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Repost from Reddit regarding Khorne representation in media

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  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 27,702
    Gamgee said:

    Frankly it's not surprising.

    Kislev is very likely to be the most played of any of the game 2 races. It could very feasibly be 2-3x more popular than any Individual Chaos race. This is the pragmatic reality of splitting the gods into 4.

    Chaos is awesome, chaos will get its love, chaos will and absolutely should get the loads of content as it deserves. However we can't ignore the sheer pragmatic reality that the big sellers of this game are Kislev, then Cathay.

    No idea why so many disagree the gaming normies have proven to like only the most normal factions around. Even high elves were a hard sell to normies like angry joe back in the day in his warhammer 2 review. Now that there is Kislev and Cathay two highly requested factions since game 1 this is only natural. Only here and 4chan do people think otherwise but those are the ultimate contrarian places and opinions lol who don't represent the majority in any way. Then the statistics of the campaigns beaten show a clear bias towards human and then good guy factions. The chaos factions are all the least played its why they had to be bundled with a good guy faction as their dlc wouldn't sell as good otherwise.
    Idunno, people paying rent. Disagrees are meaningless outside of some laughter.

    Thing is even on the polls here Chaos combined is around 40-50% which is fine, and around the expected amount. Among casuals I'd be shocked if that increased. Very likely that decreases. And that's combined, all 4.

    Khorney will get its time as will the other colours. This is the first teaser. This is "HE where's the love" level stuff. The HE really do cop more hate than they deserve.
    Hyped for TWW3.

    CA! Cathay has the most potential of any race in TWW by far. More A+ material to design a race from than any other. You can make Cathay the best race in TWW history. I bolieve in you!
  • WyvaxWyvax Registered Users Posts: 4,831
    Draxynnic said:

    Krunch said:

    I literally called it. Just 20 minutes after the trailer dropped I posted the following:

    "I can already see "Khorne: where's the love?""

    This happened sooner than expected tbh.

    Yeah, I find it hilariously ironic that after people have been throwing shade at HE fans for years, Khorne fans are now complaining over the teaser for the first gameplay reveal. At least wait until there's been enough material to set a trend. Someone has to be the loser of the first gameplay showcase, after all.
    HE fans are a mostly reasonable bunch with a handful of eccentric crazies. Chaos fans (specifically monogods) don't technically have any eccentric crazies because by default they're fanatic thralls to the dark gods to begin with. You notice the former far more cause they stand out as unusual. I'm honestly curious as to how much salt we're going to see when the monogod rosters come out looking fairly reasonable and nothing like all those fan lists chock full of AoS stuff and one line lore blurbs. From what we've seen so far with the design of the Warriors/Chosen of Khorne, it's looking to lean that way quite a bit.
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  • Surge_2Surge_2 Registered Users Posts: 5,923

    This is "HE where's the love" level stuff. The HE really do cop more hate than they deserve.

    Bloodthirster, with an Orc Sound File.

    They recorded it.
    They reviewed it.
    They uploaded it.

    Bloodthirster, with an Orc Sound File.

    Where's the love? No Seriously.
    Beastmen

  • saweendrasaweendra Registered Users Posts: 13,841
    Surge_2 said:

    This is "HE where's the love" level stuff. The HE really do cop more hate than they deserve.

    Bloodthirster, with an Orc Sound File.

    They recorded it.
    They reviewed it.
    They uploaded it.

    Bloodthirster, with an Orc Sound File.

    Where's the love? No Seriously.
    Waaaaagh
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  • Surge_2Surge_2 Registered Users Posts: 5,923
    I know right saweendra? Its literally embarrassing.
    Beastmen

  • saweendrasaweendra Registered Users Posts: 13,841
    Surge_2 said:

    I know right saweendra? Its literally embarrassing.

    Hopefully they actually do aome better voice update by next week. Reveal.
    Feel like they were not ready to do the teaser reveal today. The vedio was really bad quality. So the leak might have had something to with it.


    It but i think the real reason it had orc sound files was the base whatever they used to make Bloodthirster had some orc elements in it.

    Or Khorne finally got orcs to convince him better than gork and mork.
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  • SaintCornSaintCorn Registered Users Posts: 1,439
    Surge_2 said:

    I know right saweendra? Its literally embarrassing.

    Grace was asked that a lot on Reddit, and the response was that it wasn't final and subject to change.

    The preview was kinda quickly slapped together to help cover for the leaks judging by the spelling errors and miscommunication about the dates, and not to mention the fact that CA basically never releases so direct a teaser like a week or so out.

    So, I hope that they learn from that community feedback or they basically had to use a placeholder sound because it wasn't implemented or needed fixing.

  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 27,702
    Surge_2 said:

    This is "HE where's the love" level stuff. The HE really do cop more hate than they deserve.

    Bloodthirster, with an Orc Sound File.

    They recorded it.
    They reviewed it.
    They uploaded it.

    Bloodthirster, with an Orc Sound File.

    Where's the love? No Seriously.
    Bloodthirsters are red Orks. Just a fact now.
    Hyped for TWW3.

    CA! Cathay has the most potential of any race in TWW by far. More A+ material to design a race from than any other. You can make Cathay the best race in TWW history. I bolieve in you!
  • MikobotMikobot Registered Users Posts: 114

    Surge_2 said:

    This is "HE where's the love" level stuff. The HE really do cop more hate than they deserve.

    Bloodthirster, with an Orc Sound File.

    They recorded it.
    They reviewed it.
    They uploaded it.

    Bloodthirster, with an Orc Sound File.

    Where's the love? No Seriously.
    Bloodthirsters are red Orks. Just a fact now.
    Can't wait to see the Empire's face when Grimgor initiates a WAAAAGH and it's a 20 stack of Bloodthirsters.
  • DraxynnicDraxynnic Registered Users Posts: 10,962
    Elves had a lot of human animations in the original marketing for TWW2 that were changed during the period TWW2 was being marketed, so it's entirely possible that the Bloodthirster roar is just a placeholder. Not to mention the whole thing with High Elf shields.

    Specific criticisms like that are definitely worth bringing up.
  • Surge_2Surge_2 Registered Users Posts: 5,923
    SaintCorn said:

    Surge_2 said:

    I know right saweendra? Its literally embarrassing.

    Grace was asked that a lot on Reddit, and the response was that it wasn't final and subject to change.

    The preview was kinda quickly slapped together to help cover for the leaks judging by the spelling errors and miscommunication about the dates, and not to mention the fact that CA basically never releases so direct a teaser like a week or so out.

    So, I hope that they learn from that community feedback or they basically had to use a placeholder sound because it wasn't implemented or needed fixing.
    Then WHY include it at all?

    Thank GOD I have not preordered this.
    Beastmen

  • ASyrianASyrian Registered Users Posts: 781
    edited May 6
    Just like those high elves still they came out nice.
    Kislev was a nice reveal and will be the first race trailer thats why everything is about them atm
  • SaintCornSaintCorn Registered Users Posts: 1,439
    Surge_2 said:

    SaintCorn said:

    Surge_2 said:

    I know right saweendra? Its literally embarrassing.

    Grace was asked that a lot on Reddit, and the response was that it wasn't final and subject to change.

    The preview was kinda quickly slapped together to help cover for the leaks judging by the spelling errors and miscommunication about the dates, and not to mention the fact that CA basically never releases so direct a teaser like a week or so out.

    So, I hope that they learn from that community feedback or they basically had to use a placeholder sound because it wasn't implemented or needed fixing.
    Then WHY include it at all?

    Thank GOD I have not preordered this.
    Honestly, they were probably in full damage control mode, and they hoped it would salvage the situation by showing off a big bloodthirster.

    So, it's just another mistake on top of quite a few other ones for a fairly quickly put together teaser.
    I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they cooked it up today as soon as they could and immediately pushed it out.

  • RikRiorikRikRiorik Registered Users Posts: 10,457
    I honesly don’t give a Flying Burrito Brother about who figures in the trailer or who supposedly gets slapped the hardest in it.
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  • RikRiorikRikRiorik Registered Users Posts: 10,457
    Draxynnic said:

    Elves had a lot of human animations in the original marketing for TWW2 that were changed during the period TWW2 was being marketed, so it's entirely possible that the Bloodthirster roar is just a placeholder. Not to mention the whole thing with High Elf shields.

    Specific criticisms like that are definitely worth bringing up.

    I’m still sore about the colour change from red and white stripes to generic white and blue. Thanks for reminding me.
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  • LunaticprinceLunaticprince Registered Users Posts: 3,445
    Draxynnic said:

    Krunch said:

    I literally called it. Just 20 minutes after the trailer dropped I posted the following:

    "I can already see "Khorne: where's the love?""

    This happened sooner than expected tbh.

    Yeah, I find it hilariously ironic that after people have been throwing shade at HE fans for years, Khorne fans are now complaining over the teaser for the first gameplay reveal. At least wait until there's been enough material to set a trend. Someone has to be the loser of the first gameplay showcase, after all.
    Fair take I take the shot now.

    Really not wanna a second where is the love.
    saweendra said:

    Dis gonna be good. This is the day we end HE where the love insults. Chaos edgy ❄ are pretty much the same.

    First need as much pages as the where is the love thread.

    Still hope really is not turn out to be that, one was more then enough!!

  • DraxynnicDraxynnic Registered Users Posts: 10,962

    saweendra said:

    Dis gonna be good. This is the day we end HE where the love insults. Chaos edgy ❄ are pretty much the same.

    First need as much pages as the where is the love thread.

    Still hope really is not turn out to be that, one was more then enough!!
    The reason that thread got so long (apart from people taking shots at the people complaining) was that pretty much all of the High Elf discussion for a couple of months got swept into that thread, whether because people knew that was the thread for discussing High Elves, or because the mods merged other threads into it. It wasn't 100+ pages of complaining about marketing, regardless of what someone might think by the first couple of pages.

    From memory, too, even from the beginning one of the considerations raised was that at the time, we were seeing statistics and the Dark Elf statistics were looking like they were clearly better than those of High Elf units that were supposed to be their equivalents. Martial Prowess brought them roughly on par, the problem being that Martial Prowess could be lost, while the Dark Elves had a baseline that matches High Elves with Martial Prowess, and had the potential to get Murderous Prowess on top. Other issues regarding High Elves, good and bad, were all discussed in the same thread. There was a lot of specific feedback in that thread as a whole, from criticism to suggestions to praise.

    Sure, it might make a good debate line to point at the 100+ page thread, but the alternative would likely have been dozens of smaller threads.
  • LunaticprinceLunaticprince Registered Users Posts: 3,445
    Draxynnic said:

    saweendra said:

    Dis gonna be good. This is the day we end HE where the love insults. Chaos edgy ❄ are pretty much the same.

    First need as much pages as the where is the love thread.

    Still hope really is not turn out to be that, one was more then enough!!
    The reason that thread got so long (apart from people taking shots at the people complaining) was that pretty much all of the High Elf discussion for a couple of months got swept into that thread, whether because people knew that was the thread for discussing High Elves, or because the mods merged other threads into it. It wasn't 100+ pages of complaining about marketing, regardless of what someone might think by the first couple of pages.

    From memory, too, even from the beginning one of the considerations raised was that at the time, we were seeing statistics and the Dark Elf statistics were looking like they were clearly better than those of High Elf units that were supposed to be their equivalents. Martial Prowess brought them roughly on par, the problem being that Martial Prowess could be lost, while the Dark Elves had a baseline that matches High Elves with Martial Prowess, and had the potential to get Murderous Prowess on top. Other issues regarding High Elves, good and bad, were all discussed in the same thread. There was a lot of specific feedback in that thread as a whole, from criticism to suggestions to praise.

    Sure, it might make a good debate line to point at the 100+ page thread, but the alternative would likely have been dozens of smaller threads.
    I some arguments where pretty silly and many threads where CA get accused of hating HE.

    But I not deny many was also responsible, still I really not need something like that again.

    Especially when this not even add up!

    As Kislev literally got manhandled by khorne armies.

    I think they not even manage to take down one Bloodletter

    Yes we can say (katarina take down the Bloodthirster)

    But first we didn't see how it ended because there this section ended.

    Now they get a teaser and I not see anything die.

    So yeah.

  • MrDragonMrDragon Registered Users Posts: 2,210
    We're still months away from the release of the game, a week away from the gameplay stream and this conclusion is already being made now?
    Compare this to a human birth and having this conclusion now is like giving birth 8 months early.
    Maybe wait with judging until the freakin' stream at least? This is embarrassing.
  • BayesBayes Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 2,514
    MrDragon said:

    We're still months away from the release of the game, a week away from the gameplay stream and this conclusion is already being made now?
    Compare this to a human birth and having this conclusion now is like giving birth 8 months early.
    Maybe wait with judging until the freakin' stream at least? This is embarrassing.

    You must be new here.
  • LunaticprinceLunaticprince Registered Users Posts: 3,445
    Even when Khorne get beating next week is sure not stay for long.

    Sorry i always draw to the HE but they literally was for the whole release the punching bag.

    Lets count, every centerpiece Lizardman unit showcase OHH! Featured HE being eating or impaled. Also the battle of the fallen Gate where they get rekt by a herd of dinos.

    Now DE: Literally start malekith lay siege and waste to a High elves city, slaughter everyone in his way. Also Hydra tail wipe some Dragon princess, yeah..

    Skaven: YES even they give their asur a run for the money, as they literally defeat their armies in their own ENGINE TRAILER!!

    So please chill and wait.

  • ArneSoArneSo Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 22,813

    Nurgle is love, Nurgle is life
  • peabodyestatepeabodyestate Registered Users Posts: 1,278
    Very very very early in the day to have any sweeping concerns about any of this. Have a bit of faith, i reckon you will be rewarded for it.
  • BayesBayes Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 2,514
    ArneSo said:


    That is good the Bloodthirster roar honestly had me laughing.
  • LunaticprinceLunaticprince Registered Users Posts: 3,445
    Bayes said:

    ArneSo said:


    That is good the Bloodthirster roar honestly had me laughing.
    Grimgor just was so full of rage, khrone say. Fak it you now a bloodthirster.

    "perfectly explaned lore accurate way"

  • Lord_HenkusLord_Henkus Registered Users Posts: 1,746
    One fight and people are already complaining about Khorne being a punching bag... Please get a grip
    How negative I may sound, game is stil 11 out of 10

    Also, please slow down combat!




  • manpersalmanpersal Registered Users Posts: 2,103
    I don't know what I've missed, because in the trailer it's the kislevistes who are getting smashed and in the teaser we don't see any prolonged combat to see whios winning and losing.

    Granted, if the player is Kislev in next week's gameplay we can expect them to be in the winning side, but I don't see how that's a problem. And as many have said, human/good guy factions will appeal the great public more than demons.
  • SiWISiWI Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 11,820
    Bayes said:

    ArneSo said:


    That is good the Bloodthirster roar honestly had me laughing.
    I thought it was a joke and hence don't take it so seriously like some here...


    overall, isn't it a tad bit early to mourn and whine about "chaos mistreatment"? Being the first to be showcase is far from an advantage.

    As for the khorne specific angle, he is the strongest and the most straight forward chaos god.
    No surprise that he gets shown first.
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  • CoveredfiresCoveredfires Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 1,084

    Frankly it's not surprising.

    Kislev is very likely to be the most played of any of the game 2 races. It could very feasibly be 2-3x more popular than any Individual Chaos race. This is the pragmatic reality of splitting the gods into 4.

    Chaos is awesome, chaos will get its love, chaos will and absolutely should get the loads of content as it deserves. However we can't ignore the sheer pragmatic reality that the big sellers of this game are Kislev, then Cathay.

    Big sellers of this game are Kislev? You nuts? Warhammer 3 is suppose to be like 80% at least on chaos. That's what CA has been saying since before WH1 even released.
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  • KrocodileKrew212KrocodileKrew212 Registered Users Posts: 300
    Kislev is new. Kislev hasn't been majorly featured in a Warhammer game before. Kislev has a rep in-universe for surviving Chaos invasions.

    It makes sense to give them a major presence.
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