The Future of Bretonnia with DLC

Cosmic_Lich · July 3

When people bring up the idea of a Bretonnian DLC there is consistently a portion of the responses talking about how Bretonnia is FLC and should always stay FLC. I've made and remade the following arguments and will probably come back and edit them with improvements if I think of any. I hope I can convince these people that Bretonnia can, should, and will get a paid DLC expansion.
TLDR at the bottom.

Stop thinking of Bretonnia as the 'FLC faction.'

As with the nature of what FLC actually is, it is a content update that needs whatever DLC or Base game to actually use it. For example, Vlad and Isabella are not free. They were a free addition to the VCounts after launch, but being FLC doesn't matter if you don't buy the first game. The same logic applies with any of the base factions of the first game. As it stands now, Vlad and Isabella are base characters for Warhammer 1.

With the release of Thorek Ironbrow, Dwarfs are now the same exact position as Bretonnia. To play them you just need either base game. I doubt anyone will be brave enough to tell the Dwarf players they shouldn't have any hopes for more DLC content now that they're FLC now.

Bretonnia was a content update for W1. Yet owning W2 now comes with Repanse. This puts Bretonnia in a unique position compared to the rest of the factions. It has become a base faction for both Warhammer 1 & 2. As a result, there is a sect of the community that considers Bretonnia the FLC faction that should stay FLC. That's all they've ever been and that's all they ever will be. Yet as I point out being FLC just makes you part of the base content. Being "FLC" according to CA is just to show new players that the game does have content updates and that Total War is not the type of game with hundreds of different paid DLCs. The Bray Shaman lord is FLC exclusively for people who own the Beastmen race pack and/or the Silence and the Fury lord pack. Being FLC matters only to the people who own either DLC. The same logic applies to Repanse and the other Bretonnian lords who only matter to the owners of the first two games. Some may scoff at this now, but this applies to new players in Warhammer 3 who might not have the first 2 games.

The truth of the matter is that nothing is stopping CA from making a Bretonnian paid DLC save for the lack of Bretonnian content to implement and GW's permission. Calling them the 'FLC faction' is a crutch for... Well, I'm not really sure. They were FLC so they can't get a paid DLC expansion, because of reasons????

These people usually argue that FLC should stay FLC so people can get free content rather than always having to pay for everything. It would leave the player base unhappy to charge players for something that has always been free. Were I to be uncharitable I would say that some of these arguments are by people who don't care about Bretonnia and would rather have Dev time and budget go to other factions. Were I to be charitable to these arguments then I would say that some people genuinely believe that there should be some aspect of new content that should be free to ease the minds of player's wallets. To them Bretonnia as a whole is a good candidate. To them I would say that FLC exists for all factions. A new unit, a new LL, a new generic Lord type can be created for any faction that desperately needs a touch up like the Dwarves with Thorek or the Beastmen with with the Bray Shamen Lord. Bretonnia should not be shackled by an idea of always being free. If there is content to expand on in the size of a DLC then it should be exciting to pay for it rather than a single lord just to play the same faction in a different place.

DLC always brings in more content than FLC. The only exception was Bretonnia's initial race launch. This doesn't matter because they were half complete at launch. People were mad when Warriors of Chaos were a preorder bonus and called it "cut content." Bretonnia was meant to be an at launch base faction, but were probably left incomplete due to budgetary restraints and/or time limitations. Nowadays people speculate what lords and units will be added to the Warriors of Chaos roster, but Bretonnia still suffers the sentiment of being the FLC faction. I challenge anyone to justify this.

Whatever line of reasoning, these people argue that CA can't, shouldn't, or won't make a paid DLC expansion for FLC. To that I say, people thought DLC for DLC wasn't going to happen. Yet Wood Elves and Beastmen exist to disprove that. If CA can put together a DLC full of units for Bretonnia then they will. Bretonnia, like any other faction, has room to grow.

Bretonnia getting more cavalry variety should be welcomed.

Bretonnia has a smaller roster than most and could use a minor expansion. Some people argue that Bretonnia is a specialist faction that should stay as it is. No fancy questing beasts, no fay creatures from the Lady's personal realm; Bretonnia should stay a human faction with mostly normal cavalry and not resort to the power creep of bigger and more powerful monstrous options that weren't even on tabletop. Yet with being a cavalry specialist faction some variety should be welcomed. Imagine new ways to trample your enemies, or indulge in that Arthurian fantasy. If being a heavy cavalry specialist faction meant the same thing to a heavy infantry specialist faction then the Dwarfs wouldn't have Slayers and Gyrocopters.

Some people point out that Bretonnia is complete with nothing left to add. Not only that, but CA EXPANDED on Bretonnia beyond what they had available on table top. I don't care what was on table top. Bretonnia hadn't gotten a new armybook since 6th edition. No on complained when HElves got Rangers and Silverin Guard. Bretonnia, more than most, is desperate for an update in Lore and army.

If we want to pad out the roster with loreful and logical additions, like the Rangers and Silverin Guard, then it could be possible with sword and board weapon variants for Squires and Knights Errant. Even so, units can be taken from the lore or invented if needs be. I now present to you a list of options for Bretonnia that are fully within theme, playstyle, and lore.

Questing beasts as a new monstrous mount option, that isn't flying, would be a cool alternative to hippogryphs. The Questing Beast is not only EXTREMELY FITTING for the Arthurian theme, but there was also already concept art. See the end of this section.
The Sons of Bretonnia, or Lost Sons, could be a mix of Grail Knights, Aspiring Champions, and Doomfire Warlocks, but with questing beast mounts, would be a fantastic addition to Multiplayer and doom stack compositions. Elite units like Grail Knights, low unit count like Aspiring Champions(But still powerful and with minor utility), and units with bound spells like Doomfire Warlocks and Zoats.
A Faceless Hero or Lost Son Hero-variant would finally add the much needed Replenishment that Bretonnia needs. The Faceless could be a peasant buffer while the Lost Son Hero could be similar to the Loremaster of Hoeth, but with mount options. Both could only be available to factions with high Chivalry as both peasant hero and champion of the Lady would only serve good and honourable lords.
Creatures from The Court Beneath/Fay Realm/Haven could mix up the cheap infantry and elite cavalry. This would help expand on the mystical side of Bretonnian military and lore. Definitely don't add dragons, but there are Lake-Lions that could act as more elite and aquatic Chracian War Lions.

Bretonnia has a lot of potential for new, exciting, and thematic units that would add to the playstyle, not take away from it. Even Herrimaults could be added as a semi-elite variant or ROR of the peasant archers. The fact is that expansion is possible. ~~Before you ask, Giant Snails will never be on any list of mine.~~ Giant Snails could act as mini-fortresses with peasant archers on top. I had a talk with a buddy who was around during Oldhammer and he convinced me the idea isn't so bad.

Below is the concept art mentioned with the Questing Beasts. Before you ask I have no idea what those wagon things and flying ships are about, and would greatly appreciate any info on them.

Bretonnia will have its day, just not soon.

The truth is that CA doesn't have a lot to work with to make new units. Everything I described previously were just semi-obscure references in the lore and old concept art. Even if CA wanted to add these to the game they would need GW's permission. The fortunate reality of Bretonnia's state is that they will get a well crafted DLC, but it will probably happen later during TW:Warhammer 3's lifespan. [At the time of this edit] There are rumors about Bretonnia's army almost being finished for the "Old World" setting. This means that Bretonnia may get its DLC sooner than I originally anticipated. Especially considering that Bretonnia was one of the first factions shown in that lore update a few months back. CA worked with GW to make Kislev and they, to my knowledge, didn't even have a fully fledged armybook on the table top. Bretonnia could get the same treatment, but we just don't know when that will happen. If there is ample interest in Bretonnian content then GW and CA will notice. Only then will they decide to create content.

TLDR/Conclusion:

Thinking of Bretonnia as the FLC that therefore can't/shouldn't/won't get a paid DLC expansion is pointless. CA can do as they please if they have something to sell and being FLC doesn't matter. Some would say that Bretonnia has nothing left to add other than characters, but, despite tabletop, Bretonnia does have options in the lore that would add to Bretonnia's playstyle and theme. With GW working on "The Old World," Bretonnia will have its day. It's just a matter of time. All we Bretonnian fans can do now is show interest by playing the faction, making mods, talking and speculating on the various forums, and unironically making memes like this one.

And now a meme of my own design:

Edits: Added to some sentences to better my arguments throughout the post. Updated the "Bretonnia will have its day, just not soon" section to mention of recent rumors of Bretonnia.
More Edits: Changed my stance on Giant Snails. Yes I know I said never. I also added a bit more about Dwarfs being as FLC as Bretonnia.

KirGeo · July 4

Right now Bretonnia and Dwarfs are FLC races. The people saying Bretonnia should never get DLC will have to say the same for Dwarfs.

There is a good chance more game 1 & 2 races will become FLC in game 3.

Like you said there are currently no plans for Bretonnia DLC as there is no content. But if GW gives it an update in The Old World table top there is no controversy in making them a DLC.

Xenos7777 · July 4

well, you convinced me. Questing Beasts, Sons of Bretonnia and Herrimaults would make for a great DLC.

Tanegashima_Tokitaka · July 4

With the addition of Thorek Ironbrow as a FLC the Dwarfs have also become a core faction of both Warhammer 1 & 2, so Bretonnia's situation is not so unique. Apart from that I basically agree with everything you said.

Blaced · July 4

I love to see holy hand grenade for Bretonnia

arthadaw · July 4

The 4 units I want to see for Bretonnia are:

Questing Beast (Mount+Cav.): Monstrous Mount

Faceless Hero: Ranged Assassin Hero

Herrimault: Better Archers, maybe shoot on the move or Vanguard

Priestess of Shallya: Buffing Hero that bring healing and replenishment

TheGuardianOfMetal · July 4

Kurt Helborg vs Bohemond could be an interesting Lord Pack.

arthadaw said:
Priestess of Shallya: Buffing Hero that bring healing and replenishment

which by logic should be a hero for all old world human factions... heck, the Warrior Priest novel have a Priestess of Shallya as one of hte Main characters.

arthadaw said:
Faceless Hero: Ranged Assassin Hero

iirc the Faceless are the leaders of their groups (and some are rumoured to be GKs) so... why not as Lord?

Rob18446 · July 4

I mean while all of this is great, hasn't CA already turned around and said they consider Brettonia done?

arthadaw · July 4

@TheGuardianOfMetal

Shallya has her cult's seat of power in Bretonnia iirc

And Faceless don't have any LL possibilities, maybe Monfort/Folcard as he is supposed to be less Bretonnian and doesn't shy away against using less orthodox weapons

TheGuardianOfMetal · July 4

arthadaw said:
@TheGuardianOfMetal

Shallya has her cult's seat of power in Bretonnia iirc

And Faceless don't have any LL possibilities, maybe Monfort/Folcard as he is supposed to be less Bretonnian and doesn't shy away against using less orthodox weapons

Bertrand. Just use the Faceless as the generic version of his.

And yeah... the seat of Power is in Couronne... doesn't change that Priests of Shallya are basically everywhere and have a big role in the Empire as well... and Altdorf is an important seat of the Cult of Shallya as well.

Head of the Cult
The Most Holy Matriarch Lisegund (High Priestess of Couronne), High Priestess Anja Gustavson (High Priestess of Altdorf, Head of the Cult in the Empire)

"You..."
PUNCH
"do not..."
KICK
"steal from..."
STOMP
"...the temples of Shallya..."

—A Talabheim thief, Explaining Professional Ethics to a Colleague[2a]

Priestesses of Shallya being available to only one race would be utterly out of character for... well, the Priestesses of Shallya.

Strictures

Avoid killing. It is only permissible in cases or self-defense, or against the servants of the Fly Lord.[4b] (All followers of Shallya take this stricture extremely seriously.)
Never refuse healing to a supplicant genuinely in need.[4b]
Never halt a soul when it is time for it to depart.
Go about your life unarmed. Courage and a stout walking staff is all you'll ever need.[4b]
Abhor the Fly Lord in all his forms, and hunt down his servants.[4b]
Do not waste energy on your own pleasure.[4b]

aMint1 · July 4

I'm sure CA could make a fun Bretonnia LP. I just think it's way down the list of interesting stuff and would be a waste of time.

Mr_Finley7 · July 4

Beautiful work OP. I have been asking for more Brettonian content from the start, one of my wildest dreams is for them to receive new units to bring them out of 6e and give them the update that was planned for them before GW flushed the setting. I’ll happily pay to receive this.

Blaced · July 4

If both core race and dlc race can get dlc, why can't Bretonnia, I never understand why people saying Bretonnia won't get DLC because they are flc

Besides, Bretonnia unit roster is a little dull, they need more units

Blaced · July 4

aMint1 said:
I'm sure CA could make a fun Bretonnia LP. I just think it's way down the list of interesting stuff and would be a waste of time.

Waste of time? How?

Maedrethnir · July 4

Lileath watches over you.

CA, don't be shy, give me Landuin DLC.

Maelas · July 4

A wonderful post ! I want the ghosty bois, and I want Calard ! He's Bretonnia personified !

saweendra · July 4

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

arthadaw said:
@TheGuardianOfMetal

Shallya has her cult's seat of power in Bretonnia iirc

And Faceless don't have any LL possibilities, maybe Monfort/Folcard as he is supposed to be less Bretonnian and doesn't shy away against using less orthodox weapons
Bertrand. Just use the Faceless as the generic version of his.

And yeah... the seat of Power is in Couronne... doesn't change that Priests of Shallya are basically everywhere and have a big role in the Empire as well... and Altdorf is an important seat of the Cult of Shallya as well.

Head of the Cult
The Most Holy Matriarch Lisegund (High Priestess of Couronne), High Priestess Anja Gustavson (High Priestess of Altdorf, Head of the Cult in the Empire)

"You..."
PUNCH
"do not..."
KICK
"steal from..."
STOMP
"...the temples of Shallya..."

—A Talabheim thief, Explaining Professional Ethics to a Colleague[2a]

Priestesses of Shallya being available to only one race would be utterly out of character for... well, the Priestesses of Shallya.

Strictures

Avoid killing. It is only permissible in cases or self-defense, or against the servants of the Fly Lord.[4b] (All followers of Shallya take this stricture extremely seriously.)
Never refuse healing to a supplicant genuinely in need.[4b]
Never halt a soul when it is time for it to depart.
Go about your life unarmed. Courage and a stout walking staff is all you'll ever need.[4b]
Abhor the Fly Lord in all his forms, and hunt down his servants.[4b]
Do not waste energy on your own pleasure.[4b]

Eh actually 4 th edtion of rpg actually said it isn't just the seat of power but the head of the cult of shallya is located there.
And introduced two knightly orders
One was involved in empire politics but the other sounds well bretonnian

saweendra · July 4

TheGuardianOfMetal said:
Kurt Helborg vs Bohemond could be an interesting Lord Pack.

arthadaw said:
Priestess of Shallya: Buffing Hero that bring healing and replenishment
which by logic should be a hero for all old world human factions... heck, the Warrior Priest novel have a Priestess of Shallya as one of hte Main characters.
arthadaw said:
Faceless Hero: Ranged Assassin Hero
iirc the Faceless are the leaders of their groups (and some are rumoured to be GKs) so... why not as Lord?

With thsi lohic you should have ultic faith in kislev or sigmarite presits moving around in southern realms as well.

Lets be realistic for secind only old world human faction that got more attention was empire and because of that things that should have been exclusive to other races

Like cult of mermydia were just slapped on empire because GW couldn't be bothered to flesh out tilea and estalia.

saweendra · July 4

Cosmic_Lich said:
When people bring up the idea of a Bretonnian DLC there is consistently a portion of the responses talking about how Bretonnia is FLC and should always stay FLC. I've made and remade the following arguments and will probably come back and edit them with improvements if I think of any. I hope I can convince these people that Bretonnia can, should, and will get a paid DLC expansion.
TLDR at the bottom.

Stop thinking of Bretonnia as the 'FLC faction.'
As with the nature of what FLC actually is, it is a content update that needs whatever DLC or Base game to actually use it. For example, Vlad and Isabella are not free. They were a free addition to the VCounts after launch, but being FLC doesn't matter if you don't buy the first game. The same logic applies with any of the base factions of the first game. As it stands now, Vlad and Isabella are base characters for Warhammer 1.

Bretonnia was a content update for W1. Yet owning W2 now comes with Repanse. This puts Bretonnia in a unique position compared to the rest of the factions. It has become a base faction for both Warhammer 1 & 2. As a result, there is a sect of the community that considers Bretonnia the FLC faction that should stay FLC. That's all they've ever been and that's all they ever will be. Yet as I point out being FLC just makes you part of the base content. Being "FLC" according to CA is just to show new players that the game does have content updates and that Total War is not the type of game with hundreds of different paid DLCs. The Bray Shaman lord is FLC exclusively for people who own the Beastmen race pack and/or the Silence and the Fury lord pack. Being FLC matters only to the people who own either DLC. The same logic applies to Repanse and the other Bretonnian lords who only matter to the owners of the first two games. Some may scoff at this now, but this applies to new players in Warhammer 3 who might not have the first 2 games.

The truth of the matter is that nothing is stopping CA from making a Bretonnian paid DLC save for the lack of Bretonnian content to implement and GW's permission. Calling them the 'FLC faction' is a crutch for... Well, I'm not really sure. They were FLC so they can't get a paid DLC expansion, because of reasons????

These people usually argue that FLC should stay FLC so people can get free content rather than always having to pay for everything. It would leave the player base unhappy to charge players for something that has always been free. Were I to be uncharitable I would say that some of these arguments are by people who don't care about Bretonnia and would rather have Dev time and budget go to other factions.

DLC always brings in more content than FLC. The only exception was Bretonnia's initial launch. This doesn't matter because they were half complete at launch. People were mad when Warriors of Chaos were a preorder bonus and called it "cut content." Bretonnia was meant to be an at launch base faction, but were probably left incomplete due to budgetary restraints and/or time limitations. Nowadays people speculate what lords and units will be added to the Warriors of Chaos roster, but Bretonnia still suffers the sentiment of being the FLC faction. I challenge anyone to justify this.

Whatever line of reasoning, these people argue that CA can't, shouldn't, or won't make a paid DLC expansion for FLC. To that I say, people thought DLC for DLC wasn't going to happen. Yet Wood Elves and Beastmen exist to disprove that. If CA can put together a DLC full of units for Bretonnia then they will. Bretonnia, like any other faction, has room to grow.
Bretonnia getting more cavalry variety should be welcomed.
Bretonnia has a smaller roster than most and could use a minor expansion. Some people argue that Bretonnia is a specialist faction that should stay as it is. No fancy questing beasts, no fay creatures from the Lady's personal realm; Bretonnia should stay a human faction with mostly normal cavalry and not resort to the power creep of bigger and more powerful monstrous options that weren't even on tabletop. Yet with being a cavalry specialist faction some variety should be welcomed. If being a heavy cavalry specialist faction meant the same thing to a heavy infantry specialist faction then the Dwarfs wouldn't have Slayers and Gyrocopters.

Some people point out that Bretonnia is complete with nothing left to add. Not only that, but CA EXPANDED on Bretonnia beyond what they had available on table top. I don't care what was on table top. Bretonnia hadn't gotten a new armybook since 6th edition. No on complained when HElves got Rangers and Silverin Guard. If we want to pad out the roster then it could be possible with sword and board weapon variants for Squires and Knights Errant. Even so, units can be taken from the lore or invented if needs be. I now present to you a list of options for Bretonnia that are of wholly unique, and are fully within theme and lore.
Questing beasts as a new monstrous mount option, that isn't flying, would be a cool alternative to hippogryphs. The Questing Beast is not only EXTREMELY FITTING for the Arthurian theme, but there was also already concept art. See the end of this section.
The Sons of Bretonnia, or Lost Sons, being a mix of Grail Knights and Doomfire Warlocks, but with questing beast mounts, would be a fantastic addition to Multiplayer and doom stack compositions.
A Faceless Hero or Lost Son Hero-variant would finally add the much needed Replenishment that Bretonnia needs. The Faceless could be a peasant buffer while the Lost Son Hero could be similar to the Loremaster of Hoeth, but with mount options. Both could only be available to factions with high Chivalry as both peasant hero and champion of the Lady would only serve good and honourable lords.
Creatures from The Court Beneath/Fay Realm/Haven could mix up the cheap infantry and elite cavalry. This would help expand on the mystical side of Bretonnian military and lore. Definitely don't add dragons, but there are Lake-Lions that could act as more elite Chracian White Lions.
Bretonnia has a lot of potential for new, exciting, and thematic units that would add to the playstyle, not take away from it. Even Herrimaults could be added as an elite variant or ROR of the peasant archers. The fact is that expansion is possible. Before you ask, Giant Snails will never be on any list of mine.

Below is the concept art mentioned with the Questing Beasts. Before you ask I have no idea what those wagon things and flying ships are about, and would greatly appreciate any info on them.
Bretonnia will have its day, just not soon.
The truth is that CA doesn't have a lot to work with to make new units. Everything I described previously were just semi-obscure references in the lore and old concept art. Even if CA wanted to add these to the game they would need GW's permission. The semi-fortunate reality of Bretonnia's state is that they will get a well crafted DLC but it will probably happen later during TW:Warhammer 3's lifespan. It won't be too far off with GW working on the "Old World." Especially considering that Bretonnia was one of the first factions shown in that lore update a few months back. CA worked with GW to make Kislev and they, to my knowledge, didn't even have a fully fledged armybook on the table top. Bretonnia could get the same treatment, but we just don't know when that will happen. If there is ample interest in Bretonnian content then GW and CA will notice. Only then will they decide to create content.
TLDR/Conclusion:
Thinking of Bretonnia as the FLC that therefore can't/shouldn't/won't get a paid DLC expansion is pointless. CA can do as they please if they have something to sell and being FLC doesn't matter. Some would say that Bretonnia has nothing left to add other than characters, but, despite tabletop, Bretonnia does have options in the lore that would add to Bretonnia's playstyle and theme. With GW working on "The Old World," Bretonnia will have its day. It's just a matter of time. All we Bretonnian fans can do now is show interest by playing the faction, making mods, talking and speculating on the various forums, and unironically making memes like this one.

And now a meme of my own design:

Actually sons of bretonnia and by extension the unit that connects them to army book naiads are associated with

A different mount than questing beast.

Its a horse like creature with a hunter fish head, webbed feat and silver scales according to Louen Louencour

saweendra · July 4

9h and @TheGuardianOfMetal also shallayn followers just peaceful and or shallaya being empire thing is also disproved by

The new patrich in Orthodoxy he still use lullaby to skallaya which mean shallya still allow him to use her power offensively and is not part of empire.

My thought cope with it.

MisterSquid · July 4

Wholeheartedly agree. Bretonnia has a lot of room for expansion and is more than deserving of a lord pack IMO. Hopefully The Old World will give Bretonnia some new toys for CA to add.

Alchimist · July 4

It's likely that GamesWorkshop will bring something new to the table for Bretonnia in the Old World game, if that happens you can be sure Creative Assembly will bring those new models to the game.

saweendra · July 4

Maedrethnir said:

Lileath watches over you.

CA, don't be shy, give me Landuin DLC.

Yes the dreams of ze lady court . Calls to me.

TheGuardianOfMetal · July 4

saweendra said:
9h and @TheGuardianOfMetal also shallayn followers just peaceful and or shallaya being empire thing is also disproved by

The new patrich in Orthodoxy he still use lullaby to skallaya which mean shallya still allow him to use her power offensively and is not part of empire.

My thought cope with it.

what the eff are you saying? The Patriarchs are basically just going "All the gods", bceause GW and CA wanted to reinvent the wheel even if not necessary and to create unnecessary conflict for Katarin instead of bringin in Boris Bokha. The Patriarchs AREN'T "Priests of Shallya" or even "Predominantly followers of Shallya", they are priests of Multiple Gods, many of which are much more war like.

saweendra said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:
Kurt Helborg vs Bohemond could be an interesting Lord Pack.

arthadaw said:
Priestess of Shallya: Buffing Hero that bring healing and replenishment
which by logic should be a hero for all old world human factions... heck, the Warrior Priest novel have a Priestess of Shallya as one of hte Main characters.
arthadaw said:
Faceless Hero: Ranged Assassin Hero
iirc the Faceless are the leaders of their groups (and some are rumoured to be GKs) so... why not as Lord?
With thsi lohic you should have ultic faith in kislev or sigmarite presits moving around in southern realms as well.

Lets be realistic for secind only old world human faction that got more attention was empire and because of that things that should have been exclusive to other races

Like cult of mermydia were just slapped on empire because GW couldn't be bothered to flesh out tilea and estalia.

What is up with your spelling? Are you drunk?

I said "Priestess of Shallya should be for basically ALL Old World human races"... and the Cult of Sigmar and teh Cult of the Lady are pretty muhc exclusive to their areas, just like the Cults of Ursun and Dazh.

Ulric would be a better argument, but the only major non-Empire Ulric guy MIGHT be Theodoric de Brionne.

And the Cult of Myrmidia has exactly ONE unit of Knights in the Empire. KotBS. And certainly not a large enough representation to justify a "Priest of Myrmidia" hero for the EMpire.

By all the fluff about SHallyan PRIESTESSES, they should be available for basically all human races that have the Old World Pantheon. Them being exclusive to one race makes no sense at all with them.

LennoxPoodle · July 4

Oh man, Mallobaude as a evil hybrid faction LL would be so cool!

KirGeo · July 4

I glad to see more people agreeing with Bretonnia could do with a DLC if enough content is fleshed out highly likely with The Old Word project.

Hope more come around cause more of the older races will start becoming FLC as game 3 progresses.

saweendra · July 4

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

saweendra said:
9h and @TheGuardianOfMetal also shallayn followers just peaceful and or shallaya being empire thing is also disproved by

The new patrich in Orthodoxy he still use lullaby to skallaya which mean shallya still allow him to use her power offensively and is not part of empire.

My thought cope with it.
what the eff are you saying? The Patriarchs are basically just going "All the gods", bceause GW and CA wanted to reinvent the wheel even if not necessary and to create unnecessary conflict for Katarin instead of bringin in Boris Bokha. The Patriarchs AREN'T "Priests of Shallya" or even "Predominantly followers of Shallya", they are priests of Multiple Gods, many of which are much more war like.
saweendra said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:
Kurt Helborg vs Bohemond could be an interesting Lord Pack.

arthadaw said:
Priestess of Shallya: Buffing Hero that bring healing and replenishment
which by logic should be a hero for all old world human factions... heck, the Warrior Priest novel have a Priestess of Shallya as one of hte Main characters.
arthadaw said:
Faceless Hero: Ranged Assassin Hero
iirc the Faceless are the leaders of their groups (and some are rumoured to be GKs) so... why not as Lord?
With thsi lohic you should have ultic faith in kislev or sigmarite presits moving around in southern realms as well.

Lets be realistic for secind only old world human faction that got more attention was empire and because of that things that should have been exclusive to other races

Like cult of mermydia were just slapped on empire because GW couldn't be bothered to flesh out tilea and estalia.
What is up with your spelling? Are you drunk?

I said "Priestess of Shallya should be for basically ALL Old World human races"... and the Cult of Sigmar and teh Cult of the Lady are pretty muhc exclusive to their areas, just like the Cults of Ursun and Dazh.

Ulric would be a better argument, but the only major non-Empire Ulric guy MIGHT be Theodoric de Brionne.

And the Cult of Myrmidia has exactly ONE unit of Knights in the Empire. KotBS. And certainly not a large enough representation to justify a "Priest of Myrmidia" hero for the EMpire.

By all the fluff about SHallyan PRIESTESSES, they should be available for basically all human races that have the Old World Pantheon. Them being exclusive to one race makes no sense at all with them.

Eh abbot bargarain high arch presit of taal was a playble character in 6 th edition Bretonnia.

Groverness of cult of myrmida is basically a tilean in eastalia and honestly a character that i think will come if dogs of war or southern realms is fleshed out.

The patiach is a notion that shallya hersefl don't disallow combat castig .

Patrich is the evalotion of shallya preist in kislev as Orthodoxy is unifying all the gods.

So shallya should not be allowed for all the races because of simpley so that to keep army lists form bloating.

Tldr empire doesn't need them. Kislev have a
Their own version so if any otther race should get them it should be dogs of war not empire .

TheGuardianOfMetal · July 4

saweendra said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

saweendra said:
9h and @TheGuardianOfMetal also shallayn followers just peaceful and or shallaya being empire thing is also disproved by

The new patrich in Orthodoxy he still use lullaby to skallaya which mean shallya still allow him to use her power offensively and is not part of empire.

My thought cope with it.
what the eff are you saying? The Patriarchs are basically just going "All the gods", bceause GW and CA wanted to reinvent the wheel even if not necessary and to create unnecessary conflict for Katarin instead of bringin in Boris Bokha. The Patriarchs AREN'T "Priests of Shallya" or even "Predominantly followers of Shallya", they are priests of Multiple Gods, many of which are much more war like.
saweendra said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:
Kurt Helborg vs Bohemond could be an interesting Lord Pack.

arthadaw said:
Priestess of Shallya: Buffing Hero that bring healing and replenishment
which by logic should be a hero for all old world human factions... heck, the Warrior Priest novel have a Priestess of Shallya as one of hte Main characters.
arthadaw said:
Faceless Hero: Ranged Assassin Hero
iirc the Faceless are the leaders of their groups (and some are rumoured to be GKs) so... why not as Lord?
With thsi lohic you should have ultic faith in kislev or sigmarite presits moving around in southern realms as well.

Lets be realistic for secind only old world human faction that got more attention was empire and because of that things that should have been exclusive to other races

Like cult of mermydia were just slapped on empire because GW couldn't be bothered to flesh out tilea and estalia.
What is up with your spelling? Are you drunk?

I said "Priestess of Shallya should be for basically ALL Old World human races"... and the Cult of Sigmar and teh Cult of the Lady are pretty muhc exclusive to their areas, just like the Cults of Ursun and Dazh.

Ulric would be a better argument, but the only major non-Empire Ulric guy MIGHT be Theodoric de Brionne.

And the Cult of Myrmidia has exactly ONE unit of Knights in the Empire. KotBS. And certainly not a large enough representation to justify a "Priest of Myrmidia" hero for the EMpire.

By all the fluff about SHallyan PRIESTESSES, they should be available for basically all human races that have the Old World Pantheon. Them being exclusive to one race makes no sense at all with them.
Eh abbot bargarain high arch presit of taal was a playble character in 6 th edition Bretonnia.

Groverness of cult of myrmida is basically a tilean in eastalia and honestly a character that i think will come if dogs of war or southern realms is fleshed out.

The patiach is a notion that shallya hersefl don't disallow combat castig .

Patrich is the evalotion of shallya preist in kislev as Orthodoxy is unifying all the gods.

So shallya should not be allowed for all the races because of simpley so that to keep army lists form bloating.

Tldr empire doesn't need them. Kislev have a
Their own version so if any otther race should get them it should be dogs of war not empire .

stop posting and sober up first. Or get some good sleep... or wait til you're off of mobile.

Kislev DOESN'T have a Priestess of Shallya. They have the Patriarch who does EVERY God. And The Patriarch isn't as much an Evolution as a statistical error in this regard. Overall their stuff feels less like "devoted to their gods" and more "Doign them because Orthodoxy". Like they were priest of Dazh or Ursun and then were ordered to also do the job for the other gods.

The Patriarch fights because Shallya is a rather minor worry to him compared to Ursun, Dazh etc. who are pretty much "Hands on", and he's also not a "priest of shallya". He's a Kislevite Patriarch who oversees rites to all those gods. Therefore he isn't bound by the rules of hte Cult of Shallya.

"Eh abbot bargarain high arch presit of taal was a playble character in 6 th edition Bretonnia."

Bagrian was "playable" via Warhammer Chronicles. And he was just a High Priest. Not "High Arch Priest". And since a given reason for "Shallyan priestess should be Bretonnia only!" is "Seat of power in Couronne blabla"... Talabheim wants a word.

Priests of most Old World deities would fit into basically all old world factions, Kislev's dumb Orthodoxy aside. the only once who wouldn't would be representatives of the gods that are directly tied to the very heart of their nations. Sigmar, the Lady, Ursun/Dazh.

"They shouldn't get them to avoid roster bloat!"... i always "Love" that argument, because it mainly boils down to "I don't want X to get Y (alongside race Z) and i have no real justification for that. So i say it's against Roster bloat!"

I mean, you could give "healing" to the Faceless Hero (version) as well. Justify it with needing to learn to stitch people up and done.

saweendra · July 4

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

saweendra said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

saweendra said:
9h and @TheGuardianOfMetal also shallayn followers just peaceful and or shallaya being empire thing is also disproved by

The new patrich in Orthodoxy he still use lullaby to skallaya which mean shallya still allow him to use her power offensively and is not part of empire.

My thought cope with it.
what the eff are you saying? The Patriarchs are basically just going "All the gods", bceause GW and CA wanted to reinvent the wheel even if not necessary and to create unnecessary conflict for Katarin instead of bringin in Boris Bokha. The Patriarchs AREN'T "Priests of Shallya" or even "Predominantly followers of Shallya", they are priests of Multiple Gods, many of which are much more war like.
saweendra said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:
Kurt Helborg vs Bohemond could be an interesting Lord Pack.

arthadaw said:
Priestess of Shallya: Buffing Hero that bring healing and replenishment
which by logic should be a hero for all old world human factions... heck, the Warrior Priest novel have a Priestess of Shallya as one of hte Main characters.
arthadaw said:
Faceless Hero: Ranged Assassin Hero
iirc the Faceless are the leaders of their groups (and some are rumoured to be GKs) so... why not as Lord?
With thsi lohic you should have ultic faith in kislev or sigmarite presits moving around in southern realms as well.

Lets be realistic for secind only old world human faction that got more attention was empire and because of that things that should have been exclusive to other races

Like cult of mermydia were just slapped on empire because GW couldn't be bothered to flesh out tilea and estalia.
What is up with your spelling? Are you drunk?

I said "Priestess of Shallya should be for basically ALL Old World human races"... and the Cult of Sigmar and teh Cult of the Lady are pretty muhc exclusive to their areas, just like the Cults of Ursun and Dazh.

Ulric would be a better argument, but the only major non-Empire Ulric guy MIGHT be Theodoric de Brionne.

And the Cult of Myrmidia has exactly ONE unit of Knights in the Empire. KotBS. And certainly not a large enough representation to justify a "Priest of Myrmidia" hero for the EMpire.

By all the fluff about SHallyan PRIESTESSES, they should be available for basically all human races that have the Old World Pantheon. Them being exclusive to one race makes no sense at all with them.
Eh abbot bargarain high arch presit of taal was a playble character in 6 th edition Bretonnia.

Groverness of cult of myrmida is basically a tilean in eastalia and honestly a character that i think will come if dogs of war or southern realms is fleshed out.

The patiach is a notion that shallya hersefl don't disallow combat castig .

Patrich is the evalotion of shallya preist in kislev as Orthodoxy is unifying all the gods.

So shallya should not be allowed for all the races because of simpley so that to keep army lists form bloating.

Tldr empire doesn't need them. Kislev have a
Their own version so if any otther race should get them it should be dogs of war not empire .

stop posting and sober up first. Or get some good sleep... or wait til you're off of mobile.

Kislev DOESN'T have a Priestess of Shallya. They have the Patriarch who does EVERY God. And The Patriarch isn't as much an Evolution as a statistical error in this regard. Overall their stuff feels less like "devoted to their gods" and more "Doign them because Orthodoxy". Like they were priest of Dazh or Ursun and then were ordered to also do the job for the other gods.

The Patriarch fights because Shallya is a rather minor worry to him compared to Ursun, Dazh etc. who are pretty much "Hands on", and he's also not a "priest of shallya". He's a Kislevite Patriarch who oversees rites to all those gods. Therefore he isn't bound by the rules of hte Cult of Shallya.

"Eh abbot bargarain high arch presit of taal was a playble character in 6 th edition Bretonnia."

Bagrian was "playable" via Warhammer Chronicles. And he was just a High Priest. Not "High Arch Priest". And since a given reason for "Shallyan priestess should be Bretonnia only!" is "Seat of power in Couronne blabla"... Talabheim wants a word.

Priests of most Old World deities would fit into basically all old world factions, Kislev's dumb Orthodoxy aside. the only once who wouldn't would be representatives of the gods that are directly tied to the very heart of their nations. Sigmar, the Lady, Ursun/Dazh.

"They shouldn't get them to avoid roster bloat!"... i always "Love" that argument, because it mainly boils down to "I don't want X to get Y (together with race Z) and i have no real justification for that. So i say it's against Roster bloat!"

I mean, you could give "healing" to the Faceless Hero (version) as well. Justify it with needing to learn to stitch people up and done.

wh cronicles are considered a type of army book do point still stand, and yes he was arch presit

yes shallaya cult seat of power is bretonnia not only 2nd edition knights of the grail say that , 4th edition RPGv Nu GW say that.

Facelss is a assasin hero why give him healing at all thats dumb,
the point is just like Ulric faith is the second cult of empire shallaya is the second cult of Bretonnia

No one is asking for Ulric preist to be given to any other culture even though its worshipped out side of empire same thing really with cult of shallaya just because its availble out side of empire doesn't mean it should

TheGuardianOfMetal · July 4

saweendra said:

No one is asking for Ulric preist to be given to any other culture even though its worshipped out side of empire same thing really with cult of shallaya just because its availble out side of empire doesn't mean it should

Just again that this does in no way fit the CULT OF SHALLYA who's thing is "healing and helping basically everywhere" that's as if we'd have a modern(ish) game and the Red Cross was available only to Switzerland.

What you're suggestion basically boils down to the Cult of Shallya taking sides and again for Shallya that's incredibly inappropriate.

Also I think we already have a herow ith the ability "assassinate". The Paladin. Hence why the Faceless could be reimagined a bit as an outdoor survivalist with healing capabilities. The Cult of Shallya meanwhile should stay neutral between the Nations of the Old World.

Shallya being the second Cult of Bretonnia is also a tad high. Shallya ranks no 2 or 3 basically everywhere. And your very own RPG page says nothing about her being No 2 behind the Lady. Especially not with Taal and Rya existing.

Also said page also has "never take up arms" and "never kill except in self defense". Both kinda go against TW WH. And sorry to say. A Priestess of Shallya actively running onto the battlefield IS NOT "self defense".

aMint1 · July 4

Blaced said:

aMint1 said:
I'm sure CA could make a fun Bretonnia LP. I just think it's way down the list of interesting stuff and would be a waste of time.
Waste of time? How?

Because there's lots and lots I'd prefer. Maybe if we get to a tenth crossover LP.

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