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CA will do some game 3 only lord packs before doing crossgame LPs, that much we all can agree that is certain
Will they though? Maybe they regret doing that with game 2. Nobody really knows except CA themselves.
i think CA would want game 3 to have enough content to stand by itself without using game 1 & 2, but who knows? only CA, and they certanly aint telling us anything about it
It's nonsense to compare a chaos vs chaos LP to the Queen and the Crone.
Dark Elves and High Elves are as thematically opposed as possible. One is evil, melee and agressive, and the other is good, ranged and defensive. They don't appeal to the same type of players
Meanwhile, no matter how much you differenciate the chaos races, they will still always be chaos. They always will be one particular branch of evil, mostly melee, rushdown and corrupting. It's a lot more homogenous than Elves.
Thematically opposed maybe. But their rosters are very similar, especially when queen and the crone released. Think about the roster we had at launch and you will be able to find a high elf and a dark elf version of the same unit in half the roster.
It is actually very similar to chaos, as while they are all "chaos" they are thematically opposites by design.
It's nonsense to compare a chaos vs chaos LP to the Queen and the Crone.
Dark Elves and High Elves are as thematically opposed as possible. One is evil, melee and agressive, and the other is good, ranged and defensive. They don't appeal to the same type of players
Meanwhile, no matter how much you differenciate the chaos races, they will still always be chaos. They always will be one particular branch of evil, mostly melee, rushdown and corrupting. It's a lot more homogenous than Elves.
The Chaos Gods are also completely opposed. That being said, I doubt we will get such a LP after Q&C being such a flop.
I disagree on a very fundamental basis, not of gameplay but of theme. Every flavour of chaos is identical in their goals and their over-arching theme. They are all following their god and invading the world from the north-east. They are all undisputably evil. They are all undisputably the agressor.
Sure, Nurgle do it with plagues and rotting things, Khorne do it with angry dudes and metal constructs and Slaanesh do it with awesomeness, and I don't dispute they might play differently. But at the end of the day, it's chaos. They feed on emotions, they have big armored guys and they want to enslave the world.
Compare it to Undeads races. Vampires are the mustache-twirling aristocrats trying to usurp thrones. Tomb Kings are after rebuilding their lost empire and defending what is left of it. Vampirates basically want to have a good time, pillage and get rich and famous.
Elven races ? One is the sworn protector of the world, weakened yet brave, one is isolationnist and primal and retired from the world at large and the last one is bitter, bent on domination and reconquest of a lost homeland.
Meanwhile, wether you play as Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh or Tzeentch, you are gonna run over the world because that's just what Chaos do. It takes over, just because it can and it is in its nature.
Not to say it's a flaw, on the contrary, but you can't make a DLC with two different flavours of just that. It'd be too samey
I disagree on a very fundamental basis, not of gameplay but of theme. Every flavour of chaos is identical in their goals and their over-arching theme. They are all following their god and invading the world from the north-east. They are all undisputably evil. They are all undisputably the agressor.
Sure, Nurgle do it with plagues and rotting things, Khorne do it with angry dudes and metal constructs and Slaanesh do it with awesomeness, and I don't dispute they might play differently. But at the end of the day, it's chaos. They feed on emotions, they have big armored guys and they want to enslave the world.
Compare it to Undeads races. Vampires are the mustache-twirling aristocrats trying to usurp thrones. Tomb Kings are after rebuilding their lost empire and defending what is left of it. Vampirates basically want to have a good time, pillage and get rich and famous.
Elven races ? One is the sworn protector of the world, weakened yet brave, one is isolationnist and primal and retired from the world at large and the last one is bitter, bent on domination and reconquest of a lost homeland.
Meanwhile, wether you play as Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh or Tzeentch, you are gonna run over the world because that's just what Chaos do. It takes over, just because it can and it is in its nature.
Not to say it's a flaw, on the contrary, but you can't make a DLC with two different flavours of just that. It'd be too samey
Khorne hate tzeentch for being a lying magic using coward.
Is not matter if they goal is chaos when there goal look completly diffrent,.
Khorne want a eternal gladiator arena, slannesh will a never ending party, nurgle want to rott and diseases everything and tzeentch...
No one knows what Tzeentch want honestly because that his grand plan.
They gonna do because is need to finish the core roster in someway that they comparaible to eachother.
I disagree on a very fundamental basis, not of gameplay but of theme. Every flavour of chaos is identical in their goals and their over-arching theme. They are all following their god and invading the world from the north-east. They are all undisputably evil. They are all undisputably the agressor.
Sure, Nurgle do it with plagues and rotting things, Khorne do it with angry dudes and metal constructs and Slaanesh do it with awesomeness, and I don't dispute they might play differently. But at the end of the day, it's chaos. They feed on emotions, they have big armored guys and they want to enslave the world.
Compare it to Undeads races. Vampires are the mustache-twirling aristocrats trying to usurp thrones. Tomb Kings are after rebuilding their lost empire and defending what is left of it. Vampirates basically want to have a good time, pillage and get rich and famous.
Elven races ? One is the sworn protector of the world, weakened yet brave, one is isolationnist and primal and retired from the world at large and the last one is bitter, bent on domination and reconquest of a lost homeland.
Meanwhile, wether you play as Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh or Tzeentch, you are gonna run over the world because that's just what Chaos do. It takes over, just because it can and it is in its nature.
Not to say it's a flaw, on the contrary, but you can't make a DLC with two different flavours of just that. It'd be too samey
I usually would agree with you but considering that we will get the Chaos Realm, I expect CA to go much more in depth when it’s about the motives of each Chaos God. It won’t be only about „destroying the world“.
I expect Cross dlc in Warhammer 3 at the beginning, in Warhammer 2 it's a different situation, CA clearly made improvements in how they made DLCs, Cross game dlc it's a thing now, we have too many factions to waste in Warhammer 3 vs Warhammer 3 DLCs, unless they do something like old game vs old game, or if the DLCs are made in less time.
Game 3 should be far from exclusive for game 3 races. It's the magnum opus of the Warhammer: Total War IP.
Besides, every Legendary Lord from an older race getting included, is still a new WH3 Lord. With some new units, and new mechanics. WH3 races will need Lord-Packs, but 2-3 might be a bit excessive for some of the rosters. I mean, most game 2 races were somewhat fine with 2. And that's because of their very big rosters and character-pools, mostly.
Meanwhile, the Empire still has like 4 very good LL options left. At least. And quite a variety of units.
Personally I don't think they're going to give the Monos the same number of LPs as the others. Even if they do I don't think they're likely to do evil vs evil, especially when they're so similar, which Monogods undeniably are very similar. There's also the popularity factor. From everything we know about the data in TWW1 and TWW2 Monos are unlikely to be particularly popular, this could be countered by a fanbase that's more likely to buy DLCs but it is a factor.
That said regardless of who gets how many LPs I think Chaos vs Chaos is unlikely. Though on a personal level I'd be cool with it.
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Personally I don't think they're going to give the Monos the same number of LPs as the others. Even if they do I don't think they're likely to do evil vs evil, especially when they're so similar, which Monogods undeniably are very similar. There's also the popularity factor. From everything we know about the data in TWW1 and TWW2 Monos are unlikely to be particularly popular, this could be countered by a fanbase that's more likely to buy DLCs but it is a factor.
That said regardless of who gets how many LPs I think Chaos vs Chaos is unlikely. Though on a personal level I'd be cool with it.
They are core races so they will obviously get a minimum of 2 LPs. Nurgle most likely even 3.
Personally I don't think they're going to give the Monos the same number of LPs as the others. Even if they do I don't think they're likely to do evil vs evil, especially when they're so similar, which Monogods undeniably are very similar. There's also the popularity factor. From everything we know about the data in TWW1 and TWW2 Monos are unlikely to be particularly popular, this could be countered by a fanbase that's more likely to buy DLCs but it is a factor.
That said regardless of who gets how many LPs I think Chaos vs Chaos is unlikely. Though on a personal level I'd be cool with it.
They are core races so they will obviously get a minimum of 2 LPs. Nurgle most likely even 3.
We simply don't know that. We've never had cores with 1 LL each before. There's no precedent.
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Personally I don't think they're going to give the Monos the same number of LPs as the others. Even if they do I don't think they're likely to do evil vs evil, especially when they're so similar, which Monogods undeniably are very similar. There's also the popularity factor. From everything we know about the data in TWW1 and TWW2 Monos are unlikely to be particularly popular, this could be countered by a fanbase that's more likely to buy DLCs but it is a factor.
That said regardless of who gets how many LPs I think Chaos vs Chaos is unlikely. Though on a personal level I'd be cool with it.
Personally I don't think they're going to give the Monos the same number of LPs as the others. Even if they do I don't think they're likely to do evil vs evil, especially when they're so similar, which Monogods undeniably are very similar. There's also the popularity factor. From everything we know about the data in TWW1 and TWW2 Monos are unlikely to be particularly popular, this could be countered by a fanbase that's more likely to buy DLCs but it is a factor.
That said regardless of who gets how many LPs I think Chaos vs Chaos is unlikely. Though on a personal level I'd be cool with it.
They are core races so they will obviously get a minimum of 2 LPs. Nurgle most likely even 3.
We simply don't know that. We've never had cores with 1 LL each before. There's no precedent.
We also never had 6 core races so the actual numbers of LLs is irrelevant. By CAs own description we know that they will be fully unique and diverse core races.
Personally I don't think they're going to give the Monos the same number of LPs as the others. Even if they do I don't think they're likely to do evil vs evil, especially when they're so similar, which Monogods undeniably are very similar. There's also the popularity factor. From everything we know about the data in TWW1 and TWW2 Monos are unlikely to be particularly popular, this could be countered by a fanbase that's more likely to buy DLCs but it is a factor.
That said regardless of who gets how many LPs I think Chaos vs Chaos is unlikely. Though on a personal level I'd be cool with it.
They are core races so they will obviously get a minimum of 2 LPs. Nurgle most likely even 3.
We simply don't know that. We've never had cores with 1 LL each before. There's no precedent.
We also never had 6 core races so the actual numbers of LLs is irrelevant. By CAs own description we know that they will be fully unique and diverse core races.
I think the 1 LL for each MonoGod was more to balance the Good vs Evil number of LL, if they had given 2 to each MonoGod from the start we would have had 8 evil or even 9 if Be'lakaor is the 9th LL vs 4 good.
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Personally I don't think they're going to give the Monos the same number of LPs as the others. Even if they do I don't think they're likely to do evil vs evil, especially when they're so similar, which Monogods undeniably are very similar. There's also the popularity factor. From everything we know about the data in TWW1 and TWW2 Monos are unlikely to be particularly popular, this could be countered by a fanbase that's more likely to buy DLCs but it is a factor.
That said regardless of who gets how many LPs I think Chaos vs Chaos is unlikely. Though on a personal level I'd be cool with it.
we got evil vs evil and that is skaven vs de.
And was pretty succesful lel.
1 Evil vs Evil LP ever. Headlined by a character with multiple books. Featuring two radically different races. That wouldn't be true for Chaos vs Chaos.
We also don't know it did in sales.
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Personally I don't think they're going to give the Monos the same number of LPs as the others. Even if they do I don't think they're likely to do evil vs evil, especially when they're so similar, which Monogods undeniably are very similar. There's also the popularity factor. From everything we know about the data in TWW1 and TWW2 Monos are unlikely to be particularly popular, this could be countered by a fanbase that's more likely to buy DLCs but it is a factor.
That said regardless of who gets how many LPs I think Chaos vs Chaos is unlikely. Though on a personal level I'd be cool with it.
They are core races so they will obviously get a minimum of 2 LPs. Nurgle most likely even 3.
We simply don't know that. We've never had cores with 1 LL each before. There's no precedent.
We also never had 6 core races so the actual numbers of LLs is irrelevant. By CAs own description we know that they will be fully unique and diverse core races.
So you agree with me then. We simply don't know how CA will treat core races with 1 LL. It's reasonable to speculate that could mean less LPs.
Also I've very clearly never denied that they'll be fully unique core races. Please stick to responding to what I've said.
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Personally I don't think they're going to give the Monos the same number of LPs as the others. Even if they do I don't think they're likely to do evil vs evil, especially when they're so similar, which Monogods undeniably are very similar. There's also the popularity factor. From everything we know about the data in TWW1 and TWW2 Monos are unlikely to be particularly popular, this could be countered by a fanbase that's more likely to buy DLCs but it is a factor.
That said regardless of who gets how many LPs I think Chaos vs Chaos is unlikely. Though on a personal level I'd be cool with it.
we got evil vs evil and that is skaven vs de.
And was pretty succesful lel.
1 Evil vs Evil LP ever. Headlined by a character with multiple books. Featuring two radically different races. That wouldn't be true for Chaos vs Chaos.
We also don't know it did in sales.
I get you what you say, but no.
Chaos is maybe the big bad in the warhammer universe still would argue about if skaven or de are so much better.
Still not wanna side this conversation just point out.
As long the Chaos mono gods play complete diffrently they count as radical diffrent races.
p.s maybe i totaly misunderstand you so i apologize if that the case.
I'd say its highly tempting, but I would not favour this option. There is so much left to do in the Old World, plus some things that won't be covered in WH2, that realistically CA can't afford to focus on Game 3 vs Game 3. Game 3 vs Game 1 must be the priority:
Empire - Cult of Ulric update, general Averland/engineer Wissenland update
Dwarfs - Rune Karak Azul update with Thorek, Slayer update with Kraka Drak or Malakai
Vampires - 4 different bloodlines (Strigoi & Lahmia need LP, Blood Dragons not sure, Necrarch FLC) needing atleast 1 lord + Nagash
Greenskins - LOTS of missing lord/hero options, Black Orc theme needed, Savage Orc theme needed
Norsca - 2 more lords necessary, Egil Styrbjorn and Sayl the Faithless
Dogs of War
Tomb Kings - Numas-centered update needed
High Elves - Naval theme missing
Skaven - Thanquol confirmed for WH3, needs an LP with Verminlords and Stormfiends
This is how the Empire should look at the end... well maybe minus Elspeth
Middenland added because Thugenheim wasn't added to Empire main
Personally I don't think they're going to give the Monos the same number of LPs as the others. Even if they do I don't think they're likely to do evil vs evil, especially when they're so similar, which Monogods undeniably are very similar. There's also the popularity factor. From everything we know about the data in TWW1 and TWW2 Monos are unlikely to be particularly popular, this could be countered by a fanbase that's more likely to buy DLCs but it is a factor.
That said regardless of who gets how many LPs I think Chaos vs Chaos is unlikely. Though on a personal level I'd be cool with it.
we got evil vs evil and that is skaven vs de.
And was pretty succesful lel.
1 Evil vs Evil LP ever. Headlined by a character with multiple books. Featuring two radically different races. That wouldn't be true for Chaos vs Chaos.
We also don't know it did in sales.
I get you what you say, but no.
Chaos is maybe the big bad in the warhammer universe still would argue about if skaven or de are so much better.
Still not wanna side this conversation just point out.
As long the Chaos mono gods play complete diffrently they count as radical diffrent races.
No one is saying they won't be radically different. Indeed CA should step away from the lore and the TT to exaggerate it. What's being said is that Chaos is inherently going to be similar to Chaos
I find it unlikely that CA will pit very similar races against each other. It could happen, but it'd be a big departure from the norm.
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I'd say its highly tempting, but I would not favour this option. There is so much left to do in the Old World, plus some things that won't be covered in WH2, that realistically CA can't afford to focus on Game 3 vs Game 3. Game 3 vs Game 1 must be the priority:
Empire - Cult of Ulric update, general Averland/engineer Wissenland update
Dwarfs - Rune Karak Azul update with Thorek, Slayer update with Kraka Drak or Malakai
Vampires - 4 different bloodlines (Strigoi & Lahmia need LP, Blood Dragons not sure, Necrarch FLC) needing atleast 1 lord + Nagash
Greenskins - LOTS of missing lord/hero options, Black Orc theme needed, Savage Orc theme needed
Norsca - 2 more lords necessary, Egil Styrbjorn and Sayl the Faithless
Dogs of War
Tomb Kings - Numas-centered update needed
High Elves - Naval theme missing
Skaven - Thanquol confirmed for WH3, needs an LP with Verminlords and Stormfiends
This is how the Empire should look at the end... well maybe minus Elspeth
Middenland added because Thugenheim wasn't added to Empire main
Why do you hate Elspeth?
Tamurkhan vs Elseph would be sick.
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I'd say its highly tempting, but I would not favour this option. There is so much left to do in the Old World, plus some things that won't be covered in WH2, that realistically CA can't afford to focus on Game 3 vs Game 3. Game 3 vs Game 1 must be the priority:
Empire - Cult of Ulric update, general Averland/engineer Wissenland update
Dwarfs - Rune Karak Azul update with Thorek, Slayer update with Kraka Drak or Malakai
Vampires - 4 different bloodlines (Strigoi & Lahmia need LP, Blood Dragons not sure, Necrarch FLC) needing atleast 1 lord + Nagash
Greenskins - LOTS of missing lord/hero options, Black Orc theme needed, Savage Orc theme needed
Norsca - 2 more lords necessary, Egil Styrbjorn and Sayl the Faithless
Dogs of War
Tomb Kings - Numas-centered update needed
High Elves - Naval theme missing
Skaven - Thanquol confirmed for WH3, needs an LP with Verminlords and Stormfiends
This is how the Empire should look at the end... well maybe minus Elspeth
Middenland added because Thugenheim wasn't added to Empire main
Why do you hate Elspeth?
Tamurkhan vs Elseph would be sick.
I always wondered, would Elspeth be like a hybrid lore or is she a pure caster, except when she is in the dragon? I don't know how she was in TT or anything.
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I'd say its highly tempting, but I would not favour this option. There is so much left to do in the Old World, plus some things that won't be covered in WH2, that realistically CA can't afford to focus on Game 3 vs Game 3. Game 3 vs Game 1 must be the priority:
Empire - Cult of Ulric update, general Averland/engineer Wissenland update
Dwarfs - Rune Karak Azul update with Thorek, Slayer update with Kraka Drak or Malakai
Vampires - 4 different bloodlines (Strigoi & Lahmia need LP, Blood Dragons not sure, Necrarch FLC) needing atleast 1 lord + Nagash
Greenskins - LOTS of missing lord/hero options, Black Orc theme needed, Savage Orc theme needed
Norsca - 2 more lords necessary, Egil Styrbjorn and Sayl the Faithless
Dogs of War
Tomb Kings - Numas-centered update needed
High Elves - Naval theme missing
Skaven - Thanquol confirmed for WH3, needs an LP with Verminlords and Stormfiends
This is how the Empire should look at the end... well maybe minus Elspeth
Middenland added because Thugenheim wasn't added to Empire main
Why do you hate Elspeth?
Tamurkhan vs Elseph would be sick.
I always wondered, would Elspeth be like a hybrid lore or is she a pure caster, except when she is in the dragon? I don't know how she was in TT or anything.
her things were the access to a dragon mount at an "affordable" price & the magical sandstone that healed wounds, without the mount she's more of a pure caster her scythe did give her the killingblow rule but she's has the durability of soiled paper in melee so she's kinda useless without the mount in the melee department
So, she is similar to Morathi then, a pure caster that is not terrible in combat, but that really shines because of her mount.
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Unlikely. Races included in LP need to be complete opposites of each other, that's how it's been so far more or less. That's because if one person dislikes one side he might like the other side of LP therefore it makes him more likely to buy it and that's what CA likes. And no chaos gods aren't very diverse I've proven it in one of my infamous threads.
Edit. Typo
To be fair, a Chaos vs Chaos LP would be comparable to a DE vs HE LP. But considering that this LP was a complete failure, I highly doubt that CA will repeat something like that.
Unlikely. Races included in LP need to be complete opposites of each other, that's how it's been so far more or less. That's because if one person dislikes one side he might like the other side of LP therefore it makes him more likely to buy it and that's what CA likes. And no chaos gods aren't very diverse I've proven it in one of my infamous threads.
Edit. Typo
To be fair, a Chaos vs Chaos LP would be comparable to a DE vs HE LP. But considering that this LP was a complete failure, I highly doubt that CA will repeat something like that.
Not really as HE and DE are polar opposites
Pretty much.
They were literally designed to be reflections of each other. Literally designed to be rivals. Chaos was designed to work from the one book, designed to work together.
Even the sole evil vs evil LP was two very different evil races. Same for Good vs Good. CA could do Chaos vs Chaos but it would be a new thing. Business wise if it's probably a pretty poor option too.
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Primarily because I really hope they go to cross-game packs ASAP, but I think there is a distinction between HE versus DE and Chaos versus Chaos.
HE versus DE is one of the core conflicts in the setting. There's a reason why Age of Reckoning and the card game each picked out the same three fundamental conflicts: Empire versus Chaos, Dwarfs versus Greenskins, and High Elves versus Dark Elves. The Asur-Druchii conflict is one that has directly or indirectly affected almost every race in the Warhammer world, whether they realise it or not.
For Chaos, though, the rivalry between the Chaos Gods is something that we're told about, but it hasn't really had that much influence on the world. When Chaos incursions move against the civilised world, though, it's almost invariably a united front: either an Undivided force, or an army dedicated to a single god. Going through the timelines, there's only one time when the rivalry between gods broke out into open fighting somewhere where there were non-Chaos witnesses (when Nurgle decided to save Mousillon from Tzeentch) - otherwise, as far as the other races are concerned, the Chaos Gods put up a pretty unified front. It doesn't really matter how much conflict there is in the Chaos Wastes or the Realm of Chaos if they pretty much always put aside their differences whenever the rest of the world is watching.
Generally speaking, the rivalry between the Chaos Gods only ever really matters in games and scenarios where all the players are Chaos and the other races are just there as NPCs for Chaos to beat up on (if they're even there at all). Across the broader scope of Warhammer history, though, Chaos behaves like a single conglomerate to the other races more often than not. Khorne might think Slaanesh is a sissy and Tzeentch might consider Nurgle to be disgusting, but neither really has the traction or the historical impact of the Asur-Druchii conflict.
A HE-DE lordpack was as inevitable as Dwarfs and Greenskins. Rivalries between the Chaos Gods are... well, it's a bit like proposing a lordpack between Empire and Bretonnia. Sure they're rivals, but more often than not they pretty quickly put aside their rivalries when there's a common enemy to fight.
i hope not , plus their is zero mention of bretonnain DLC i find comments in this thread unchivalrous
Oh yes, we need that Mallaboude DLC 😉.
But to be honest, until we know if Bretonnia will even get a DLC, it's a bit pointless to speculate about it.
No we need to show that it will sell, if not they will not do dlc.
Why make me sad with Mallobaude mention.
If only GW would show some new unit for Bretonnia in the Old World, that would imply that CA also nows about it, so that would mean that that statement of theirs was more to stop the speculation.
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Personally I don't think they're going to give the Monos the same number of LPs as the others. Even if they do I don't think they're likely to do evil vs evil, especially when they're so similar, which Monogods undeniably are very similar. There's also the popularity factor. From everything we know about the data in TWW1 and TWW2 Monos are unlikely to be particularly popular, this could be countered by a fanbase that's more likely to buy DLCs but it is a factor.
That said regardless of who gets how many LPs I think Chaos vs Chaos is unlikely. Though on a personal level I'd be cool with it.
They are core races so they will obviously get a minimum of 2 LPs. Nurgle most likely even 3.
We simply don't know that. We've never had cores with 1 LL each before. There's no precedent.
We also never had 6 core races so the actual numbers of LLs is irrelevant. By CAs own description we know that they will be fully unique and diverse core races.
So you agree with me then. We simply don't know how CA will treat core races with 1 LL. It's reasonable to speculate that could mean less LPs.
Also I've very clearly never denied that they'll be fully unique core races. Please stick to responding to what I've said.
No. Read the blog and the interviews. We know that they will be fully unique Core Races.
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0 · Disagree AgreeIt is actually very similar to chaos, as while they are all "chaos" they are thematically opposites by design.
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1 · Disagree AgreeSure, Nurgle do it with plagues and rotting things, Khorne do it with angry dudes and metal constructs and Slaanesh do it with awesomeness, and I don't dispute they might play differently. But at the end of the day, it's chaos. They feed on emotions, they have big armored guys and they want to enslave the world.
Compare it to Undeads races. Vampires are the mustache-twirling aristocrats trying to usurp thrones. Tomb Kings are after rebuilding their lost empire and defending what is left of it. Vampirates basically want to have a good time, pillage and get rich and famous.
Elven races ? One is the sworn protector of the world, weakened yet brave, one is isolationnist and primal and retired from the world at large and the last one is bitter, bent on domination and reconquest of a lost homeland.
Meanwhile, wether you play as Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh or Tzeentch, you are gonna run over the world because that's just what Chaos do. It takes over, just because it can and it is in its nature.
Not to say it's a flaw, on the contrary, but you can't make a DLC with two different flavours of just that. It'd be too samey
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2 · Disagree AgreeIs not matter if they goal is chaos when there goal look completly diffrent,.
Khorne want a eternal gladiator arena, slannesh will a never ending party, nurgle want to rott and diseases everything and tzeentch...
No one knows what Tzeentch want honestly because that his grand plan.
They gonna do because is need to finish the core roster in someway that they comparaible to eachother.
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0 · Disagree AgreeBesides, every Legendary Lord from an older race getting included, is still a new WH3 Lord. With some new units, and new mechanics. WH3 races will need Lord-Packs, but 2-3 might be a bit excessive for some of the rosters. I mean, most game 2 races were somewhat fine with 2. And that's because of their very big rosters and character-pools, mostly.
Meanwhile, the Empire still has like 4 very good LL options left. At least. And quite a variety of units.
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1 · Disagree AgreePersonally I don't think they're going to give the Monos the same number of LPs as the others. Even if they do I don't think they're likely to do evil vs evil, especially when they're so similar, which Monogods undeniably are very similar. There's also the popularity factor. From everything we know about the data in TWW1 and TWW2 Monos are unlikely to be particularly popular, this could be countered by a fanbase that's more likely to buy DLCs but it is a factor.
That said regardless of who gets how many LPs I think Chaos vs Chaos is unlikely. Though on a personal level I'd be cool with it.
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1 · Disagree Agree#givemoreunitsforbrettonia, my bret dlc
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2 · Disagree AgreeAnd was pretty succesful lel.
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3 · Disagree AgreeBut to be honest, until we know if Bretonnia will even get a DLC, it's a bit pointless to speculate about it.
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2 · Disagree AgreeWe also don't know it did in sales.
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0 · Disagree AgreeAlso I've very clearly never denied that they'll be fully unique core races. Please stick to responding to what I've said.
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2 · Disagree AgreeChaos is maybe the big bad in the warhammer universe still would argue about if skaven or de are so much better.
Still not wanna side this conversation just point out.
As long the Chaos mono gods play complete diffrently they count as radical diffrent races.
p.s maybe i totaly misunderstand you so i apologize if that the case.
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1 · Disagree AgreeI find it unlikely that CA will pit very similar races against each other. It could happen, but it'd be a big departure from the norm.
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#givemoreunitsforbrettonia, my bret dlc
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1 · Disagree AgreeThey were literally designed to be reflections of each other. Literally designed to be rivals. Chaos was designed to work from the one book, designed to work together.
Even the sole evil vs evil LP was two very different evil races. Same for Good vs Good. CA could do Chaos vs Chaos but it would be a new thing. Business wise if it's probably a pretty poor option too.
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0 · Disagree AgreePrimarily because I really hope they go to cross-game packs ASAP, but I think there is a distinction between HE versus DE and Chaos versus Chaos.
HE versus DE is one of the core conflicts in the setting. There's a reason why Age of Reckoning and the card game each picked out the same three fundamental conflicts: Empire versus Chaos, Dwarfs versus Greenskins, and High Elves versus Dark Elves. The Asur-Druchii conflict is one that has directly or indirectly affected almost every race in the Warhammer world, whether they realise it or not.
For Chaos, though, the rivalry between the Chaos Gods is something that we're told about, but it hasn't really had that much influence on the world. When Chaos incursions move against the civilised world, though, it's almost invariably a united front: either an Undivided force, or an army dedicated to a single god. Going through the timelines, there's only one time when the rivalry between gods broke out into open fighting somewhere where there were non-Chaos witnesses (when Nurgle decided to save Mousillon from Tzeentch) - otherwise, as far as the other races are concerned, the Chaos Gods put up a pretty unified front. It doesn't really matter how much conflict there is in the Chaos Wastes or the Realm of Chaos if they pretty much always put aside their differences whenever the rest of the world is watching.
Generally speaking, the rivalry between the Chaos Gods only ever really matters in games and scenarios where all the players are Chaos and the other races are just there as NPCs for Chaos to beat up on (if they're even there at all). Across the broader scope of Warhammer history, though, Chaos behaves like a single conglomerate to the other races more often than not. Khorne might think Slaanesh is a sissy and Tzeentch might consider Nurgle to be disgusting, but neither really has the traction or the historical impact of the Asur-Druchii conflict.
A HE-DE lordpack was as inevitable as Dwarfs and Greenskins. Rivalries between the Chaos Gods are... well, it's a bit like proposing a lordpack between Empire and Bretonnia. Sure they're rivals, but more often than not they pretty quickly put aside their rivalries when there's a common enemy to fight. Queen and Crone managed to be disappointing even by the standards set by older DLCs.
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