Greater Daemons as Starting LLs for base game

The_Radude

With Skarbrand being shown as the starting LL for Khorne's faction, I think it guarantees the starting LLs of the other Chaos factions will be greater daemons.

Ku'gath Plaguefather for Nurgle


Kairos Fateweaver for Tzeentch


N'Kari for Slaneesh

PissedOffOneEyedGuy

of course it guarantees the other chaos factions will be lead by Greater Daemons

UberReptilian

As it should be.

KirGeo

My bet is 99% on these. Unless CA want to subvert expectations.

The_Radude

AnnoyedOneEyedGuy said:

of course it guarantees the other chaos factions will be lead by Greater Daemons

I was talking about monogod factions. I doubt Warriors Undivided and Chaos dwarfs will be lead by greater daemons.

But I think Chaos Daemons Undivided will be a surprise faction near the end lead by Be'lakor

The_Radude

KirGeo said:

My bet is 99% on these. Unless CA want to subvert expectations.

I doubt they'll pull a Rian Johnson or Season 8 GoT on us for the main factions. Maybe the preorder race or the 9th LL but those are expected to be surprises.

But you can argue Kostaltyn subverted expectations

Labria

Yes. This make most sense.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if we will really get whole Daemons of Chaos army book at launch except named heralds. Khorne already got all his daemons units.

EarthDragon

Tzeentch is the one I would watch out for just being a cult leader starting over in Cathay

Pocman

I expect two demons and two mortals.

KirGeo

Ingr8 said:

The Lord of Change may be an exception as we already have Sarthorael in the game.

Is Sarthorael special in any way? Thought it was a generic Lord of change. They might just add it to the Lord of change name pool.

uriak

N'Kari is the one not having a specific model nor rules. Maybe he'll stay a plot device and we'll get another named KoS.

And he's pretty famous for having got his butt handed to him quite often by the elves (okay super duper characters but still)

CaesarSahlertz

uriak said:

N'Kari is the one not having a specific model nor rules. Maybe he'll stay a plot device and we'll get another named KoS.

Ku'gath never had a model either..

Eth3ryas

The_Radude said:

AnnoyedOneEyedGuy said:

of course it guarantees the other chaos factions will be lead by Greater Daemons

I was talking about monogod factions. I doubt Warriors Undivided and Chaos dwarfs will be lead by greater daemons.

But I think Chaos Daemons Undivided will be a surprise faction near the end lead by Be'lakor

People say that and it's true I have no idea who the 9th LL could be. But if CA said 6 factions it's going to be 6 factions.

Neodeinos

KirGeo said:

Ingr8 said:

The Lord of Change may be an exception as we already have Sarthorael in the game.

Is Sarthorael special in any way? Thought it was a generic Lord of change. They might just add it to the Lord of change name pool.

He has nothing special and doesn't even exist in the lore. We're 100% getting Kairos.

AxiosXiphos

Pocman said:

I expect two demons and two mortals.

Expect to be disappointed.

Pocman

AxiosXiphos said:

Pocman said:

I expect two demons and two mortals.

Expect to be disappointed.

Nope, I don't really care. It's more of "I expect it to be that way", not a "i want it to be that way"


What is the point of going the mono route if you barely use the mortal side of the roster?

SerPus

Pocman said:

What is the point of going the mono route if you barely use the mortal side of the roster?

Judging from what we've seen, there are a lot of mortal stuff in the rosters. Which is expected because daemons alone don't have enough units for four races.

LordSolarMach

Eth3ryas said:

People say that and it's true I have no idea who the 9th LL could be. But if CA said 6 factions it's going to be 6 factions.

CA would say 6 Races as if they said there'd be 7, and then one turned out to be wholly made up of units pulled from the other 6, people would flip out.

So the marketing says six (with a "bonus" Daemons Undivided revealed later).

Red_Dox

Pocman said:

I expect two demons and two mortals.

In 2024+ longterm maybe.
Each god gets one (1) LL at start. Skarbrand is the first revealed, so the Greater Daemon theory

seems to be the way until they reveal the next gods LL and it might not be a Greater Daemon.

Eth3ryas said:

People say that and it's true I have no idea who the 9th LL could be. But if CA said 6 factions it's going to be 6 factions.

Careful here. The exact wording was

What races will be available in Total War: WARHAMMER III at launch?

We are excited to be able to confirm that Total War: WARHAMMER III contains a wider selection of individual races than any previous Total War: WARHAMMER core title.

Deep within the realms of Chaos the four Ruinous Powers of Nurgle, Slaanesh, Tzeentch, and Khorne prepare for war and two mighty kingdoms stand sentinel: the stern warriors of Kislev and the vast empire of Grand Cathay.

https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-iii-faq/
They never specified it will stick to 6. They can still make a surprise reveal later. Same as with Skaven for TWW2.

-----Red Dox

Pocman

Red_Dox said:

Pocman said:

I expect two demons and two mortals.

In 2024+ longterm maybe.
Each god gets one (1) LL at start. Skarbrand is the first revealed, so the Greater Daemon theory

seems to be the way until they reveal the next gods LL and it might not be a Greater Daemon.

Eth3ryas said:

People say that and it's true I have no idea who the 9th LL could be. But if CA said 6 factions it's going to be 6 factions.

Careful here. The exact wording was

What races will be available in Total War: WARHAMMER III at launch?

We are excited to be able to confirm that Total War: WARHAMMER III contains a wider selection of individual races than any previous Total War: WARHAMMER core title.

Deep within the realms of Chaos the four Ruinous Powers of Nurgle, Slaanesh, Tzeentch, and Khorne prepare for war and two mighty kingdoms stand sentinel: the stern warriors of Kislev and the vast empire of Grand Cathay.

https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-iii-faq/
They never specified it will stick to 6. They can still make a surprise reveal later. Same as with Skaven for TWW2.

-----Red Dox

I meant for the release. Like Khorne gets Skarbrand, Slaanesh gets Nakari, Tzeentch gets Vilitch and Nurgle Tamurkhan or whoever.

Djau

What could likely happen....

Core Game LLs: Greater Daemons
DLC 1 LLs: Mortals
DLC 2 LLs: Named Heralds
DLC 3 LLs: Newly-Made God-marked Beastmen LLs
FLC 1: Fan-Favourite God-Marked Character
FLC 2: Fan-Favourite God-Marked Character

This would mean all spectrums of Monogods are covered: Daemons of Chaos, Warriors of Chaos and Beastmen of Chaos

So as an example:

Core Game LL: Kairos Fateweaver
DLC 1 LL: Vilitch the Curseling
DLC 2 LL: The Blue Scribes
DLC 3 LL: Named Tzaangor
FLC 1: The Changeling
FLC 2: Egrimm van Horstmann

Core Game LL: Skarbrand
DLC 1 LL: Valkia the Bloody
DLC 2 LL: U'zhul Skulltaker
DLC 3 LL: Named Khorngor
FLC 1 LL: Arbaal the Undefeated
FLC 2 LL: Egil Styrbjorn

Core Game LL: N'Kari
DLC 1 LL: Named Mortal
DLC 2 LL: Masque of Slaanesh
DLC 3 LL: Named Slaangor
FLC 1 LL: Azazel
FLC 2 LL: Dechala the Denied One

Core Game LL: Ku'Gath the Plaguefather
DLC 1: Glottkin
DLC 2: Epidemus
DLC 3: Named Pestigor
FLC 1: Tamurkhan
FLC 2: Festus the Leechlord

Slaanesh is the tricky one, not a lot of named characters.

Itharus

Pocman said:

I expect two demons and two mortals.

That would horribly **** off the two who got mortals.

ladymissfit

Eh i'm hoping we get some variety. Probably two greater demons and then one named lesser demon and one mortal. All GD's also makes sense but it'd be a bit boring. Besides i thing someone like N'kari could benefit greatly with unique campaign mechanics inherent with Lord packs.

MiniaAr

Greater demons as core, mortal followers as DLC 1 (Valkia, Dechzla, etc) Heralds/minor deamons as DLC 2/FLC1 and a final FLC or DLC with one of the most known character for each God.

There are more than enough Chaos characters out there for CA not to have to create named BM lords for Monogods. I don't think CA is looking for the backlash.

DeadpoolSW

Amonkhet said:

What could likely happen....

Core Game LLs: Greater Daemons
DLC 1 LLs: Mortals
DLC 2 LLs: Named Heralds
DLC 3 LLs: Newly-Made God-marked Beastmen LLs
FLC 1: Fan-Favourite God-Marked Character
FLC 2: Fan-Favourite God-Marked Character

This would mean all spectrums of Monogods are covered: Daemons of Chaos, Warriors of Chaos and Beastmen of Chaos

So as an example:

Core Game LL: Kairos Fateweaver
DLC 1 LL: Vilitch the Curseling
DLC 2 LL: The Blue Scribes
DLC 3 LL: Named Tzaangor
FLC 1: The Changeling
FLC 2: Egrimm van Horstmann

Core Game LL: Skarbrand
DLC 1 LL: Valkia the Bloody
DLC 2 LL: U'zhul Skulltaker
DLC 3 LL: Named Khorngor
FLC 1 LL: Arbaal the Undefeated
FLC 2 LL: Egil Styrbjorn

Core Game LL: N'Kari
DLC 1 LL: Named Mortal
DLC 2 LL: Masque of Slaanesh
DLC 3 LL: Named Slaangor
FLC 1 LL: Azazel
FLC 2 LL: Dechala the Denied One

Core Game LL: Ku'Gath the Plaguefather
DLC 1: Glottkin
DLC 2: Epidemus
DLC 3: Named Pestigor
FLC 1: Tamurkhan
FLC 2: Festus the Leechlord

Slaanesh is the tricky one, not a lot of named characters.

I'm not sure about whether Beastmen will even be present in monos, so my hope/expectation is:

Core Game LLs: Greater Daemons
DLC 1 LLs: Mortals
DLC 2 LLs: Fan-Favourite God-Marked Character
FLC 1: Named Heralds
FLC 2: Fan-Favourite God-Marked Character
FLC/DLC 3: (depends on how much content is available for each god): Fan-Favourite God-Marked Character

Core Game LL: Kairos Fateweaver
DLC 1: Vilitch the Curseling
DLC 2: The Blue Scribes
FLC 1: The Changeling
FLC 2: Egrimm van Horstmann
FLC/DLC 3: Aekold Helbrass

Core Game LL: Skarbrand
DLC 1 LL: Valkia the Bloody
DLC 2: Arbaal the Undefeated
FLC 1 LL: Skulltaker
FLC 2 LL: Egil Styrbjorn
FLC/DLC 3: Skarr Bloodwrath

Core Game LL: N'Kari
DLC 1 LL: Dechala the Denied One
DLC 2 LL: Azazel
FLC 1 LL: Masque of Slaanesh
FLC 2 LL: Styrkaar
Bonus FLC: Sigvald

Core Game LL: Ku'Gath the Plaguefather
DLC 1: Tamurkhan
DLC 2: Glottkin
FLC 1: Epidemius
FLC 2: Festus the Leechlord
FLC/DLC 3: Gutrot Spume

MiniaAr

This is a really solid list @DeadpoolSW
CA's promise to have us face the "full horrors of chaos" in Game 3 would be fulfilled if those characters are indeed the ones they chose.