Will there be any discontent over the daemons rosters? due to what has happened with Kislev

Redknight#3373

With all the complaints about how the certain Kislev units look in the roster I have started to wonder if the Chaos Daemon factions will come under such scrutiny in the same way. As even with Khorne roster I believe we may have only seen 50% of it, then they will have to unveil Nurgle (the best chaos god), Tzeench and Slaanesh.

Also separate from that also there is Cathay which no one really knows really what shape for certain their faction will take. I have seen a lot of fan art, but if it looks completely different from that I believe some people maybe disappointed. The fact is currently as far as I know there is no official Cathay art due to them completely re-imagining the faction.

Itharus#3127

Probably not for Chaos. Chaos is infinitely mutable. The more ****'d up it gets, the better. All it has to do is adhere to the general theme of the associated Dark God of Chaos and it's basically legit.

Cathay is a blank slate. GW might just lazily 1:1 translate Chinese mythology to the faction in an ill-advised attempt to cash in on that market (which won't work because the west never does it right and it just offends them); or they might keep the thematic while actually differentiating it and making it properly Warhammer, but with a Chinese vibe -- something everyone would find better.

We'll see.

But Chaos? It'll be fine unless they turn blood thirsters into a bunch of mewling **** or something.

hillbillymachinegun

Yes, I have a few gripes with some Khorne units and their appearance already, but I won't be flipping any tables or canceling my pre-order because of it.

Gripe 1: ALL Hellblades should be flaming. I don't like that standard Bloodletters and the Bloodletters on the Skullcannon have generic metal blades.

Gripe 2: I don't know why they added glowing arms to the Bloodthirsters. They looked plenty fine in the announcement cinematic, so not sure why they had to change it. Burning eyes looked awesome, but the arms are just over the top and don't look very good in my opinion.

That's pretty much all though.

AnnoyedOneEyedGuy#1444

cant really imagine them mucking up Chaos Daemons, unless they make them complete trash and the greater daemons pushovers but i doubt that (atleast i hope)

and i dont see an issue with Kislev besides the ice being alittle to bright but who cares, i want Khorne's Army to be a power house

Neodeinos#5871

I guess that the people that somehow expect AoS content will be disappointed.

AnnoyedOneEyedGuy#1444

hillbillymachinegun said:

Yes, I have a few gripes with some Khorne units and their appearance already, but I won't be flipping any tables or canceling my pre-order because of it.

Gripe 1: ALL Hellblades should be flaming. I don't like that standard Bloodletters and the Bloodletters on the Skullcannon have generic metal blades.

Gripe 2: I don't know why they added glowing arms to the Bloodthirsters. They looked plenty fine in the announcement cinematic, so not sure why they had to change it. Burning eyes looked awesome, but the arms are just over the top and don't look very good in my opinion.

That's pretty much all though.

pretty sure (guessing) the blades will ignite in flame after they kill 80 units for the Hellblade ability

Markhaus

Not to be insulting, but are you new to the internet? They gave us awesome bear riders, ice magic and a bear made from the land itself and people complained.

People love to complain, and insulting people anonymously on the internet is a favorite pastime to many.

That said, I am really looking forward to wackiness from chaos. I don't play historic total war, or empire, probably won't play much Kislev or Cathay. Heck, I'm disappointed there will be any human units in the demon rosters (going back to people complaining about everything).

hillbillymachinegun

AnnoyedOneEyedGuy said:

hillbillymachinegun said:

Yes, I have a few gripes with some Khorne units and their appearance already, but I won't be flipping any tables or canceling my pre-order because of it.

Gripe 1: ALL Hellblades should be flaming. I don't like that standard Bloodletters and the Bloodletters on the Skullcannon have generic metal blades.

Gripe 2: I don't know why they added glowing arms to the Bloodthirsters. They looked plenty fine in the announcement cinematic, so not sure why they had to change it. Burning eyes looked awesome, but the arms are just over the top and don't look very good in my opinion.

That's pretty much all though.

pretty sure (guessing) they blades will ignite in flame after they kill 80 units for the Hellblade ability

Hope so, that would be cool. Both the standard and exalted Bloodletters had that ability though, and the exalted ones are flaming right off the bat.

#178396

There will always be people who look for something to be upset over. They will also be the most vocal, I’m liking what I see so far.

JollyRogero

Yep. You bet. The furor is just getting started. All those clamoring for monogods believed that having god-specific rosters would get them more daemons and monsters overall. They will be apoplectic when they see half of those rosters are full of minor reskin "mortal filler" marauders and warriors to pad out the roster, with many of their most-looked for favorites set aside as monster showpieces for future DLC

They will feel cheated. They got what they wanted after years of fighting viciously in the monogods forum debate - but they didn't get what they wanted in precisely the way they wanted it because they weren't specific enough. That reckoning will be a meltdown.

Redknight#3373

hillbillymachinegun said:

Yes, I have a few gripes with some Khorne units and their appearance already, but I won't be flipping any tables or canceling my pre-order because of it.

Gripe 1: ALL Hellblades should be flaming. I don't like that standard Bloodletters and the Bloodletters on the Skullcannon have generic metal blades.

Gripe 2: I don't know why they added glowing arms to the Bloodthirsters. They looked plenty fine in the announcement cinematic, so not sure why they had to change it. Burning eyes looked awesome, but the arms are just over the top and don't look very good in my opinion.

That's pretty much all though.

I might be wrong about this but I think how total war has handled Bloodletters they have two.

They have the Bloodletters and Exalted Bloodletter, but for some reason only the exalted one have the flaming hellblades

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Redknight#3373

Markhaus said:

Not to be insulting, but are you new to the internet? They gave us awesome bear riders, ice magic and a bear made from the land itself and people complained.

People love to complain, and insulting people anonymously on the internet is a favorite pastime to many.

That said, I am really looking forward to wackiness from chaos. I don't play historic total war, or empire, probably won't play much Kislev or Cathay. Heck, I'm disappointed there will be any human units in the demon rosters (going back to people complaining about everything).

Well you my friend clearly have a short fuse 😁, be well

ArchRanger

I'm sure there will be. Mixture of Chaos not getting the LLs people want (I personally don't see Monogods getting more than 4 LLs each, maybe less if WoC gets mortal LLs and if DoC becomes a full undivided faction), potential AoS units being included, Soulgrinders, and new GW units that old Warhammer fans don't approve of (see New Kislev).

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Itharus#3127

Neodeinos said:

I guess that the people that somehow expect AoS content will be disappointed.

Hopefully so.

That's what TW: AoS will be for.

Itharus#3127

GingerRoeBro said:

Nah, in fact, we'll probably end up with a lot of newfound salt mines over how much better the mono's are.

As much as I hate Ginger sometimes, he might have a point here. Table Top releases of Chaos are ALWAYS new levels of over the top sickeningly OP stuff that **** off every* other fan of the hobby as they wait 5 years for their forces to be made reasonable against them... at which point the next Chaos book drops.

This game following suit might be plausible.

*Space Marine players excepted.

Djau#5149

Well, looking at Spawn of Khorne and what little we seen of Khornate Marauders; they look like reskins. It remains to be seen tho how much unique, new stuff has been added to make them different from each other...since AoS is out of bounds.

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#568367

redknight83 said:

With all the complaints about how the certain Kislev units look in the roster I have started to wonder if the Chaos Daemon factions will come under such scrutiny in the same way. As even with Khorne roster I believe we may have only seen 50% of it, then they will have to unveil Nurgle (the best chaos god), Tzeench and Slaanesh.

Also separate from that also there is Cathay which no one really knows really what shape for certain their faction will take. I have seen a lot of fan art, but if it looks completely different from that I believe some people maybe disappointed. The fact is currently as far as I know there is no official Cathay art due to them completely re-imagining the faction.

You're comparing Apples to Oranges dude.


Unlike Kislev, Daemons are Chaos are PURE 200% fantasy unfiltered, they are WTF-manifest by design.


Does that mean they will be free from scrutiny? Hell no, lol. But it'd probably be completely different flavour of scrutiny. Take Khorne for example, what we've seen so far consists of nothing but lazy recolours, slight remodels, weapon variants, more weapon variants, and EVEN MORE WEAPON VARIANTS.



And I'm predicting there might be controversy over Slaaneshi designs one way or another. But hey, what the hell else is this forum for?

korradokorto

id be pretty happy if Khorne will actually look like a demon race, doesnt seem to be the case though.

GrimgorsAxe#7537

What most concerns me is whether or not all Monogods will wind up with only one way to play them. Oh sure, it's fine for Khorne to emphasise melee all the time; he's the Smashy Guy god. But Tzeentch isn't like that. He can't be placed into boxes like "the Magic God" or "the Sneaky God" without placing emphasis on a single aspect of him to the detriment of the others. Likewise I hope Nurgle and Slaanesh don't get stuck with "slow tanky melee" and "fast flanky DPS melee" as their only dimensions respectively.

CountTalabecland#2471

What Kislev roster? The whole thing hasn’t been released yet

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

There already has been and there will be more hilarity to come.

Itharus#3127

GingerRoeBro said:

Itharus said:

GingerRoeBro said:

Nah, in fact, we'll probably end up with a lot of newfound salt mines over how much better the mono's are.

As much as I hate Ginger sometimes,

No need for hostility.

*head pats*

It's frustration more than hostility

Draxynnic#3149

I expect arguments over whether AoS and/or End Times content should have been included. These are inevitable. If they are included, some people who don't like that will complain, while if they're not included, some people who have embraced the additional differentiation that the AoS content has brought to monogods will complain. There is no possible implementation that will not attract complaints.

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

It's the same thing with bears and Ice. People will find anything and express opinions over it. When people express opinions there will be discontent.

This'll happen for the major and minor races regardless of quality. People have wanted this stuff for years. If it doesn't match their expectations it'll cause discontent.

Valkaar#2507

Yeah people are ALREADY complaining. Off the top of my head I've seen these threads multiple times:

Bloodthirsters aren't 'elite enough' apparently.

They're also too brutish and don't sound 'sophisticated' enough.

Too many of the mortal units in the Khorne roster seem recycled.

The red is too 'glowy' in its shade instead of being metallic.

It's bad there are mortals on the roster to begin with. It should have Daemons only.

Meanwhile, there aren't ENOUGH mortals on the Daemon rosters, they should each launch with mortal LL's, while the Daemon's should be reserved as something rare, elite, with zero Daemon chaff. The fact that there are 'chaff' Daemons is ruining the game.

^^all just off the top of my head from the past couple weeks.

Trust me, once we focus on the Daemons full force, there will be a TON more where that came from.

#568367

Draxynnic said:

I expect arguments over whether AoS and/or End Times content should have been included. These are inevitable. If they are included, some people who don't like that will complain, while if they're not included, some people who have embraced the additional differentiation that the AoS content has brought to monogods will complain. There is no possible implementation that will not attract complaints.

If they don't include the AoS roster, then CA damn well better find something more inspired than lazy recolours and weapon variants to flesh out the incredibly tiny rosters


Like outright create new units with GW's help that actually fleshes them out and give them character (not Chaos Spawn, but green!)

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

GreenColoured said:

Draxynnic said:

I expect arguments over whether AoS and/or End Times content should have been included. These are inevitable. If they are included, some people who don't like that will complain, while if they're not included, some people who have embraced the additional differentiation that the AoS content has brought to monogods will complain. There is no possible implementation that will not attract complaints.

If they don't include the AoS roster, then CA damn well better find something more inspired than lazy recolours and weapon variants to flesh out the incredibly tiny rosters


Like outright create new units with GW's help that actually fleshes them out and give them character (not Chaos Spawn, but green!)

Just FYI CA literally said AoS units aren't coming. So I doubt we'll see them in any form.

I do expect the rosters to be significantly different otherwise there's no point in Monos, but AoS definitely isn't coming unless CA lied by choice.

Itharus#3127

Vanilla_Gorilla said:

GreenColoured said:

Draxynnic said:

I expect arguments over whether AoS and/or End Times content should have been included. These are inevitable. If they are included, some people who don't like that will complain, while if they're not included, some people who have embraced the additional differentiation that the AoS content has brought to monogods will complain. There is no possible implementation that will not attract complaints.

If they don't include the AoS roster, then CA damn well better find something more inspired than lazy recolours and weapon variants to flesh out the incredibly tiny rosters


Like outright create new units with GW's help that actually fleshes them out and give them character (not Chaos Spawn, but green!)

Just FYI CA literally said AoS units aren't coming. So I doubt we'll see them in any form.

I do expect the rosters to be significantly different otherwise there's no point in Monos, but AoS definitely isn't coming unless CA lied by choice.

They never said no AoS models though. Sometimes the units overlap.