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The Choices for a Nagash Race. How would it/he be represented?

TheWattmanTheWattman Junior MemberRegistered Users Posts: 706
The core races in WH3 are the 4 seperate Monogods, Kislev, Cathay and perhaps also Undivided Daemons of Chaos, if Be'lakor being 9th lord is any indication. 1 more race will join in the form of pre-order, most likely Ogre Kingdoms, Dogs of War or Chaos Dwarfs. That still leaves 2 major racepacks for WH3 down the road and 2, during its roughly 4 year lifecycle, was what WH2 recieved in the form of the Tomb Kings and Vampire Coast. WH3 will likely last longer, so perhaps its best to think in terms of 3 major race packs, MAYBE 4, by trilogy's end. 2 of those would likely be the aforementioned Chaos Dwarfs and Dogs of War.

After these, would stand fan-favourite Nagash and his Undead Legion, but here we encounter difficulties depending on what route CA decides to take WH3. Not only would it be a question of which lords to include, but also, there is the matter of the minor races of the WH3 setting: Ind, Nippon, Khuresh and even in the distance, the Kurgan. If CA decides to include either Ind, Nippon or Khuresh as seperate unplayable civilzations on launch, then there is a good bet that they are planning to make them playable at some point during WH3's lifecycle. Then, with only 1 or 2 spots open, it would be a matter of priority whether to focus on entirely new factions, or on the Tomb King-Vampire clone that would be Nagash's Undead Legions.

As for the Legion itself, who would be its lords besides Nagash? As things stand right now, that's not an easy question to answer. His mortarchs are largely taken by other factions, with Vlad and Manfred in Sylvania, Krell a summon by Kemmler, Arkhan the Black hanging out in Nehekhara and Luthor Harkon in Lustria. Neferata is likely to be taken too, becoming head of the Lahmians in Silver Pinnacle at some point during WH3. With that, all the major titled-Mortarchs are taken, leaving us barely with 3 characters. I say 3, as I suspect that CA won't accept other WH videogames as established lores, which would eliminate the 3 mortarchs (Dread King, Virion the Grim and Hand of Nagash) appearing in Warhammer: Dark Omen who are not mentioned anywhere else. That leaves Dieter Helsnicht, Walach Harkon and Constant Drachenfels AKA the Nameless. A less powerful Necromancer, a Blood Dragon Knight and a spirit without physical form, other than perhaps the possessed body of Luthor Huss? Is this the ideal version of what Nagash's Legion would be represented as?

What of starting positions, besides Nagashizzar? There is no easy answer here either. Walach Harkon and the Nameless would've been easy to place in Blood Keep and Castle Drachenfels, if it weren't for the fact that Skarsnik and Heinrich Kemmler are both blocking any further access to the Grey Mountains. Dieter Helsnicht is in a better place, but his Forest of Shadows hideout will likely be occupied by Zacharias the Everliving and the Necrarchs, assuming all Count lines will be playable at some point. With no obvious starting locations, would it be better to have a one-man race, coming in a regular LP rather than a race-pack, operating solely out of Nagashizzar, perhaps with remaining mortarchs as simple recruitable LLs?

Or perhaps a different scenario entirely, with no Nagash race entirely? If Neferata is placed in charge of Silver Pinnacle in WH3, perhaps her campaign goal could be to go down south and conquer Nagashizzar and perform a great ritual to bring back Nagash? Who would she conquer it from? Well from the Skaven, as Nagash did in the lore, perhaps from Skreech Verminking himself as a possible 8th lord for the Skaven after Thanquol. This would symbolize the united Skaven clans who destroyed Nagash the first time.

What do you think guys? How should Nagash be handled? A full 4-lord race-pack, a one-man race or a campaign goal for Neferata in WH3?
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  • arthadawarthadaw Registered Users Posts: 737
    2 Lords, Nagash and Nameless/Drachenfell


    Nagash start weakened and need to defeat the other undead to gain power, creating dilemmas where he can take defeated Undead Lord into his own faction


    Nameless start with Luther Huss as first enemy far away from Drachenfell, Luther having managed to exorcize himself, Nameless then take a pseudo ethereal appearance and can work toward collecting the broken shard of his memory, either by serving Nagash or going against him

    As you collect his psyche he get access to Demon and higher tiered unit


    Maybe have them work such as semi-Horde

    Horde army/Lord: Mortarch

    Normal Army: Vampire...

    That way you are limited in the number of Horde you get but still can have smaller armies running around
  • ArneSoArneSo Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 22,792
    4 LLs:
    - Nagash
    - The Nameless
    - Dieter Helsnicht
    - Walach Harkon

    2 Lords:
    - Dread King
    - Cairn Wraith Lord

    3 Heroes:
    - Cairn Wraith Hero
    - Morghast Hero
    - Wight King

    New units:
    - Morghast Archai
    - Morghast Harbingers
    - Dread Abyssals
    - Nagashizzar Guard (4 variants)
    - Bone Golems
    - Glooms
    - Ghosts
    - Spirit Hosts
    - Carion Riders
    - Cairn Wraith Unit Champion
    - Embalmed Ones
    - Unquiet Horsemen

    The rest can be copy pasted from VC and TK or be simple reskins.
    Nurgle is love, Nurgle is life
  • ItharusItharus Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 13,140
    edited May 11
    Very poorly.

    It'd basically just be Arkhan the Black's army plus probably a couple variants or new monsters made up just for it. You could think of Nagash as basically "Undead Undivided".

    Dude should just be a FLC for Arkhan to join a faction of, but they'd prolly not cuz some people would buy him.

    So he and Neferata will probably just be Arkhan 2 and 3, be a new faction, and they'll move Arkhan into it while giving us a TK FLC of that scarab swarm dude so tha TK still have 4 lords.

    Et voila! Race pack for Nagash as preorder.

    In which case... wake me up when Mortal Empires 2, Chaos Dwarfs, or Hobgoblins arrive.

    My hype level for game 3 is pretty much nil at this point.

    They need to reveal what the preorder is or get the hell off the pot.
  • AmonkhetAmonkhet Registered Users Posts: 6,885
    His own faction as Campaign pack with four legendary lords:

    -Nagash (Faction Leader)
    -The Nameless
    -Dieter Helsnicht
    -Walach Harkon

    His faction mechanics include the ability to confederate other Undead leaders for bonuses by giving them slots as Mortarches. With the addition of Neferata to Vampire Counts and maybe some tinkering with Krell, ALL Mortarches will now be in game.

    His army will be a new invention inspired by both Oldhammer and Age of Sigmar. His army should be the opposite of the other three, with a heavy emphasis on Legendary Lords, Lords, Heroes, Elite Units and Magic.

    Albion would make the perfect Total War Warhammer 3 pre-order; with Hengus the Druid and Bran MacKerog as Legendary Lords.
  • NeodeinosNeodeinos Registered Users Posts: 11,245
    He should get his own race but only with two LLs and not four. Himself and The Nameless.

  • afverrallafverrall Registered Users Posts: 492
    I would have him as a lord kroak type of deal with the vampire counts or followers of nagash. Alternatively have him as a vampire counts lord and enable him to confederate other undead factions and gain access to their units with the exception of settra ofc.

    I don't think he warrants the creation of yet another undead race as I think dogs of war, ogre kingdoms, chaos dwarfs and even the hobgoblin khanate offer far more value as campaign packs and I don't like the idea of the already heavily represented undead factions taking a day one slot in game 3 just to make nagash "feel special".
  • AmonkhetAmonkhet Registered Users Posts: 6,885
    edited May 11
    Neodeinos said:

    He should get his own race but only with two LLs and not four. Himself and The Nameless.

    I can see that too, as a 2 LL faction. Though I'd be super peeved at weirdly missing out on both Dieter Helsnicht and Walach Harkon to finish off the official Mortarches (I think Krell's a lost cause)
    afverrall said:

    I would have him as a lord kroak type of deal with the vampire counts or followers of nagash. Alternatively have him as a vampire counts lord and enable him to confederate other undead factions and gain access to their units with the exception of settra ofc.

    I don't think he warrants the creation of yet another undead race as I think dogs of war, ogre kingdoms, chaos dwarfs and even the hobgoblin khanate offer far more value as campaign packs and I don't like the idea of the already heavily represented undead factions taking a day one slot in game 3 just to make nagash "feel special".

    I can't wait for Archaeon in The Empire then as a LL!
    Albion would make the perfect Total War Warhammer 3 pre-order; with Hengus the Druid and Bran MacKerog as Legendary Lords.
  • GreenColouredGreenColoured Registered Users Posts: 2,875
    We'll have to wait and see
  • TheWattmanTheWattman Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 706
    afverrall said:

    I would have him as a lord kroak type of deal with the vampire counts or followers of nagash. Alternatively have him as a vampire counts lord and enable him to confederate other undead factions and gain access to their units with the exception of settra ofc.

    I don't think he warrants the creation of yet another undead race as I think dogs of war, ogre kingdoms, chaos dwarfs and even the hobgoblin khanate offer far more value as campaign packs and I don't like the idea of the already heavily represented undead factions taking a day one slot in game 3 just to make nagash "feel special".

    Honestly I agree with this, I think another Undead race is just pushing it. Besides, the Kroak solution is fully satisfying in his case and Nagash is one of the few that could match him in power. They did it to Kroak, they did it to Ariel and it should work for Nagash too.
  • Ingr8Ingr8 Registered Users Posts: 2,139
    Like this:



    As long as the master is correctly presented I will have no.complaints about the rest of the faction
    Dreaming of mighty Lumbria

  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Registered Users Posts: 3,215
    Ingr8 said:

    Like this:



    As long as the master is correctly presented I will have no.complaints about the rest of the faction

    Yes pre end times Nagash is the way

    She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.

    The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
  • ASyrianASyrian Registered Users Posts: 774
    afverrall said:

    I would have him as a lord kroak type of deal with the vampire counts or followers of nagash. Alternatively have him as a vampire counts lord and enable him to confederate other undead factions and gain access to their units with the exception of settra ofc.

    I don't think he warrants the creation of yet another undead race as I think dogs of war, ogre kingdoms, chaos dwarfs and even the hobgoblin khanate offer far more value as campaign packs and I don't like the idea of the already heavily represented undead factions taking a day one slot in game 3 just to make nagash "feel special".

    Kroak is a LH bc he doesnt lead armies anymore and rly npt interacts most of the time
    Nagash is leader of all undead if they want it or not
    So he should be able to lead armies aka be a LL
  • John_KimbleJohn_Kimble Registered Users Posts: 1,121
    edited May 11
    Special glorified FLC lord with his own unique faction that represents the combined races of VC and TK.

    - Nagash as the sole LL of his faction
    - Full Vampire Counts Roster
    - Full Tomb Kings Roster
    - 3/4 unique kitbashed units and 3-4 RoRs unique to his faction
    - possibility to assimilate and confed through special mechanic, specific objective and/or quest battle the following LLs from across the Undead races: Luthor, Noctilus, Mannfred, Vlad, Isabella, Ghorst, Kemmler, Red Duke, Arkhan, Khalida and Neferata when she comes.
    - A special "officer" panel for assigning his 9 mortarchs
    - unique rite or mechanic that allows him to spawn armies for medium/large battle mark on the campaign map.


    Anything else i'd still be fine with, and would buy anyways.
  • MisterSquidMisterSquid Florida, USARegistered Users Posts: 1,151
    Why would Walach Harkon be part of Nagash's faction? He's a vampire and should be part of the Vampire Counts.
    Remember: there's no reason to get angry on the forums. Be polite and respectful towards other people's opinions, even if you disagree.

    Currently eagerly awaiting the Ogre Kingdoms!
  • DrazhoaththeAshenDrazhoaththeAshen Registered Users Posts: 279

    The core races in WH3 are the 4 seperate Monogods, Kislev, Cathay and perhaps also Undivided Daemons of Chaos, if Be'lakor being 9th lord is any indication. 1 more race will join in the form of pre-order, most likely Ogre Kingdoms, Dogs of War or Chaos Dwarfs. That still leaves 2 major racepacks for WH3 down the road and 2, during its roughly 4 year lifecycle, was what WH2 recieved in the form of the Tomb Kings and Vampire Coast. WH3 will likely last longer, so perhaps its best to think in terms of 3 major race packs, MAYBE 4, by trilogy's end. 2 of those would likely be the aforementioned Chaos Dwarfs and Dogs of War.



    As to the question, two or so lords. My choice is that Nagash and his ilk be offered up as sacrifice (i.e. pre-order) so that we might all bask in the twin glories of Hashut and The Great Maw done right.

    Keep calm and praise Hashut
    Beautiful artwork by Matt Hancox
  • LudboneLudbone Registered Users Posts: 1,923
    Ingr8 said:

    Like this:



    As long as the master is correctly presented I will have no.complaints about the rest of the faction

    What the hell is this abomination?! Yikes! What a terrible model.

    ET did something right. . . turning that 80's Teletubbies version of Nagash into a proper Death God as he should be.
  • ErathilErathil Registered Users Posts: 1,084
    Legions of Nagash is a terrible idea for an independent race, and I don't think it's a good fit for a playable faction.

    It has no identity, unique tactics, and exactly two unique units. Any interpretation of it would primarily be pilfering units and assets from Tomb Kings, Vampire Counts, and Vampire Coast.

    I just don't see it happening as a race pack. There are so many more interesting places things could go, new cultures to develop and exotic units and tactics to explore instead of mashing together the undead factions.
  • ErathilErathil Registered Users Posts: 1,084

    Why would Walach Harkon be part of Nagash's faction? He's a vampire and should be part of the Vampire Counts.

    Walach Harkon was one of the nine Mortachs, Nagash's lieutenants in the End Times.

    Five of them are already in game; Arkhan the Black, Vlad von Carstein, Mannfred von Carstein, Krell, and Luthor Harkon.

    This is a good example of how Legions of Nagash doesn't have anything unique to offer. Making it into a full race would just involve pilfering lords from already established races with unique identities.
  • saweendrasaweendra Registered Users Posts: 13,760
    ArneSo said:

    4 LLs:
    - Nagash
    - The Nameless
    - Dieter Helsnicht
    - Walach Harkon

    2 Lords:
    - Dread King
    - Cairn Wraith Lord

    3 Heroes:
    - Cairn Wraith Hero
    - Morghast Hero
    - Wight King

    New units:
    - Morghast Archai
    - Morghast Harbingers
    - Dread Abyssals
    - Nagashizzar Guard (4 variants)
    - Bone Golems
    - Glooms
    - Ghosts
    - Spirit Hosts
    - Carion Riders
    - Cairn Wraith Unit Champion
    - Embalmed Ones
    - Unquiet Horsemen

    The rest can be copy pasted from VC and TK or be simple reskins.

    i think you have some thing but unfortunately it doesn't have any unifying army theme or a major play style , or race mechanic .


    but none the less it can be edited to work
    #givemoreunitsforbrettonia, my bret dlc
  • AmonkhetAmonkhet Registered Users Posts: 6,885

    Why would Walach Harkon be part of Nagash's faction? He's a vampire and should be part of the Vampire Counts.

    He's a Mortarch. Also, for Blood Dragons we have Aborash and Red Duke anyway for Vampire Counts.
    Albion would make the perfect Total War Warhammer 3 pre-order; with Hengus the Druid and Bran MacKerog as Legendary Lords.
  • ScreamimgEnvyScreamimgEnvy Registered Users Posts: 681
    Erathil said:

    Legions of Nagash is a terrible idea for an independent race, and I don't think it's a good fit for a playable faction.

    It has no identity, unique tactics, and exactly two unique units. Any interpretation of it would primarily be pilfering units and assets from Tomb Kings, Vampire Counts, and Vampire Coast.

    I just don't see it happening as a race pack. There are so many more interesting places things could go, new cultures to develop and exotic units and tactics to explore instead of mashing together the undead factions.

    Look! Undead Legion is the new Anti-Monos 2.0
    People used to spam the same speculations against Monogods and Cathay.
    Team Monogods - Team Nurgle

  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Registered Users Posts: 3,215
    Ludbone said:

    Ingr8 said:

    Like this:



    As long as the master is correctly presented I will have no.complaints about the rest of the faction

    What the hell is this abomination?! Yikes! What a terrible model.

    ET did something right. . . turning that 80's Teletubbies version of Nagash into a proper Death God as he should be.
    It looks like a Necromancer unlike the abomination that is the ET model

    She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.

    The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
  • AmonkhetAmonkhet Registered Users Posts: 6,885
    Erathil said:

    Legions of Nagash is a terrible idea for an independent race, and I don't think it's a good fit for a playable faction.

    It has no identity, unique tactics, and exactly two unique units. Any interpretation of it would primarily be pilfering units and assets from Tomb Kings, Vampire Counts, and Vampire Coast.

    I just don't see it happening as a race pack. There are so many more interesting places things could go, new cultures to develop and exotic units and tactics to explore instead of mashing together the undead factions.

    If you take inspiration from Age of Sigmar's undead and warhammer fantasy its about as easy as inventing Cathay and Kislev, and Monogods.
    Albion would make the perfect Total War Warhammer 3 pre-order; with Hengus the Druid and Bran MacKerog as Legendary Lords.
  • TheGuardianOfMetalTheGuardianOfMetal Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 14,679
    edited May 11

    Ludbone said:

    Ingr8 said:

    Like this:



    As long as the master is correctly presented I will have no.complaints about the rest of the faction

    What the hell is this abomination?! Yikes! What a terrible model.

    ET did something right. . . turning that 80's Teletubbies version of Nagash into a proper Death God as he should be.
    It looks like a Necromancer unlike the abomination that is the ET model
    THAT Is Derpface McGee. When Nagash comes, it will be the glory that is the End Times model! WORTHY OF THE GREAT NECROMANCER!

    The old model was designed as Derpy as the designer could, because he wanted to give him the look of decaying corpse.

    Nagash IS NOT "just" A necromancer anymore. He is a Liche, like Arkhan...

    Ingr8 said:

    Like this:



    As long as the master is correctly presented I will have no.complaints about the rest of the faction

    Yes pre end times Nagash is the way
    No, it's not.



    Also:

    Arkhan Old:


    Arkhan new:



    Arkhan Game:


    So the Nagash (and Thanquol, though I'd love to get the other Bonerippers) will look like his End Times model.




    Also, Nagash of course should come with 4 LLs: Himself, Wallach, Nameless, Helsnicht.
    #RIP BORIS! KILLED BY CA AND GW WITH SHORTSIGHTED CRUELTY JUST TO SHOVE KOSTALTYN DOWN OUR THROATS!

    The Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!

    Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!

    Every wrong is recorded. Every slight against us, page after page, ETCHED IN BLOOD!

    Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
    'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
  • ScreamimgEnvyScreamimgEnvy Registered Users Posts: 681

    Ludbone said:

    Ingr8 said:

    Like this:



    As long as the master is correctly presented I will have no.complaints about the rest of the faction

    What the hell is this abomination?! Yikes! What a terrible model.

    ET did something right. . . turning that 80's Teletubbies version of Nagash into a proper Death God as he should be.
    It looks like a Necromancer unlike the abomination that is the ET model
    It looks like an idiot. I mean was Nagash supposed to be the God of Clowns prior being the God of Death?
    A Ben10 villain has much more carisma than that Dark Elves-like zombie.
    Team Monogods - Team Nurgle

  • AmonkhetAmonkhet Registered Users Posts: 6,885
    Pre-8th edition models looked so bad.
    Albion would make the perfect Total War Warhammer 3 pre-order; with Hengus the Druid and Bran MacKerog as Legendary Lords.
  • TheGuardianOfMetalTheGuardianOfMetal Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 14,679

    Ludbone said:

    Ingr8 said:

    Like this:



    As long as the master is correctly presented I will have no.complaints about the rest of the faction

    What the hell is this abomination?! Yikes! What a terrible model.

    ET did something right. . . turning that 80's Teletubbies version of Nagash into a proper Death God as he should be.
    It looks like a Necromancer unlike the abomination that is the ET model
    It looks like an idiot. I mean was Nagash supposed to be the God of Clowns prior being the God of Death?
    A Ben10 villain has much more carisma than that Dark Elves-like zombie.
    If it was a Zombie... it's a Dark Elf Like skeleton. The designer originally wanted to give him a "Desiccated Corpse" look. GW wanted a skeleton. The Designer made the design as derpy as is to make GW reconsider... they went with it.
    #RIP BORIS! KILLED BY CA AND GW WITH SHORTSIGHTED CRUELTY JUST TO SHOVE KOSTALTYN DOWN OUR THROATS!

    The Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!

    Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!

    Every wrong is recorded. Every slight against us, page after page, ETCHED IN BLOOD!

    Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
    'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Registered Users Posts: 3,215
    edited May 11

    Ludbone said:

    Ingr8 said:

    Like this:



    As long as the master is correctly presented I will have no.complaints about the rest of the faction

    What the hell is this abomination?! Yikes! What a terrible model.

    ET did something right. . . turning that 80's Teletubbies version of Nagash into a proper Death God as he should be.
    It looks like a Necromancer unlike the abomination that is the ET model
    It looks like an idiot. I mean was Nagash supposed to be the God of Clowns prior being the God of Death?
    A Ben10 villain has much more carisma than that Dark Elves-like zombie.
    He is not a god pre end times and the figure is old a litlle polishing and it is fine. The thing with bonie tenticales on its back does not look like a necromancer

    She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.

    The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
  • ScreamimgEnvyScreamimgEnvy Registered Users Posts: 681

    Ludbone said:

    Ingr8 said:

    Like this:



    As long as the master is correctly presented I will have no.complaints about the rest of the faction

    What the hell is this abomination?! Yikes! What a terrible model.

    ET did something right. . . turning that 80's Teletubbies version of Nagash into a proper Death God as he should be.
    It looks like a Necromancer unlike the abomination that is the ET model
    It looks like an idiot. I mean was Nagash supposed to be the God of Clowns prior being the God of Death?
    A Ben10 villain has much more carisma than that Dark Elves-like zombie.
    The tree handed thing with bonie tenticales on its back does not look like a necromancer
    It looks like what he should look like. The #1 Undead character.
    Not some derp face Teen Titans Go! low tier villain.
    Team Monogods - Team Nurgle

  • ScreamimgEnvyScreamimgEnvy Registered Users Posts: 681

    Ludbone said:

    Ingr8 said:

    Like this:



    As long as the master is correctly presented I will have no.complaints about the rest of the faction

    What the hell is this abomination?! Yikes! What a terrible model.

    ET did something right. . . turning that 80's Teletubbies version of Nagash into a proper Death God as he should be.
    It looks like a Necromancer unlike the abomination that is the ET model
    It looks like an idiot. I mean was Nagash supposed to be the God of Clowns prior being the God of Death?
    A Ben10 villain has much more carisma than that Dark Elves-like zombie.
    If it was a Zombie... it's a Dark Elf Like skeleton. The designer originally wanted to give him a "Desiccated Corpse" look. GW wanted a skeleton. The Designer made the design as derpy as is to make GW reconsider... they went with it.
    Thank God ET Nagash exists.
    Team Monogods - Team Nurgle

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