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  • ShiroAmakusa75ShiroAmakusa75 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 32,542
    maccabbee said:

    Take it with a sack of salt. Does that look like a fantasy russian to you? Even if it is official, the RPG has lots of things that are commonly not presented in other WH media such as brown skinned imperials from either Araby or Tilea, dwarfs and sometimes elfs in the imperial army, and so on. The purpose of the RPG is giving a lot of options for roleplay after all.
    But in the wargame setting of the main tabletop and by extension TWWH, things are going to be a lot more consistent.

    A fantasy Russian could have checkered red and purple skin for all I care. That's why it's fantasy, you see.



  • aMint1aMint1 Registered Users Posts: 954

    aMint1 said:

    aMint1 said:

    The artwork is really cool. Hopefully it becomes official.

    It also has the lovely benefit of outting all the real 'Gamers™'.

    Well it will be great, if they add her as named character, but would be weird if half of ice witches will look like that.
    I'd be happy either way. Looks very ice-witchy. Works as a named character or generic hero. Though I guess CA's generic heroes don't always get the most amazing in game models - which would be a real shame in this instance.
    The only thing I dont like, its braid. Its not slavic style, its more generic, like she some kind of viking. One long one would be better, imho.
    Maybe it's ice-witch style rather than Kislev style.
  • MurmurlockMurmurlock Registered Users Posts: 653
    aMint1 said:

    aMint1 said:

    aMint1 said:

    The artwork is really cool. Hopefully it becomes official.

    It also has the lovely benefit of outting all the real 'Gamers™'.

    Well it will be great, if they add her as named character, but would be weird if half of ice witches will look like that.
    I'd be happy either way. Looks very ice-witchy. Works as a named character or generic hero. Though I guess CA's generic heroes don't always get the most amazing in game models - which would be a real shame in this instance.
    The only thing I dont like, its braid. Its not slavic style, its more generic, like she some kind of viking. One long one would be better, imho.
    Maybe it's ice-witch style rather than Kislev style.
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  • ShiroAmakusa75ShiroAmakusa75 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 32,542
    I mean, we have fantasy-Aztecs which are outright lizard people, we have fantasy Babylonians which are tusked dwarfs and we have fantasy London East-enders which are green-skinned fungus men. I can live with a witch working for fantasy Russia that isn't a bleached albino.

  • AxiosXiphosAxiosXiphos Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 5,093

    aMint1 said:

    aMint1 said:

    The artwork is really cool. Hopefully it becomes official.

    It also has the lovely benefit of outting all the real 'Gamers™'.

    Well it will be great, if they add her as named character, but would be weird if half of ice witches will look like that.
    I'd be happy either way. Looks very ice-witchy. Works as a named character or generic hero. Though I guess CA's generic heroes don't always get the most amazing in game models - which would be a real shame in this instance.
    The only thing I dont like, its braid. Its not slavic style, its more generic, like she some kind of viking. One long one would be better, imho.
    It's probably along the lines of traditional Bulgarian Braids



    https://www.google.com/search?q=bulgarian++braids&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwit--ekip7wAhVW44UKHWFTCRUQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=bulgarian++braids&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQA1DGRljGRmDdSmgAcAB4AIABNYgBNZIBATGYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=LdWHYO2wMNbGlwThpqWoAQ&bih=937&biw=1920&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB896GB896

    Kislev is a mish-mash of a lot of cultures - including Eastern European.
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  • MurmurlockMurmurlock Registered Users Posts: 653

    I mean, we have fantasy-Aztecs which are outright lizard people, we have fantasy Babylonians which are tusked dwarfs and we have fantasy London East-enders which are green-skinned fungus men. I can live with a witch working for fantasy Russia that isn't a bleached albino.

    In russia we not bleached at all.

    aMint1 said:

    aMint1 said:

    The artwork is really cool. Hopefully it becomes official.

    It also has the lovely benefit of outting all the real 'Gamers™'.

    Well it will be great, if they add her as named character, but would be weird if half of ice witches will look like that.
    I'd be happy either way. Looks very ice-witchy. Works as a named character or generic hero. Though I guess CA's generic heroes don't always get the most amazing in game models - which would be a real shame in this instance.
    The only thing I dont like, its braid. Its not slavic style, its more generic, like she some kind of viking. One long one would be better, imho.
    It's probably along the lines of traditional Bulgarian Braids



    https://www.google.com/search?q=bulgarian++braids&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwit--ekip7wAhVW44UKHWFTCRUQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=bulgarian++braids&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQA1DGRljGRmDdSmgAcAB4AIABNYgBNZIBATGYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=LdWHYO2wMNbGlwThpqWoAQ&bih=937&biw=1920&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB896GB896

    Kislev is a mish-mash of a lot of cultures - including Eastern European.
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  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Registered Users Posts: 3,215

    aMint1 said:

    aMint1 said:

    The artwork is really cool. Hopefully it becomes official.

    It also has the lovely benefit of outting all the real 'Gamers™'.

    Well it will be great, if they add her as named character, but would be weird if half of ice witches will look like that.
    I'd be happy either way. Looks very ice-witchy. Works as a named character or generic hero. Though I guess CA's generic heroes don't always get the most amazing in game models - which would be a real shame in this instance.
    The only thing I dont like, its braid. Its not slavic style, its more generic, like she some kind of viking. One long one would be better, imho.
    It's probably along the lines of traditional Bulgarian Braids



    https://www.google.com/search?q=bulgarian++braids&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwit--ekip7wAhVW44UKHWFTCRUQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=bulgarian++braids&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQA1DGRljGRmDdSmgAcAB4AIABNYgBNZIBATGYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=LdWHYO2wMNbGlwThpqWoAQ&bih=937&biw=1920&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB896GB896

    Kislev is a mish-mash of a lot of cultures - including Eastern European.
    We are pretty slavic

    She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.

    The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
  • ROMOBOYROMOBOY Registered Users Posts: 4,086
    The purple lipstick is kind of weird in my humble opinion. And I can see where both sides are coming from when it comes to the skin color.

    The middle ground would be something like she’s a unique model, and not the generic witch model.
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  • Thedeathby2Thedeathby2 Registered Users Posts: 6
    Leave it to the Gamers(TM) to get **** that a fantasy country has non-white people in it. As Romoboy said, she's probably just a single unique model considering that most of Kislev (at least what we've seen from the trailer) is white.
  • MaedrethnirMaedrethnir Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 12,041
    Thankfully, the art appears to be a commission made for a private collector.
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  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 27,618

    The thing is this is a commission, so it has to be viewed in that context.

    This is not -as far as we know- an official artwork for anything. Companies like CA do not commission pieces then allow the art to be posted until after they have shown it themselves. It's literally a piece of art someone paid their hard earned money for. That fact alone renders this entire debate essentially meaningless. People are arguing over something that for all intents and purposes has no connection to the game.

    All criticism of it is effectively moot unless you're the person who paid for it.

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  • NeodeinosNeodeinos Registered Users Posts: 11,240
    ROMOBOY said:

    The purple lipstick is kind of weird in my humble opinion. And I can see where both sides are coming from when it comes to the skin color.

    The middle ground would be something like she’s a unique model, and not the generic witch model.

    Ice blue or even white lipstick would probably look cooler and all I'm going to say about the skin colour is that it doesn't strike me as a Kislevite.

  • MurmurlockMurmurlock Registered Users Posts: 653
    edited April 27
    Neodeinos said:

    ROMOBOY said:

    The purple lipstick is kind of weird in my humble opinion. And I can see where both sides are coming from when it comes to the skin color.

    The middle ground would be something like she’s a unique model, and not the generic witch model.

    Ice blue or even white lipstick would probably look cooler and all I'm going to say about the skin colour is that it doesn't strike me as a Kislevite.
    Maybe she's exchange student.
    From Kislev with Poorgrammar. :)
  • WyvaxWyvax Registered Users Posts: 4,818
    Neodeinos said:

    ROMOBOY said:

    The purple lipstick is kind of weird in my humble opinion. And I can see where both sides are coming from when it comes to the skin color.

    The middle ground would be something like she’s a unique model, and not the generic witch model.

    Ice blue or even white lipstick would probably look cooler and all I'm going to say about the skin colour is that it doesn't strike me as a Kislevite.
    Legit though, if that makeup was just less garish or completely absent, the Ice Witch art would just look like Daenerys with a skiers tan. It's the one thing that's throwing people off the most.
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  • SakuraHeinzSakuraHeinz Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 3,232
    You get this skintone if you live in areas were snow lays forever you get tanned from the reflecting sun.

    You could say "why arent Nordic people with brown skintone?" because in skandinavia its very dark all year long and you need the white skin for getting Vitamin D from the sunlight.

    some people gave the water bender tribes from avatar as example which is absolutetly fitting.

    The kurgans who live in the chaos wastes are also dark skinned because they live in the polar regions with constant snow.
  • NeodeinosNeodeinos Registered Users Posts: 11,240
    Wyvax said:

    Neodeinos said:

    ROMOBOY said:

    The purple lipstick is kind of weird in my humble opinion. And I can see where both sides are coming from when it comes to the skin color.

    The middle ground would be something like she’s a unique model, and not the generic witch model.

    Ice blue or even white lipstick would probably look cooler and all I'm going to say about the skin colour is that it doesn't strike me as a Kislevite.
    Legit though, if that makeup was just less garish or completely absent, the Ice Witch art would just look like Daenerys with a skiers tan. It's the one thing that's throwing people off the most.
    I also always imagined the Ice Witches with a really pale skin because y'know pale skin would makes you think of the coldness of the ice.

  • AmonkhetAmonkhet Registered Users Posts: 6,870

    Leave it to the Gamers(TM) to get **** that a fantasy country has non-white people in it. As Romoboy said, she's probably just a single unique model considering that most of Kislev (at least what we've seen from the trailer) is white.

    Unsurprising really.
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  • maccabbeemaccabbee Registered Users Posts: 1,107
    edited April 27
    Katarin herself is an ice witch lest you people forget. Also the female archer I posted on the first thread is an ungol nomad archer and she looks nothing like that sub-saharan african we have here.

    Also, the Kurgans are based on Conan the Barbarian stereotypes, not just "people with a tan". The Hung/Mung are also based on eurasians like the kipchaks and avars, and maybe even the xiongnu in asia. None of them would also look like this person.
  • maccabbeemaccabbee Registered Users Posts: 1,107
    edited April 27

    maccabbee said:

    Take it with a sack of salt. Does that look like a fantasy russian to you? Even if it is official, the RPG has lots of things that are commonly not presented in other WH media such as brown skinned imperials from either Araby or Tilea, dwarfs and sometimes elfs in the imperial army, and so on. The purpose of the RPG is giving a lot of options for roleplay after all.
    But in the wargame setting of the main tabletop and by extension TWWH, things are going to be a lot more consistent.

    A fantasy Russian could have checkered red and purple skin for all I care. That's why it's fantasy, you see.


    A fantasy russian is a russian stereotype blown into exagerration, which is the entirety of WH Fantasy, which is why Kislev has babushka hags, bear cavalry, miserable people dying in the cold, funny hats, funny cossack hair styles, ice queens, bardiche axes, etc.
    Only thing missing are units doing that funny squat dance when idling.

    Oh and vodka. Lots and lots of vodka. Maybe some references to borscht too.
  • FungusHoundFungusHound Registered Users Posts: 5,940
    Oh good we have the racism thread back, filled with people who are unaware about ethnic groups and race. I mean seriously you have **** like:
    maccabbee said:

    nothing like that sub-saharan african we have here.

    Congratulations you don't know what people from Africa look like.

    @dge1 @BillyRuffian @Canuovea please just burn this thread to the ground.
  • maccabbeemaccabbee Registered Users Posts: 1,107

    Oh good we have the racism thread back, filled with people who are unaware about ethnic groups and race. I mean seriously you have **** like:

    maccabbee said:

    nothing like that sub-saharan african we have here.

    Congratulations you don't know what people from Africa look like.

    @dge1 @BillyRuffian @Canuovea please just burn this thread to the ground.
    Good, because this thread and that pic which is obviously a commission for some guy's RP group for the WHF tabletop RPG has absolutely nothing to do with Total War Warhammer 3™ being developed by CA and produced by SEGA, and a complete waste of everyone's time.
  • MaelasMaelas Registered Users Posts: 3,746
    2 threads and 8 pages and some people still cannot accept that most of the people living in the northnern parts of the World are tanned. It's a basic consequence of snow reflecting sunlight.
    Just look at Saamis or Nenets peoples, they have the exact same skin tone as the artwork, and they all live in western Russia. Kislev also have fantasy-mongol and fantasy-siberian ancestry, and they are also tanned, look at Buryat peoples for exemple. Russians too.

    Honestly, if you wanna complain about strange skin tone, the real problem is how pinky pale chaos warriors are ! Given the chaos wastes climate, Kurgan, Hungs and most basic tribes that makes marauders should be copper-skinned in game.
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  • maccabbeemaccabbee Registered Users Posts: 1,107
    Maelas said:


    Honestly, if you wanna complain about strange skin tone, the real problem is how pinky pale chaos warriors are ! Given the chaos wastes climate, Kurgan, Hungs and most basic tribes that makes marauders should be copper-skinned in game.

    That's because chaos warriors right now are sharing models with norscans. Wait, if ever, CA adds Kurgans, Hung or Mung but I really doubt that will ever happen since we still have Chorfs, Ogres, and Nagash on the waiting list.
  • ShiroAmakusa75ShiroAmakusa75 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 32,542
    maccabbee said:

    maccabbee said:

    Take it with a sack of salt. Does that look like a fantasy russian to you? Even if it is official, the RPG has lots of things that are commonly not presented in other WH media such as brown skinned imperials from either Araby or Tilea, dwarfs and sometimes elfs in the imperial army, and so on. The purpose of the RPG is giving a lot of options for roleplay after all.
    But in the wargame setting of the main tabletop and by extension TWWH, things are going to be a lot more consistent.

    A fantasy Russian could have checkered red and purple skin for all I care. That's why it's fantasy, you see.


    A fantasy russian is a russian stereotype blown into exagerration, which is the entirety of WH Fantasy, which is why Kislev has babushka hags, bear cavalry, miserable people dying in the cold, funny hats, funny cossack hair styles, ice queens, bardiche axes, etc.
    Only thing missing are units doing that funny squat dance when idling.

    Oh and vodka. Lots and lots of vodka. Maybe some references to borscht too.
    But you are OK with lizard Atzecs, huh?

  • maccabbeemaccabbee Registered Users Posts: 1,107
    edited April 27


    maccabbee said:

    maccabbee said:

    Take it with a sack of salt. Does that look like a fantasy russian to you? Even if it is official, the RPG has lots of things that are commonly not presented in other WH media such as brown skinned imperials from either Araby or Tilea, dwarfs and sometimes elfs in the imperial army, and so on. The purpose of the RPG is giving a lot of options for roleplay after all.
    But in the wargame setting of the main tabletop and by extension TWWH, things are going to be a lot more consistent.

    A fantasy Russian could have checkered red and purple skin for all I care. That's why it's fantasy, you see.


    A fantasy russian is a russian stereotype blown into exagerration, which is the entirety of WH Fantasy, which is why Kislev has babushka hags, bear cavalry, miserable people dying in the cold, funny hats, funny cossack hair styles, ice queens, bardiche axes, etc.
    Only thing missing are units doing that funny squat dance when idling.

    Oh and vodka. Lots and lots of vodka. Maybe some references to borscht too.
    But you are OK with lizard Atzecs, huh?
    Yes because a lot of dinosaur fossils were found in mesoamerica and not to mention that skinks also speak in hilarious, almost disgustingly racist, spanish accents and would probably be bad for most sensitive people if skinks weren't so utterly silly looking. See, racial stereotypes work if you go full ham and embrace it just like how Bretonnian knights are all snobby pompous frenchmen and Greenskins are British football hooligans. However, dark skinned russians? I don't care if that's meant to be realistic, but kislev is meant to be a parody of slavic peoples, which is why this person is so out of place.
  • ShiroAmakusa75ShiroAmakusa75 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 32,542
    maccabbee said:


    maccabbee said:

    maccabbee said:

    Take it with a sack of salt. Does that look like a fantasy russian to you? Even if it is official, the RPG has lots of things that are commonly not presented in other WH media such as brown skinned imperials from either Araby or Tilea, dwarfs and sometimes elfs in the imperial army, and so on. The purpose of the RPG is giving a lot of options for roleplay after all.
    But in the wargame setting of the main tabletop and by extension TWWH, things are going to be a lot more consistent.

    A fantasy Russian could have checkered red and purple skin for all I care. That's why it's fantasy, you see.


    A fantasy russian is a russian stereotype blown into exagerration, which is the entirety of WH Fantasy, which is why Kislev has babushka hags, bear cavalry, miserable people dying in the cold, funny hats, funny cossack hair styles, ice queens, bardiche axes, etc.
    Only thing missing are units doing that funny squat dance when idling.

    Oh and vodka. Lots and lots of vodka. Maybe some references to borscht too.
    But you are OK with lizard Atzecs, huh?
    Yes because a lot of dinosaur fossils were found in mesoamerica and not to mention that skinks also speak in hilarious, almost disgustingly racist, spanish accents and would probably be bad for most sensitive people if skinks weren't so utterly silly looking.
    If you hear Spanish accents out of the Skinks that says more about you than their design.

    Also, if you can excuse lizard aztecs you have no leg to stand on complaining about tan Kislevites.

  • maccabbeemaccabbee Registered Users Posts: 1,107
    edited April 27

    maccabbee said:


    maccabbee said:

    maccabbee said:

    Take it with a sack of salt. Does that look like a fantasy russian to you? Even if it is official, the RPG has lots of things that are commonly not presented in other WH media such as brown skinned imperials from either Araby or Tilea, dwarfs and sometimes elfs in the imperial army, and so on. The purpose of the RPG is giving a lot of options for roleplay after all.
    But in the wargame setting of the main tabletop and by extension TWWH, things are going to be a lot more consistent.

    A fantasy Russian could have checkered red and purple skin for all I care. That's why it's fantasy, you see.


    A fantasy russian is a russian stereotype blown into exagerration, which is the entirety of WH Fantasy, which is why Kislev has babushka hags, bear cavalry, miserable people dying in the cold, funny hats, funny cossack hair styles, ice queens, bardiche axes, etc.
    Only thing missing are units doing that funny squat dance when idling.

    Oh and vodka. Lots and lots of vodka. Maybe some references to borscht too.
    But you are OK with lizard Atzecs, huh?
    Yes because a lot of dinosaur fossils were found in mesoamerica and not to mention that skinks also speak in hilarious, almost disgustingly racist, spanish accents and would probably be bad for most sensitive people if skinks weren't so utterly silly looking.
    If you hear Spanish accents out of the Skinks that says more about you than their design.

    Also, if you can excuse lizard aztecs you have no leg to stand on complaining about tan Kislevites.
    Skinks literally say HOLA SKINKS.

    Also, read my last paragraph. It's all about consistency in the setting.

  • ROMOBOYROMOBOY Registered Users Posts: 4,086
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