he couldn't carry an LP when we literally have Markus. Hochland Longrifles and Nuln Ironsides are easily compareable to Huntsmen/Archers. As far as I'm concerened either do him correctly or don't add him.
I do love how you keep appealing to argumentum ad populum also. I'm sure if Taurox was a DLC LL and Moonclaw was LH you would also say "Guys Taurox was the most popular, so Moonclaw makes sense as a LH!" right? It's an obvious double standard. Say you don't like Jubal that's fine imo, but to say he's bad cause he's not as popular as the dragon lady? Give me a break.
Yes CA cares about profit before what's interesting, I agree. They'll add the dragon and it'll be great because it'll be popular.
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1 · Disagree AgreeIf you look at it, the legendary heroes we have had have been more powerful and important than the legendary lords. You can't compare lord kroak, the first slan of the first generation to the other lizardmen lords for example, he is on a different level.
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0 · Disagree AgreeWhat about ghorrich he is a legendary hero, or Felix, or Henri le massive, or Markus' huntsmen.
Hell even the green knight doesn't lead armies and never spoke until the end times.
So you only really have a point with Ariel. Who is a different case as it was either Ariel LH or no Ariel at all.
Nagash should not be LH at all
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0 · Disagree AgreeDragons are **** the theme of empire , empire is about steel faith and gunpoweder if you add dragons than there is more than two or three monstours creatures in empire according to TT peagusus were monstours beast which completely change empire uniqueness. this is as bad as adding Cav to dwarfs.
Empire have plenty of unique wizards
Nuln is about engineering Last i checked Jubal was the engineer
she is loner her lore says that much
and Jubal is better because it fits the city of Nulns greatest claim to fame school of Engineering
And it was and always had been theodore Buckner who leads army if Nuln
#givemoreunitsforbrettonia, my bret dlc
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1 · Disagree AgreeOn another note, I think Skreech Verminking works really well as a LH (highest ranking agent of the Hornet Rat which I can see counseling and watching over a specific skaven faction, and fight with them if they provide the necessary sacrifices), seeing as he clashes so much with the LLs, and could be easier to unlock for a hypothetical Thanquol LL, though I certainly wouldn't complain if he was another FLC LL.
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1 · Disagree AgreeThe others pay be personal hero's but they still are legendary ones.
Also you are forgetting Felix.
Nagash should not be LH what so ever, unless they make it so when you recruit him after one turn he takes over your faction and becomes the new faction leader a full LL.
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