Are there female versions for these factions ?

Jenibor

hello i would like to know are there female beastmans, lizardmans, chaos dwarfs, ogres, chaos warriors and skavens but i don't speak about broodmothers i speak like a normal skaven but female thank you in advance (sorry for the mistakes i speak french)

SteelRonin#4832

Beastmen yes, and they are super shy
Lizardmen, nope
Chaos Dwarfs....maybe, Dwarfs have women
Ogres...idk
Chaos and Norsca, yes

SaintCorn#3148

Female beastmen exist.
https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Beastwomen
A source for them. It is in English sadly, but you may be able to find it in French or translate it.

Lizardmen are asexual so no.

Chaos Dwarfs, Ogres, and Chaos Warriors all have women, but they aren't depicted really.

Skaven just have the brood mothers, and there are no other Skaven that are female.

Bonutz#3949

All the above have women except for Lizardmen.

MODIDDLY1#9212

Beastmen females are more gentle and shy
Skaven females are basically giant warp drugged up breeders
Lizardmen are Asexual
Chaos Dwarves are most likely similar to Dwarves in that their male to female birth ration is like 80/20
Ogres have a few female models so have females in lore at least
Chaos/Norsca yes have several female characters and women can be chosen/chaos warriors as well, GW just never really made models/fleshed out the characters.

Itharus#3127

SaintCorn said:

Female beastmen exist.
https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Beastwomen
A source for them. It is in English sadly, but you may be able to find it in French or translate it.

Lizardmen are asexual so no.

Chaos Dwarfs, Ogres, and Chaos Warriors all have women, but they aren't depicted really.

Skaven just have the brood mothers, and there are no other Skaven that are female.

I view that source with extreme skepticism. A goodly number of authors came and wrote books in WH with a very flawed and incomplete understanding of WH lore because they were just hired hands instead of actual long term grognardy fans who know 100x better.

So we get crap like Beastwomen, and Goblins that get old and like to **** human women (despite being asexual creatures).

Shameful writing.

May technically be classified as canon just because it got published, but does anyone really accept it? It's like calling Episodes 7-9 actual canon. A terrible mistake. Every real fan knows better.

ROMOBOY#7812

Everything besides Lizardmen.

saweendra#3399

Op are you asking for if the races above having females or are there females in those races?

SaintCorn#3148

Itharus said:

SaintCorn said:

Female beastmen exist.
https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Beastwomen
A source for them. It is in English sadly, but you may be able to find it in French or translate it.

Lizardmen are asexual so no.

Chaos Dwarfs, Ogres, and Chaos Warriors all have women, but they aren't depicted really.

Skaven just have the brood mothers, and there are no other Skaven that are female.

I view that source with extreme skepticism. A goodly number of authors came and wrote books in WH with a very flawed and incomplete understanding of WH lore because they were just hired hands instead of actual long term grognardy fans who know 100x better.

So we get crap like Beastwomen, and Goblins that get old and like to **** human women (despite being asexual creatures).

Shameful writing.

May technically be classified as canon just because it got published, but does anyone really accept it? It's like calling Episodes 7-9 actual canon. A terrible mistake. Every real fan knows better.

It is canon because it got published.
Plus it is technically also part of Total War Warhammer as it's a follower.
Canon can be bad, but in this instance, it is pretty neutral on its impact.

So, for a Total War forum, it is canon, and for Warhammer, it is canon.

OdTengri#8235

Itharus said:

SaintCorn said:

Female beastmen exist.
https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Beastwomen
A source for them. It is in English sadly, but you may be able to find it in French or translate it.

Lizardmen are asexual so no.

Chaos Dwarfs, Ogres, and Chaos Warriors all have women, but they aren't depicted really.

Skaven just have the brood mothers, and there are no other Skaven that are female.

I view that source with extreme skepticism. A goodly number of authors came and wrote books in WH with a very flawed and incomplete understanding of WH lore because they were just hired hands instead of actual long term grognardy fans who know 100x better.

So we get crap like Beastwomen, and Goblins that get old and like to **** human women (despite being asexual creatures).

Shameful writing.

May technically be classified as canon just because it got published, but does anyone really accept it? It's like calling Episodes 7-9 actual canon. A terrible mistake. Every real fan knows better.

Pretty much everyone accepts the concept of Beastwomen, the only other possibilities are NC-17

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

Warhammer doesn't have canon. Just a great many biased perspectives that shift in and out of validity as the game progresses.

ROMOBOY#7812

Vanilla_Gorilla said:

Warhammer doesn't have canon. Just a great many biased perspectives that shift in and out of validity as the game progresses.

Pretty sure High Elves being sus is canon.

Bereaver#4201

There is an actual female dwarf engineet playable in Action-RPG Warhammer Fantasy: Chaosbane.

I suppose that her inclusion is approved by Games Workshop and they are warming up to the idea of having female Dwarfs on the battlefield.

I would love to see a female Dwarf character or unit in Total War honestly. May be it will happen eventually, who knows?

SaurianDruid#4682

Lizardmen: No, lizardmen are uplifted reptiles that were bio-engineered by the Old Ones to serve specific purposes. The reproductive methods of those original reptiles were replaced by the spawning pools which systematically produce fully grown lizardmen on a timed schedule set down by the Old Ones aeons ago.

Granted we don't technically know if lizardmen have genitals or not. We just know they don't use them to breed. LizardMEN is kind of a misnomer. It is what humans and elves call them. For all we know the lizardmen could all be biologically female like in Jurassic Park. The idea of gender doesn't exist in their society. You're a slann, a skink, a saurus, or a kroxigor. What internally held genitals you may or may not have doesn't matter.

It is also worth noting that in 5th edition there was a story where a Slann had his skinks bring a human sailor before him. The Slann asked the sailor questions about human reproduction. The man's awkward responses left the Slann believing that huamn reproduction required alcohol and a lot of courtship rituals. It was a funny read.


Beastmen: Yes, there are beastwomen. They mostly stay behind when the beastmen go off to fight and are described as shy and calm. They're also the ones who are responsible for finding mutated babies left in the woods to die and bringing them in to be raised by the herd.

Personally I always found the idea that the beastwomen were shy, calm, and capable of compassion to make no sense. They're creatures of Chaos just like the males. They should have the same inborn thirst to destroy as anyone else. But eh. Old lore that hasn't been touched on since. Still, there's always room for exceptions to the rule of being docile. Beastmen society is set up so that if you can beat up everyone else you can rule regardless of your normal social status in the warherd.


Chaos Warriors: Yes. Man or woman it doesn't matter to Chaos. All can make the attempt to walk the path to daemonhood. Culturally they are more rare because Imperial women almost never fight and Norscan women rarely go to war with the men (despite their real life counterpart's fascination with shield maidens). Kislev is the only human nation where fighting women are commonplace. Therefore there are fewer warrior women to fall to Chaos.

Amusingly in the same book that gave us the beastwomen lore we also get a female Chaos Champion who's the main antagonist of one of the short stories. She was such a capable warrior that she managed to take over a beastmen warherd and acted as their leader through right of strength. She actually matched Gotrek in single combat for a while.


Skaven: Sadly it is just the broodmothers. Skaven are dicks and their society is set up in a way that any female born will get identified and made into one. Skaven in general have a hard time comprehending females being good for anything but breeding. It is a deeply sexist society.

That said there IS old, obscure lore from the 1st edition RPG that had a female grey seer as an antagonist. This does raise the possibility as a general rule within skaven society is any skaven born with grey or white fur is taken to be trained as a grey seer regardless of what their normal status may have been. More recent lore has never touched on what happens when a female skaven is born with grey fur.

It is a stretch and relies on really, really old and forgotten lore that probably isn't canon anymore but hey, if you want to headcanon your grey seer is female I won't stop you.

There's also lore from one of the Thanquol novels in which there are female rat ogres. They are owned by an especially wealthy skaven and function both as his mates and his personal bodyguards. They look just like normal breeders, something that most skaven treat as basically furniture and never give a second glance, but in reality are capable of quick, powerful movement and will murder anything that moves to harm their master.


Ogres: There are definitely females. There are female ogre cheerleaders for Blood Bowl. Alas that is basically all we know about them. As far as I can tell GW just never cared to write lore for them or their place in society. Which is probably for the better given what happens when they do remember women exist but don't want to make a model for it. (beastwomen, broodmothers, ettc.).


Chaos Dwarfs: Well, probably. They are dwarfs and dwarfs have women. In traditional dwarf society females are rare. They only make up 10% of the population and so are fiercely defended and strongly encouraged not to leave the strongholds. That said if they were to break a vow or become sufficiently shamed there's no rule that prevents them from taking the Slayer's Oath and becoming a bare chested warrior lady.

I have no idea of that holds true for the Chaos dwarfs though. I know very little about their culture and how they differ from their non-chaotic kin.


Hope this helps!

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

ROMOBOY said:

Vanilla_Gorilla said:

Warhammer doesn't have canon. Just a great many biased perspectives that shift in and out of validity as the game progresses.

Pretty sure High Elves being sus is canon.

Elves are sus as a character trait. If they aren't sus they aren't Elves.

Draxynnic#3149

Beastwomen are pretty clearly a thing. Beastmen reproduce, and not entirely through forcing themselves on women of other races or collecting turnskins and gaves (in fact, gaves and turnskins are usually pretty low on the pecking order, Morghur is a special case). It's just a question of whether there's dimorphism or whether they run in the warherds with male Beastmen and most non-Beastmen find it hard to tell the difference.

The "men are violent, women are gentle" trait, though, does reflect medieval German beliefs about schrats (which basically fit the same role in Old German folklore as beastmen do in Warhammer) and holzfrau - the male schrats were usually violent and bad news to anyone who encountered them (especially women...) while the holzfrau were gentle, benign, sometimes even benevolent to humans.

In a Warhammer context, it's not as silly as it may appear. The Beastmen still need to raise beastchildren, otherwise they'd go extinct pretty quickly, which means Chaos or not, some part of what passes for their society needs to have some level of nurturing instinct. Outside of creatures that are biologically immortal, Chaos still needs to strike some sort of balance with evolution - if a particular breed of children of Chaos is physically or psychologically incapable of effective procreation, it's going to die out. It's just that unlike the holzfrau of folklore, Beastwomen are never going to be friendly to untainted humans. But to a child abandoned in the forest due to mutations or a turnskin driven out of their former community, being found by a beastwoman may be a godsend. Just don't ask which god.

ASyrian#2378

No faction with a brain would send their females to war, as long as they relate on births to exist.
Just a few female at all raise to power and grab leadership in the warhammer universe.

Man2008kind#9439

ASyrian said:

No faction with a brain would send their females to war, as long as they relate on births to exist.
Just a few female at all raise to power and grab leadership in the warhammer universe.

Elves are the most common race to send females to war.
eLvEs ArE bRaInLeSs CoNfIrMeD?

ASyrian#2378

Man2008kind said:

ASyrian said:

No faction with a brain would send their females to war, as long as they relate on births to exist.
Just a few female at all raise to power and grab leadership in the warhammer universe.

Elves are the most common race to send females to war.
eLvEs ArE bRaInLeSs CoNfIrMeD?

They are going extinct thats why some phoenix king invented the military draft for all genders.
But thx for outing as clueless.

Man2008kind#9439

ASyrian said:

Man2008kind said:

ASyrian said:

No faction with a brain would send their females to war, as long as they relate on births to exist.
Just a few female at all raise to power and grab leadership in the warhammer universe.

Elves are the most common race to send females to war.
eLvEs ArE bRaInLeSs CoNfIrMeD?

They are going distinct thats why some phoenix king invented the military draft for all genders.
But thx for outing as clueless.

I'll believe you meant extinct, not distinct.
But then shouldn't they protect their females, so they can make children and put their race out of the declining state?
Not so clueless now?

ASyrian#2378

Man2008kind said:

ASyrian said:

Man2008kind said:

ASyrian said:

No faction with a brain would send their females to war, as long as they relate on births to exist.
Just a few female at all raise to power and grab leadership in the warhammer universe.

Elves are the most common race to send females to war.
eLvEs ArE bRaInLeSs CoNfIrMeD?

They are going distinct thats why some phoenix king invented the military draft for all genders.
But thx for outing as clueless.

I'll believe you meant extinct, not distinct.
But then shouldn't they protect their females, so they can make children and put their race out of the declining state?

At some point you got no choice.

Ringoutko

Beast women are a lot rarer than males which owes to why they don't go to battle. Yea they appear in Bloodbowl and Gotrek & Felix but there are very few lore sources even acknowledging they exist. The only novel I can think of where a beast woman joins beastmen oj the battlefield is the AoS novel Beastgrave where Ghroth the Rootcutter has a female ungor in his warband

Draxynnic#3149

ASyrian said:

Man2008kind said:

ASyrian said:

No faction with a brain would send their females to war, as long as they relate on births to exist.
Just a few female at all raise to power and grab leadership in the warhammer universe.

Elves are the most common race to send females to war.
eLvEs ArE bRaInLeSs CoNfIrMeD?

They are going extinct thats why some phoenix king invented the military draft for all genders.
But thx for outing as clueless.

Unless there's some source I'm not aware of, I'm not sure that High Elves do have the draft for both genders. Female High Elves are allowed to serve (and some units such as the Sisters of Avelorn are female-only for religious reasons), but based on models and special characters, the High Elf military is still largely male-dominated outside of Avelorn and mages.

Possibly it's just Games Workshop not getting around to making the models, or possibly it's that when the fluff talks about all High Elves being part of the levy, it's just anthrocentric language that isn't thinking about the she-elves.

Draxynnic#3149

KuntingWarrior said:

Lizardmen are masculine in nature and have no females.

That raises an interesting question - are they? Among reptiles, males aren't necessarily the biggest and most aggressive. Generally speaking, the "male = big and aggressive" only occurs in animals where there's an element of physical competition (direct or indirect) in attracting females - otherwise, it's usually the females that are bigger and more aggressive.

LocyFarstan

Regarding Lizardmen: Bastilladons, Stegadons and Carnosaurs all have to have female forms or are 100% female, since they produce eggs.

Not sure about the rest though. Maybe Saurus are just female coded Skinks and Dread Saurians are just female coded Kroxigors. The basis for this guess is, that in the animal kingdom the female lizards/dinosaurs are bigger/stronger than their male counterparts.

Draxynnic#3149

LocyFarstan said:

Regarding Lizardmen: Bastilladons, Stegadons and Carnosaurs all have to have female forms or are 100% female, since they produce eggs.

Not sure about the rest though. Maybe Saurus are just female coded Skinks and Dread Saurians are just female coded Kroxigors. The basis for this guess is, that in the animal kingdom the female lizards/dinosaurs are bigger/stronger than their male counterparts.

When people were talking about "Lizardmen", they were talking about the actual Skinks, Saurus, Kroxigor, and Slann. The dinosaurs undergo normal reptilian reproduction.

It's possibly been soft retconned, but the older army books gave some information on what the original source material for Skinks, Saurus, and Kroxigors were. Saurus and Kroxigors started out as something on the crocodilian side of the archosaur tree, while Skinks, despite the name, are descended from newts (so aren't really reptiles at all, even if the Old Ones appear to have given them more reptilian features). So evolutionarily speaking, Kroxigor are most closely related to Saurus, although they spawn from the same pools as Skinks.

Which could well be the Old Ones taking advantage of dimorphism, since in crocodiles that can be determined by external factors such as temperature. So it's possible that Kroxigor and Saurus actually come from the same larvae, but if they grow up in a Skink pool they become Kroxigor, and if they grow up in a Saurus pool they become, well, Saurus.

(Chameleon Skinks, from memory, are left as a bit of a mystery. in 5E, Oxyotl was the only one.)

manpersal#3961

Draxynnic said:

ASyrian said:

Man2008kind said:

ASyrian said:

No faction with a brain would send their females to war, as long as they relate on births to exist.
Just a few female at all raise to power and grab leadership in the warhammer universe.

Elves are the most common race to send females to war.
eLvEs ArE bRaInLeSs CoNfIrMeD?

They are going extinct thats why some phoenix king invented the military draft for all genders.
But thx for outing as clueless.

Unless there's some source I'm not aware of, I'm not sure that High Elves do have the draft for both genders. Female High Elves are allowed to serve (and some units such as the Sisters of Avelorn are female-only for religious reasons), but based on models and special characters, the High Elf military is still largely male-dominated outside of Avelorn and mages.

Possibly it's just Games Workshop not getting around to making the models, or possibly it's that when the fluff talks about all High Elves being part of the levy, it's just anthrocentric language that isn't thinking about the she-elves.

In the big 2 novels about HE -'Tyrion and Teclis' and 'Defenders of Ulthuan' there're 2 named female swordmasters' and a few others in military capabilities: the captain and part of the crew of the ship that grabs the twins at the begining of the novel, the ranger that finds the despoils of Nkari first attack or the captain of a group of ellyrian reavers.

mecanojavi99#6562

SaurianDruid said:

Lizardmen: No, lizardmen are uplifted reptiles that were bio-engineered by the Old Ones to serve specific purposes. The reproductive methods of those original reptiles were replaced by the spawning pools which systematically produce fully grown lizardmen on a timed schedule set down by the Old Ones aeons ago.

Granted we don't technically know if lizardmen have genitals or not. We just know they don't use them to breed. LizardMEN is kind of a misnomer. It is what humans and elves call them. For all we know the lizardmen could all be biologically female like in Jurassic Park. The idea of gender doesn't exist in their society. You're a slann, a skink, a saurus, or a kroxigor. What internally held genitals you may or may not have doesn't matter.

It is also worth noting that in 5th edition there was a story where a Slann had his skinks bring a human sailor before him. The Slann asked the sailor questions about human reproduction. The man's awkward responses left the Slann believing that huamn reproduction required alcohol and a lot of courtship rituals. It was a funny read.


Beastmen: Yes, there are beastwomen. They mostly stay behind when the beastmen go off to fight and are described as shy and calm. They're also the ones who are responsible for finding mutated babies left in the woods to die and bringing them in to be raised by the herd.

Personally I always found the idea that the beastwomen were shy, calm, and capable of compassion to make no sense. They're creatures of Chaos just like the males. They should have the same inborn thirst to destroy as anyone else. But eh. Old lore that hasn't been touched on since. Still, there's always room for exceptions to the rule of being docile. Beastmen society is set up so that if you can beat up everyone else you can rule regardless of your normal social status in the warherd.


Chaos Warriors: Yes. Man or woman it doesn't matter to Chaos. All can make the attempt to walk the path to daemonhood. Culturally they are more rare because Imperial women almost never fight and Norscan women rarely go to war with the men (despite their real life counterpart's fascination with shield maidens). Kislev is the only human nation where fighting women are commonplace. Therefore there are fewer warrior women to fall to Chaos.

Amusingly in the same book that gave us the beastwomen lore we also get a female Chaos Champion who's the main antagonist of one of the short stories. She was such a capable warrior that she managed to take over a beastmen warherd and acted as their leader through right of strength. She actually matched Gotrek in single combat for a while.


Skaven: Sadly it is just the broodmothers. Skaven are dicks and their society is set up in a way that any female born will get identified and made into one. Skaven in general have a hard time comprehending females being good for anything but breeding. It is a deeply sexist society.

That said there IS old, obscure lore from the 1st edition RPG that had a female grey seer as an antagonist. This does raise the possibility as a general rule within skaven society is any skaven born with grey or white fur is taken to be trained as a grey seer regardless of what their normal status may have been. More recent lore has never touched on what happens when a female skaven is born with grey fur.

It is a stretch and relies on really, really old and forgotten lore that probably isn't canon anymore but hey, if you want to headcanon your grey seer is female I won't stop you.

There's also lore from one of the Thanquol novels in which there are female rat ogres. They are owned by an especially wealthy skaven and function both as his mates and his personal bodyguards. They look just like normal breeders, something that most skaven treat as basically furniture and never give a second glance, but in reality are capable of quick, powerful movement and will murder anything that moves to harm their master.


Ogres: There are definitely females. There are female ogre cheerleaders for Blood Bowl. Alas that is basically all we know about them. As far as I can tell GW just never cared to write lore for them or their place in society. Which is probably for the better given what happens when they do remember women exist but don't want to make a model for it. (beastwomen, broodmothers, ettc.).


Chaos Dwarfs: Well, probably. They are dwarfs and dwarfs have women. In traditional dwarf society females are rare. They only make up 10% of the population and so are fiercely defended and strongly encouraged not to leave the strongholds. That said if they were to break a vow or become sufficiently shamed there's no rule that prevents them from taking the Slayer's Oath and becoming a bare chested warrior lady.

I have no idea of that holds true for the Chaos dwarfs though. I know very little about their culture and how they differ from their non-chaotic kin.


Hope this helps!

Very good analysis, I would only like to point out, that in the case of the Chaos Dwarfs, should a woman commit a crime or do something samefull, she would most likely be sent to the Infernal Legion, the Chaos Dwarfs equivalent of the Slayer Cult.

AxiosXiphos#9040

LordTorquemado said:

Itharus said:

SaintCorn said:

Female beastmen exist.
https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Beastwomen
A source for them. It is in English sadly, but you may be able to find it in French or translate it.

Lizardmen are asexual so no.

Chaos Dwarfs, Ogres, and Chaos Warriors all have women, but they aren't depicted really.

Skaven just have the brood mothers, and there are no other Skaven that are female.

I view that source with extreme skepticism. A goodly number of authors came and wrote books in WH with a very flawed and incomplete understanding of WH lore because they were just hired hands instead of actual long term grognardy fans who know 100x better.

So we get crap like Beastwomen, and Goblins that get old and like to **** human women (despite being asexual creatures).

Shameful writing.

May technically be classified as canon just because it got published, but does anyone really accept it? It's like calling Episodes 7-9 actual canon. A terrible mistake. Every real fan knows better.

It is possible to **** a woman without ****. Indeed, worst **** are those without it. That’s why castrations aren’t necessarily the best option for them: they could make them even worse. Some with the inability to get erection tend to use objects to **** the woman, for example.

I can imagine a night goblins would use all sort of things to torture his prey for fun, and there are few things worse than being raped. In my opinion that was great and grimdark.

This conversation has gone far too quickly to a dark place and needs to be closed. This is a forum about a fantasy world designed for teens and parents to play with their children.

PraiseSigmaw

Jenibor said:

hello i would like to know are there female beastmans, lizardmans, chaos dwarfs, ogres, chaos warriors and skavens but i don't speak about broodmothers i speak like a normal skaven but female thank you in advance (sorry for the mistakes i speak french)

Beastwomen being docile doesn't make much sense given that they are the one ''always chaotic evil'' race in Warhammer that is played straight instead of being played for laughs like greenskins and skaven.

PraiseSigmaw

LordTorquemado said:

Itharus said:

SaintCorn said:

Female beastmen exist.
https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Beastwomen
A source for them. It is in English sadly, but you may be able to find it in French or translate it.

Lizardmen are asexual so no.

Chaos Dwarfs, Ogres, and Chaos Warriors all have women, but they aren't depicted really.

Skaven just have the brood mothers, and there are no other Skaven that are female.

I view that source with extreme skepticism. A goodly number of authors came and wrote books in WH with a very flawed and incomplete understanding of WH lore because they were just hired hands instead of actual long term grognardy fans who know 100x better.

So we get crap like Beastwomen, and Goblins that get old and like to **** human women (despite being asexual creatures).

Shameful writing.

May technically be classified as canon just because it got published, but does anyone really accept it? It's like calling Episodes 7-9 actual canon. A terrible mistake. Every real fan knows better.

It is possible to **** a woman without ****. Indeed, worst **** are those without it. That’s why castrations aren’t necessarily the best option for them: they could make them even worse. Some with the inability to get erection tend to use objects to **** the woman, for example.

I can imagine a night goblins would use all sort of things to torture his prey for fun, and there are few things worse than being raped. In my opinion that was great and grimdark.

Bereaver said:

There is an actual female dwarf engineet playable in Action-RPG Warhammer Fantasy: Chaosbane.

I suppose that her inclusion is approved by Games Workshop and they are warming up to the idea of having female Dwarfs on the battlefield.

I would love to see a female Dwarf character or unit in Total War honestly. May be it will happen eventually, who knows?

Too bad Chaosbane is a mediocre Diablo wannabe.