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My theory why Araby and DoW were not introduced to game 2

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  • Red_DoxRed_Dox Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 4,754
    edited February 12
    ArneSo said:


    We finally have to accept that Araby won’t come. Let’s use our energy for something that has a chance like Nippon or Ind.

    You mean like we had to accept that Cathay will not come after Araby was supposedly dead? ^^

    ------Red Dox
  • ArneSoArneSo Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 23,591
    Nazred said:

    @ArneSo Why are you so keen to say Araby is dead? The Op just speculates why araby isn't coming. That's the discussion, what the motive is behind CA's decision.

    Because CA told us... twice.

    Sometimes no means no.
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  • ArneSoArneSo Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 23,591
    Red_Dox said:

    ArneSo said:


    We finally have to accept that Araby won’t come. Let’s use our energy for something that has a chance like Nippon or Ind.

    You mean like we had to accept that Cathay will not come after Araby was supposedly dead? ^^

    ------Red Dox
    CA never said anything about Cathay, Nippon or Ind.
    Nurgle is love, Nurgle is life
  • AbmongAbmong Registered Users Posts: 2,944
    ArneSo said:



    We finally have to accept that Araby won’t come. Let’s use our energy for something that has a chance like Nippon or Ind.

    Sure we can put our energy into other factions, but there's nothing wrong with holding a candle for Araby. I have energy for both.
    Something tells me this comment will get a Disagree
  • LaindeshLaindesh Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 3,838
    Abmong said:

    ArneSo said:



    We finally have to accept that Araby won’t come. Let’s use our energy for something that has a chance like Nippon or Ind.

    Sure we can put our energy into other factions, but there's nothing wrong with holding a candle for Araby. I have energy for both.
    I like my stance.

    Everything's plausible, i expect nothing. So when something is revealed, im positively suprised :D

    Granted even i fall for the hype trap from time to time.
  • Red_DoxRed_Dox Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 4,754
    ArneSo said:

    Nazred said:

    @ArneSo Why are you so keen to say Araby is dead? The Op just speculates why araby isn't coming. That's the discussion, what the motive is behind CA's decision.

    Because CA told us... twice.

    Sometimes no means no.
    Except they never said no and your own argumentation is flawed, when you count "currently" twice but then try to weasel back in between both statements to get a "in general", which was not included in the latest statement towards this topic. Anyone else having a déjà vu?

    ------Red Dox
  • ArneSoArneSo Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 23,591
    Red_Dox said:

    ArneSo said:

    Nazred said:

    @ArneSo Why are you so keen to say Araby is dead? The Op just speculates why araby isn't coming. That's the discussion, what the motive is behind CA's decision.

    Because CA told us... twice.

    Sometimes no means no.
    Except they never said no and your own argumentation is flawed, when you count "currently" twice but then try to weasel back in between both statements to get a "in general", which was not included in the latest statement towards this topic. Anyone else having a déjà vu?

    ------Red Dox
    Yes and sometimes no simply means no.
    Nurgle is love, Nurgle is life
  • CrossilCrossil Registered Users Posts: 12,554
    edited February 12
    Red_Dox said:

    ArneSo said:

    Nazred said:

    @ArneSo Why are you so keen to say Araby is dead? The Op just speculates why araby isn't coming. That's the discussion, what the motive is behind CA's decision.

    Because CA told us... twice.

    Sometimes no means no.
    Except they never said no and your own argumentation is flawed, when you count "currently" twice but then try to weasel back in between both statements to get a "in general", which was not included in the latest statement towards this topic. Anyone else having a déjà vu?

    ------Red Dox
    Ok, let me explain then.

    They only added "in general" in response to someone's comment. It was not part of the first statement in writing but was implied and elaborated as a response to another comment.

    Which means "in general" applies to the first comment.

    Since the second comment is verbatim copy of the first one, it also stands to reason that implications of the first statement apply to the second one. They wouldn't copy paste the first statement otherwise. There was no need for clarification again because there weren't the same comments asking for it. But the implication stands.

    Also, don't you see the contradiction? Cathay wasn't dissuaded by CA, Araby was. That is already a major difference. Cathay could've been added solely because of the Chinese market, which doesn't affect Araby or any other far east nations.

    UNLEASH THE EVERCHARIOT

  • DVersionDVersion Member Registered Users Posts: 211
    I think the OvN team has already made a really fun and enjoyable Araby already.
  • CrajohCrajoh Member Registered Users Posts: 2,244
    ArneSo said:

    MrDragon said:

    ArneSo said:

    MrDragon said:

    ArneSo said:


    Regarding Araby... it’s Dead.

    It's not actually dead-dead. (Just... very corpse-like)
    It is however very unlikely.
    They have not said they will "never" do Araby. They've just said there are "no plans". Which is not the same thing.
    Let's just say... I wouldn't hold my breath for them.
    A lot would have to change and a lot of other content would have to be added before Araby might even go to the drawing table, let alone be produced.

    CA confirmed it’s dead twice and if we think about it officially, it won’t fit on the WH3 map anyways.
    Show me where they explicitly said Araby will "never" come.
    I've seen the posts you're talking about and they never completely ruled it out.
    They have however shot down any chance of it happening any time soon pretty thoroughly yes.
    As for the WH3 map: Oh yes, that's not gonna happen. They would have to be secluded to the grand campaign mega-map and or get a new map of their own with some kind of distant future DLC.

    I'm not saying it's likely. Heck I'm sceptical it will ever happen, but it's not an absolute infallible truth.

    How about we agree on this:
    "The chances of Araby happening are statistically negligible in the next five years."
    I think that is a more reasonable statement to make, if a bit wordy.
    Saying it's 'dead' is indeed faster and more elegant, just not entirely truthful.
    They said they don’t have plans for Araby in general. That’s pretty clear.

    Of course they can change their mind... but look at the map... there is no space anymore. Araby is filled with playable Characters already.

    We have to accept it mate. It’s dead, buried and rotten. We might get some Araby units with the DoW though...
    Nope there’s plenty of space for them. I often play Araby as part of the ovn mod.
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  • EmeraldThanatosEmeraldThanatos Registered Users Posts: 2,444
    Araby has been outright deconfirmed, and unless CA goes back on their statement they will not come.
    Ranking of all Total War games I've played:
    1. Three kingdoms
    2. Shogun 2
    3. Warhammer
    4. Medieval 2
    5. Thrones
    6. Attila
    7. Rome 2
    8. Napoleon
    9. Empire
    10. Troy (haven't actually played it, I'm just still salty)

  • MrDragonMrDragon Registered Users Posts: 2,313

    Araby has been outright deconfirmed, and unless CA goes back on their statement they will not come.

    They do not have to "go back" on their statement because the statement said there are no plans "currently" or "in general", which is the point.

    However I think there is one part we can all agree on:
    Araby will not come any time soon and might not come ever.


    Back on topic:
    Dogs of War imho still have a fair shot.
    I for one can imagine them indeed showing up in the Darklands (like in Pigbarter) or in strategic places near the major trade routes.
    You could even put them in a port town in Cathay or have them show up in the chaos wastes, hired by the empire to serve as vanguard support force to aid Kislev in their time of need while the Empire rallies their troops. (for a future lord pack like Elspeth vs Tamurkhan?)
    As mercenaries they can be slid in anywhere, any time.
  • MaelasMaelas Registered Users Posts: 4,339
    Don't lump DoW and Araby together !
    I believe in Slaanesh supremacy
  • LordSolarMachLordSolarMach Registered Users Posts: 1,231
    Maelas said:

    Don't lump DoW and Araby together !

    (I really hope DoW and Araby are literally lumped together, with the latter being part of the former in a TWW3 Campaign Pack.)
  • ArneSoArneSo Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 23,591
    Maelas said:

    Don't lump DoW and Araby together !

    DoW will most likely get War Elephants and a few other Araby units.
    Nurgle is love, Nurgle is life
  • MaelasMaelas Registered Users Posts: 4,339
    If DoW get their entire core roster, including all their RoRs, I'm certainly not against having them used as a way to flesh out Araby and Myrmidian cults.

    But if it happens to be a choice between the Fen Beast and Arabyans Elephants, between Ruglud's Armored Orcs or some old flying carpet unit, then I'll always choose what they had in their actual army book .
    I believe in Slaanesh supremacy
  • ArneSoArneSo Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 23,591
    Maelas said:

    If DoW get their entire core roster, including all their RoRs, I'm certainly not against having them used as a way to flesh out Araby and Myrmidian cults.

    But if it happens to be a choice between the Fen Beast and Arabyans Elephants, between Ruglud's Armored Orcs or some old flying carpet unit, then I'll always choose what they had in their actual army book .

    They should never be able to recruit any Orcs. That doesn’t fit modern warhammer anymore.
    Nurgle is love, Nurgle is life
  • ChoraChora Registered Users Posts: 392
    CA loves to reuse assets and minimize work, can’t blame them really but they are probably a little heavy handed about it. Heck, you can see Grimgor in tw Troy lol.

    In terms of the fact that ca surprised everyone with Cathay. I’m sure a huge factor was that they could pull a huge amount of assets from tw 3k. I wouldn’t necessarily take it as very strong indicator that Araby, Nippon, Amazon’s, etc (basically the long shots) are coming
  • LordSolarMachLordSolarMach Registered Users Posts: 1,231
    ArneSo said:

    Maelas said:

    If DoW get their entire core roster, including all their RoRs, I'm certainly not against having them used as a way to flesh out Araby and Myrmidian cults.

    But if it happens to be a choice between the Fen Beast and Arabyans Elephants, between Ruglud's Armored Orcs or some old flying carpet unit, then I'll always choose what they had in their actual army book .

    They should never be able to recruit any Orcs. That doesn’t fit modern warhammer anymore.
    Personally, I hope the DoW get the crazy units (Ruglud's Armoured Orcs, The Cursed Company, etc.) as individual RoRs in the traditional way, while units like The Lost Legion (which fit the Southern Realms aesthetic) have a separate system closer to the Empire's Elector Count State Troops.
  • ArneSoArneSo Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 23,591

    ArneSo said:

    Maelas said:

    If DoW get their entire core roster, including all their RoRs, I'm certainly not against having them used as a way to flesh out Araby and Myrmidian cults.

    But if it happens to be a choice between the Fen Beast and Arabyans Elephants, between Ruglud's Armored Orcs or some old flying carpet unit, then I'll always choose what they had in their actual army book .

    They should never be able to recruit any Orcs. That doesn’t fit modern warhammer anymore.
    Personally, I hope the DoW get the crazy units (Ruglud's Armoured Orcs, The Cursed Company, etc.) as individual RoRs in the traditional way, while units like The Lost Legion (which fit the Southern Realms aesthetic) have a separate system closer to the Empire's Elector Count State Troops.
    Yeah that would be great.
    Nurgle is love, Nurgle is life
  • MaelasMaelas Registered Users Posts: 4,339
    ArneSo said:

    Maelas said:

    If DoW get their entire core roster, including all their RoRs, I'm certainly not against having them used as a way to flesh out Araby and Myrmidian cults.

    But if it happens to be a choice between the Fen Beast and Arabyans Elephants, between Ruglud's Armored Orcs or some old flying carpet unit, then I'll always choose what they had in their actual army book .

    They should never be able to recruit any Orcs. That doesn’t fit modern warhammer anymore.
    Then you'd be butchering DoW ! You're advocating to remove the only thing that makes them interesting, distinct and cool. They are a race of Tileans princes employing mercenaries, any mercenaries, to do their bidding. That include Dark Elves, Lizarmden, Ogres and anyone that is willing to fight for money.

    And it's not like they'd have an entire army of Greenskins, there is ONE mercenary regiment of Orcs, they are entirely unique, they bring something new, they've been DoW since the first version of the race, why shouldn't they come ?
    I believe in Slaanesh supremacy
  • TennisgolfbollTennisgolfboll Registered Users Posts: 11,067
    ArneSo said:

    I said it a million times already, DoW belong to the Dark Lands and were always meant to come in WH3. People who seriously expected them in WH2 were doomed to be disappointed...

    Just read their armybook.... it’s all about Tilea, the Dark Lands and Trade roads to the east.

    Regarding Araby... it’s Dead.

    *Laughs in forces of fantasy"
    It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
  • BonutzBonutz Registered Users Posts: 4,463
    At this point, nothing is “dead.”

    I remember most of the forum and Reddit saying that Cathay was dead and had virtually no chance. Look what happened.

    CA may decide to do Araby in the future. Maybe they won’t. But nothing is impossible.
    I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass...and I’m all out of bubblegum.
  • ArneSoArneSo Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 23,591
    Maelas said:

    ArneSo said:

    Maelas said:

    If DoW get their entire core roster, including all their RoRs, I'm certainly not against having them used as a way to flesh out Araby and Myrmidian cults.

    But if it happens to be a choice between the Fen Beast and Arabyans Elephants, between Ruglud's Armored Orcs or some old flying carpet unit, then I'll always choose what they had in their actual army book .

    They should never be able to recruit any Orcs. That doesn’t fit modern warhammer anymore.
    Then you'd be butchering DoW ! You're advocating to remove the only thing that makes them interesting, distinct and cool. They are a race of Tileans princes employing mercenaries, any mercenaries, to do their bidding. That include Dark Elves, Lizarmden, Ogres and anyone that is willing to fight for money.

    And it's not like they'd have an entire army of Greenskins, there is ONE mercenary regiment of Orcs, they are entirely unique, they bring something new, they've been DoW since the first version of the race, why shouldn't they come ?
    DoW are Tilea. Humans and Orcs fighting together is just dumb.
    Nurgle is love, Nurgle is life
  • MaelasMaelas Registered Users Posts: 4,339
    ArneSo said:



    DoW are Tilea. Humans and Orcs fighting together is just dumb.

    DoW are Tilean-employed mercenaries.

    Is it really that hard to believe that a group of Orcs realised that they could have a nice scrap and be payed for it, as long as they don't krump the ones paying them ? They are not mindless, Gorfang is a good example of it.

    And anyways, if you're not gonna have a ragtag bunch of various races in it, what is even the point of having DoW ?
    I believe in Slaanesh supremacy
  • saweendrasaweendra Registered Users Posts: 14,292
    Maelas said:

    ArneSo said:



    DoW are Tilea. Humans and Orcs fighting together is just dumb.

    DoW are Tilean-employed mercenaries.

    Is it really that hard to believe that a group of Orcs realised that they could have a nice scrap and be payed for it, as long as they don't krump the ones paying them ? They are not mindless, Gorfang is a good example of it.

    And anyways, if you're not gonna have a ragtag bunch of various races in it, what is even the point of having DoW ?
    southern realms, dogs of war got canned remember
    #givemoreunitsforbrettonia, my bret dlc
  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Registered Users Posts: 3,409
    ArneSo said:

    Red_Dox said:

    ArneSo said:


    We finally have to accept that Araby won’t come. Let’s use our energy for something that has a chance like Nippon or Ind.

    You mean like we had to accept that Cathay will not come after Araby was supposedly dead? ^^

    ------Red Dox
    CA never said anything about Cathay, Nippon or Ind.
    I remember them even taking a photo with Chinese fans with a gift map of Cathay which in hindsight looks like a hint of their plans

    She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.

    The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
  • MaelasMaelas Registered Users Posts: 4,339
    saweendra said:

    Maelas said:

    ArneSo said:



    DoW are Tilea. Humans and Orcs fighting together is just dumb.

    DoW are Tilean-employed mercenaries.

    Is it really that hard to believe that a group of Orcs realised that they could have a nice scrap and be payed for it, as long as they don't krump the ones paying them ? They are not mindless, Gorfang is a good example of it.

    And anyways, if you're not gonna have a ragtag bunch of various races in it, what is even the point of having DoW ?
    southern realms, dogs of war got canned remember
    I mean, they got "canned" at the same time as Bretonnia !
    I believe in Slaanesh supremacy
  • saweendrasaweendra Registered Users Posts: 14,292
    Maelas said:

    saweendra said:

    Maelas said:

    ArneSo said:



    DoW are Tilea. Humans and Orcs fighting together is just dumb.

    DoW are Tilean-employed mercenaries.

    Is it really that hard to believe that a group of Orcs realised that they could have a nice scrap and be payed for it, as long as they don't krump the ones paying them ? They are not mindless, Gorfang is a good example of it.

    And anyways, if you're not gonna have a ragtag bunch of various races in it, what is even the point of having DoW ?
    southern realms, dogs of war got canned remember
    I mean, they got "canned" at the same time as Bretonnia !
    yes but bretonnia was playable , dow straight up got retconned , what need to happen is the transition they started in 6th edition to southern realms finished, than have mechanic which highlight their dow origins not straight up dow
    #givemoreunitsforbrettonia, my bret dlc
  • ArneSoArneSo Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 23,591

    ArneSo said:

    Red_Dox said:

    ArneSo said:


    We finally have to accept that Araby won’t come. Let’s use our energy for something that has a chance like Nippon or Ind.

    You mean like we had to accept that Cathay will not come after Araby was supposedly dead? ^^

    ------Red Dox
    CA never said anything about Cathay, Nippon or Ind.
    I remember them even taking a photo with Chinese fans with a gift map of Cathay which in hindsight looks like a hint of their plans
    True. That’s why Cathay always had a chance.
    Nurgle is love, Nurgle is life
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