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Something about the Chaos Wastes that you MAY not know

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  • TheGuardianOfMetalTheGuardianOfMetal Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 14,701
    Bayes said:

    So we are either getting total war warhammer age of reckoning or total war warhammer age of sigmar? What a bummer ...

    Seriously though it is good to see the discussion ramp up before the NEWS comes.

    We have this discussion every couple of weeks. Often with the "We need the AoS stuff!!!" faction constantly strawmanning, like "you only want the mono gods to be just the same, but with a red colour for Khorne!"
    The Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!

    Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!

    Every wrong is recorded. Every slight against us, page after page, ETCHED IN BLOOD!

    Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
    'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
  • Bayes#3307Bayes#3307 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 5,015

    ArneSo said:

    ArneSo said:

    ArneSo said:

    ArneSo said:

    Maelas said:

    Maelas said:



    Still, it doesn't matter, Fantasy Tzeentch doesn't look like that, and it shouldn't look like that, as much as they shouldn't look like Chaos Space Marines. Those are all different IPs. I truly hope GW didn't sacrifice lore and aesthetic for cheap promotion.

    I'm so glad you're a complete no one, with absolute zero connection with neither GW and CA! 🤣

    I mean, CA already agree with me. Reminder in case you forgot :

    A statement so definitive that some people would rather accusing CA of lying than accepting it !
    HAHAHAHAHA You still believe that statement?
    So far... I'd say that a CGI trailer isn't really counterproof. Why? Because otherwise, if we apply the same logic, we have standard bearers in the game because they are in teh CGI trailer for Game 1.

    And none of you brought any actual evidence aside of the CGI trailer using the updated models for all greater Daemons.
    Factual wrong. The GDs in the trailer are clearly AoS so the „No AoS stuff“ statement is already proofed to be false and misleading.

    The question is how much AoS models will we get?
    Factually false on your part. They are plainly the updated, new, Greater Daemon Models. Which replace the around two decades old old Greater Daemon minis. And the Bloodthirster btw. is End Times.

    If the CGI trailer was sole evidence, we'd have standard bearers and Orc Boar Boys with flails, because they were in the Game 1 CGI Trailer.

    ALSO, the CGI Trailer wasn't made in-house by CA. While CA and GW most likely have a final say in it, it's possible that the Studio that made the trailer had some slightly different design decisions.
    HAHAHAHAHAHAH

    Wow... the denial is strong here...

    Updated or not doesn’t matter. AoS stuff is still AoS stuff.

    Who says Khorne Warriors won’t get their updated model from AoS huh?

    The denial is just ridiculous at this point.
    just proving that you have no actual counterargument. Your whole point hinges on the CGI Trailer.

    Again: TW WH1 trailer:


    Now please, show me where those banners are. where the flails on the Orc Boar Boys are.

    Your whole point hinges on 1) The Updated Daemon Models, which clearly are shared between the universes and not AoS exclusive in 2) a CGI Trailer made by a different company

    "Denial" in your book is "Taking the Appearance of updated model in context to what the model actually represents and is, it not being exclusive to one setting, while not taking a CGI Trailer as undoubtable proof".

    Basically: "IT'S DENIAL BECAUSE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME!!!!!"
    Hahaha wow. It’s getting better and better. 😂😂

    Not comparable at all. The unit design is still identical. Banners are just banners.

    So yeah try again.
    The one in denial is you. Because the only thing you want is reinforcing your believe.

    We have no banners, we have no orc boys with flails. Yet they are in the trailer. Banners are just banners... and one of the most commonly demanded details/Flavour things that should be added for many.

    You're again not raising any actual counterpoints just "hahaha no. Can't be because that doesn't fit my opinion!"

    Again:
    1) THe CGI trailer wasn't in house but by a different company, who, despite likely being in contact with CA and GW, might have taken a few different design decisions.
    2) A CGI Trailer usually is not really something players should count on for in-game stuff. Wait for in-engine stuff.
    3) These models, again, are updated models of the very same entities that are in Warhammer Fantasy. Not Some AoS Specific followers of the Same god.
    Aren't you being a little obtuse here?

    Ca knows damn well what they are doing, the AoS greater daemon models have a very distinct look, especially the slaanesh one, the likelyhood of that only being for the trailer is incredibly small, they know what kind of message it sends.
  • Lunaticprince#9972Lunaticprince#9972 Registered Users Posts: 6,837
    Bayes said:

    So we are either getting total war warhammer age of reckoning or total war warhammer age of sigmar? What a bummer ...

    Seriously though it is good to see the discussion ramp up before the NEWS comes.

    God hope next week is news time...

    to answer some of the question.


  • TheGuardianOfMetalTheGuardianOfMetal Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 14,701
    Bayes said:

    ArneSo said:

    ArneSo said:

    ArneSo said:

    ArneSo said:

    Maelas said:

    Maelas said:



    Still, it doesn't matter, Fantasy Tzeentch doesn't look like that, and it shouldn't look like that, as much as they shouldn't look like Chaos Space Marines. Those are all different IPs. I truly hope GW didn't sacrifice lore and aesthetic for cheap promotion.

    I'm so glad you're a complete no one, with absolute zero connection with neither GW and CA! 🤣

    I mean, CA already agree with me. Reminder in case you forgot :

    A statement so definitive that some people would rather accusing CA of lying than accepting it !
    HAHAHAHAHA You still believe that statement?
    So far... I'd say that a CGI trailer isn't really counterproof. Why? Because otherwise, if we apply the same logic, we have standard bearers in the game because they are in teh CGI trailer for Game 1.

    And none of you brought any actual evidence aside of the CGI trailer using the updated models for all greater Daemons.
    Factual wrong. The GDs in the trailer are clearly AoS so the „No AoS stuff“ statement is already proofed to be false and misleading.

    The question is how much AoS models will we get?
    Factually false on your part. They are plainly the updated, new, Greater Daemon Models. Which replace the around two decades old old Greater Daemon minis. And the Bloodthirster btw. is End Times.

    If the CGI trailer was sole evidence, we'd have standard bearers and Orc Boar Boys with flails, because they were in the Game 1 CGI Trailer.

    ALSO, the CGI Trailer wasn't made in-house by CA. While CA and GW most likely have a final say in it, it's possible that the Studio that made the trailer had some slightly different design decisions.
    HAHAHAHAHAHAH

    Wow... the denial is strong here...

    Updated or not doesn’t matter. AoS stuff is still AoS stuff.

    Who says Khorne Warriors won’t get their updated model from AoS huh?

    The denial is just ridiculous at this point.
    just proving that you have no actual counterargument. Your whole point hinges on the CGI Trailer.

    Again: TW WH1 trailer:


    Now please, show me where those banners are. where the flails on the Orc Boar Boys are.

    Your whole point hinges on 1) The Updated Daemon Models, which clearly are shared between the universes and not AoS exclusive in 2) a CGI Trailer made by a different company

    "Denial" in your book is "Taking the Appearance of updated model in context to what the model actually represents and is, it not being exclusive to one setting, while not taking a CGI Trailer as undoubtable proof".

    Basically: "IT'S DENIAL BECAUSE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME!!!!!"
    Hahaha wow. It’s getting better and better. 😂😂

    Not comparable at all. The unit design is still identical. Banners are just banners.

    So yeah try again.
    The one in denial is you. Because the only thing you want is reinforcing your believe.

    We have no banners, we have no orc boys with flails. Yet they are in the trailer. Banners are just banners... and one of the most commonly demanded details/Flavour things that should be added for many.

    You're again not raising any actual counterpoints just "hahaha no. Can't be because that doesn't fit my opinion!"

    Again:
    1) THe CGI trailer wasn't in house but by a different company, who, despite likely being in contact with CA and GW, might have taken a few different design decisions.
    2) A CGI Trailer usually is not really something players should count on for in-game stuff. Wait for in-engine stuff.
    3) These models, again, are updated models of the very same entities that are in Warhammer Fantasy. Not Some AoS Specific followers of the Same god.
    Aren't you being a little obtuse here?

    Ca knows damn well what they are doing, the AoS greater daemon models have a very distinct look, especially the slaanesh one, the likelyhood of that only being for the trailer is incredibly small, they know what kind of message it sends.
    They are not "The AoS Greater Daemon models". their packages say: Warhammer 40,000 - Age of Sigmar.

    They are just the new Greater Daemon models.

    And about knowing what message they send: Remember the High Elves in the TW WH II trailer with the classic white shields with red gems? And how they look in TW WH2, which lead to a lot of **** HE fans?
    The Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!

    Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!

    Every wrong is recorded. Every slight against us, page after page, ETCHED IN BLOOD!

    Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
    'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
  • RamsesIII#4621RamsesIII#4621 Registered Users Posts: 1,176
    I agree that modernized greater daemons doesn't necessarily mean everything Will get the newest design. That being said you can be pretty certain CA wouldn't put the newest greater daemon designs in the trailer for the third game and not put said designs in the game, regardless of whether they outsourced the trailer they'd still have a big say in what is displayed there. I don't think showing a completely different design is comparable to banners or some weapons not being in the game.
  • Bayes#3307Bayes#3307 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 5,015

    Bayes said:

    ArneSo said:

    ArneSo said:

    ArneSo said:

    ArneSo said:

    Maelas said:

    Maelas said:



    Still, it doesn't matter, Fantasy Tzeentch doesn't look like that, and it shouldn't look like that, as much as they shouldn't look like Chaos Space Marines. Those are all different IPs. I truly hope GW didn't sacrifice lore and aesthetic for cheap promotion.

    I'm so glad you're a complete no one, with absolute zero connection with neither GW and CA! 🤣

    I mean, CA already agree with me. Reminder in case you forgot :

    A statement so definitive that some people would rather accusing CA of lying than accepting it !
    HAHAHAHAHA You still believe that statement?
    So far... I'd say that a CGI trailer isn't really counterproof. Why? Because otherwise, if we apply the same logic, we have standard bearers in the game because they are in teh CGI trailer for Game 1.

    And none of you brought any actual evidence aside of the CGI trailer using the updated models for all greater Daemons.
    Factual wrong. The GDs in the trailer are clearly AoS so the „No AoS stuff“ statement is already proofed to be false and misleading.

    The question is how much AoS models will we get?
    Factually false on your part. They are plainly the updated, new, Greater Daemon Models. Which replace the around two decades old old Greater Daemon minis. And the Bloodthirster btw. is End Times.

    If the CGI trailer was sole evidence, we'd have standard bearers and Orc Boar Boys with flails, because they were in the Game 1 CGI Trailer.

    ALSO, the CGI Trailer wasn't made in-house by CA. While CA and GW most likely have a final say in it, it's possible that the Studio that made the trailer had some slightly different design decisions.
    HAHAHAHAHAHAH

    Wow... the denial is strong here...

    Updated or not doesn’t matter. AoS stuff is still AoS stuff.

    Who says Khorne Warriors won’t get their updated model from AoS huh?

    The denial is just ridiculous at this point.
    just proving that you have no actual counterargument. Your whole point hinges on the CGI Trailer.

    Again: TW WH1 trailer:


    Now please, show me where those banners are. where the flails on the Orc Boar Boys are.

    Your whole point hinges on 1) The Updated Daemon Models, which clearly are shared between the universes and not AoS exclusive in 2) a CGI Trailer made by a different company

    "Denial" in your book is "Taking the Appearance of updated model in context to what the model actually represents and is, it not being exclusive to one setting, while not taking a CGI Trailer as undoubtable proof".

    Basically: "IT'S DENIAL BECAUSE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME!!!!!"
    Hahaha wow. It’s getting better and better. 😂😂

    Not comparable at all. The unit design is still identical. Banners are just banners.

    So yeah try again.
    The one in denial is you. Because the only thing you want is reinforcing your believe.

    We have no banners, we have no orc boys with flails. Yet they are in the trailer. Banners are just banners... and one of the most commonly demanded details/Flavour things that should be added for many.

    You're again not raising any actual counterpoints just "hahaha no. Can't be because that doesn't fit my opinion!"

    Again:
    1) THe CGI trailer wasn't in house but by a different company, who, despite likely being in contact with CA and GW, might have taken a few different design decisions.
    2) A CGI Trailer usually is not really something players should count on for in-game stuff. Wait for in-engine stuff.
    3) These models, again, are updated models of the very same entities that are in Warhammer Fantasy. Not Some AoS Specific followers of the Same god.
    Aren't you being a little obtuse here?

    Ca knows damn well what they are doing, the AoS greater daemon models have a very distinct look, especially the slaanesh one, the likelyhood of that only being for the trailer is incredibly small, they know what kind of message it sends.
    They are not "The AoS Greater Daemon models". their packages say: Warhammer 40,000 - Age of Sigmar.

    They are just the new Greater Daemon models.

    And about knowing what message they send: Remember the High Elves in the TW WH II trailer with the classic white shields with red gems? And how they look in TW WH2, which lead to a lot of **** HE fans?
    But we do not have to do this exercise where we try and find something that cannot be doubted.

    Yes there are a lot of stuff that is imprecise about the trailers, but most of it is correct. And all of it is correct to some degree. There is a chance those models will not show up in game, but I think it's small.
  • TheGuardianOfMetalTheGuardianOfMetal Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 14,701
    RamsesIII said:

    I agree that modernized greater daemons doesn't necessarily mean everything Will get the newest design. That being said you can be pretty certain CA wouldn't put the newest greater daemon designs in the trailer for the third game and not put said designs in the game, regardless of whether they outsourced the trailer they'd still have a big say in what is displayed there. I don't think showing a completely different design is comparable to banners or some weapons not being in the game.




    And I remember the HE fanboys complaining about them having their faction specific paintjob rather than pure white...

    I'm just pointing out some of the issues with going "Look! It's in the pre rendered CGI Trailer!"

    I mean, look at the CP77 CGI trialers... V being alone in a car, chased by Police (ha!) and firing out of the missing car door...
    The Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!

    Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!

    Every wrong is recorded. Every slight against us, page after page, ETCHED IN BLOOD!

    Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
    'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
  • Neodeinos#5871Neodeinos#5871 Registered Users Posts: 15,851
    edited May 2021
    Yes there are often differences in the trailers and ingame but it's minor details not completely different models. That said the model of the greater daemons is certainly not enough of an evidence to assume we will get more coming from AoS, as @TheGuardianOfMetal pointed out it is more correct to consider them as the updated look of the Greater Daemons and not as the GD from AoS the model is also used for 40K.

    We might get more updated models of already existing units in Fantasy but so far there is absolutely nothing that suggests we are getting units that did not exist in Fantasy before.
  • Bayes#3307Bayes#3307 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 5,015
    edited May 2021
    Neodeinos said:

    Yes there are often differences in the trailers and ingame but it's minor details not completely different models. That said the model of the greater daemons is certainly not enough of an evidence to assume we will get more coming from AoS, as @TheGuardianOfMetal pointed out it is more correct to consider them as the updated look of the Greater Daemons and not as the GD from AoS the model is also used for 40K.

    We might get more updated models of already existing units in Fantasy but so far there is absolutely nothing that suggests we are getting units that did not exist in Fantasy before.

    There is nothing that suggests we are only getting units that existed in fantasy before either.
  • Neodeinos#5871Neodeinos#5871 Registered Users Posts: 15,851
    Bayes said:

    Neodeinos said:

    Yes there are often differences in the trailers and ingame but it's minor details not completely different models. That said the model of the greater daemons is certainly not enough of an evidence to assume we will get more coming from AoS, as @TheGuardianOfMetal pointed out it is more correct to consider them as the updated look of the Greater Daemons and not as the GD from AoS the model is also used for 40K.

    We might get more updated models of already existing units in Fantasy but so far there is absolutely nothing that suggests we are getting units that did not exist in Fantasy before.

    There is nothing that suggests we are only getting units that existed in fantasy before either.
    That's true but I would argue it's the safest assumption until proven otherwise.
  • TheGuardianOfMetalTheGuardianOfMetal Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 14,701
    edited May 2021
    Bayes said:

    Neodeinos said:

    Yes there are often differences in the trailers and ingame but it's minor details not completely different models. That said the model of the greater daemons is certainly not enough of an evidence to assume we will get more coming from AoS, as @TheGuardianOfMetal pointed out it is more correct to consider them as the updated look of the Greater Daemons and not as the GD from AoS the model is also used for 40K.

    We might get more updated models of already existing units in Fantasy but so far there is absolutely nothing that suggests we are getting units that did not exist in Fantasy before.

    There is nothing that suggests we are only getting units that existed in fantasy before either.
    Indeed. However the appearance of 3 Daemon models that came after Fantasy's end is constantly used as 100% unrefutable proof that we will get the AoS designs, and that those are 100% necessary for monogods. And anyone who disagrees wants WoC with a blue filter for Tzeentch...

    Especially since, again, the Daemons are shared between the universes. The mortals are less so. I mean if GW had changed the basic look of the Chaos Marauders... shoudl CA also have updated them to the AoS look,e ven if they don't look at all like the WH Chaos Marauders anymroe?

    I personally think most of the AoS Designs don't mesh well with Fantasy and CA should take inspiration from other artworks etc. to create more fitting Monogod designs. There are a few AoS designs that could fit in well... ok. But i don't think that most of the most commonly touted models fit.
    The Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!

    Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!

    Every wrong is recorded. Every slight against us, page after page, ETCHED IN BLOOD!

    Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
    'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
  • Bayes#3307Bayes#3307 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 5,015
    edited May 2021
    Neodeinos said:

    Bayes said:

    Neodeinos said:

    Yes there are often differences in the trailers and ingame but it's minor details not completely different models. That said the model of the greater daemons is certainly not enough of an evidence to assume we will get more coming from AoS, as @TheGuardianOfMetal pointed out it is more correct to consider them as the updated look of the Greater Daemons and not as the GD from AoS the model is also used for 40K.

    We might get more updated models of already existing units in Fantasy but so far there is absolutely nothing that suggests we are getting units that did not exist in Fantasy before.

    There is nothing that suggests we are only getting units that existed in fantasy before either.
    That's true but I would argue it's the safest assumption until proven otherwise.
    I do not agree, all the races except kislev are new, I SOME new stuff is just as expected as the old stuff.

    Bayes said:

    Neodeinos said:

    Yes there are often differences in the trailers and ingame but it's minor details not completely different models. That said the model of the greater daemons is certainly not enough of an evidence to assume we will get more coming from AoS, as @TheGuardianOfMetal pointed out it is more correct to consider them as the updated look of the Greater Daemons and not as the GD from AoS the model is also used for 40K.

    We might get more updated models of already existing units in Fantasy but so far there is absolutely nothing that suggests we are getting units that did not exist in Fantasy before.

    There is nothing that suggests we are only getting units that existed in fantasy before either.
    Indeed. However the appearance of 3 Daemon models that came after Fantasy's end is constantly used as 100% unrefutable proof that we will get the AoS designs, and that those are 100% necessary for monogods. And anyone who disagrees wants WoC with a blue filter for Tzeentch...

    I personally think most of the AoS Designs don't mesh well with Fantasy and CA should take inspiration from other artworks etc. to create more fitting Monogod designs. There are a few AoS designs that could fit in well... ok. But i don't think that most of the most commonly touted models fit.
    Well this is pretty much fully agree with. I probably have a bit more leniency with AoS models, but man the slaanesh and tzeentch mortals does not really do it for me.
  • Neodeinos#5871Neodeinos#5871 Registered Users Posts: 15,851
    Bayes said:

    Neodeinos said:

    Bayes said:

    Neodeinos said:

    Yes there are often differences in the trailers and ingame but it's minor details not completely different models. That said the model of the greater daemons is certainly not enough of an evidence to assume we will get more coming from AoS, as @TheGuardianOfMetal pointed out it is more correct to consider them as the updated look of the Greater Daemons and not as the GD from AoS the model is also used for 40K.

    We might get more updated models of already existing units in Fantasy but so far there is absolutely nothing that suggests we are getting units that did not exist in Fantasy before.

    There is nothing that suggests we are only getting units that existed in fantasy before either.
    That's true but I would argue it's the safest assumption until proven otherwise.
    I do not agree, all the races except kislev are new, I think new stuff is just as expected as old stuff.

    Bayes said:

    Neodeinos said:

    Yes there are often differences in the trailers and ingame but it's minor details not completely different models. That said the model of the greater daemons is certainly not enough of an evidence to assume we will get more coming from AoS, as @TheGuardianOfMetal pointed out it is more correct to consider them as the updated look of the Greater Daemons and not as the GD from AoS the model is also used for 40K.

    We might get more updated models of already existing units in Fantasy but so far there is absolutely nothing that suggests we are getting units that did not exist in Fantasy before.

    There is nothing that suggests we are only getting units that existed in fantasy before either.
    Indeed. However the appearance of 3 Daemon models that came after Fantasy's end is constantly used as 100% unrefutable proof that we will get the AoS designs, and that those are 100% necessary for monogods. And anyone who disagrees wants WoC with a blue filter for Tzeentch...

    I personally think most of the AoS Designs don't mesh well with Fantasy and CA should take inspiration from other artworks etc. to create more fitting Monogod designs. There are a few AoS designs that could fit in well... ok. But i don't think that most of the most commonly touted models fit.
    Well this is pretty much fully agree with. I probably have a bit more leniency with AoS models, but man the slaanesh and tzeentch mortals does not really do it for me.
    I certainly think we can expect new stuff but it isn't necessarily coming from AoS. The new units we are getting for Kislev are from the Old World, even though this is a different license it still is Warhammer Fantasy so there is absolutely no issue picking stuff from it.
  • RamsesIII#4621RamsesIII#4621 Registered Users Posts: 1,176

    RamsesIII said:

    I agree that modernized greater daemons doesn't necessarily mean everything Will get the newest design. That being said you can be pretty certain CA wouldn't put the newest greater daemon designs in the trailer for the third game and not put said designs in the game, regardless of whether they outsourced the trailer they'd still have a big say in what is displayed there. I don't think showing a completely different design is comparable to banners or some weapons not being in the game.




    And I remember the HE fanboys complaining about them having their faction specific paintjob rather than pure white...

    I'm just pointing out some of the issues with going "Look! It's in the pre rendered CGI Trailer!"

    I mean, look at the CP77 CGI trialers... V being alone in a car, chased by Police (ha!) and firing out of the missing car door...
    Shields are in no way comparable to a complete design change in greater daemons, much less when we're talking low tier units VS debatably the most iconic generic lords in the setting.

    Nor are we talking gameplay mechanics, but the specific design used for 4 hella important units, among which one of them is in the game's poster.
  • xDEMOSxxDEMOSx Registered Users Posts: 1,345
    Bayes said:

    So we are either getting total war warhammer age of reckoning or total war warhammer age of sigmar? What a bummer ...

    Seriously though it is good to see the discussion ramp up before the NEWS comes.

    we are getting Total War The Old world, to me it is quite obvious.

    xDEMOSx said:

    The 8th edition was thrown out the window, I don't know why people here are still so attached to it.

    AoS monogds is the most reliable material to get an idea of how the lists will work.

    We are already receiving AoS models, look at KoS, if you want to think that it’s just because his old variant is outdated, think how you want, no other game its was allowed ,look at Chaosbane, Vermintide2, these are both recent games that could use "updated" templates , secont this logic.

    CA said a lot of **** on the blog.
    If someone is so sure of how the monos' models looked, well open your 8 edition book there and show us the units, statistics, rules is appearance .. oops sorry, it doesn't exist, does it?

    It is amazing how people feel safe to say what they don't know, aside from fans frustrated with AoS, fantasy died because it failed financially, stop being a crybaby, get over it.

    Chaosbane, you say?



    Vermintide doesn't even have Daemons... so what does that have to do with this?

    Another point is that it's quite possible that the devs were offered the choice between using the old (or maybe the Forgeworld) designs, and chose to stay with those.

    And why did Fantasy fail financially... could it have to do with GW driving it against the wall, not helped by them constantly doubling down on 40K? Could it be that GW's business decisions were a good factor in that? And what does this have to do with the whole point? Oh RIght. Nothing, it's just a poor strawman trying to make yourself feel sooo grown up. AoS and Fantasy have different base design philosophies. Probably partly due to better casting etc. but... Fantasy's stuff tended to be a BIT more grounded, less overcrowded with details. While a lot of AoS is just that. Some like it. I personally don't think it looks that good.

    And most of your psot again is completely missing the point, but that I think most that participate in this kind of discussion are already used to these strawman arguments and, probably deliberately, missed points.

    But again for the reading impaired: WHILE the new Daemon models often debut for AoS, They are NOT "AoS Models". They are the new designs for the Daemons. The Daemons are shared with 40k. Just like Fantasy before. They aren't "THose are the AoS Daemons". They are "Those are the Chaos Daemons."
    Scarecrow arguments, I see several here, it seems that he did not understand what I meant, or pretended that he did not understand for his own reasons.

    What I said was very simple:
    1. We don't know what the appearances will look like, you included.
    2.AoS has monogods lists, it is the best material for us to base ourselves on how the gameplay will be, how the lists will work.
    3.CA said things that made no sense on the blog, says that it is a game based on the 8th ed, and there are no books from 8ed, 6 invented lists.


    I am not interested in the history of the company, or in discovering the reasons, or whatever, fantasy died because it failed financially, it is being revived in the old world, end of history, the rest is rumor.
    This model you posted is the old dog head.

    If you had an accurate reading, I would notice that at no time did I mention new units or AoS units, lol.


  • Vanilla_Gorilla#8529Vanilla_Gorilla#8529 Registered Users Posts: 39,131

    Bayes said:

    So we are either getting total war warhammer age of reckoning or total war warhammer age of sigmar? What a bummer ...

    Seriously though it is good to see the discussion ramp up before the NEWS comes.

    We have this discussion every couple of weeks. Often with the "We need the AoS stuff!!!" faction constantly strawmanning, like "you only want the mono gods to be just the same, but with a red colour for Khorne!"
    Truth.
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  • GodWillTellGodWillTell Registered Users Posts: 1,148
    @ArneSo What did you expect from the anti-Monogods band? They are the same biased kids that supports the half-contents idea...just a bunch of haters.
  • TheGuardianOfMetalTheGuardianOfMetal Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 14,701
    edited May 2021

    @ArneSo What did you expect from the anti-Monogods band? They are the same biased kids that supports the half-contents idea...just a bunch of haters.

    Lies and slander, and a lack of an actual argument, as usual.
    The Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!

    Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!

    Every wrong is recorded. Every slight against us, page after page, ETCHED IN BLOOD!

    Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
    'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
  • Vanilla_Gorilla#8529Vanilla_Gorilla#8529 Registered Users Posts: 39,131
    The thing is.... a lot of the AoS designs kinda suck. Some are awesome, some straight suck. Some of the Slaaanesh models look like the designer puked up spikes and armour onto them without any thought. The Greater Demon of love is outright awful. There's the KoS, Sigvald, and the Greed chariot that are awesome, but there's also stuff that outright sucks.

    This whole idea of "CA must copy AoS designs" ignores how good CA's been at designing units that fit the setting fuh-reak-ing perfectly. I'd much rather CA go with a Greek themed Slaaaanesh and run with it than be forced to use sucky designs.
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  • GodWillTellGodWillTell Registered Users Posts: 1,148

    @ArneSo What did you expect from the anti-Monogods band? They are the same biased kids that supports the half-contents idea...just a bunch of haters.

    Lies and slander, and a lack of an actual argument, as usual.
    Look who's talking! "If Monogods will be part of WH3 then the game will fail and i won't buy that ****!"

    Hilarious.
  • TheGuardianOfMetalTheGuardianOfMetal Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 14,701

    @ArneSo What did you expect from the anti-Monogods band? They are the same biased kids that supports the half-contents idea...just a bunch of haters.

    Lies and slander, and a lack of an actual argument, as usual.
    Look who's talking! "If Monogods will be part of WH3 then the game will fail and i won't buy that ****!"

    Hilarious.
    Please. Quote where I said that. Go ahead. I am waiting.
    The Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!

    Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!

    Every wrong is recorded. Every slight against us, page after page, ETCHED IN BLOOD!

    Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
    'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
  • Vanilla_Gorilla#8529Vanilla_Gorilla#8529 Registered Users Posts: 39,131
    RamsesIII said:

    RamsesIII said:

    I agree that modernized greater daemons doesn't necessarily mean everything Will get the newest design. That being said you can be pretty certain CA wouldn't put the newest greater daemon designs in the trailer for the third game and not put said designs in the game, regardless of whether they outsourced the trailer they'd still have a big say in what is displayed there. I don't think showing a completely different design is comparable to banners or some weapons not being in the game.




    And I remember the HE fanboys complaining about them having their faction specific paintjob rather than pure white...

    I'm just pointing out some of the issues with going "Look! It's in the pre rendered CGI Trailer!"

    I mean, look at the CP77 CGI trialers... V being alone in a car, chased by Police (ha!) and firing out of the missing car door...
    Shields are in no way comparable to a complete design change in greater daemons, much less when we're talking low tier units VS debatably the most iconic generic lords in the setting.

    Nor are we talking gameplay mechanics, but the specific design used for 4 hella important units, among which one of them is in the game's poster.
    I think it's pretty undeniable that CA will be using the updated GD models. Which is good. The new KoS is one of my favourite models, I wish the rest of the roster followed it's cues but that's another debate. I also think that doesn't actually tell us anything about the mortals they'll use.

    I don't think CA would've approved the trailer had it been otherwise. At the very least that'd be a pretty big mistake had they done so considering how big some of the differences are, particularly for Slaaaanesh.
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  • ScreamimgEnvyScreamimgEnvy Registered Users Posts: 912
    Another thread ruined by the Anti-Monos gang... why I'm not surprised?




    Team Monogods - #JusticeForTzeentch


  • TheGuardianOfMetalTheGuardianOfMetal Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 14,701
    edited May 2021

    Another thread ruined by the Anti-Monos gang... why I'm not surprised?




    "People are arguing against our make believe evidence! THAT IS RUINING THE THREAD!" Really? I'd rather say it's the "We need AOS Stuff!" Gang that ruins most of the chances for a civilized argument by constantly strawmaning. Great example her

    This thread started to so good but then, holy crap! Haters spawned and ruined it. 😰

    Page 2 in a nutshell.



    So much straw that, if you lost a needle, you'd never find it again.

    Also. I again want proof that I'm "Anti-Monogods". I'm still waiting.
    The Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!

    Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!

    Every wrong is recorded. Every slight against us, page after page, ETCHED IN BLOOD!

    Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
    'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
  • ScreamimgEnvyScreamimgEnvy Registered Users Posts: 912
    Thanks god this **** show will end this month. Then I'm curious to see if the Antis won't buy the game or will boycott the game, like they said in the last 5 years. Imagine being so angry about a fictional series...
    Team Monogods - #JusticeForTzeentch


  • Neodeinos#5871Neodeinos#5871 Registered Users Posts: 15,851

    Thanks god this **** show will end this month. Then I'm curious to see if the Antis won't buy the game or will boycott the game, like they said in the last 5 years. Imagine being so angry about a fictional series...

    I wonder, where have you seen any monogod hate in this thread ? I've been following the thread since the start and haven't seen anything against the monogods.
  • PoorManatee6197#6481PoorManatee6197#6481 Registered Users Posts: 2,551

    @ArneSo What did you expect from the anti-Monogods band? They are the same biased kids that supports the half-contents idea...just a bunch of haters.

    Literally no one said anything about monogods or not in this thread, the discussion is about using AoS aesthetics or not.
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    All those missing things are grudges in the great book, is in your hand to settle them, CA. Khazukan kazakit-ha!

    IT'S HOBGOBBO TIME!!!!!!!
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  • TheGuardianOfMetalTheGuardianOfMetal Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 14,701

    Thanks god this **** show will end this month. Then I'm curious to see if the Antis won't buy the game or will boycott the game, like they said in the last 5 years. Imagine being so angry about a fictional series...



    ANd again. The whole thing is missing the main points that were put forward against hte mono-gods.

    So far each game had 4 launch races. the main Argument had always been against launching the game with only 4 chaos races. This issue has been lessened by game 3 having Six launch races.

    However I still think it'd been better to first give the army books some love and then use the Monogods to add lesser known characters, to give them some spotlight.
    The Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!

    Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!

    Every wrong is recorded. Every slight against us, page after page, ETCHED IN BLOOD!

    Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
    'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
  • Bayes#3307Bayes#3307 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 5,015

    @ArneSo What did you expect from the anti-Monogods band? They are the same biased kids that supports the half-contents idea...just a bunch of haters.

    To be fair I think that is just vanilla_gorilla

    There are different factions in the monogods debate get them right!
  • Vanilla_Gorilla#8529Vanilla_Gorilla#8529 Registered Users Posts: 39,131
    Bayes said:

    Neodeinos said:

    Bayes said:

    Neodeinos said:

    Yes there are often differences in the trailers and ingame but it's minor details not completely different models. That said the model of the greater daemons is certainly not enough of an evidence to assume we will get more coming from AoS, as @TheGuardianOfMetal pointed out it is more correct to consider them as the updated look of the Greater Daemons and not as the GD from AoS the model is also used for 40K.

    We might get more updated models of already existing units in Fantasy but so far there is absolutely nothing that suggests we are getting units that did not exist in Fantasy before.

    There is nothing that suggests we are only getting units that existed in fantasy before either.
    That's true but I would argue it's the safest assumption until proven otherwise.
    I do not agree, all the races except kislev are new, I SOME new stuff is just as expected as the old stuff.

    Bayes said:

    Neodeinos said:

    Yes there are often differences in the trailers and ingame but it's minor details not completely different models. That said the model of the greater daemons is certainly not enough of an evidence to assume we will get more coming from AoS, as @TheGuardianOfMetal pointed out it is more correct to consider them as the updated look of the Greater Daemons and not as the GD from AoS the model is also used for 40K.

    We might get more updated models of already existing units in Fantasy but so far there is absolutely nothing that suggests we are getting units that did not exist in Fantasy before.

    There is nothing that suggests we are only getting units that existed in fantasy before either.
    Indeed. However the appearance of 3 Daemon models that came after Fantasy's end is constantly used as 100% unrefutable proof that we will get the AoS designs, and that those are 100% necessary for monogods. And anyone who disagrees wants WoC with a blue filter for Tzeentch...

    I personally think most of the AoS Designs don't mesh well with Fantasy and CA should take inspiration from other artworks etc. to create more fitting Monogod designs. There are a few AoS designs that could fit in well... ok. But i don't think that most of the most commonly touted models fit.
    Well this is pretty much fully agree with. I probably have a bit more leniency with AoS models, but man the slaanesh and tzeentch mortals does not really do it for me.
    I quite like the Tzeeeentch mortals. Was going to buy some to convert before picking some others. Even those though... I'd rather CA take some of the cues from them then design their own stuff rather than outright copy pasting. The only thing from the Chaos AoS rosters I'd consider sans flaw would be the Keeper of Secrets. The rest could all be improved to some degree, so they should be. Take the cues, take the designs to some extent, improve them.
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