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Race 200%, with four factions. one based in Estalia Another in Tilea Ohter in the Border Princes And other as a mercenary band like those we have in 3k
Tilea: Borgio the Besieger
Estalia: Marco Colombo.
Border Princes: Mydas the mean
Mercenary Band: Morgan Bernhardt
You did not just made a Dow lineup without Lucrezzia !
Is Gashnag the only option to represent border Princes?
There's Lietpold the Black too but there's no reason we can't get both.
I am thinking of who to choose if we only get 4LL with them. At first
Well if I had to chose then I would go for Gashnag since having a good Vampire would be more unique.
What would be his battlefield role compared to who else is coming with him?
Gashnag would be a hybrid melee/caster Lord like any other vampire, he would also not be bad in combat, since he is a Strigoi, no mounts since he doesn't want people to know about him being a Strigoi, he is supposed to just be cursed to look like that, maybe a horse of some kind.
Leitpold is the cavalry Lord of the faction, focus on mobility and the different cavalry units of the race, more a buffer than a beat stick.
What would be his lore of magic ? I mean he can not go around raising dead or well casting invocation of nehak on living unit is pointless
Is Gashnag the only option to represent border Princes?
There's Lietpold the Black too but there's no reason we can't get both.
I am thinking of who to choose if we only get 4LL with them. At first
Well if I had to chose then I would go for Gashnag since having a good Vampire would be more unique.
What would be his battlefield role compared to who else is coming with him?
Gashnag would be a hybrid melee/caster Lord like any other vampire, he would also not be bad in combat, since he is a Strigoi, no mounts since he doesn't want people to know about him being a Strigoi, he is supposed to just be cursed to look like that, maybe a horse of some kind.
Leitpold is the cavalry Lord of the faction, focus on mobility and the different cavalry units of the race, more a buffer than a beat stick.
What would be his lore of magic ? I mean he can not go around raising dead or well casting invocation of nehak on living unit is pointless
Probably lore of Death.
"By the fires of Hashut, let them burn in the flames of eternal torment!" - Anonymous
Is Gashnag the only option to represent border Princes?
There's Lietpold the Black too but there's no reason we can't get both.
I am thinking of who to choose if we only get 4LL with them. At first
Well if I had to chose then I would go for Gashnag since having a good Vampire would be more unique.
What would be his battlefield role compared to who else is coming with him?
Gashnag would be a hybrid melee/caster Lord like any other vampire, he would also not be bad in combat, since he is a Strigoi, no mounts since he doesn't want people to know about him being a Strigoi, he is supposed to just be cursed to look like that, maybe a horse of some kind.
Leitpold is the cavalry Lord of the faction, focus on mobility and the different cavalry units of the race, more a buffer than a beat stick.
What would be his lore of magic ? I mean he can not go around raising dead or well casting invocation of nehak on living unit is pointless
And i really want a southern gods presit LL for Estalia do we have any?
Yes, Isabella Giovanna Luccelli, the Aguila Ultima, the leader of the cult of Myrmidia, her place of power is in Magritta and she has pledged alliance to the great temple of Myrmidia in there, even though she was born in Tilea.
"By the fires of Hashut, let them burn in the flames of eternal torment!" - Anonymous
The faction specific RoR are only called so because CA used the term Regiments of Renown of the Dogs of War units.
They were otherwise just named Units.
Well that’s annoying. CA should have just called the faction specific ones ‘“Distinguished Units” for the 30th Anniversary,’ and left RoR to be exclusively associated with DoW.
It's a damn shame Estalia barely has any lore, I hope GW will flesh out the Southern Realms in TOW.
They have enough for 2 LL at least, Isabella Giovanna Luccelli is the equivalent of Volkmar but for Myrmidia, so she is pretty important.
The other option is Juan Franco, the leader of the order of the Righteous Spear, one the most important Knigth orders working for the cult of Myrmidia.
"By the fires of Hashut, let them burn in the flames of eternal torment!" - Anonymous
My preferance/prediction is DoW as mercenary LL's with a unique, exclusive, untradeable recruitment pool mostly RoR. Similar to how Gotrek and Felix work. Would add strategic depth to numerous factions rather then just adding one new faction.
So in answer to OP, both?
TW:WH2 needs a playable Legendary Lord for every TW:WH1 race on Vortex before it can be considered complete.
And i really want a southern gods presit LL for Estalia do we have any?
Yes, Isabella Giovanna Luccelli, the Aguila Ultima, the leader of the cult of Myrmidia, her place of power is in Magritta and she has pledged alliance to the great temple of Myrmidia in there, even though she was born in Tilea.
Cool i actually think Isabella would ve better than the other Juan.
Just cause i see Juan being more of melee beat stick
I guess that leaves us with the other two LL one from tilea ( choice between borgio and Lucrezzia) and other also or do we go for marco or mydeas.
I would prefer marco on the fact the he is ranged combatant over mydeas or do we have better choice for 4 th LL?
And i really want a southern gods presit LL for Estalia do we have any?
Yes, Isabella Giovanna Luccelli, the Aguila Ultima, the leader of the cult of Myrmidia, her place of power is in Magritta and she has pledged alliance to the great temple of Myrmidia in there, even though she was born in Tilea.
Cool i actually think Isabella would ve better than the other Juan.
Just cause i see Juan being more of melee beat stick
I guess that leaves us with the other two LL one from tilea ( choice between borgio and Lucrezzia) and other also or do we go for marco or mydeas.
I would prefer marco on the fact the he is ranged combatant over mydeas or do we have better choice for 4 th LL?
The thing is Borgio is the most important LL they have and Lucrezzia is the only wizard LL, so they both should get in at the same time.
When the 4 we have discussed are in, then CA can start to touch other themes, like Jaego Roth as a pirate LL, he could also be the ranged LL, El Cadavo as a explorer LL in the New World Colonies or Mydas the Mean as a Paymaster LL, also, if Gashnag gets in at launch over Leitpold, Leitpold should arrive later, either as DLC or FLC.
"By the fires of Hashut, let them burn in the flames of eternal torment!" - Anonymous
I prefer the DoW to be mostly ROR for several factions. Because in the end the DoW were never a cohesive force but a pool in which GWs dropped for which they had no place for elsewhere. In this messy format they do not fit TWWH IMO.
However I would like to see the more coherent aspects, nameley the Southern Realms, to be turned into a proper playable faction.
Agreed. I do not believe the destruction RoR in particular fit into an 8th edition Warhammer fantasy interpretation of DoW based on Tilea, including Ogres.
Orcs and that psycho Dark Elf, maybe they can be considered too out there... but the Ogres can be perfect mercenaries, they are brutish but still sane, love gold and don't crave violence for the sake of violence like Greenskins. The Maneaters are Ogres who travelled the world as mercenaries and then returned to their people, evidently if Maneaters exist there must be Ogres still employed as mercenaries abroad.
And i really want a southern gods presit LL for Estalia do we have any?
Yes, Isabella Giovanna Luccelli, the Aguila Ultima, the leader of the cult of Myrmidia, her place of power is in Magritta and she has pledged alliance to the great temple of Myrmidia in there, even though she was born in Tilea.
Cool i actually think Isabella would ve better than the other Juan.
Just cause i see Juan being more of melee beat stick
I guess that leaves us with the other two LL one from tilea ( choice between borgio and Lucrezzia) and other also or do we go for marco or mydeas.
I would prefer marco on the fact the he is ranged combatant over mydeas or do we have better choice for 4 th LL?
The thing is Borgio is the most important LL they have and Lucrezzia is the only wizard LL, so they both should get in at the same time.
When the 4 we have discussed are in, then CA can start to touch other themes, like Jaego Roth as a pirate LL, he could also be the ranged LL, El Cadavo as a explorer LL in the New World Colonies or Mydas the Mean as a Paymaster LL, also, if Gashnag gets in at launch over Leitpold, Leitpold should arrive later, either as DLC or FLC.
Yes but this point a safe bet would be a 4ll race at beginning with hopefully more support down the line
I guess if we recap. Borgio Melee tank , race leader Isabella Myrmidia high priestess = support lord Lucrezzia caster lord though was she a caster? On her rules. Gashnag as melee caster hybrid
And i really want a southern gods presit LL for Estalia do we have any?
Yes, Isabella Giovanna Luccelli, the Aguila Ultima, the leader of the cult of Myrmidia, her place of power is in Magritta and she has pledged alliance to the great temple of Myrmidia in there, even though she was born in Tilea.
Cool i actually think Isabella would ve better than the other Juan.
Just cause i see Juan being more of melee beat stick
I guess that leaves us with the other two LL one from tilea ( choice between borgio and Lucrezzia) and other also or do we go for marco or mydeas.
I would prefer marco on the fact the he is ranged combatant over mydeas or do we have better choice for 4 th LL?
The thing is Borgio is the most important LL they have and Lucrezzia is the only wizard LL, so they both should get in at the same time.
When the 4 we have discussed are in, then CA can start to touch other themes, like Jaego Roth as a pirate LL, he could also be the ranged LL, El Cadavo as a explorer LL in the New World Colonies or Mydas the Mean as a Paymaster LL, also, if Gashnag gets in at launch over Leitpold, Leitpold should arrive later, either as DLC or FLC.
Yes but this point a safe bet would be a 4ll race at beginning with hopefully more support down the line
I guess if we recap. Borgio Melee tank , race leader Isabella Myrmidia high priestess = support lord Lucrezzia caster lord though was she a caster? On her rules. Gashnag as melee caster hybrid
Thats a pretty decent line up of say so my self.
Yes, Lucrezzia was a caster.
"The most beautiful woman in all of Tilea, and some say even the whole of the Old World, is Lucrezzia Belladonna. She is also the most dangerous to know! Lucrezzia is a renowned sorceress and rumoured to be an arch poisoner, mistress of many assassins! " Also, yes, they have a pretty good amount of LL, that is the thing that DoW/TEB most have of, the you give them a basic shared amount of units, like crossbowmen and pikemen, and then all the RoR that they see fit.
"By the fires of Hashut, let them burn in the flames of eternal torment!" - Anonymous
A mechanic, where units from different armies can be recruited depending on the region/who owns it if you have good relations.
The faction should stay off the table until the Far East is properly fleshed out.
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"We threatened to grind their bones up to make bread if they didn't pay. Course that's just a threat - it takes too long to grind 'em and most of this lot are just as 'appy to eat'em raw." -- Olag Skullcracker, Ogre Tyrant
And i really want a southern gods presit LL for Estalia do we have any?
Yes, Isabella Giovanna Luccelli, the Aguila Ultima, the leader of the cult of Myrmidia, her place of power is in Magritta and she has pledged alliance to the great temple of Myrmidia in there, even though she was born in Tilea.
Cool i actually think Isabella would ve better than the other Juan.
Just cause i see Juan being more of melee beat stick
I guess that leaves us with the other two LL one from tilea ( choice between borgio and Lucrezzia) and other also or do we go for marco or mydeas.
I would prefer marco on the fact the he is ranged combatant over mydeas or do we have better choice for 4 th LL?
The thing is Borgio is the most important LL they have and Lucrezzia is the only wizard LL, so they both should get in at the same time.
When the 4 we have discussed are in, then CA can start to touch other themes, like Jaego Roth as a pirate LL, he could also be the ranged LL, El Cadavo as a explorer LL in the New World Colonies or Mydas the Mean as a Paymaster LL, also, if Gashnag gets in at launch over Leitpold, Leitpold should arrive later, either as DLC or FLC.
Yes but this point a safe bet would be a 4ll race at beginning with hopefully more support down the line
I guess if we recap. Borgio Melee tank , race leader Isabella Myrmidia high priestess = support lord Lucrezzia caster lord though was she a caster? On her rules. Gashnag as melee caster hybrid
Thats a pretty decent line up of say so my self.
Yes, Lucrezzia was a caster.
"The most beautiful woman in all of Tilea, and some say even the whole of the Old World, is Lucrezzia Belladonna. She is also the most dangerous to know! Lucrezzia is a renowned sorceress and rumoured to be an arch poisoner, mistress of many assassins! " Also, yes, they have a pretty good amount of LL, that is the thing that DoW/TEB most have of, the you give them a basic shared amount of units, like crossbowmen and pikemen, and then all the RoR that they see fit.
I assume we can bring over most southern god units from empire since if we add them all to empire that would be bloat for the bloat god situation but i am curious which of them can be moved easily?
And i really want a southern gods presit LL for Estalia do we have any?
Yes, Isabella Giovanna Luccelli, the Aguila Ultima, the leader of the cult of Myrmidia, her place of power is in Magritta and she has pledged alliance to the great temple of Myrmidia in there, even though she was born in Tilea.
Cool i actually think Isabella would ve better than the other Juan.
Just cause i see Juan being more of melee beat stick
I guess that leaves us with the other two LL one from tilea ( choice between borgio and Lucrezzia) and other also or do we go for marco or mydeas.
I would prefer marco on the fact the he is ranged combatant over mydeas or do we have better choice for 4 th LL?
The thing is Borgio is the most important LL they have and Lucrezzia is the only wizard LL, so they both should get in at the same time.
When the 4 we have discussed are in, then CA can start to touch other themes, like Jaego Roth as a pirate LL, he could also be the ranged LL, El Cadavo as a explorer LL in the New World Colonies or Mydas the Mean as a Paymaster LL, also, if Gashnag gets in at launch over Leitpold, Leitpold should arrive later, either as DLC or FLC.
Yes but this point a safe bet would be a 4ll race at beginning with hopefully more support down the line
I guess if we recap. Borgio Melee tank , race leader Isabella Myrmidia high priestess = support lord Lucrezzia caster lord though was she a caster? On her rules. Gashnag as melee caster hybrid
Thats a pretty decent line up of say so my self.
Yes, Lucrezzia was a caster.
"The most beautiful woman in all of Tilea, and some say even the whole of the Old World, is Lucrezzia Belladonna. She is also the most dangerous to know! Lucrezzia is a renowned sorceress and rumoured to be an arch poisoner, mistress of many assassins! " Also, yes, they have a pretty good amount of LL, that is the thing that DoW/TEB most have of, the you give them a basic shared amount of units, like crossbowmen and pikemen, and then all the RoR that they see fit.
I assume we can bring over most southern god units from empire since if we add them all to empire that would be bloat for the bloat god situation but i am curious which of them can be moved easily?
The only unit the Empire has that could easily made available to DoW are the KoTBS, since they are also devotes to Myrmidia, then you can easily get swordmen, spearmen, crosbowem, some kind of light cavalry and cannons, this are generic units that don't have unique ties to the Empire, then if you really want to get creative you can make generic versions of the special RoR, like a generic version of the Birdmen.
"By the fires of Hashut, let them burn in the flames of eternal torment!" - Anonymous
May he be remembered as part of the name of ror of the genric roman type legenaroies unit in game.
Except he wasn't the leader of a regiment- he's a merchant prince and one of the few named lords that the Dogs of War had.
Frankly, it annoys me that people leave out characters like Lucrezzia and Lorenzo, actual statted characters, in favor of people from the RPG texts. Usually this is done because people feel there need to be playable reps for Estalia and the Border Princes but I see no reason why this needs to be the case. I'm not opposed to characters from these regions, but only after we get the three living lords from the army book- Borgio, Lucrezzia, and Lorenzo.
Remember: there's no reason to get angry on the forums. Be polite and respectful towards other people's opinions, even if you disagree.
May he be remembered as part of the name of ror of the genric roman type legenaroies unit in game.
Except he wasn't the leader of a regiment- he's a merchant prince and one of the few named lords that the Dogs of War had.
Frankly, it annoys me that people leave out characters like Lucrezzia and Lorenzo, actual statted characters, in favor of people from the RPG texts. Usually this is done because people feel there need to be playable reps for Estalia and the Border Princes but I see no reason why this needs to be the case. I'm not opposed to characters from these regions, but only after we get the three living lords from the army book- Borgio, Lucrezzia, and Lorenzo.
we get two out of three , but quite frankly Borgio and Lorenzo are inter changeable just that Borgio is mor popular,
and those other characters represents Estalia and border princess as well as bring unique play styles and flavour. for me i think that is far more important than religious adherence to army book.
They could use Morgan Bernhardt as a legendary lord for the Border Princes.
They could possibly do a Border Prince mercenary campaign with him. I'd imagine they could do a campaign that is similar to "total war Attila: The Last Roman" campaign.
Morgan Bernhardt and his mercenary Grudgebringer bands could act like a semi-horde faction and conquer land in the name of the Border Princes. They could have a campaign mechanic where Morgan Bernhardt can select from a list of random generated contracts... and they would automatically have to fight X number of armies or take X settlement from X faction, etc.
Their economy could be primarily based on the completion of contracts.
In the game "Warhammer: Shadow of the Horned Rat" The mercenary units have their own armor aesthetics and design. To be honest.. these games are somewhat similar in some aspects. CA could definitely get some inspiration for a Border Princes Mercenary faction and campaign design with this game.
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I guess that leaves us with the other two LL one from tilea ( choice between borgio and Lucrezzia) and other also or do we go for marco or mydeas.
I would prefer marco on the fact the he is ranged combatant over mydeas or do we have better choice for 4 th LL?
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Borgio Melee tank , race leader
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Lucrezzia caster lord though was she a caster? On her rules.
Gashnag as melee caster hybrid
Thats a pretty decent line up of say so my self.
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Also, yes, they have a pretty good amount of LL, that is the thing that DoW/TEB most have of, the you give them a basic shared amount of units, like crossbowmen and pikemen, and then all the RoR that they see fit.
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0 · Disagree AgreeFrankly, it annoys me that people leave out characters like Lucrezzia and Lorenzo, actual statted characters, in favor of people from the RPG texts. Usually this is done because people feel there need to be playable reps for Estalia and the Border Princes but I see no reason why this needs to be the case. I'm not opposed to characters from these regions, but only after we get the three living lords from the army book- Borgio, Lucrezzia, and Lorenzo.
Let Slip the Dogs of War - A fanmade Campaign Pack concept
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for me i think that is far more important than religious adherence to army book.
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Morgan Bernhardt and his mercenary Grudgebringer bands could act like a semi-horde faction and conquer land in the name of the Border Princes. They could have a campaign mechanic where Morgan Bernhardt can select from a list of random generated contracts... and they would automatically have to fight X number of armies or take X settlement from X faction, etc.
Their economy could be primarily based on the completion of contracts.
In the game "Warhammer: Shadow of the Horned Rat" The mercenary units have their own armor aesthetics and design. To be honest.. these games are somewhat similar in some aspects. CA could definitely get some inspiration for a Border Princes Mercenary faction and campaign design with this game.
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