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I expect arguments over whether AoS and/or End Times content should have been included. These are inevitable. If they are included, some people who don't like that will complain, while if they're not included, some people who have embraced the additional differentiation that the AoS content has brought to monogods will complain. There is no possible implementation that will not attract complaints.
If they don't include the AoS roster, then CA damn well better find something more inspired than lazy recolours and weapon variants to flesh out the incredibly tiny rosters
Like outright create new units with GW's help that actually fleshes them out and give them character (not Chaos Spawn, but green!)
Just FYI CA literally said AoS units aren't coming. So I doubt we'll see them in any form.
I do expect the rosters to be significantly different otherwise there's no point in Monos, but AoS definitely isn't coming unless CA lied by choice.
They never said no AoS models though. Sometimes the units overlap.
Absolutely.
I'd just limit models to strictly what was in WHFB and Demons. The chances of a pure AoS model making it in, in any form is unlikely.
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I expect arguments over whether AoS and/or End Times content should have been included. These are inevitable. If they are included, some people who don't like that will complain, while if they're not included, some people who have embraced the additional differentiation that the AoS content has brought to monogods will complain. There is no possible implementation that will not attract complaints.
If they don't include the AoS roster, then CA damn well better find something more inspired than lazy recolours and weapon variants to flesh out the incredibly tiny rosters
Like outright create new units with GW's help that actually fleshes them out and give them character (not Chaos Spawn, but green!)
That'd just open up new lines of complaint! Fans of the AoS rosters could complain that they've made something new that has little resemblance to the AoS interpretations of the gods! AoS haters could still complain that the direction that was taken with the new units is not the direction that they think should have been taken, or just generally have the "it's new so I don't like it!" kind of griping. And fans of other races, particularly races that are perceived as having been neglected, could start going "Why is all this stuff being made up for Chaos and not for (insert race here)?"
Doesn't really matter what they do, complaints are as inevitable as death and taxes.
It kind of depends on how they look doesn’t it? If they add Plague Bearers in hazmat suits tossing diapers I might be a bit miffed. But I haven’t seen those yet. But I guess it’s a fun exercise to try and come up with possible unit aesthetics that we don’t want to see?
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Honestly, man, have you ever had to crack open the diaper bin to empty it? There's little warp portals spewing nurglings out in those things some times.
With insight from the last few years, of course there will be. Any missing unit, unit change, unit variant, power or weakness, graphical element and voice acting will be dissected and complained against.
And most of these won’t lead to any change. Not that it’s a bad thing overall.
There'll be complaints as sure as the sun will rise, complaining is the reason the internet exist, but I wouldn't worry too much about it. Even with Kislev, where they obviously veered from player expectation, the reception was largely positive. You had a vocal few screaming into the void that is the internet through their keyboards, but it really hasn't detered interest in the game as a whole.
Each of the four monos will have detractors doing the same. Shouting in the vain hope somebody actually gives a damn about their personal taste. But unless CA completely loses the plot between now and release, it'll continue to be just a handful shouting into silence. Don't let it affect your perception of the product. Just determine whether or not you agree with the direction CA went then speak with your wallet.
If there are more than 2 units of demons the small minority will jump up and down and say demons are not that common in our world and so should not be common in a magical fantasy world. They have a point I suppose, most magicians in our world would find it hard to bind so many demons.
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There'll be complaints as sure as the sun will rise, complaining is the reason the internet exist, but I wouldn't worry too much about it. Even with Kislev, where they obviously veered from player expectation, the reception was largely positive. You had a vocal few screaming into the void that is the internet through their keyboards, but it really hasn't detered interest in the game as a whole.
Each of the four monos will have detractors doing the same. Shouting in the vain hope somebody actually gives a damn about their personal taste. But unless CA completely loses the plot between now and release, it'll continue to be just a handful shouting into silence. Don't let it affect your perception of the product. Just determine whether or not you agree with the direction CA went then speak with your wallet.
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There's a couple ways they could "F" up monogods for me.
1) Not implement any/enough marked Beastmen, and seeing how there's already 4 weapon variants of Warriors of Khorne and not a single Beastman of Khorne implemented it looks like they are already making that mistake.
2) Being way too conservative in their implementation of the different gods. If it turns out that Monogods is just Warriors of Chaos with 4 different paint schemes and no distinct difference in play style its gonna be a let down. In the same vein it they don't do "enough" work to differentiate them aesthetically and they are all cheap re-colors/skins I'm going to be disappointed. I mean the whole point of monogods is that it should give the resources necessary for good proper artistic development of the chaos gods. So far the Khorne Warriors look good but I'm waiting to see the other gods who should be more aesthetically distinct from the WoC than Khorne is and furthermore I have yet to see chaos marauders of the various gods, they better not all look like Norscan Warriors.
Complains will happen, opinions are like an ass, everyone has one, that means that there will always be someone who isn't happy about something and will complain about it.
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But the monogods, aka the chaos faction are easier to design and honestly GW rarely dropped the ball on that one.
Except the Beastmen... They've been dropping that ball for decades now, don't be shocked when they do it some more.
Said that in those beastmen threads years ago but it was a death spiral : people in general weren't buying/loving BM as much as other stuff so more things added to the CW and daemon sides -> so even less people interested. (bretonnia was a victim of the same process)
Plus the "fantasy" of the beastmen is harder to sell. They are the outcast, the lesser branch of chaos. Warriors are the chosen, elite. Daemon are just raw chaos, BM are uh, well creatures that aren't as badass as daemons and not even liked by the gods. They kinda feel like the fodder you face in games, like goblins. But goblins at least have an humorous side to them and so much the underdog it actually can be enticing to play as them.
But the monogods, aka the chaos faction are easier to design and honestly GW rarely dropped the ball on that one.
Except the Beastmen... They've been dropping that ball for decades now, don't be shocked when they do it some more.
Said that in those beastmen threads years ago but it was a death spiral : people in general weren't buying/loving BM as much as other stuff so more things added to the CW and daemon sides -> so even less people interested. (bretonnia was a victim of the same process)
Plus the "fantasy" of the beastmen is harder to sell. They are the outcast, the lesser branch of chaos. Warriors are the chosen, elite. Daemon are just raw chaos, BM are uh, well creatures that aren't as badass as daemons and not even liked by the gods. They kinda feel like the fodder you face in games, like goblins. But goblins at least have an humorous side to them and so much the underdog it actually can be enticing to play as them.
And even more importantly you can still field goblins with the Élite Black Orks if you wish, I always liked the Beastmen more than the WoC.
2) Being way too conservative in their implementation of the different gods. If it turns out that Monogods is just Warriors of Chaos with 4 different paint schemes and no distinct difference in play style its gonna be a let down. In the same vein it they don't do "enough" work to differentiate them aesthetically and they are all cheap re-colors/skins I'm going to be disappointed. I mean the whole point of monogods is that it should give the resources necessary for good proper artistic development of the chaos gods. So far the Khorne Warriors look good but I'm waiting to see the other gods who should be more aesthetically distinct from the WoC than Khorne is and furthermore I have yet to see chaos marauders of the various gods, they better not all look like Norscan Warriors.
This is pretty much my litmus test. I don't personally mind too much how it's done (although perhaps I should wait until I see how it's done before I say that, they might find an approach that makes me go full WTF), but if they're making monogods separate races, they need to make them feel really distinct.
Four sets of all but identical Chaos Warriors with the daemonic units being the only significant differences between them is what I'm most afraid of for monogods.
2) Being way too conservative in their implementation of the different gods. If it turns out that Monogods is just Warriors of Chaos with 4 different paint schemes and no distinct difference in play style its gonna be a let down. In the same vein it they don't do "enough" work to differentiate them aesthetically and they are all cheap re-colors/skins I'm going to be disappointed. I mean the whole point of monogods is that it should give the resources necessary for good proper artistic development of the chaos gods. So far the Khorne Warriors look good but I'm waiting to see the other gods who should be more aesthetically distinct from the WoC than Khorne is and furthermore I have yet to see chaos marauders of the various gods, they better not all look like Norscan Warriors.
This is pretty much my litmus test. I don't personally mind too much how it's done (although perhaps I should wait until I see how it's done before I say that, they might find an approach that makes me go full WTF), but if they're making monogods separate races, they need to make them feel really distinct.
Four sets of all but identical Chaos Warriors with the daemonic units being the only significant differences between them is what I'm most afraid of for monogods.
And unfortunately we aren't out of the woods on that yet with what little has been revealed.
Khorne is the most similar to base WoC and while the Warriors of Khorne are looking good they aren't exactly enough to push me out of the "Just Reskins" camp yet, we'll have to see the other gods first. The Daemons are looking good too but the Exaulted Bloodletters aren't exactly an inspiring "Creative" addition, and Marked Beastmen are conspicuously absent.
There'll be complaints as sure as the sun will rise, complaining is the reason the internet exist, but I wouldn't worry too much about it. Even with Kislev, where they obviously veered from player expectation, the reception was largely positive. You had a vocal few screaming into the void that is the internet through their keyboards, but it really hasn't detered interest in the game as a whole.
Each of the four monos will have detractors doing the same. Shouting in the vain hope somebody actually gives a damn about their personal taste. But unless CA completely loses the plot between now and release, it'll continue to be just a handful shouting into silence. Don't let it affect your perception of the product. Just determine whether or not you agree with the direction CA went then speak with your wallet.
WELL TECHNICALLY!!!!!!!!!!
The sun doesn't "rise" per se... we just spin around to face it again.
There'll be complaints as sure as the sun will rise, complaining is the reason the internet exist, but I wouldn't worry too much about it. Even with Kislev, where they obviously veered from player expectation, the reception was largely positive. You had a vocal few screaming into the void that is the internet through their keyboards, but it really hasn't detered interest in the game as a whole.
Each of the four monos will have detractors doing the same. Shouting in the vain hope somebody actually gives a damn about their personal taste. But unless CA completely loses the plot between now and release, it'll continue to be just a handful shouting into silence. Don't let it affect your perception of the product. Just determine whether or not you agree with the direction CA went then speak with your wallet.
WELL TECHNICALLY!!!!!!!!!!
The sun doesn't "rise" per se... we just spin around to face it again.
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I'd just limit models to strictly what was in WHFB and Demons. The chances of a pure AoS model making it in, in any form is unlikely.
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3 · Disagree 3AgreeAnd most of these won’t lead to any change. Not that it’s a bad thing overall.
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0 · Disagree AgreeIf there are more than 2 units of demons the small minority will jump up and down and say demons are not that common in our world and so should not be common in a magical fantasy world.
They have a point I suppose, most magicians in our world would find it hard to bind so many demons.
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1 · Disagree 1Agree1) Not implement any/enough marked Beastmen, and seeing how there's already 4 weapon variants of Warriors of Khorne and not a single Beastman of Khorne implemented it looks like they are already making that mistake.
2) Being way too conservative in their implementation of the different gods. If it turns out that Monogods is just Warriors of Chaos with 4 different paint schemes and no distinct difference in play style its gonna be a let down. In the same vein it they don't do "enough" work to differentiate them aesthetically and they are all cheap re-colors/skins I'm going to be disappointed. I mean the whole point of monogods is that it should give the resources necessary for good proper artistic development of the chaos gods. So far the Khorne Warriors look good but I'm waiting to see the other gods who should be more aesthetically distinct from the WoC than Khorne is and furthermore I have yet to see chaos marauders of the various gods, they better not all look like Norscan Warriors.
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1 · 1Disagree 1AgreeIf Kislev really have to make more "interesting" is a different topic on that.
But the monogods, aka the chaos faction are easier to design and honestly GW rarely dropped the ball on that one.
So I imagine no, i literally can't imagine ca could "add" to much mortals, demons, mutant and monsters to them.
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0 · 1Disagree AgreePlus the "fantasy" of the beastmen is harder to sell. They are the outcast, the lesser branch of chaos. Warriors are the chosen, elite. Daemon are just raw chaos, BM are uh, well creatures that aren't as badass as daemons and not even liked by the gods. They kinda feel like the fodder you face in games, like goblins. But goblins at least have an humorous side to them and so much the underdog it actually can be enticing to play as them.
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0 · Disagree AgreeFour sets of all but identical Chaos Warriors with the daemonic units being the only significant differences between them is what I'm most afraid of for monogods.
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0 · Disagree AgreeKhorne is the most similar to base WoC and while the Warriors of Khorne are looking good they aren't exactly enough to push me out of the "Just Reskins" camp yet, we'll have to see the other gods first. The Daemons are looking good too but the Exaulted Bloodletters aren't exactly an inspiring "Creative" addition, and Marked Beastmen are conspicuously absent.
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