Expectations for Total War: Warhammer 3

bradleyvincentwells#9754

This is the first in a series that lists the expectations fans have clamored for in the upcoming Total War: Warhammer game. The overall list has 15 expectations in no specific order. The list compiles and condenses many requests I have read in this forum, on YouTube, and on Reddit. This post will highlight the first three expectations. Each expectation is ranked according to how likely it is to appear in-game.



Total War: Warhammer 3 Expectations- Part One

Veldrinar#2882

Ah, expectations. Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

Prkl8r#9998

I don't expect anything but I want monogods, because the personality that would give chaos armies would make them actually interesting.

Undivided chaos is the most boring thing in warhammer.

You would either have the dull boring grey/brown of the current undivided, or the stupid look of having red, pink, green, and blue units all mixed in an army as if somebody just vomited multicolored units onto the field.

Also the idea that each chaos faction having it's own strengths and weaknesses and playstyle would go a long way.

The difference between monogod and undivided is the difference between something cool and exciting, and continuing to completely ignore playing chaos.

Schub#9514

I categorize expectation 2 as 'Doubtful'. Unfortunatelly I was not able to find the source but after Warhammer 1 CA stated in an interview that every title of the trilogy will start with four starting factions.

Yes plans can change but we have no statement from CA indicating otherwise.

Wyvax#7456

Well put together threads with custom graphics are always a treat, so you get a like my friend. Looking forward to the next parts.

I think that getting more than 4 core races on WH3 launch is incredibly unlikely, but I wouldn't mind being proven wrong. As for new mechanics for the WoC, giving them Norsca's schtick would be pretty dissapointing. I reckon a general overhaul to how their horde gameplay works, and then in depth mechanics for each WoC faction are the way to go.

Red_Dox#2328

Daemons are either a playable faction (or factions) at launch for Game 3...

Armybook = race. Every race can have several factions, which are already laid out in said armybook and might be get extra treatment through certain additional armylists from various sources later. Like Middenheim or Clan Eshin as the more prominent examples.

This would allow for a Undivided faction under Be'lakor and divided factions under Lords as Kairos Fateweaver and Valkia the Bloody Skulltaker for the DoC race.

Valkia is not a daemon and rather belongs to the mortal WoC race, and there for a WoC faction. Which we also cleary get with the armybook she started in and ended up with during 8th edition: Warriors of Chaos. Not Daemons of Chaos.
Anyone who want to jump my face for this because "muh lore blurb says Daemon Princess", should read this up first
https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/274401/champions-of-chaos-valkia

------Red Dox

AxiosXiphos#9040

Prkl8r said:

I don't expect anything but I want monogods, because the personality that would give chaos armies would make them actually interesting.

Undivided chaos is the most boring thing in warhammer.

You would either have the dull boring grey/brown of the current undivided, or the stupid look of having red, ping, green, and blue units all mixed in an army as if somebody just vomited multicolored units onto the field.

Also the idea that each chaos faction having it's own strengths and weaknesses and playstyle would go a long way.

The difference between monogod and undivided is the difference between something cool and exciting, and continuing to completely ignore playing chaos.

I agree this this; though I do think undivided deamons in some form will come with Be'lakor at least. However I hope we get some form of mono armies - it would be very sad if we never got any opportunity to;

A) Combine Deamons and Mortals in one army.
B ) Have unique battle mechanics for each specific god.
C) Experience each God with it's intended weaknesses instead of just one giant Mary Sue; King of everything faction.
D) Play Khorne true to his form without purposefully nerfing ourselves by not taking a spellcaster.

DeadpoolSW#7283

AxiosXiphos said:

Prkl8r said:

I don't expect anything but I want monogods, because the personality that would give chaos armies would make them actually interesting.

Undivided chaos is the most boring thing in warhammer.

You would either have the dull boring grey/brown of the current undivided, or the stupid look of having red, ping, green, and blue units all mixed in an army as if somebody just vomited multicolored units onto the field.

Also the idea that each chaos faction having it's own strengths and weaknesses and playstyle would go a long way.

The difference between monogod and undivided is the difference between something cool and exciting, and continuing to completely ignore playing chaos.

I agree this this; though I do think undivided deamons in some form will come with Be'lakor at least. However I hope we get some form of mono armies - it would be very sad if we never got any opportunity to;

A) Combine Deamons and Mortals in one army.
B ) Have unique battle mechanics for each specific god.
C) Experience each God with it's intended weaknesses instead of just one giant Mary Sue; King of everything faction.
D) Play Khorne true to his form without purposefully nerfing ourselves by not taking a spellcaster.

My argument "against monogods" is that they should be factions, not races.

eg Sigvald would stay a WoC LL, but with bonuses to Slaanesh units and access to DoC (or even Beastmen) Slaanesh units, perhaps with penalties to non-Slaanesh units. Vice versa for N'Kari. This way people who want to play monos can play monos, people who don't care and want to mix and match can do so, and people like me who want to make thematic armies (but might still want a Tzzentchy army at some point in my Sigvald campaign) can do so.

All 4 of your points are covered by this way of implementation, and it means that monos aren't taking up 4 of the precious few race slots left.

#25795

AxiosXiphos said:

Prkl8r said:

I don't expect anything but I want monogods, because the personality that would give chaos armies would make them actually interesting.

Undivided chaos is the most boring thing in warhammer.

You would either have the dull boring grey/brown of the current undivided, or the stupid look of having red, ping, green, and blue units all mixed in an army as if somebody just vomited multicolored units onto the field.

Also the idea that each chaos faction having it's own strengths and weaknesses and playstyle would go a long way.

The difference between monogod and undivided is the difference between something cool and exciting, and continuing to completely ignore playing chaos.

I agree this this; though I do think undivided deamons in some form will come with Be'lakor at least. However I hope we get some form of mono armies - it would be very sad if we never got any opportunity to;

A) Combine Deamons and Mortals in one army.
B ) Have unique battle mechanics for each specific god.
C) Experience each God with it's intended weaknesses instead of just one giant Mary Sue; King of everything faction.
D) Play Khorne true to his form without purposefully nerfing ourselves by not taking a spellcaster.

Or you could simply experience Khorne as a unique faction for the DoC, with those restrictions i.e. can't bring any spellcasters.

DavidTWWH#4143

If they do end up turning demons into four races I can picture myself getting bored of Lord packs very quickly, since one half would be demons every single time.

The only way I can see more than 4 races at launch is if one comes half finished and unplayable like Bretonnia was in wh1.

Idk if Norsca will get "reworked" Since they came so late in wh1 that they were already quite good at launch, though I'm definitely in favor of an update and even a Lord pack for them.

55JoNNo

Nice graphics!

Expectation 1: Agreed

Expectation 2: Seems more like doubtful to me - I see little evidence they will deviate from the 4 core races model they've adopted so far.

Expectation 3: I would move this down from guaranteed to "high" - whilst I think WoC will definitely enjoy some enhancements in line with their Daemonic cousins, I could easily see CA deciding they are happy with how Norsca play. WoC were originally planned for game 3 so they should be in line for some big changes based on what CA had in mind.

Cadia101

Could we stop with the pointless mono god debate ?

UberReptilian#8431

Cadia101 said:

Could we stop with the pointless mono god debate ?

Never, that's like 60% of the fun being here. The other 40% is Cathay debates.

55JoNNo

Cadia101 said:

Could we stop with the pointless mono god debate ?

DeadpoolSW#7283

UberReptilian said:

Cadia101 said:

Could we stop with the pointless mono god debate ?

Never, that's like 60% of the fun being here. The other 40% is Cathay debates.

What percentage is Eonir debates?

UberReptilian#8431

DeadpoolSW said:

UberReptilian said:

Cadia101 said:

Could we stop with the pointless mono god debate ?

Never, that's like 60% of the fun being here. The other 40% is Cathay debates.

What percentage is Eonir debates?

0% oblviously, since only one person actually cares about Eonir.

urbanmech

UberReptilian said:

Cadia101 said:

Could we stop with the pointless mono god debate ?

Never, that's like 60% of the fun being here. The other 40% is Cathay debates.

This is why it is time for Monogod stans and Cathayan stans to unite together and take the third game's core!

UberReptilian#8431

BardicInquisition said:

UberReptilian said:

Cadia101 said:

Could we stop with the pointless mono god debate ?

Never, that's like 60% of the fun being here. The other 40% is Cathay debates.

This is why it is time for Monogod stans and Cathayan stans to unite together and take the third game's core!

Ahh but only 4 slots are open, and that's 5 races. One must be sacrificed for the Pre Order. Let them fight over who it shall be.
I vote Khorne monogod.

55JoNNo

UberReptilian said:

BardicInquisition said:

UberReptilian said:

Cadia101 said:

Could we stop with the pointless mono god debate ?

Never, that's like 60% of the fun being here. The other 40% is Cathay debates.

This is why it is time for Monogod stans and Cathayan stans to unite together and take the third game's core!

Ahh but only 4 slots are open, and that's 5 races. One must be sacrificed for the Pre Order. Let them fight over who it shall be.
I vote Khorne monogod.

leaked trailer footage:

UberReptilian#8431

55JoNNo said:

UberReptilian said:

BardicInquisition said:

UberReptilian said:

Cadia101 said:

Could we stop with the pointless mono god debate ?

Never, that's like 60% of the fun being here. The other 40% is Cathay debates.

This is why it is time for Monogod stans and Cathayan stans to unite together and take the third game's core!

Ahh but only 4 slots are open, and that's 5 races. One must be sacrificed for the Pre Order. Let them fight over who it shall be.
I vote Khorne monogod.

leaked trailer footage:

Are those Skaven attacking Cathay? Skaven confirmed core! Skaven, Slannesh Monogod, Nurgle Monogod and Cathay are the core races. Khorne Monogod Pre Order and Tzeentch Monogod first DLC.

AxiosXiphos#9040

UberReptilian said:

BardicInquisition said:

UberReptilian said:

Cadia101 said:

Could we stop with the pointless mono god debate ?

Never, that's like 60% of the fun being here. The other 40% is Cathay debates.

This is why it is time for Monogod stans and Cathayan stans to unite together and take the third game's core!

Ahh but only 4 slots are open, and that's 5 races. One must be sacrificed for the Pre Order. Let them fight over who it shall be.
I vote Khorne monogod.

Wyvax#7456

UberReptilian said:

55JoNNo said:

UberReptilian said:

BardicInquisition said:

UberReptilian said:

Cadia101 said:

Could we stop with the pointless mono god debate ?

Never, that's like 60% of the fun being here. The other 40% is Cathay debates.

This is why it is time for Monogod stans and Cathayan stans to unite together and take the third game's core!

Ahh but only 4 slots are open, and that's 5 races. One must be sacrificed for the Pre Order. Let them fight over who it shall be.
I vote Khorne monogod.

leaked trailer footage:

Are those Skaven attacking Cathay? Skaven confirmed core! Skaven, Slannesh Monogod, Nurgle Monogod and Cathay are the core races. Khorne Monogod Pre Order and Tzeentch Monogod first DLC.

Naw those are an alien hivemind from another world. Tyranids for core in WH3 confirmed guys!!!

55JoNNo

Wyvax said:

UberReptilian said:

55JoNNo said:

UberReptilian said:

BardicInquisition said:

UberReptilian said:

Cadia101 said:

Could we stop with the pointless mono god debate ?

Never, that's like 60% of the fun being here. The other 40% is Cathay debates.

This is why it is time for Monogod stans and Cathayan stans to unite together and take the third game's core!

Ahh but only 4 slots are open, and that's 5 races. One must be sacrificed for the Pre Order. Let them fight over who it shall be.
I vote Khorne monogod.

leaked trailer footage:

Are those Skaven attacking Cathay? Skaven confirmed core! Skaven, Slannesh Monogod, Nurgle Monogod and Cathay are the core races. Khorne Monogod Pre Order and Tzeentch Monogod first DLC.

Naw those are an alien hivemind from another world. Tyranids for core in WH3 confirmed guys!!!

We joke but a part of me would love a slightly toned down Tyranid / Insectoid/ Swarm race

mewade44#6520

When in doubt: Look to the 8th edition army books!


Ohhhmy heresy!!!!!

But seriously. Yea.

Wyvax#7456

55JoNNo said:

Wyvax said:

UberReptilian said:

55JoNNo said:

UberReptilian said:

BardicInquisition said:

UberReptilian said:

Cadia101 said:

Could we stop with the pointless mono god debate ?

Never, that's like 60% of the fun being here. The other 40% is Cathay debates.

This is why it is time for Monogod stans and Cathayan stans to unite together and take the third game's core!

Ahh but only 4 slots are open, and that's 5 races. One must be sacrificed for the Pre Order. Let them fight over who it shall be.
I vote Khorne monogod.

leaked trailer footage:

Are those Skaven attacking Cathay? Skaven confirmed core! Skaven, Slannesh Monogod, Nurgle Monogod and Cathay are the core races. Khorne Monogod Pre Order and Tzeentch Monogod first DLC.

Naw those are an alien hivemind from another world. Tyranids for core in WH3 confirmed guys!!!

We joke but a part of me would love a slightly toned down Tyranid / Insectoid/ Swarm race

Ditto mate. I imagine they could plague some of the more distant regions of the planet like the jungles, warpstone desert and the deepest caverns, coming into contact mostly with Skaven, Lizardmen, Beastmen, Greenskins and the Dwarfs, rarely making it to the worlds of man or elf. Stranded nids on the Warhammer world, separated from the greater hivemind and unable to adapt any further, but with their higher bioforms like Hive Tyrants and Lictors gaining proper sentience of their own, making the race a comparable force on the world stage.

Crossil#2134

BardicInquisition said:

UberReptilian said:

Cadia101 said:

Could we stop with the pointless mono god debate ?

Never, that's like 60% of the fun being here. The other 40% is Cathay debates.

This is why it is time for Monogod stans and Cathayan stans to unite together and take the third game's core!

You see... this is why I have a hard time believing you when it comes to game 3. Not only do say they'll straight up go for something that seems impossible, but on top of that, that they'll ignore pretty much every armybook left. And I'm having a hard time believing even Monogods is possible nowadays.

Iokko said:

If they do end up turning demons into four races I can picture myself getting bored of Lord packs very quickly, since one half would be demons every single time.

I think you're kinda doomed to that either way. WoC and BM need to be redone in game 3 and on top of that Chaos Dwarfs and Daemons would have to feature in at least half the lord packs.

All in all, I wouldn't be surprised if Chaos was present in every single lord pack in game 3, simply because of how much it has been left on the back burner. In the end, the largest repository of missing content is Chaos unto itself, so game 3 is doomed to feature Chaos in most if not all of its lord packs.

Maelas

Crossil said:

You see... this is why I have a hard time believing you when it comes to game 3. Not only do say they'll straight up go for something that seems impossible, but on top of that, that they'll ignore pretty much every armybook left. And I'm having a hard time believing even Monogods is possible nowadays.

To be fair, "monogods" can mean so many different things, there is a thousand way to do monogods, from actual separate races to different factions with malus on other god's daemons.

The prophecies are still vague, we'll have to wait until reveal to see where the chips fall ! Although I do think we're in for a Cathayan surprise !

Crossil#2134

Maelas said:

Crossil said:

You see... this is why I have a hard time believing you when it comes to game 3. Not only do say they'll straight up go for something that seems impossible, but on top of that, that they'll ignore pretty much every armybook left. And I'm having a hard time believing even Monogods is possible nowadays.

To be fair, "monogods" can mean so many different things, there is a thousand way to do monogods, from actual separate races to different factions with malus on other god's daemons.

The prophecies are still vague, we'll have to wait until reveal to see where the chips fall ! Although I do think we're in for a Cathayan surprise !

Even the milder versions are extremely dubious. You can't exactly have Monogods without having each god represented and that in and of itself makes it highly unlikely that each god would be represented right off the bat. Daemons roster is just far too diverse to build from scratch, simply because of its variety, if not sheer number of units.

On top of that, Bardic has made the argument years ago and he is, from what I've seen, aware what the idea of monogods entails.

Commissar_G#7535

Wyvax said:

55JoNNo said:

Wyvax said:

UberReptilian said:

55JoNNo said:

UberReptilian said:

BardicInquisition said:

UberReptilian said:

Cadia101 said:

Could we stop with the pointless mono god debate ?

Never, that's like 60% of the fun being here. The other 40% is Cathay debates.

This is why it is time for Monogod stans and Cathayan stans to unite together and take the third game's core!

Ahh but only 4 slots are open, and that's 5 races. One must be sacrificed for the Pre Order. Let them fight over who it shall be.
I vote Khorne monogod.

leaked trailer footage:

Are those Skaven attacking Cathay? Skaven confirmed core! Skaven, Slannesh Monogod, Nurgle Monogod and Cathay are the core races. Khorne Monogod Pre Order and Tzeentch Monogod first DLC.

Naw those are an alien hivemind from another world. Tyranids for core in WH3 confirmed guys!!!

We joke but a part of me would love a slightly toned down Tyranid / Insectoid/ Swarm race

Ditto mate. I imagine they could plague some of the more distant regions of the planet like the jungles, warpstone desert and the deepest caverns, coming into contact mostly with Skaven, Lizardmen, Beastmen, Greenskins and the Dwarfs, rarely making it to the worlds of man or elf. Stranded nids on the Warhammer world, separated from the greater hivemind and unable to adapt any further, but with their higher bioforms like Hive Tyrants and Lictors gaining proper sentience of their own, making the race a comparable force on the world stage.

Remember that old lore for the Great Maw that hinted it was a tyranid spore impact? Would be great fun.

Maelas

Crossil said:

On top of that, Bardic has made the argument years ago and he is, from what I've seen, aware what the idea of monogods entails.

Fair point, I do concede that it does seems to point toward some of the most distinct way of doing monogods. Although you never know, as all Tzeentchian prophets, our can be quite the trickster !

But, then, maybe we could have some absolute curveball, like having Khorne/Slaanesh/Cathay/Chaos Dwarves/Ogres as core or something. Honestly, WH3 seems to be shaping to be quite unexpected if rumors and hints are to be believed

AxiosXiphos#9040

Maelas said:

Crossil said:

On top of that, Bardic has made the argument years ago and he is, from what I've seen, aware what the idea of monogods entails.

Fair point, I do concede that it does seems to point toward some of the most distinct way of doing monogods. Although you never know, as all Tzeentchian prophets, our can be quite the trickster !

But, then, maybe we could have some absolute curveball, like having Khorne/Slaanesh/Cathay/Chaos Dwarves/Ogres as core or something. Honestly, WH3 seems to be shaping to be quite unexpected if rumors and hints are to be believed

I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see something like;

Tzeentch, Slaanesh, Kislev & Ogres as the starters (or something to that effect).

However my heart still says Kislev are the pre-order; and if Kislev are the pre-order that pretty much guarantees mono-gods as independent factions to me (unless the Cathay curveball comes out of nowhere).