Chances of CA doing chaos vs chaos LP in game 3

MythrilSoul

CA will do some game 3 only lord packs before doing crossgame LPs, that much we all can agree that is certain
BUT
other than kislev vs chaos undivided and tzeentch vs cathay, who are the most obvious Lord pack rivalry options,
what are the chances of we getting a chaos vs chaos LP?

like tzeentch vs nurgle (change and decay)
or khorne vs slaanesh (wrath and rapture)

we did get a elf vs elf LP in game 2 sure it was THE worst LP to date but that was mostly CA fault so a daemons vs daemons is not that far fetched

not that i would like it having a CH vs CH, on the contrary depending what character/units arent in i wont even think of buy it, but is it possible CA making one?

Nikolabrac#5277

The queen and the crone isn’t bad its just old

Fight me

Wyvax#7456

I hope not, that'd be less interesting than the Queen and the Crone was. If they do go that route, I'd much prefer that Norsca features in half of the LP, against the more traditional Chaos forces.

ERICdbs#2077

I think there's a high chance that it will happen, as it's rather hard to explicitly avoid such a pair up unless they start doing game 1 and 2 LP very soon. With 4 evil factions and 2 good factions, if we don't expect much disparity of final LL, then it follows that some evil factions will have to fight among themselves.

TheGuardianOfMetal#3661

4/6 Confirmed Game 3 launch factions are chais.

So on a scale from 1/10... I give it an 8.5 in likelyhood.

I'm not expecting any crossgame DLC until the game 3 races all got at least one Lord Pack. And then i expect the stuff to continue like iwht 2, in a Game 3 VS 1/2 pattern, meaning game 3 gets much more attention than the races that will, inevitable, fall behind again...

I sincerely hope to be proven wrong, but i don't expect CA to give the love they deserve to game 1 (and 2) factions in game 3. Aside of MAYBE Chaos and BM reworks.

MythrilSoul

Nikolabrac said:

The queen and the crone isn’t bad its just old

Fight me

it could have been better not a single new unit skeleton even with the kharibidiss flc? cmon even its mechanics were boring!

Wyvax said:

I hope not, that'd be less interesting than the Queen and the Crone was. If they do go that route, I'd much prefer that Norsca features in half of the LP, against the more traditional Chaos forces.

if anything it has more unique models involved than the elf one
rot flies vs mutalith vortex beast or the watchers from AoR
slaughter brute vs fiend of slaanesh

LordSolarMach#5538

They're core Races, so chances are high. (I'd prefer more crossgame packs from the off, of course.)

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MythrilSoul said:

if anything it has more unique models involved than the elf one
rot flies vs mutalith vortex beast or the watchers from AoR
slaughter brute vs fiend of slaanesh

Woof if the game launches and none of those units are in their mongod's base roster.

Wyvax#7456

MythrilSoul said:

Nikolabrac said:

The queen and the crone isn’t bad its just old

Fight me

it could have been better not a single new unit skeleton even with the kharibidiss flc? cmon even its mechanics were boring!

Wyvax said:

I hope not, that'd be less interesting than the Queen and the Crone was. If they do go that route, I'd much prefer that Norsca features in half of the LP, against the more traditional Chaos forces.

if anything it has more unique models involved than the elf one
rot flies vs mutalith vortex beast or the watchers from AoR
slaughter brute vs fiend of slaanesh

To be perfectly frank, if any of those aforementioned units (Rot Flies, Vortex Beast, Slaughterbrute or Fiend of Slaanesh) are missing from the base game roster, then it'll just confirm my fears that the monogod route taken is scalping Chaos content for DLCs. Daemons of Chaos and the missing half of Warriors of Chaos roster from the TT put together is only 1 & 1/2 races worth of content, which is a far cry from 4 races worth that monogods are supposed to deliver.

MythrilSoul

Wyvax said:

MythrilSoul said:

Nikolabrac said:

The queen and the crone isn’t bad its just old

Fight me

it could have been better not a single new unit skeleton even with the kharibidiss flc? cmon even its mechanics were boring!

Wyvax said:

I hope not, that'd be less interesting than the Queen and the Crone was. If they do go that route, I'd much prefer that Norsca features in half of the LP, against the more traditional Chaos forces.

if anything it has more unique models involved than the elf one
rot flies vs mutalith vortex beast or the watchers from AoR
slaughter brute vs fiend of slaanesh

To be perfectly frank, if any of those aforementioned units (Rot Flies, Vortex Beast, Slaughterbrute or Fiend of Slaanesh) are missing from the base game roster, then it'll just confirm my fears that the monogod route taken is scalping Chaos content for DLCs. Daemons of Chaos and the missing half of Warriors of Chaos roster from the TT put together is only 1 & 1/2 races worth of content, which is a far cry from 4 races worth that monogods are supposed to deliver.

i mean thats was much is to be expected, daemons didnt exactly had vast rosters in TT, all 4 were a single book after all, so they dont really work without mortal chaos units and those are just tweaked marauders and chosens from the WoC roster, CA aint putting those in a LP

even if we add the supplement units or god forbid AoS, only khorne and nurgle benefit enough from it to stomach 2 LP without having a emaciated roster at launch

like you said, the "skaven at launch effect" is also my main fear for game 3 daemons but until CA show us some fotage or previews it will keep nagging me in the back of my head

Lunaticprince#9972

I say is easily two of the mono gods face tonight fight the order force as one final against each other.

With that every core race got there content.

So I say 9

MythrilSoul

LordSolarMach said:

They're core Races, so chances are high. (I'd prefer more crossgame packs from the off, of course.)

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MythrilSoul said:

if anything it has more unique models involved than the elf one
rot flies vs mutalith vortex beast or the watchers from AoR
slaughter brute vs fiend of slaanesh

Woof if the game launches and none of those units are in their mongod's base roster.

to be fair, if CA shows us rot flies & slaanesh fiends in a gameplay preview/trailer it would make me fell a lot better

i dont really care about the mutalith & slaughter brute, but since one is the remodel of the other one of the two will most likely be at in a base roster at lauch

Wyvax#7456

MythrilSoul said:

Wyvax said:

MythrilSoul said:

Nikolabrac said:

The queen and the crone isn’t bad its just old

Fight me

it could have been better not a single new unit skeleton even with the kharibidiss flc? cmon even its mechanics were boring!

Wyvax said:

I hope not, that'd be less interesting than the Queen and the Crone was. If they do go that route, I'd much prefer that Norsca features in half of the LP, against the more traditional Chaos forces.

if anything it has more unique models involved than the elf one
rot flies vs mutalith vortex beast or the watchers from AoR
slaughter brute vs fiend of slaanesh

To be perfectly frank, if any of those aforementioned units (Rot Flies, Vortex Beast, Slaughterbrute or Fiend of Slaanesh) are missing from the base game roster, then it'll just confirm my fears that the monogod route taken is scalping Chaos content for DLCs. Daemons of Chaos and the missing half of Warriors of Chaos roster from the TT put together is only 1 & 1/2 races worth of content, which is a far cry from 4 races worth that monogods are supposed to deliver.

i mean thats was much is to be expected, daemons didnt exactly had vast rosters in TT, all 4 were a single book after all, so they dont really work without mortal chaos units and those are just tweaked marauders and chosens from the WoC roster, CA aint putting those in a LP

even if we add the supplement units or god forbid AoS, only khorne and nurgle benefit enough from it to stomach 2 LP without having a emaciated roster at launch

like you said, the "skaven at launch effect" is also my main fear for game 3 daemons but until CA show us some fotage or previews it will keep nagging me in the back of my head

Honestly, (and I'm not saying this to hate on monogods or anything) but the most realistic builds of monogod armies really is the appropriate daemon stuff mixed with the appropriate mortal stuff, which kind of necessitates the currently missing WoC content included on launch. Sure we'll see a graphical overhaul akin to a lot of AoS stuff (hopefully not 1:1 though, as those harem girl archers and sauna towel marauders for Slaanesh and Tzeentch respectively are the most generic and atrocious designs possible). What this entails for the production of LPs down the line, IDK.

MythrilSoul

Wyvax said:

MythrilSoul said:

Wyvax said:

MythrilSoul said:

Nikolabrac said:

The queen and the crone isn’t bad its just old

Fight me

it could have been better not a single new unit skeleton even with the kharibidiss flc? cmon even its mechanics were boring!

Wyvax said:

I hope not, that'd be less interesting than the Queen and the Crone was. If they do go that route, I'd much prefer that Norsca features in half of the LP, against the more traditional Chaos forces.

if anything it has more unique models involved than the elf one
rot flies vs mutalith vortex beast or the watchers from AoR
slaughter brute vs fiend of slaanesh

To be perfectly frank, if any of those aforementioned units (Rot Flies, Vortex Beast, Slaughterbrute or Fiend of Slaanesh) are missing from the base game roster, then it'll just confirm my fears that the monogod route taken is scalping Chaos content for DLCs. Daemons of Chaos and the missing half of Warriors of Chaos roster from the TT put together is only 1 & 1/2 races worth of content, which is a far cry from 4 races worth that monogods are supposed to deliver.

i mean thats was much is to be expected, daemons didnt exactly had vast rosters in TT, all 4 were a single book after all, so they dont really work without mortal chaos units and those are just tweaked marauders and chosens from the WoC roster, CA aint putting those in a LP

even if we add the supplement units or god forbid AoS, only khorne and nurgle benefit enough from it to stomach 2 LP without having a emaciated roster at launch

like you said, the "skaven at launch effect" is also my main fear for game 3 daemons but until CA show us some fotage or previews it will keep nagging me in the back of my head

Honestly, (and I'm not saying this to hate on monogods or anything) but the most realistic builds of monogod armies really is the appropriate daemon stuff mixed with the appropriate mortal stuff, which kind of necessitates the currently missing WoC content included on launch. Sure we'll see a graphical overhaul akin to a lot of AoS stuff (hopefully not 1:1 though, as those harem girl archers and sauna towel marauders for Slaanesh and Tzeentch respectively are the most generic and atrocious designs possible). What this entails for the production of LPs down the line, IDK.

i actually like the desert odalisk slaanesh stuff but i think its dumb to give those to a race that will start on the warhammer world north pole

General_Hijalti#1213

Since there are so many lord packs needed for the game 1 and 2 races I think they are going to start with cross game packs.

Empire 2+ Lp

Greenskins 1 Lp

Vampires 1-2 Lp

Dwarfs 2 Lp

Norsca 1 Lp

Beastmen 1 Lp (probably will be in warhammer 2 but we don't know)

WoC either 1 Lp or reworked with monogods to add missing units and make new factions

HE 1 Lp

Skaven 1 Lp

Lizardmen 1 Lp

DE maybe 1 later down the line

Tomb Kings 1 Lp

Vampire Coast 1 Lp

So that is 13-16 Lord packs not including any packs for warhammer 3 dlc races. Sure we can take 2 for the next pack, but unless they start doing packs that don't involve game 3 races they are going to need to start out with cross game packs.



Also think chaos Vs chaos is unlikely as almost all packs have been good race Vs evil race, or in the chaos of shadow and the blade civilized Vs chaos/destruction

Wyvax#7456

MythrilSoul said:

Wyvax said:

MythrilSoul said:

Wyvax said:

MythrilSoul said:

Nikolabrac said:

The queen and the crone isn’t bad its just old

Fight me

it could have been better not a single new unit skeleton even with the kharibidiss flc? cmon even its mechanics were boring!

Wyvax said:

I hope not, that'd be less interesting than the Queen and the Crone was. If they do go that route, I'd much prefer that Norsca features in half of the LP, against the more traditional Chaos forces.

if anything it has more unique models involved than the elf one
rot flies vs mutalith vortex beast or the watchers from AoR
slaughter brute vs fiend of slaanesh

To be perfectly frank, if any of those aforementioned units (Rot Flies, Vortex Beast, Slaughterbrute or Fiend of Slaanesh) are missing from the base game roster, then it'll just confirm my fears that the monogod route taken is scalping Chaos content for DLCs. Daemons of Chaos and the missing half of Warriors of Chaos roster from the TT put together is only 1 & 1/2 races worth of content, which is a far cry from 4 races worth that monogods are supposed to deliver.

i mean thats was much is to be expected, daemons didnt exactly had vast rosters in TT, all 4 were a single book after all, so they dont really work without mortal chaos units and those are just tweaked marauders and chosens from the WoC roster, CA aint putting those in a LP

even if we add the supplement units or god forbid AoS, only khorne and nurgle benefit enough from it to stomach 2 LP without having a emaciated roster at launch

like you said, the "skaven at launch effect" is also my main fear for game 3 daemons but until CA show us some fotage or previews it will keep nagging me in the back of my head

Honestly, (and I'm not saying this to hate on monogods or anything) but the most realistic builds of monogod armies really is the appropriate daemon stuff mixed with the appropriate mortal stuff, which kind of necessitates the currently missing WoC content included on launch. Sure we'll see a graphical overhaul akin to a lot of AoS stuff (hopefully not 1:1 though, as those harem girl archers and sauna towel marauders for Slaanesh and Tzeentch respectively are the most generic and atrocious designs possible). What this entails for the production of LPs down the line, IDK.

i actually like the desert odalisk slaanesh stuff but i think its dumb to give those to a race that will start on the warhammer world north pole

I think they would work quite well as an aesthetic in the AoS Warbands game, but for a mainline Chaos army they just don't scream Slaanesh like the other units do. They're all silk and skin, no mutations, leather of questionable origin or body horror involved in their design.

More on the thread topic, I still think it is possible still to get 2 LPs for each monogod race, a mortal theme and daemonic theme each, but it'll be harder to pull off with a bunch of previously missing stuff in on launch. More than 2 each though? Nah, not happening.

mecanojavi99#6562

Entirely possible, it's not like the Chaos Gods are estrangers to fighting each other, and Khorne vs Tzeentch is a very iconic match up.

MythrilSoul

General_Hijalti said:

Since there are so many lord packs needed for the game 1 and 2 races I think they are going to start with cross game packs.

Empire 2+ Lp

Greenskins 1 Lp

Vampires 1-2 Lp

Dwarfs 2 Lp

Norsca 1 Lp

Beastmen 1 Lp (probably will be in warhammer 2 but we don't know)

WoC either 1 Lp or reworked with monogods to add missing units and make new factions

HE 1 Lp

Skaven 1 Lp

Lizardmen 1 Lp

DE maybe 1 later down the line

Tomb Kings 1 Lp

Vampire Coast 1 Lp

So that is 13-16 Lord packs not including any packs for warhammer 3 dlc races. Sure we can take 2 for the next pack, but unless they start doing packs that don't involve game 3 races they are going to need to start out with cross game packs.



Also think chaos Vs chaos is unlikely as almost all packs have been good race Vs evil race, or in the chaos of shadow and the blade civilized Vs chaos/destruction

in the next LP the lizardmen & maybe DE can end up finished alongside the BM (if they get ghorgons & jabbers in it)
vcoast is already finished i think

but i concur that with the amount of races needing a rework CA will most likely start the crossgame LPs early

- empire vs nurgle
- HE vs slaanesh
- dwarfs vs tzeentch
- skaven vs cathay
- DE vs khorne
- kislev vs Vcounts

and hopefully CA can also start doing LPs without game 3 races in it
- tomb kings vs norsca
- norsca vs dwarfs
- empire vs WoC
- greenskins vs vcounts

Captain_Rex#1635

Possible but personally doubt it. Think the only WH3 only LPs will be Kislev vs Chaos and Cathay vs Chaos.

Beef545

Unlikely. Races included in LP need to be complete opposites of each other, that's how it's been so far more or less. That's because if one person dislikes one side he might like the other side of LP therefore it makes him more likely to buy it and that's what CA likes. And no chaos gods aren't very diverse I've proven it in one of my infamous threads.

Edit. Typo

Captain_Rex#1635

Beef545 said:

Unlikely. Races included in LP need to be complete opposites of each other, that's how it's been so far more or less. That's because if one person dislikes one side he might like the other side of LP therefore it makes him more likely to buy it and that's what CA likes. And no chaos gods aren't very diverse I've proven it in one of my infamous threads.

Edit. Typo

To be fair, a Chaos vs Chaos LP would be comparable to a DE vs HE LP. But considering that this LP was a complete failure, I highly doubt that CA will repeat something like that.

#324448

I think this is something CA will try to actively avoid. Nonetheless, I feel like it may happen at least once.

Beef545

ArneSo said:

Beef545 said:

Unlikely. Races included in LP need to be complete opposites of each other, that's how it's been so far more or less. That's because if one person dislikes one side he might like the other side of LP therefore it makes him more likely to buy it and that's what CA likes. And no chaos gods aren't very diverse I've proven it in one of my infamous threads.

Edit. Typo

To be fair, a Chaos vs Chaos LP would be comparable to a DE vs HE LP. But considering that this LP was a complete failure, I highly doubt that CA will repeat something like that.

The case you mentioned was an exception, as elves are loved by the entire community. CA HAS chosen those 2 races for their first LP for that reason exactly. It is a warhammer 2 flag LP.

Captain_Rex#1635

Beef545 said:

ArneSo said:

Beef545 said:

Unlikely. Races included in LP need to be complete opposites of each other, that's how it's been so far more or less. That's because if one person dislikes one side he might like the other side of LP therefore it makes him more likely to buy it and that's what CA likes. And no chaos gods aren't very diverse I've proven it in one of my infamous threads.

Edit. Typo

To be fair, a Chaos vs Chaos LP would be comparable to a DE vs HE LP. But considering that this LP was a complete failure, I highly doubt that CA will repeat something like that.

elves are loved by the entire community.

Nice bait mate.

Lunaticprince#9972

Giveaway412 said:

I think this is something CA will try to actively avoid. Nonetheless, I feel like it may happen at least once.

I say here


Save CA gonna dip once in it but never.

Yes if CA want they could do second round like that but I think the community speaker loud


So my opinion.

Make one set of lps and then just crossovers nothing like shadow and the blade twice.

That Okey,


I say that we not gonna get many new pure wh3 lps because the numbers speaker pretty loudly


The must player wh2 have was around crossover packs especially with he vs gs and we vs sk.


So Undivided?

I see not really as a race CA gonna really support as all because first of all.

All new demon unit gonna be also use for belakor so no need to dictated a whole lp for it.

TheWattman#7460

I'd say its highly tempting, but I would not favour this option. There is so much left to do in the Old World, plus some things that won't be covered in WH2, that realistically CA can't afford to focus on Game 3 vs Game 3. Game 3 vs Game 1 must be the priority:

Empire - Cult of Ulric update, general Averland/engineer Wissenland update

Dwarfs - Rune Karak Azul update with Thorek, Slayer update with Kraka Drak or Malakai

Vampires - 4 different bloodlines (Strigoi & Lahmia need LP, Blood Dragons not sure, Necrarch FLC) needing atleast 1 lord + Nagash

Greenskins - LOTS of missing lord/hero options, Black Orc theme needed, Savage Orc theme needed

Norsca - 2 more lords necessary, Egil Styrbjorn and Sayl the Faithless

Dogs of War

Tomb Kings - Numas-centered update needed

High Elves - Naval theme missing

Skaven - Thanquol confirmed for WH3, needs an LP with Verminlords and Stormfiends

brago90#3911

Not only is it possible, they are most likely the first Lord Packs we will see.

TheGuardianOfMetal#3661

TheWattman said:

I'd say its highly tempting, but I would not favour this option. There is so much left to do in the Old World, plus some things that won't be covered in WH2, that realistically CA can't afford to focus on Game 3 vs Game 3. Game 3 vs Game 1 must be the priority:

Empire - Cult of Ulric update, general Averland/engineer Wissenland update

Dwarfs - Rune Karak Azul update with Thorek, Slayer update with Kraka Drak or Malakai

Vampires - 4 different bloodlines (Strigoi & Lahmia need LP, Blood Dragons not sure, Necrarch FLC) needing atleast 1 lord + Nagash

Greenskins - LOTS of missing lord/hero options, Black Orc theme needed, Savage Orc theme needed

Norsca - 2 more lords necessary, Egil Styrbjorn and Sayl the Faithless

Dogs of War

Tomb Kings - Numas-centered update needed

High Elves - Naval theme missing

Skaven - Thanquol confirmed for WH3, needs an LP with Verminlords and Stormfiends

This is how the Empire should look at the end... well maybe minus Elspeth



Middenland added because Thugenheim wasn't added to Empire main

Slayer_Yannir#8069

MythrilSoul said:

CA will do some game 3 only lord packs before doing crossgame LPs, that much we all can agree that is certain

Will they though?
Maybe they regret doing that with game 2. Nobody really knows except CA themselves.

TheWattman#7460

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

This is how the Empire should look at the end... well maybe minus Elspeth



Middenland added because Thugenheim wasn't added to Empire main

I mean Theoderic Gausser and Kurt Helborg are my most wanted Empire lords, so yeah I agree. One can only dream of an unlocked Nordland though.

Captain_Rex#1635

Yannir said:

MythrilSoul said:

CA will do some game 3 only lord packs before doing crossgame LPs, that much we all can agree that is certain

Will they though?
Maybe they regret doing that with game 2. Nobody really knows except CA themselves.

Nope they clearly will.

Maelas

It's nonsense to compare a chaos vs chaos LP to the Queen and the Crone.

Dark Elves and High Elves are as thematically opposed as possible. One is evil, melee and agressive, and the other is good, ranged and defensive. They don't appeal to the same type of players

Meanwhile, no matter how much you differenciate the chaos races, they will still always be chaos. They always will be one particular branch of evil, mostly melee, rushdown and corrupting. It's a lot more homogenous than Elves.