My theory why Araby and DoW were not introduced to game 2

#915734 · February 2021

Hello everyone.

Simply because among the options they had, Araby and other minor races were among the last ones, and because they were also working on Warhammer III, which took all the resources of race design team, fleshing out Kislev and Cathay, and before that they also worked on Vampire Coast, so there wasn't room for other races. Even DoW which fit well on Vortex map and have an army book didn't make it in. Other reason I guess is because after Tomb Kings they went for a race in Lustria for the sake of diversity, instead of making other desert race next to the previous one.

I don't find any sense on the comment that Araby was ruled out because of sensitivities and politics,It just a matter of priorities and limited time and resources that's all, by that rule they would have to exclude all arab and islamic factions from historical games, "maybe Medieval III comes without north africa and the middle east". And crusades are already in the game, Araby is mostly occupied by Bretonians, they even have a landmark port.

There is still the possibility of DoW as pre-order, but this after finishing Kislev and Cathay.

Captain_Rex#1635 · February 2021

I said it a million times already, DoW belong to the Dark Lands and were always meant to come in WH3. People who seriously expected them in WH2 were doomed to be disappointed...

Just read their armybook.... it’s all about Tilea, the Dark Lands and Trade roads to the east.

Regarding Araby... it’s Dead.

Dendrofiel · February 2021

ArneSo said:
I said it a million times already, DoW belong to the Dark Lands and were always meant to come in WH3. People who seriously expected them in WH2 were doomed to be disappointed...

Just read their armybook.... it’s all about Tilea, the Dark Lands and Trade roads to the east.

Regarding Araby... it’s Dead.

Lets have a moment of Ululation for Araby.

MrDragon#2461 · February 2021

ArneSo said:

Regarding Araby... it’s Dead.

It's not actually dead-dead. (Just... very corpse-like)
It is however very unlikely.
They have not said they will "never" do Araby. They've just said there are "no plans". Which is not the same thing.
Let's just say... I wouldn't hold my breath for them.
A lot would have to change and a lot of other content would have to be added before Araby might even go to the drawing table, let alone be produced.

Captain_Rex#1635 · February 2021

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

Regarding Araby... it’s Dead.
It's not actually dead-dead. (Just... very corpse-like)
It is however very unlikely.
They have not said they will "never" do Araby. They've just said there are "no plans". Which is not the same thing.
Let's just say... I wouldn't hold my breath for them.
A lot would have to change and a lot of other content would have to be added before Araby might even go to the drawing table, let alone be produced.

CA confirmed it’s dead twice and if we think about it realistically, it won’t fit on the WH3 map anyways.

Crossil#2134 · February 2021

ArneSo said:
I said it a million times already, DoW belong to the Dark Lands and were always meant to come in WH3. People who seriously expected them in WH2 were doomed to be disappointed...

Just read their armybook.... it’s all about Tilea, the Dark Lands and Trade roads to the east.

It goes to show you didn't read it.

It's about Tilea 30% at the least, more if you count Tilean regiments. However, the Darklands and eastern trade routes don't get mentioned until the very last couple of pages.

Majority of their trade routes are within the Old World and their most consistent campaigning area outside of the Old World is the New World. They are the conquistadords of Warhammer Fantasy, with several mercenary companies and characters having embarked there. By comparison, the only mercenary companies to have ever been east of the World Edge Mountains are the ones that have originated from there, namely Hobgoblins and Ogres, whereas the ones that have been to the New World also encompasses regiments that have campaigned there, rather than just originated from there.

Labria#2848 · February 2021

Araby is dead Jim. Araby area is just Bretonnia colony.

We have to many hits in the game for Dogs of War/Southern Realms like Norsca tech tree, Miragliano as 10 slots city, Southern Realms as own race in diplomacy menu etc. It's obvious that CA plan to make them full playable race soon or later.

I would not be surprised if Dogs of War/Southern Realms is pre-order race pack.

Captain_Rex#1635 · February 2021

Crossil said:

ArneSo said:
I said it a million times already, DoW belong to the Dark Lands and were always meant to come in WH3. People who seriously expected them in WH2 were doomed to be disappointed...

Just read their armybook.... it’s all about Tilea, the Dark Lands and Trade roads to the east.
It goes to show you didn't read it.

It's about Tilea 30% at the least, more if you count Tilean regiments. However, the Darklands and eastern trade routes don't get mentioned until the very last couple of pages.

Majority of their trade routes are within the Old World and their most consistent campaigning area outside of the Old World is the New World. They are the conquistadords of Warhammer Fantasy, with several mercenary companies and characters having embarked there. By comparison, the only mercenary companies to have ever been east of the World Edge Mountains are the ones that have originated from there, namely Hobgoblins and Ogres, whereas the ones that have been to the New World also encompasses regiments that have campaigned there, rather than just originated from there.

Doesn’t change the point that they were always meant to come in WH3 and as it seems right now, that’s correct.

MrDragon#2461 · February 2021

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

Regarding Araby... it’s Dead.
It's not actually dead-dead. (Just... very corpse-like)
It is however very unlikely.
They have not said they will "never" do Araby. They've just said there are "no plans". Which is not the same thing.
Let's just say... I wouldn't hold my breath for them.
A lot would have to change and a lot of other content would have to be added before Araby might even go to the drawing table, let alone be produced.

CA confirmed it’s dead twice and if we think about it officially, it won’t fit on the WH3 map anyways.

Show me where they explicitly said Araby will "never" come.
I've seen the posts you're talking about and they never completely ruled it out.
They have however shot down any chance of it happening any time soon pretty thoroughly yes.
As for the WH3 map: Oh yes, that's not gonna happen. They would have to be secluded to the grand campaign mega-map and or get a new map of their own with some kind of distant future DLC.

I'm not saying it's likely. Heck I'm sceptical it will ever happen, but it's not an absolute infallible truth.

How about we agree on this:
"The chances of Araby happening are statistically negligible in the next five years."
I think that is a more reasonable statement to make, if a bit wordy.
Saying it's 'dead' is indeed faster and more elegant, just not entirely truthful.

Grotbagg#2528 · February 2021

As DoW includes races that have not yet been released (for example ogres), I suppose it would be suitable to release DoW as the last faction, ie in WTW3.

Captain_Rex#1635 · February 2021

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

Regarding Araby... it’s Dead.
It's not actually dead-dead. (Just... very corpse-like)
It is however very unlikely.
They have not said they will "never" do Araby. They've just said there are "no plans". Which is not the same thing.
Let's just say... I wouldn't hold my breath for them.
A lot would have to change and a lot of other content would have to be added before Araby might even go to the drawing table, let alone be produced.

CA confirmed it’s dead twice and if we think about it officially, it won’t fit on the WH3 map anyways.
Show me where they explicitly said Araby will "never" come.
I've seen the posts you're talking about and they never completely ruled it out.
They have however shot down any chance of it happening any time soon pretty thoroughly yes.
As for the WH3 map: Oh yes, that's not gonna happen. They would have to be secluded to the grand campaign mega-map and or get a new map of their own with some kind of distant future DLC.

I'm not saying it's likely. Heck I'm sceptical it will ever happen, but it's not an absolute infallible truth.

How about we agree on this:
"The chances of Araby happening are statistically negligible in the next five years."
I think that is a more reasonable statement to make, if a bit wordy.
Saying it's 'dead' is indeed faster and more elegant, just not entirely truthful.

They said they don’t have plans for Araby in general. That’s pretty clear.

Of course they can change their mind... but look at the map... there is no space anymore. Araby is filled with playable Characters already.

We have to accept it mate. It’s dead, buried and rotten. We might get some Araby units with the DoW though...

Red_Dox#2328 · February 2021

ArneSo said:

CA confirmed it’s dead twice and if we think about it officially, it won’t fit on the WH3 map anyways.

https://np.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/e6idk3/total_war_warhammer_ii_repanse_de_lyonesse_on/
That was the 2nd time, and as with the prior statement the second time they said "currently".
Since we are now in Cathay territory, which most people would have laughed off a month ago...the chances might not be good (because Dark Lands and Araby does not fit well imo) but Cathays chances last month were worse when there currently were no plans for the better fleshed out Araby

------Red Dox

Captain_Rex#1635 · February 2021

Red_Dox said:

ArneSo said:

CA confirmed it’s dead twice and if we think about it officially, it won’t fit on the WH3 map anyways.

https://np.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/e6idk3/total_war_warhammer_ii_repanse_de_lyonesse_on/
That was the 2nd time, and as with the prior statement the second time they said "currently".
Since we are now in Cathay territory, which most people would have laughed off a month ago...the chances might not be good (because Dark Lands and Araby does not fit well imo) but Cathays chances last month were worse when there currently were no plans for the better fleshed out Araby

------Red Dox

That’s one statement. Grace specifically added „In General“.

Unbelievable that we are still having this discussion. 😂🤷‍♂️

sykall#1105 · February 2021

ArneSo said:

Red_Dox said:

ArneSo said:

CA confirmed it’s dead twice and if we think about it officially, it won’t fit on the WH3 map anyways.

https://np.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/e6idk3/total_war_warhammer_ii_repanse_de_lyonesse_on/
That was the 2nd time, and as with the prior statement the second time they said "currently".
Since we are now in Cathay territory, which most people would have laughed off a month ago...the chances might not be good (because Dark Lands and Araby does not fit well imo) but Cathays chances last month were worse when there currently were no plans for the better fleshed out Araby

------Red Dox
That’s one statement. Grace specifically added „In General“.

Unbelievable that we are still having this discussion. 😂🤷‍♂️

With Cathays inclusion as a core faction plus monogods who would also need new complementary units ALL possibilities are in I'd say. So Araby while stile unlikley is not impossible.

Captain_Rex#1635 · February 2021

sykall said:

ArneSo said:

Red_Dox said:

ArneSo said:

CA confirmed it’s dead twice and if we think about it officially, it won’t fit on the WH3 map anyways.

https://np.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/e6idk3/total_war_warhammer_ii_repanse_de_lyonesse_on/
That was the 2nd time, and as with the prior statement the second time they said "currently".
Since we are now in Cathay territory, which most people would have laughed off a month ago...the chances might not be good (because Dark Lands and Araby does not fit well imo) but Cathays chances last month were worse when there currently were no plans for the better fleshed out Araby

------Red Dox
That’s one statement. Grace specifically added „In General“.

Unbelievable that we are still having this discussion. 😂🤷‍♂️
With Cathays inclusion as a core faction plus monogods who would also need new complementary units ALL possibilities are in I'd say. So Araby while stile unlikley is not impossible.

CA never lost a word about Cathay but they came out twice to say that they won’t do Araby. That’s a huge difference.

Araby is Dead. It has no place on the WH3 map anyways....

MrDragon#2461 · February 2021

ArneSo said:

Red_Dox said:

ArneSo said:

CA confirmed it’s dead twice and if we think about it officially, it won’t fit on the WH3 map anyways.

https://np.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/e6idk3/total_war_warhammer_ii_repanse_de_lyonesse_on/
That was the 2nd time, and as with the prior statement the second time they said "currently".
Since we are now in Cathay territory, which most people would have laughed off a month ago...the chances might not be good (because Dark Lands and Araby does not fit well imo) but Cathays chances last month were worse when there currently were no plans for the better fleshed out Araby

------Red Dox
That’s one statement. Grace specifically added „In General“.

Unbelievable that we are still having this discussion. 😂🤷‍♂️

Because there is such a thing as nuance and the meaning of words.
"Currently" means that it could change in the future and "in general" means that catagorically there are no plans in any sense of the word.
Both of these statements are hypothetically subject to change.

Neither @Red_Dox or me are saying it will happen, in fact we're both saying it's very unlikely and one shouldn't count on it.
We're just not ruling it out as an absolute certainty because CA have very specifically worded it to not do that either.

Captain_Rex#1635 · February 2021

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

Red_Dox said:

ArneSo said:

CA confirmed it’s dead twice and if we think about it officially, it won’t fit on the WH3 map anyways.

https://np.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/e6idk3/total_war_warhammer_ii_repanse_de_lyonesse_on/
That was the 2nd time, and as with the prior statement the second time they said "currently".
Since we are now in Cathay territory, which most people would have laughed off a month ago...the chances might not be good (because Dark Lands and Araby does not fit well imo) but Cathays chances last month were worse when there currently were no plans for the better fleshed out Araby

------Red Dox
That’s one statement. Grace specifically added „In General“.

Unbelievable that we are still having this discussion. 😂🤷‍♂️
Because there is such a thing as nuance and the meaning of words.
"Currently" means that it could change in the future and "in general" means that catagorically there are no plans in any sense of the word.
Both of these statements are hypothetically subject to change.

Neither @Red_Dox or me are saying it will happen, in fact we're both saying it's very unlikely and one shouldn't count on it.
We're just not ruling it out as an absolute certainty because CA have very specifically worded it to not do that either.

What about IN GENERAL is not to understand?

Red_Dox#2328 · February 2021

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

Red_Dox said:

ArneSo said:

CA confirmed it’s dead twice and if we think about it officially, it won’t fit on the WH3 map anyways.

https://np.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/e6idk3/total_war_warhammer_ii_repanse_de_lyonesse_on/
That was the 2nd time, and as with the prior statement the second time they said "currently".
Since we are now in Cathay territory, which most people would have laughed off a month ago...the chances might not be good (because Dark Lands and Araby does not fit well imo) but Cathays chances last month were worse when there currently were no plans for the better fleshed out Araby

------Red Dox
That’s one statement. Grace specifically added „In General“.

Unbelievable that we are still having this discussion. 😂🤷‍♂️
Because there is such a thing as nuance and the meaning of words.
"Currently" means that it could change in the future and "in general" means that catagorically there are no plans in any sense of the word.
Both of these statements are hypothetically subject to change.

Neither @Red_Dox or me are saying it will happen, in fact we're both saying it's very unlikely and one shouldn't count on it.
We're just not ruling it out as an absolute certainty because CA have very specifically worded it to not do that either.
What about IN GENERAL is not to understand?

Lets try it with your timeline history

Post#1: "CURRENTLY".
"in general" added later in an extra comment because people kept pestering Grace.

Post#2 [like what? 6 months later? a year later? Can't remember] "CURRENTLY", see link above.
No "in general" addition this time, despite people still pestering Grace. No other wording either. And nothing since then afaik.

So if the newer comment is the latest state of affairs, then you can toss your "in general" out of the airlock and we are back to "currently". Exactly where we started, and where we last stood. And yeah, it is unbelievable we have that discussion. Again. Glad I am not the only one getting the vibe of a Sisyphean task.

------Red Dox

Captain_Rex#1635 · February 2021

Red_Dox said:

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

Red_Dox said:

ArneSo said:

CA confirmed it’s dead twice and if we think about it officially, it won’t fit on the WH3 map anyways.

https://np.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/e6idk3/total_war_warhammer_ii_repanse_de_lyonesse_on/
That was the 2nd time, and as with the prior statement the second time they said "currently".
Since we are now in Cathay territory, which most people would have laughed off a month ago...the chances might not be good (because Dark Lands and Araby does not fit well imo) but Cathays chances last month were worse when there currently were no plans for the better fleshed out Araby

------Red Dox
That’s one statement. Grace specifically added „In General“.

Unbelievable that we are still having this discussion. 😂🤷‍♂️
Because there is such a thing as nuance and the meaning of words.
"Currently" means that it could change in the future and "in general" means that catagorically there are no plans in any sense of the word.
Both of these statements are hypothetically subject to change.

Neither @Red_Dox or me are saying it will happen, in fact we're both saying it's very unlikely and one shouldn't count on it.
We're just not ruling it out as an absolute certainty because CA have very specifically worded it to not do that either.
What about IN GENERAL is not to understand?
Lets try it with your timeline history

Post#1: "CURRENTLY".
"in general" added later in an extra comment because people kept pestering Grace.

Post#2 [like what? 6 months later? a year later? Can't remember] "CURRENTLY", see link above.
No "in general" addition this time, despite people still pestering Grace. No other wording either. And nothing since then afaik.

So if the newer comment is the latest state of affairs, then you can toss your "in general" out of the airlock and we are back to "currently". Exactly where we started, and where we last stood. And yeah, it is unbelievable we have that discussion. Again. Glad I am not the only one getting the vibe of a Sisyphean task.

------Red Dox

Yeah but Araby is confirmed dead so what’s the point of arguing? 😂

I mean where should CA place Araby in WH3? There is no space anymore.

But whatever.... this discussion is tiresome.

Those who still believe Araby has a chance just set them up for disappointment.

MrDragon#2461 · February 2021

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

Red_Dox said:

ArneSo said:

CA confirmed it’s dead twice and if we think about it officially, it won’t fit on the WH3 map anyways.

https://np.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/e6idk3/total_war_warhammer_ii_repanse_de_lyonesse_on/
That was the 2nd time, and as with the prior statement the second time they said "currently".
Since we are now in Cathay territory, which most people would have laughed off a month ago...the chances might not be good (because Dark Lands and Araby does not fit well imo) but Cathays chances last month were worse when there currently were no plans for the better fleshed out Araby

------Red Dox
That’s one statement. Grace specifically added „In General“.

Unbelievable that we are still having this discussion. 😂🤷‍♂️
Because there is such a thing as nuance and the meaning of words.
"Currently" means that it could change in the future and "in general" means that catagorically there are no plans in any sense of the word.
Both of these statements are hypothetically subject to change.

Neither @Red_Dox or me are saying it will happen, in fact we're both saying it's very unlikely and one shouldn't count on it.
We're just not ruling it out as an absolute certainty because CA have very specifically worded it to not do that either.
What about IN GENERAL is not to understand?

Definition of "In general"
-Mostly/Mainly
Referring to the subject as a whole, not counting specific exceptions that may be found among individual subjects.

It's in fact the opposite of an absolute by explicitly stating that while the statement applies broadly, it does not per definition do so under all circumstances.

I think you are the one who does not understand what "In General" means.

Captain_Rex#1635 · February 2021

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

Red_Dox said:

ArneSo said:

CA confirmed it’s dead twice and if we think about it officially, it won’t fit on the WH3 map anyways.

https://np.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/e6idk3/total_war_warhammer_ii_repanse_de_lyonesse_on/
That was the 2nd time, and as with the prior statement the second time they said "currently".
Since we are now in Cathay territory, which most people would have laughed off a month ago...the chances might not be good (because Dark Lands and Araby does not fit well imo) but Cathays chances last month were worse when there currently were no plans for the better fleshed out Araby

------Red Dox
That’s one statement. Grace specifically added „In General“.

Unbelievable that we are still having this discussion. 😂🤷‍♂️
Because there is such a thing as nuance and the meaning of words.
"Currently" means that it could change in the future and "in general" means that catagorically there are no plans in any sense of the word.
Both of these statements are hypothetically subject to change.

Neither @Red_Dox or me are saying it will happen, in fact we're both saying it's very unlikely and one shouldn't count on it.
We're just not ruling it out as an absolute certainty because CA have very specifically worded it to not do that either.
What about IN GENERAL is not to understand?
Definition of "In general"
-Mostly/Mainly
Referring to the subject as a whole, not counting specific exceptions that may be found among individual subjects.

It's in fact the opposite of an absolute by explicitly stating that while the statement applies broadly, it does not per definition do so under all circumstances.

I think you are the one who does not understand what "In General" means.

Sure and Araby will be the preorder with a start position in Ind. 😂

MrDragon#2461 · February 2021

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

Red_Dox said:

ArneSo said:

CA confirmed it’s dead twice and if we think about it officially, it won’t fit on the WH3 map anyways.

https://np.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/e6idk3/total_war_warhammer_ii_repanse_de_lyonesse_on/
That was the 2nd time, and as with the prior statement the second time they said "currently".
Since we are now in Cathay territory, which most people would have laughed off a month ago...the chances might not be good (because Dark Lands and Araby does not fit well imo) but Cathays chances last month were worse when there currently were no plans for the better fleshed out Araby

------Red Dox
That’s one statement. Grace specifically added „In General“.

Unbelievable that we are still having this discussion. 😂🤷‍♂️
Because there is such a thing as nuance and the meaning of words.
"Currently" means that it could change in the future and "in general" means that catagorically there are no plans in any sense of the word.
Both of these statements are hypothetically subject to change.

Neither @Red_Dox or me are saying it will happen, in fact we're both saying it's very unlikely and one shouldn't count on it.
We're just not ruling it out as an absolute certainty because CA have very specifically worded it to not do that either.
What about IN GENERAL is not to understand?
Definition of "In general"
-Mostly/Mainly
Referring to the subject as a whole, not counting specific exceptions that may be found among individual subjects.

It's in fact the opposite of an absolute by explicitly stating that while the statement applies broadly, it does not per definition do so under all circumstances.

I think you are the one who does not understand what "In General" means.
Sure and Araby will be the preorder with a start position in Ind. 😂

That's the opposite of what I'm saying. Now you're just strawmanning because you got caught being wrong.

@Red_Dox and me are both saying Araby probably will not happen, at the very least not any time soon.
All we are doing is just not ruling out the possibility of it ever happening.
That's it.
We're just acknowledging that say there is a 0.0001% chance of it happening, which is more than nothing, but not worth counting on.

Captain_Rex#1635 · February 2021

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

Red_Dox said:

ArneSo said:

CA confirmed it’s dead twice and if we think about it officially, it won’t fit on the WH3 map anyways.

https://np.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/e6idk3/total_war_warhammer_ii_repanse_de_lyonesse_on/
That was the 2nd time, and as with the prior statement the second time they said "currently".
Since we are now in Cathay territory, which most people would have laughed off a month ago...the chances might not be good (because Dark Lands and Araby does not fit well imo) but Cathays chances last month were worse when there currently were no plans for the better fleshed out Araby

------Red Dox
That’s one statement. Grace specifically added „In General“.

Unbelievable that we are still having this discussion. 😂🤷‍♂️
Because there is such a thing as nuance and the meaning of words.
"Currently" means that it could change in the future and "in general" means that catagorically there are no plans in any sense of the word.
Both of these statements are hypothetically subject to change.

Neither @Red_Dox or me are saying it will happen, in fact we're both saying it's very unlikely and one shouldn't count on it.
We're just not ruling it out as an absolute certainty because CA have very specifically worded it to not do that either.
What about IN GENERAL is not to understand?
Definition of "In general"
-Mostly/Mainly
Referring to the subject as a whole, not counting specific exceptions that may be found among individual subjects.

It's in fact the opposite of an absolute by explicitly stating that while the statement applies broadly, it does not per definition do so under all circumstances.

I think you are the one who does not understand what "In General" means.
Sure and Araby will be the preorder with a start position in Ind. 😂
That's the opposite of what I'm saying. Now you're just strawmanning because you got caught being wrong.

@Red_Dox and me are both saying Araby probably will not happen, at the very least not any time soon.
All we are doing is just not ruling out the possibility of it ever happening.
That's it.
We're just acknowledging that say there is a 0.0001% chance of it happening, which is more than nothing, but not worth counting on.

Sure Araby is possible. Just like it’s possible that the Earth gets invaded by Aliens tomorrow.

55JoNNo#4925 · February 2021

I'm guessing CA took a look at it and decided they didn't want to take it on for whatever reasons. I doubt they'll backpedal on their decision. We are still missing 3 races with Army Books:

DoW
Ogre Kingdoms
Chaos Dwarfs

Given that none of these seem likely for the pre-order, that would mean 3 race/campaign packs already alongside ever increasing combinations of Lord packs. Given the existing frequency of these, it's unlikely we'd get much more than that over the remaining supported lifespan of the game. I doubt we'll get all 3 of the above until it is 2023.

Tyrant#1234 · February 2021

Maybe GW/CA are creating or riding the Araby controversy on purpose, so if and when they do decide to release Araby it'll sell big. Never underestimate the power of marketing strategy...

MrDragon#2461 · February 2021

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

Red_Dox said:

ArneSo said:

CA confirmed it’s dead twice and if we think about it officially, it won’t fit on the WH3 map anyways.

https://np.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/e6idk3/total_war_warhammer_ii_repanse_de_lyonesse_on/
That was the 2nd time, and as with the prior statement the second time they said "currently".
Since we are now in Cathay territory, which most people would have laughed off a month ago...the chances might not be good (because Dark Lands and Araby does not fit well imo) but Cathays chances last month were worse when there currently were no plans for the better fleshed out Araby

------Red Dox
That’s one statement. Grace specifically added „In General“.

Unbelievable that we are still having this discussion. 😂🤷‍♂️
Because there is such a thing as nuance and the meaning of words.
"Currently" means that it could change in the future and "in general" means that catagorically there are no plans in any sense of the word.
Both of these statements are hypothetically subject to change.

Neither @Red_Dox or me are saying it will happen, in fact we're both saying it's very unlikely and one shouldn't count on it.
We're just not ruling it out as an absolute certainty because CA have very specifically worded it to not do that either.
What about IN GENERAL is not to understand?
Definition of "In general"
-Mostly/Mainly
Referring to the subject as a whole, not counting specific exceptions that may be found among individual subjects.

It's in fact the opposite of an absolute by explicitly stating that while the statement applies broadly, it does not per definition do so under all circumstances.

I think you are the one who does not understand what "In General" means.
Sure and Araby will be the preorder with a start position in Ind. 😂
That's the opposite of what I'm saying. Now you're just strawmanning because you got caught being wrong.

@Red_Dox and me are both saying Araby probably will not happen, at the very least not any time soon.
All we are doing is just not ruling out the possibility of it ever happening.
That's it.
We're just acknowledging that say there is a 0.0001% chance of it happening, which is more than nothing, but not worth counting on.
Sure Araby is possible. Just like it’s possible that the Earth gets invaded by Aliens tomorrow.

Again you take refuge in hyperbole because you do not actually have an argument.
Dangit Arne... you're one of my favourite people on this forum but you cannot just admit it when you're wrong.
Even when broadly speaking people are agreeing with you but just ammending your statement for accuracy.

I've explicitly said I'm not counting on Araby, multiple times. The only thing I'm saying is it's not an absolute because CA have specifically not absolutely ruled it out.

There are no plans for Araby. Probably never will be.
Is that clear enough?

Captain_Rex#1635 · February 2021

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

Red_Dox said:

ArneSo said:

CA confirmed it’s dead twice and if we think about it officially, it won’t fit on the WH3 map anyways.

https://np.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/e6idk3/total_war_warhammer_ii_repanse_de_lyonesse_on/
That was the 2nd time, and as with the prior statement the second time they said "currently".
Since we are now in Cathay territory, which most people would have laughed off a month ago...the chances might not be good (because Dark Lands and Araby does not fit well imo) but Cathays chances last month were worse when there currently were no plans for the better fleshed out Araby

------Red Dox
That’s one statement. Grace specifically added „In General“.

Unbelievable that we are still having this discussion. 😂🤷‍♂️
Because there is such a thing as nuance and the meaning of words.
"Currently" means that it could change in the future and "in general" means that catagorically there are no plans in any sense of the word.
Both of these statements are hypothetically subject to change.

Neither @Red_Dox or me are saying it will happen, in fact we're both saying it's very unlikely and one shouldn't count on it.
We're just not ruling it out as an absolute certainty because CA have very specifically worded it to not do that either.
What about IN GENERAL is not to understand?
Definition of "In general"
-Mostly/Mainly
Referring to the subject as a whole, not counting specific exceptions that may be found among individual subjects.

It's in fact the opposite of an absolute by explicitly stating that while the statement applies broadly, it does not per definition do so under all circumstances.

I think you are the one who does not understand what "In General" means.
Sure and Araby will be the preorder with a start position in Ind. 😂
That's the opposite of what I'm saying. Now you're just strawmanning because you got caught being wrong.

@Red_Dox and me are both saying Araby probably will not happen, at the very least not any time soon.
All we are doing is just not ruling out the possibility of it ever happening.
That's it.
We're just acknowledging that say there is a 0.0001% chance of it happening, which is more than nothing, but not worth counting on.
Sure Araby is possible. Just like it’s possible that the Earth gets invaded by Aliens tomorrow.
Again you take refuge in hyperbole because you do not actually have an argument.
Dangit Arne... you're one of my favourite people on this forum but you cannot just admit it when you're wrong.
Even when broadly speaking people are agreeing with you but just ammending your statement for accuracy.

I've explicitly said I'm not counting on Araby, multiple times. The only thing I'm saying is it's not an absolute because CA have specifically not absolutely ruled it out.

There are no plans for Araby. Probably never will be.
Is that clear enough?

I do.

1. CA said they currently don’t have plans for Araby.

2. CA said they don’t have plans for Araby in General.

3. Araby is already filled with playable factions.

4. Crusader States in Araby are part of Bretonnias tech and Repanses mechanic.

5. We won’t get a new race in WH2.

6. It’s extremely unlikely that the WH3 stand alone map includes Araby.

So yeah. Putting all this together the chance for Araby is 0 and there is nothing that indicates CA changing their minds about Araby.

Tyrant#1234 · February 2021

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

Red_Dox said:

ArneSo said:

CA confirmed it’s dead twice and if we think about it officially, it won’t fit on the WH3 map anyways.

https://np.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/e6idk3/total_war_warhammer_ii_repanse_de_lyonesse_on/
That was the 2nd time, and as with the prior statement the second time they said "currently".
Since we are now in Cathay territory, which most people would have laughed off a month ago...the chances might not be good (because Dark Lands and Araby does not fit well imo) but Cathays chances last month were worse when there currently were no plans for the better fleshed out Araby

------Red Dox
That’s one statement. Grace specifically added „In General“.

Unbelievable that we are still having this discussion. 😂🤷‍♂️
Because there is such a thing as nuance and the meaning of words.
"Currently" means that it could change in the future and "in general" means that catagorically there are no plans in any sense of the word.
Both of these statements are hypothetically subject to change.

Neither @Red_Dox or me are saying it will happen, in fact we're both saying it's very unlikely and one shouldn't count on it.
We're just not ruling it out as an absolute certainty because CA have very specifically worded it to not do that either.
What about IN GENERAL is not to understand?
Definition of "In general"
-Mostly/Mainly
Referring to the subject as a whole, not counting specific exceptions that may be found among individual subjects.

It's in fact the opposite of an absolute by explicitly stating that while the statement applies broadly, it does not per definition do so under all circumstances.

I think you are the one who does not understand what "In General" means.
Sure and Araby will be the preorder with a start position in Ind. 😂
That's the opposite of what I'm saying. Now you're just strawmanning because you got caught being wrong.

@Red_Dox and me are both saying Araby probably will not happen, at the very least not any time soon.
All we are doing is just not ruling out the possibility of it ever happening.
That's it.
We're just acknowledging that say there is a 0.0001% chance of it happening, which is more than nothing, but not worth counting on.
Sure Araby is possible. Just like it’s possible that the Earth gets invaded by Aliens tomorrow.
Again you take refuge in hyperbole because you do not actually have an argument.
Dangit Arne... you're one of my favourite people on this forum but you cannot just admit it when you're wrong.
Even when broadly speaking people are agreeing with you but just ammending your statement for accuracy.

I've explicitly said I'm not counting on Araby, multiple times. The only thing I'm saying is it's not an absolute because CA have specifically not absolutely ruled it out.

There are no plans for Araby. Probably never will be.
Is that clear enough?
I do.

1. CA said they currently don’t have plans for Araby.

2. CA said they don’t have plans for Araby in General.

3. Araby is already filled with playable factions.

4. Crusader States in Araby are part of Bretonnias tech and Repanses mechanic.

5. We won’t get a new race in WH2.

6. It’s extremely unlikely that the WH3 stand alone map includes Araby.

So yeah. Putting all this together the chance for Araby is 0 and there is nothing that indicates CA changing their minds about Araby.

While those statements makes Araby unlikey, there're also not absolutes either. If CA/GW 100% weren't going to do Araby all they would need to say is "We will not be including Araby" end of. Instead they danced around it saying "no current plans", well plans can change and factions can be moved. Nothing in that list of yours can't be change if they want it to.

The only one that's an Absolute is "We won’t get a new race in WH2" That doesn't rule out Araby coming in WH3. Even if Araby's not on the story map they can still release it straight to ME2.

Captain_Rex#1635 · February 2021

Abmong said:

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

Red_Dox said:

ArneSo said:

CA confirmed it’s dead twice and if we think about it officially, it won’t fit on the WH3 map anyways.

https://np.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/e6idk3/total_war_warhammer_ii_repanse_de_lyonesse_on/
That was the 2nd time, and as with the prior statement the second time they said "currently".
Since we are now in Cathay territory, which most people would have laughed off a month ago...the chances might not be good (because Dark Lands and Araby does not fit well imo) but Cathays chances last month were worse when there currently were no plans for the better fleshed out Araby

------Red Dox
That’s one statement. Grace specifically added „In General“.

Unbelievable that we are still having this discussion. 😂🤷‍♂️
Because there is such a thing as nuance and the meaning of words.
"Currently" means that it could change in the future and "in general" means that catagorically there are no plans in any sense of the word.
Both of these statements are hypothetically subject to change.

Neither @Red_Dox or me are saying it will happen, in fact we're both saying it's very unlikely and one shouldn't count on it.
We're just not ruling it out as an absolute certainty because CA have very specifically worded it to not do that either.
What about IN GENERAL is not to understand?
Definition of "In general"
-Mostly/Mainly
Referring to the subject as a whole, not counting specific exceptions that may be found among individual subjects.

It's in fact the opposite of an absolute by explicitly stating that while the statement applies broadly, it does not per definition do so under all circumstances.

I think you are the one who does not understand what "In General" means.
Sure and Araby will be the preorder with a start position in Ind. 😂
That's the opposite of what I'm saying. Now you're just strawmanning because you got caught being wrong.

@Red_Dox and me are both saying Araby probably will not happen, at the very least not any time soon.
All we are doing is just not ruling out the possibility of it ever happening.
That's it.
We're just acknowledging that say there is a 0.0001% chance of it happening, which is more than nothing, but not worth counting on.
Sure Araby is possible. Just like it’s possible that the Earth gets invaded by Aliens tomorrow.
Again you take refuge in hyperbole because you do not actually have an argument.
Dangit Arne... you're one of my favourite people on this forum but you cannot just admit it when you're wrong.
Even when broadly speaking people are agreeing with you but just ammending your statement for accuracy.

I've explicitly said I'm not counting on Araby, multiple times. The only thing I'm saying is it's not an absolute because CA have specifically not absolutely ruled it out.

There are no plans for Araby. Probably never will be.
Is that clear enough?
I do.

1. CA said they currently don’t have plans for Araby.

2. CA said they don’t have plans for Araby in General.

3. Araby is already filled with playable factions.

4. Crusader States in Araby are part of Bretonnias tech and Repanses mechanic.

5. We won’t get a new race in WH2.

6. It’s extremely unlikely that the WH3 stand alone map includes Araby.

So yeah. Putting all this together the chance for Araby is 0 and there is nothing that indicates CA changing their minds about Araby.
While those statements makes Araby unlikey, there're also not absolutes either. If CA/GW 100% weren't going to do Araby all they would need to say is "We will not be including Araby" end of. Instead they danced around it saying "no current plans", well plans can change and factions can be moved. Nothing in that list of yours can't be change if they want it to.

The only one that's an Absolute is "We won’t get a new race in WH2" That doesn't rule out Araby coming in WH3. Even if Araby's not on the story map they can still release it straight to ME2.

We finally have to accept that Araby won’t come. Let’s use our energy for something that has a chance like Nippon or Ind.

MrDragon#2461 · February 2021

ArneSo said:

Abmong said:

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

MrDragon said:

ArneSo said:

Red_Dox said:

ArneSo said:

CA confirmed it’s dead twice and if we think about it officially, it won’t fit on the WH3 map anyways.

https://np.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/e6idk3/total_war_warhammer_ii_repanse_de_lyonesse_on/
That was the 2nd time, and as with the prior statement the second time they said "currently".
Since we are now in Cathay territory, which most people would have laughed off a month ago...the chances might not be good (because Dark Lands and Araby does not fit well imo) but Cathays chances last month were worse when there currently were no plans for the better fleshed out Araby

------Red Dox
That’s one statement. Grace specifically added „In General“.

Unbelievable that we are still having this discussion. 😂🤷‍♂️
Because there is such a thing as nuance and the meaning of words.
"Currently" means that it could change in the future and "in general" means that catagorically there are no plans in any sense of the word.
Both of these statements are hypothetically subject to change.

Neither @Red_Dox or me are saying it will happen, in fact we're both saying it's very unlikely and one shouldn't count on it.
We're just not ruling it out as an absolute certainty because CA have very specifically worded it to not do that either.
What about IN GENERAL is not to understand?
Definition of "In general"
-Mostly/Mainly
Referring to the subject as a whole, not counting specific exceptions that may be found among individual subjects.

It's in fact the opposite of an absolute by explicitly stating that while the statement applies broadly, it does not per definition do so under all circumstances.

I think you are the one who does not understand what "In General" means.
Sure and Araby will be the preorder with a start position in Ind. 😂
That's the opposite of what I'm saying. Now you're just strawmanning because you got caught being wrong.

@Red_Dox and me are both saying Araby probably will not happen, at the very least not any time soon.
All we are doing is just not ruling out the possibility of it ever happening.
That's it.
We're just acknowledging that say there is a 0.0001% chance of it happening, which is more than nothing, but not worth counting on.
Sure Araby is possible. Just like it’s possible that the Earth gets invaded by Aliens tomorrow.
Again you take refuge in hyperbole because you do not actually have an argument.
Dangit Arne... you're one of my favourite people on this forum but you cannot just admit it when you're wrong.
Even when broadly speaking people are agreeing with you but just ammending your statement for accuracy.

I've explicitly said I'm not counting on Araby, multiple times. The only thing I'm saying is it's not an absolute because CA have specifically not absolutely ruled it out.

There are no plans for Araby. Probably never will be.
Is that clear enough?
I do.

1. CA said they currently don’t have plans for Araby.

2. CA said they don’t have plans for Araby in General.

3. Araby is already filled with playable factions.

4. Crusader States in Araby are part of Bretonnias tech and Repanses mechanic.

5. We won’t get a new race in WH2.

6. It’s extremely unlikely that the WH3 stand alone map includes Araby.

So yeah. Putting all this together the chance for Araby is 0 and there is nothing that indicates CA changing their minds about Araby.
While those statements makes Araby unlikey, there're also not absolutes either. If CA/GW 100% weren't going to do Araby all they would need to say is "We will not be including Araby" end of. Instead they danced around it saying "no current plans", well plans can change and factions can be moved. Nothing in that list of yours can't be change if they want it to.

The only one that's an Absolute is "We won’t get a new race in WH2" That doesn't rule out Araby coming in WH3. Even if Araby's not on the story map they can still release it straight to ME2.
We finally have to accept that Araby won’t come. Let’s use our energy for something that has a chance like Nippon or Ind.

I agree with your sentiment, just not your logic.

Yes, Nippon or Ind have much-much better odds and are more fruitful topics of discussion.

Nazred · February 2021

@ArneSo Why are you so keen to say Araby is dead? The Op just speculates why araby isn't coming. That's the discussion, what the motive is behind CA's decision.

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