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well kingdoms of Ind has one very particular thing TIgermen which has been the only consistent thing mentioned through out all the wh lore , so i kind of want Ind to take this theme and run away with it. adding a vey indian touch to all the big cat units.
Now since Cathay is official in Warhammer 3, Ind is a natural progression. Ind is not much a developed faction in Warhammer universe, besides what ever was developed may have fallen in to some old stereotypes. So in order to give a detailed account of Indian legends myths and history that is loosely what Ind is based up on this forum is created.
A few basic ideas I want to lay out are-
1. When doing kingdoms of Ind kindly read the legends from India like Ramayana and Mahabharata. 2. We want vimanas(flying machines), ape soldiers(vaanar sena), nuke like missiles (brahmastra and other astra), mega giant chariots(search the word juggernaut and it's origin) , vyali( half lion half elephant giant mythical creature), garuda(giant eagle) , nagas (reptilians). etc.
on board with vimana,
naga are there on separate race they have pretty established wh lore and are part of Kuresh which is wh version of indo china pretty evil. ape men i am on fence on them good chance Cathay gets them with Monkey king however there is lore blurb of 6 armed monkey warriors of Ind.
Historians think china got this monkey warrior idea from Hanuman who is a ape man hero in ramayana. Nagas also same situation, even the word naga is Sanskrit I think.
Garuda is the vehicle of vishnu and also an enemy of reptiles(Nagas).
Intresting the Hinterlands of Kuresh are supposed to be ruled by Naga that conduct mass blood sacrifice.
The Naga of Kuresh are in theory based more on the legends of SE Asia than India but it would be interesting if Ind ended up loosely represented by Brama the preserver and the Kureshi Shiva the destroyer and that a rivalry between the two factions could exist on that dichotomy. (Although not being Hindu I'm not sure that even such a rivalry exists and since most Hindu are Shivanist I'm not so sure it would be a good idea)
Still it could be interesting, personally in my headcannon the Snakemen are an off shoot of the Lizardmen guarding the City of the Old Ones and they worship Sotek in a manner similar to the DE worship of Khaine.
there is one of the wh gods which choas fear this from ok 6 th edition
well kingdoms of Ind has one very particular thing TIgermen which has been the only consistent thing mentioned through out all the wh lore , so i kind of want Ind to take this theme and run away with it. adding a vey indian touch to all the big cat units.
Now since Cathay is official in Warhammer 3, Ind is a natural progression. Ind is not much a developed faction in Warhammer universe, besides what ever was developed may have fallen in to some old stereotypes. So in order to give a detailed account of Indian legends myths and history that is loosely what Ind is based up on this forum is created.
A few basic ideas I want to lay out are-
1. When doing kingdoms of Ind kindly read the legends from India like Ramayana and Mahabharata. 2. We want vimanas(flying machines), ape soldiers(vaanar sena), nuke like missiles (brahmastra and other astra), mega giant chariots(search the word juggernaut and it's origin) , vyali( half lion half elephant giant mythical creature), garuda(giant eagle) , nagas (reptilians). etc.
on board with vimana,
naga are there on separate race they have pretty established wh lore and are part of Kuresh which is wh version of indo china pretty evil. ape men i am on fence on them good chance Cathay gets them with Monkey king however there is lore blurb of 6 armed monkey warriors of Ind.
Historians think china got this monkey warrior idea from Hanuman who is a ape man hero in ramayana. Nagas also same situation, even the word naga is Sanskrit I think.
they are but wh fantsay there is pretty established lore so i doubt they will change it , specially doubt they will remove a entire race or big part of another race to make a way to another race,
what we can do use what we do know about current ind lore in wh and speculate how they can improve on it. if youre curious what lore ind has check out wh wiki on Ind its pretty detailed .
the only thing i know they miss are 6 armed monkey warriors and Winged lions from wh fantay 8 th edition rule book in the wiki plus its important to have one unified theme and than build on it
Ya but both can have them. For example cold ones were with dark elves and another Varity with lizard men. Ape man design, stats everything can be different.
Garuda is the vehicle of vishnu and also an enemy of reptiles(Nagas).
Intresting the Hinterlands of Kuresh are supposed to be ruled by Naga that conduct mass blood sacrifice.
The Naga of Kuresh are in theory based more on the legends of SE Asia than India but it would be interesting if Ind ended up loosely represented by Brama the preserver and the Kureshi Shiva the destroyer and that a rivalry between the two factions could exist on that dichotomy. (Although not being Hindu I'm not sure that even such a rivalry exists and since most Hindu are Shivanist I'm not so sure it would be a good idea)
Still it could be interesting, personally in my headcannon the Snakemen are an off shoot of the Lizardmen guarding the City of the Old Ones and they worship Sotek in a manner similar to the DE worship of Khaine.
there is one of the wh gods which choas fear
this from ok 6 th edition
Damn and they straight up say man and man-kin alike worship him implying that there are anti-chaos Beastmen.
Garuda is the vehicle of vishnu and also an enemy of reptiles(Nagas).
Intresting the Hinterlands of Kuresh are supposed to be ruled by Naga that conduct mass blood sacrifice.
The Naga of Kuresh are in theory based more on the legends of SE Asia than India but it would be interesting if Ind ended up loosely represented by Brama the preserver and the Kureshi Shiva the destroyer and that a rivalry between the two factions could exist on that dichotomy. (Although not being Hindu I'm not sure that even such a rivalry exists and since most Hindu are Shivanist I'm not so sure it would be a good idea)
Still it could be interesting, personally in my headcannon the Snakemen are an off shoot of the Lizardmen guarding the City of the Old Ones and they worship Sotek in a manner similar to the DE worship of Khaine.
Good idea. one correction though Vishnu is the preserver and Shiva destroyer. Brahma is the creator.
Garuda is the vehicle of vishnu and also an enemy of reptiles(Nagas).
Intresting the Hinterlands of Kuresh are supposed to be ruled by Naga that conduct mass blood sacrifice.
The Naga of Kuresh are in theory based more on the legends of SE Asia than India but it would be interesting if Ind ended up loosely represented by Brama the preserver and the Kureshi Shiva the destroyer and that a rivalry between the two factions could exist on that dichotomy. (Although not being Hindu I'm not sure that even such a rivalry exists and since most Hindu are Shivanist I'm not so sure it would be a good idea)
Still it could be interesting, personally in my headcannon the Snakemen are an off shoot of the Lizardmen guarding the City of the Old Ones and they worship Sotek in a manner similar to the DE worship of Khaine.
there is one of the wh gods which choas fear
this from ok 6 th edition
Damn and they straight up say man and man-kin alike worship him implying that there are anti-chaos Beastmen.
they always was people didn't want to believe it that Tigermen and other BM of Ind are not Chaos aligned .
Garuda is the vehicle of vishnu and also an enemy of reptiles(Nagas).
Intresting the Hinterlands of Kuresh are supposed to be ruled by Naga that conduct mass blood sacrifice.
The Naga of Kuresh are in theory based more on the legends of SE Asia than India but it would be interesting if Ind ended up loosely represented by Brama the preserver and the Kureshi Shiva the destroyer and that a rivalry between the two factions could exist on that dichotomy. (Although not being Hindu I'm not sure that even such a rivalry exists and since most Hindu are Shivanist I'm not so sure it would be a good idea)
Still it could be interesting, personally in my headcannon the Snakemen are an off shoot of the Lizardmen guarding the City of the Old Ones and they worship Sotek in a manner similar to the DE worship of Khaine.
Good idea. one correction though Vishnu is the preserver and Shiva destroyer. Brahma is the creator.
Oh snap, I knew that... Its time for bed. Thanks for the corrections.
well kingdoms of Ind has one very particular thing TIgermen which has been the only consistent thing mentioned through out all the wh lore , so i kind of want Ind to take this theme and run away with it. adding a vey indian touch to all the big cat units.
Now since Cathay is official in Warhammer 3, Ind is a natural progression. Ind is not much a developed faction in Warhammer universe, besides what ever was developed may have fallen in to some old stereotypes. So in order to give a detailed account of Indian legends myths and history that is loosely what Ind is based up on this forum is created.
A few basic ideas I want to lay out are-
1. When doing kingdoms of Ind kindly read the legends from India like Ramayana and Mahabharata. 2. We want vimanas(flying machines), ape soldiers(vaanar sena), nuke like missiles (brahmastra and other astra), mega giant chariots(search the word juggernaut and it's origin) , vyali( half lion half elephant giant mythical creature), garuda(giant eagle) , nagas (reptilians). etc.
on board with vimana,
naga are there on separate race they have pretty established wh lore and are part of Kuresh which is wh version of indo china pretty evil. ape men i am on fence on them good chance Cathay gets them with Monkey king however there is lore blurb of 6 armed monkey warriors of Ind.
Historians think china got this monkey warrior idea from Hanuman who is a ape man hero in ramayana. Nagas also same situation, even the word naga is Sanskrit I think.
they are but wh fantsay there is pretty established lore so i doubt they will change it , specially doubt they will remove a entire race or big part of another race to make a way to another race,
what we can do use what we do know about current ind lore in wh and speculate how they can improve on it. if youre curious what lore ind has check out wh wiki on Ind its pretty detailed .
the only thing i know they miss are 6 armed monkey warriors and Winged lions from wh fantay 8 th edition rule book in the wiki plus its important to have one unified theme and than build on it
Ya but both can have them. For example cold ones were with dark elves and another Varity with lizard men. Ape man design, stats everything can be different.
ape men sure they already have 6 armed monky warriors , but snakemen are plain evil in Wh , me personally want it to be more unique and bring the cat motif of Ind as the main theme.
Garuda is the vehicle of vishnu and also an enemy of reptiles(Nagas).
Intresting the Hinterlands of Kuresh are supposed to be ruled by Naga that conduct mass blood sacrifice.
The Naga of Kuresh are in theory based more on the legends of SE Asia than India but it would be interesting if Ind ended up loosely represented by Brama the preserver and the Kureshi Shiva the destroyer and that a rivalry between the two factions could exist on that dichotomy. (Although not being Hindu I'm not sure that even such a rivalry exists and since most Hindu are Shivanist I'm not so sure it would be a good idea)
Still it could be interesting, personally in my headcannon the Snakemen are an off shoot of the Lizardmen guarding the City of the Old Ones and they worship Sotek in a manner similar to the DE worship of Khaine.
there is one of the wh gods which choas fear
this from ok 6 th edition
Damn and they straight up say man and man-kin alike worship him implying that there are anti-chaos Beastmen.
they always was people didn't want to believe it that Tigermen and other BM of Ind are not Chaos aligned .
Yeah the Tigermen were always describes as non chaos aligned but I was thinking along the lines of this confirming even more other types of "good" Beastmen. I know that wasn't made clear though.
Garuda is the vehicle of vishnu and also an enemy of reptiles(Nagas).
Intresting the Hinterlands of Kuresh are supposed to be ruled by Naga that conduct mass blood sacrifice.
The Naga of Kuresh are in theory based more on the legends of SE Asia than India but it would be interesting if Ind ended up loosely represented by Brama the preserver and the Kureshi Shiva the destroyer and that a rivalry between the two factions could exist on that dichotomy. (Although not being Hindu I'm not sure that even such a rivalry exists and since most Hindu are Shivanist I'm not so sure it would be a good idea)
Still it could be interesting, personally in my headcannon the Snakemen are an off shoot of the Lizardmen guarding the City of the Old Ones and they worship Sotek in a manner similar to the DE worship of Khaine.
there is one of the wh gods which choas fear
this from ok 6 th edition
Damn and they straight up say man and man-kin alike worship him implying that there are anti-chaos Beastmen.
they always was people didn't want to believe it that Tigermen and other BM of Ind are not Chaos aligned .
Yeah the Tigermen were always describes as non chaos aligned but I was thinking along the lines of this confirming even more other types of "good" Beastmen. I know that wasn't made clear though.
i wish had made the time to post this back in the day when i was having the debates in the Kingdoms of Ind and tigermen are more allies than enemies , he is probably the reason why skarbrand was ordered to exterminate every single god of Ind in end times
Modem rendition of a vimana. People who studied nagara and dravidian architecture know inner sanctum of a hindu temple is also called a vimana so a mix of both ideas I think.
This is why I always thought the major gods of Ind like Brahmir should actually be an Old One or spirits of dead Old Ones. I mean who else had spaceships... The Vimanas should only be half functioning though, so it doesn't make Ind over powered. Like they can on longer fly, but the smaller ones can be wheeled into battle by teams of elephants. Has a powerful beam weapon, but slow and tanking. Something like that.
What I'd really like to see is GW take the idea of Aspect Warriors from 40K Eldar and use it for Ind's elite warriors. The concept's not being used by the Elves in Fantasy anyway.
Plus India has the Kshatriyas which could be interpreted as Aspect Warriors, but instead of Eldar Aspects of Khaine. The Ind Aspect Warriors would embody aspects of the Ind Gods.
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Maybe Ind and Kuresh should be non human factions? I know that would mean way more work but with human Cathay and a Nippon that would have to be human to cash in on the popularity of samurai and feudal Japan there would need to be more non human races to avoid an over saturation of man-things in the eastern factions
Maybe Ind and Kuresh should be non human factions? I know that would mean way more work but with human Cathay and a Nippon that would have to be human to cash in on the popularity of samurai and feudal Japan there would need to be more non human races to avoid an over saturation of man-things in the eastern factions
Ya Ind should be a mix of human, ape, bird, reptile, beast everything. But the beastmen should be non-chaos type in my opinion.
Oh I would love to see ind. Much more then cathay infact. There are so msny things you could do with this faction. What I would like to see is an Ind that would play kinda like the empire but with beastmen creatures instead of many gunpowder units.
So what I would like to see are basic human troops, who not only can be based on ancient or medival indian soldiers but also could take up a few flavours from other southeastern people. These more or less basic infantry could then be supported by a wide variety of bestial units. Next to the creatures the OP talked about I would also like to see mahouts with normal elephants (maybe with cannons on their backs), Tigermen, apemen (Ape not monkey. I would like to see Orang-utan or Gigantopiticus- like creatures for this) and many more.
Additionally india provides a unique faction design and intrueging gameplay possibilites. From monopolizing the spices (the spice must flow) to having potential dilemma whether you want to maintain or destroy the world so it can be reborn again. The latter fits partially indian mythology were a trio of gods is tasked with creation, maintenance and destruction. And it also fits warhammers new lore were worlds are constantly destroyed for the creation of a new mortal plain. This motiv of cycles destruction and creation can be found in various cultures and religions btw.
And for those who think cathay only came due to the chinese market: India has one of the fastes growing economies in the world with a higher population than china. It will be the video game market of the future
Oh I would love to see ind. Much more then cathay infact. There are so msny things you could do with this faction. What I would like to see is an Ind that would play kinda like the empire but with beastmen creatures instead of many gunpowder units.
So what I would like to see are basic human troops, who not only can be based on ancient or medival indian soldiers but also could take up a few flavours from other southeastern people. These more or less basic infantry could then be supported by a wide variety of bestial units. Next to the creatures the OP talked about I would also like to see mahouts with normal elephants (maybe with cannons on their backs), Tigermen, apemen (Ape not monkey. I would like to see Orang-utan or Gigantopiticus- like creatures for this) and many more.
Additionally india provides a unique faction design and intrueging gameplay possibilites. From monopolizing the spices (the spice must flow) to having potential dilemma whether you want to maintain or destroy the world so it can be reborn again. The latter fits partially indian mythology were a trio of gods is tasked with creation, maintenance and destruction. And it also fits warhammers new lore were worlds are constantly destroyed for the creation of a new mortal plain. This motiv of cycles destruction and creation can be found in various cultures and religions btw.
And for those who think cathay only came due to the chinese market: India has one of the fastes growing economies in the world with a higher population than china. It will be the video game market of the future
I think a mechanism can be implemented where Vishnu the preserver try to reduce the chaos to protect the world by sending avatars, but if chaos goes beyond a particular level Shiva the destroyer will start sending his demons to destroy the world. But using Gods directly may become controversial and cause some trouble for CA, so i think it may be better to stick with heroes and creatures.
Oh I would love to see ind. Much more then cathay infact. There are so msny things you could do with this faction. What I would like to see is an Ind that would play kinda like the empire but with beastmen creatures instead of many gunpowder units.
So what I would like to see are basic human troops, who not only can be based on ancient or medival indian soldiers but also could take up a few flavours from other southeastern people. These more or less basic infantry could then be supported by a wide variety of bestial units. Next to the creatures the OP talked about I would also like to see mahouts with normal elephants (maybe with cannons on their backs), Tigermen, apemen (Ape not monkey. I would like to see Orang-utan or Gigantopiticus- like creatures for this) and many more.
Additionally india provides a unique faction design and intrueging gameplay possibilites. From monopolizing the spices (the spice must flow) to having potential dilemma whether you want to maintain or destroy the world so it can be reborn again. The latter fits partially indian mythology were a trio of gods is tasked with creation, maintenance and destruction. And it also fits warhammers new lore were worlds are constantly destroyed for the creation of a new mortal plain. This motiv of cycles destruction and creation can be found in various cultures and religions btw.
And for those who think cathay only came due to the chinese market: India has one of the fastes growing economies in the world with a higher population than china. It will be the video game market of the future
Oh I would love to see ind. Much more then cathay infact. There are so msny things you could do with this faction. What I would like to see is an Ind that would play kinda like the empire but with beastmen creatures instead of many gunpowder units.
So what I would like to see are basic human troops, who not only can be based on ancient or medival indian soldiers but also could take up a few flavours from other southeastern people. These more or less basic infantry could then be supported by a wide variety of bestial units. Next to the creatures the OP talked about I would also like to see mahouts with normal elephants (maybe with cannons on their backs), Tigermen, apemen (Ape not monkey. I would like to see Orang-utan or Gigantopiticus- like creatures for this) and many more.
Additionally india provides a unique faction design and intrueging gameplay possibilites. From monopolizing the spices (the spice must flow) to having potential dilemma whether you want to maintain or destroy the world so it can be reborn again. The latter fits partially indian mythology were a trio of gods is tasked with creation, maintenance and destruction. And it also fits warhammers new lore were worlds are constantly destroyed for the creation of a new mortal plain. This motiv of cycles destruction and creation can be found in various cultures and religions btw.
And for those who think cathay only came due to the chinese market: India has one of the fastes growing economies in the world with a higher population than china. It will be the video game market of the future
I think a mechanism can be implemented where Vishnu the preserver try to reduce the chaos to protect the world by sending avatars, but if chaos goes beyond a particular level Shiva the destroyer will start sending his demons to destroy the world. But using Gods directly may become controversial and cause some trouble for CA, so i think it may be better to stick with heroes and creatures.
That is approximatly what I imagined. However I would not use real indian deities for this, but rather fictional ones which are roughly based upon them, in the same sense as many empire gods are roughly based on norse and roman deities.
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1 · Disagree AgreeI don't know a huge amount about Indian mythology but the imagery and art style I've seen are fascinating.
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2 · Disagree Agreeor spirits of dead Old Ones. I mean who else had spaceships... The Vimanas should only be half functioning though, so it doesn't make Ind over powered. Like they can on longer fly, but the smaller ones can be wheeled into battle by teams of elephants. Has a powerful beam weapon, but slow and tanking. Something like that.
What I'd really like to see is GW take the idea of Aspect Warriors from 40K Eldar and use it for Ind's elite warriors.
The concept's not being used by the Elves in Fantasy anyway.
Plus India has the Kshatriyas which could be interpreted as Aspect Warriors, but instead of Eldar Aspects of Khaine. The Ind Aspect Warriors would embody aspects of the Ind Gods.
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2 · Disagree 1AgreeWhat I would like to see is an Ind that would play kinda like the empire but with beastmen creatures instead of many gunpowder units.
So what I would like to see are basic human troops, who not only can be based on ancient or medival indian soldiers but also could take up a few flavours from other southeastern people.
These more or less basic infantry could then be supported by a wide variety of bestial units. Next to the creatures the OP talked about I would also like to see mahouts with normal elephants (maybe with cannons on their backs), Tigermen, apemen (Ape not monkey. I would like to see Orang-utan or Gigantopiticus- like creatures for this) and many more.
Additionally india provides a unique faction design and intrueging gameplay possibilites. From monopolizing the spices (the spice must flow) to having potential dilemma whether you want to maintain or destroy the world so it can be reborn again. The latter fits partially indian mythology were a trio of gods is tasked with creation, maintenance and destruction. And it also fits warhammers new lore were worlds are constantly destroyed for the creation of a new mortal plain. This motiv of cycles destruction and creation can be found in various cultures and religions btw.
And for those who think cathay only came due to the chinese market: India has one of the fastes growing economies in the world with a higher population than china. It will be the video game market of the future
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