What do the wise consider the possibility of a distinct Hobgoblin Khanate faction given there will likely be hobgoblin units in the Chaos Dwarf roster, the amount of space in the Steppes, and the need for more enemies for Grand Cathay beyond daemons. Have there been any CA comments about such?
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They are one of the possibilities for the preorder race-pack.
Other possibilities includes factions like Nagash, the Dogs of War, and the aforementioned Hobgoblins being the, seemingly, most popular contenders for being the pre-order on the forums.
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3 · 2Disagree 3AgreeThey would make a lot of sense as a Race Pack but if they aren't the pre-order who knows if we will ever get Race Packs again. If the first Campaign Pack is Chaos Dwarfs i see a possibility of them being the pre-order where they finish all the hobgoblin stuff first and then do less work for the campaign pack. If not hopefully we get a couple Race Packs down the road.
Honestly I really wish CA had done some Race Packs in Game 2 instead of just Campaign and Lord Packs. Hell I honestly think the Coast could have been a 2 LL Race Pack followed by a 2 LL Sartosa Race Pack and I LOVE the Coast. Not to mention the other minor races that could fit in game 2 like Albion and Amazons.
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2 · 1Disagree 2AgreeI'm hoping for the first choice so I don't have to wait for a modder to make them unique and playable. XD
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3 · Disagree 3AgreeI mean we can more or less assume that Chaos Dwarfs and Ogre Kingdoms are going to be our two Campaign Packs, both Game 1 and 2 only had two Campaign packs. So while its possible we could see more, how many more can we reasonably hope for?
We know we have one unknown pre-order Race Pack for game 3 this is the Hobgoblin Khaganates best chance of getting in, but it's competing with Dogs of War and probably not favored to win.
There is a big.... IF in all of this though. With no TWWH 4 to cap off game 3 there is the possibility they keep DLC teams going for a long time filling out the rest of the Warhammer World and Total War Map. If that happens, they would be one of the top contenders for addition. They'd be easy to add, just take the Hobgoblin Auxiliaries for the Chaos Dwarfs as the low tier "chaff" options and then add to them Elite tier troops to replace the Chaos Dwarfs. It's easy to imagine that they'd have Elite Barded Wolf Riders in Melee and Archer versions, maybe a fantasy version of the Squiggoth, a few unique siege options, and hey maybe even a few other mounted options like Rinox or something.
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0 · Disagree AgreeWe haven’t been told much about the preorder yet. However, we know the expect a race pack.
When determining (or guessing) possibilities for a Race pack as a preorder, I have a few criteria:
1) A race that can mainly be built with current assets accessible to CA.
2) it could be priced at 8-10 USD because it doesn’t have to be built from scratch.
3) it’s enough to fill out a complete roster while keeping the price pt as other preorders because... you guessed it.. it shares assets currently available to CA
Yea, maybe I really only have one criterion for guessing.
Hobgoblin Karnate is a possibility. IMO so are Dogs of War, neferata, nagash (are the last two the same?), and heck, too many to list.
I think the hobgoblins would be an exciting choice and fun to play as long as CA did them right. I would want them to look very different (as they should) from GS gobos. There are many possibilities for the race pack; this is why I hope CA makes more race packs.
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0 · Disagree AgreeNeferata is a vampire, and she belongs to a vampire counts subfaction as she is just a type of vampire.
Nagash is the supreme lord of all undead, and there could technically be overlap between the two where Neferata could be placed in a Nagash faction.
However, that wouldn't be my preference anyway, and I know that several other users would really dislike Neferata to be part of a Nagash faction.
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2 · 1Disagree 2AgreeOther pre-order candidates (from best to worse)
-Sea Elves
-dogs of war
-nagash(let's be honest, he would fit better as VC LL/LH)
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0 · 16Disagree AgreeIf they just wanna move onto WH: AoS though, then we're probably screwed.
Theoretically... they'd make a perfect preorder race, if Chaos Dwarfs are already under development, simply because they will already have some work done for them due to the auxiliaries the CD have. They could also get away with only 2 LL with no complaints from anyone. It'd also give them a good last chance to get a handle on making Horde factions good (something they may well be doing right now with Beastmen revamp anyway). Not only would it introduce traditional steppe-nomad horde play, it'd also introduce the only true steppe-nomad horse archer play style into the game world (discounting the ones the elves have, which they do not focus on). Hobgoblins are also known to use some Cathayan technology (black powder stuff) so assets could be reused with a simple skinjob. And lastly? They are fundamentally critical to the lore of the ENTIRE REGION over there. They are the primary and original (non Chaos) antagonists of basically the entire "Not-Asia" region. They even have lore blurbs of fighting with Araby, if they wanted to use them as a segue into that, too.
They're low hanging fruit that would bring a lot of joy, style, and variety into the game. Missing out on that would be insane. Granted... they did skip Araby, and Araby was presented on a silver platter with an existing army list, models, and everything, so who knows...
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4 · 4Disagree 4AgreeI just could see CA adding Neferata into Nagash to make it more enticing even if they really wouldn't have to.
Definitely a stretch of a possibility, but it theoretically could happen.
So, I don't want to discard it as a bad outcome just yet.
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1 · Disagree 1AgreeYou also can’t have Fantasy China without Fantasy Mongolia. They just make to much sense.
They would also offer a completely new play style as the first true Steppe Nomad Race.
I personally think they have a decent chance to be the preorder (or Nagash).
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4 · 1Disagree 4AgreeThe only real way this becomes a thing is if GWs plans for their new IP are HUGE.
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1 · 7Disagree 1AgreeAnd considering that Cathay and Monos are basically invented from nothing, that isn’t a valid argument anymore in the first place.
But yeah, you are wrong. Hobgoblins actually have more stuff than Norsca.
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0 · Disagree AgreePotential Characters:
- Hobgobla Khan
- Gorduz Backstabber
- Ghazak Khan
- Oglah Khan
Lord:
- Khan
- Elder Shaman
Heroes:
- Hobgoblin Big Boss
- Hobgoblin Shaman
- Wolf Handler
- Assassin
Melee Infantry:
- Cutthroats (3 Variants)
- Murder Bosses
- Hobyars (2 Variants)
- Sneaky Gits
- Mourngul Renegades (2 variants)
Missile Infantry:
- Hobgoblin Archers
- Mourngul Renegades (Bows)
- Hobyars (Bows)
- Hobgoblin Firearms weapon team
Melee Cavalry:
- Hobgoblin Wolf Raiders (2 variants)
- Hobgoblin Wolf Bosses (2 Variants)
- Mounted Hobyars (2 variants)
- Wolf Boyz
Missile Cavalry:
- Hobgoblin Wolf Archers
- Hobgoblin Wolf Archer Bosses
- Mounted Hobyars (Bows)
Monstrous Cavalry:
- Giant Scorpion Riders
- Temple Dog Riders
Wolves & Hounds:
- Temple Dogs
- Hobhounds
- Giant Wolves
Chariots:
- Hobgoblin Wolf Chariots
- Bolt Thrower Wolf Chariot
- Hobgoblin War Wagon (bows)
- Hobgoblin War Wagon (firearms)
Monsters:
- Dreadmaw
- Wind Daemon
- „Steppe“ Giant (reskin like Norscan Giant)
- „Steppe“ Trolls
Artillery:
- Hobgoblin Bolt Thrower
- Hobgoblin Rocket Crew
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5 · 3Disagree 5AgreeWhy spend resources on such an insignificant race though?
They are likely to appear only because they would be easy to do, basically a reskin of greenskins, don't forget it. Basically norsca v. 2. On their own, they aren't very interesting.
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1 · 7Disagree 1AgreeNorsca? Naaaahh
VCoast? Urgh....
Cathay? Lol....
Kislev? Just Empire 1.5....
They are interesting because they are Fantasy Mongols and TWWH is currently missing a Steppe nomad race. They are the largest Empire in the WH World and would offer a completely unique playstyle.
They are easy to do and pretty much in the same boat as Norsca. They would significantly enrich the campaign map since they are a major enemy of almost every WH3 Race. Cathay built the Great Bastion because of Hobgoblins...
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2 · Disagree 2AgreeIf Nagash comes with his own race (because he’s coming either way) then he should have characters strictly associated with him, not steal LLs from other races. That limits it to Dieter Helsnicht, The Nameless and Dark Omen characters (although I am not a fan of them, not even in the slightest).
Necrarchs serving Nagash would be a travesty too, given that Zacharias chose (true) death instead of serving him.
Arkhan fits Nagash 1000% more than any Vampire, both personality-wise (as Nagash only accepts shills as his servants), aesthetically and militarily. And even he cannot just be stolen from TKs where he belongs, even more than in Nagash’s Legion or whatever name CA concocts for his race.
The ideal role for Neferata would be Lahmian-oriented scheming subfaction of VC with access to some TK units (skeletons and especially Lahmian Guard). She would be a counterpart of Arkhan’s hybrid TK-VC faction.
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6 · Disagree 6AgreeTWWH already has issues with adding more races and maintaining asymmetry at the same time - all this without tons of hypothetical human races coming with game 3.
Hobgoblins are a panacea for this - so far we have nothing even remotely close to cavalry-based nomad horse archer faction.
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5 · Disagree 5AgreeI'd much rather see the nations of Ind and Nippon, and the Southern Realms, make it in before them.
Not to mention all the other races that need a rework more.
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