Games Workshop IS Coming for the Modders, at Least Their Patreon Support

Wyvax#7456

This image popped up on YouTube in a community feed from Arch of all people, but the image is from Radious discord. (Please focus on the actual message from the modder people, not the messenger). This isn't a complete shutdown of the modding community of course, but it's a pretty clear attack on it. Considering a few certain conversations we've had recently on this forum, this seemed rather relevant. I apologies that I was not able to get a larger resolution of this working if you have difficulty with small print, I'm not very competent with image manipulation.

mecanojavi99#6562

Considering that it doesn't affect them in any considerable way, I don't see the problem, they can still make money out of the mods, they still make mods for any of the games, they only can't have the links to said patreon on the Workshop or have goals related to GW IP, the fact that GW is even allowing people to make money out of it is quite surprising.

Reeks#2417

So they just don´t want the modders making cash of their ip?

Big deal

If the modders really love what they do they will keep at it making moolah or not

Mogwai_Man#4978

It's almost as if you shouldn't be making money off of an IP that isn't yours.

IamNotArobot#8850

People: Sends donations
Also people: But they do it for free

who needs modders anyways, if they can land a job at CA I would be more than happy.

NoSkill4U#6552

As long as it´s just removing the links to their paypal/patreon....

Otherwise, what´s the point of working a a company if you can just do it this way but easier with more profit.
GW is trying to assert dominance with a show of force.



I´m sure people will find a way to circumvent this, I mean, who can forbid them having paypal/ patreon links in their steam profile?

SerPus#7395

Good. If modders stop fixing broken games then people will demand that from the developers.

1v0#3562

For me this is a big deal, because it's just the start of something that might be even wrose (the start of an slippery slope so to say).

1 First animations (that are better than the official stuff) after that 2 parodies 3 now modders financial support. Whats next ?

TTS was one of the things that got me into WH (played dawn of war 1 before that but didn't really follow the lore in it).
Hard recommend for ppl that thing chaos is just the bad guy - Episode 19: Warp Grumbling .

Lastly and this will get me hate/disagrees or whatever (maybe even have this comment removed), but it's my personal opinion.
Arch is a good youtuber his jokes are funny(for me a person old enough to think jokes are just jokes) and I like his way of telling the lore, but he got dogpiled and is now persona non grata in most official WH stuff.

Neodeinos#5871

Nowhere in this message he said he was asked from Games Workshop themselves. This could have been requested by CA since his Patreon is very scummy. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Radious was being misleading on purpose just to blame the new GW policy, this guy is a complete douche.

davedave1124#4773

Neodeinos said:

Nowhere in this message he said he was asked from Games Workshop themselves. This could have been requested by CA since his Patreon is very scummy. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Radious was being misleading on purpose just to blame the new GW policy, this guy is a complete douche.

Why would CA allow them to do it with all their other games apart from WH? More likely GW.

For those suggesting they have too.. not really, CA doesn’t have an issue with it, probably because it’s never affected their product. Quality mods is only a benefit to their game.

I’m no mod **** eithervas I don’t use them.

Djau#5149

'Donations' is just a twist around direct pay.

Neodeinos#5871

davedave1124 said:

Neodeinos said:

Nowhere in this message he said he was asked from Games Workshop themselves. This could have been requested by CA since his Patreon is very scummy. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Radious was being misleading on purpose just to blame the new GW policy, this guy is a complete douche.

Why would CA allow them to do it with all their other games apart from WH? More likely GW.

For those suggesting they have too.. not really, CA doesn’t have an issue with it, probably because it’s never affected their product. Quality mods is only a benefit to their game.

I’m no mod **** eithervas I don’t use them.

Radious Patreon is simply shady and breaks the EULA so yes, CA would have some good reasons to request Radious to remove the Patreon links from his mods. I mean the dude is selling a bloody beta access to his mod through Patreon, and he has stolen a lot of mods without crediting the authors. I'm honestly surprised his mod hasn't been taken down yet.

#610044

never liked Radious or SFo anyway. if you got time make your own overhaul, you will enjoy it much more

Captain_Rex#1635

Couldn’t care less about Modders tbh.

davedave1124#4773

Neodeinos said:

davedave1124 said:

Neodeinos said:

Nowhere in this message he said he was asked from Games Workshop themselves. This could have been requested by CA since his Patreon is very scummy. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Radious was being misleading on purpose just to blame the new GW policy, this guy is a complete douche.

Why would CA allow them to do it with all their other games apart from WH? More likely GW.

For those suggesting they have too.. not really, CA doesn’t have an issue with it, probably because it’s never affected their product. Quality mods is only a benefit to their game.

I’m no mod **** eithervas I don’t use them.

Radious Patreon is simply shady and breaks the EULA so yes, CA would have some good reasons to request Radious to remove the Patreon links from his mods. I mean the dude is selling a bloody beta access to his mod through Patreon, and he has stolen a lot of mods without crediting the authors. I'm honestly surprised his mod hasn't been taken down yet.

Yet, CA have never been arsed. So what if they are? Some lore Youtubers simply read from official books and use patreon, I mean so what? Apart from expand the game what actual harm does it do?

GW jumping in with both feet again **** people off.

Surge_2#1464

AKA: We can't ask for money based on the implementation of GW IP.

It's that simple.

Mods? Go ahead.

Don't ask for compensation. It's not your IP to profit from.

Neodeinos#5871

davedave1124 said:

Neodeinos said:

davedave1124 said:

Neodeinos said:

Nowhere in this message he said he was asked from Games Workshop themselves. This could have been requested by CA since his Patreon is very scummy. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Radious was being misleading on purpose just to blame the new GW policy, this guy is a complete douche.

Why would CA allow them to do it with all their other games apart from WH? More likely GW.

For those suggesting they have too.. not really, CA doesn’t have an issue with it, probably because it’s never affected their product. Quality mods is only a benefit to their game.

I’m no mod **** eithervas I don’t use them.

Radious Patreon is simply shady and breaks the EULA so yes, CA would have some good reasons to request Radious to remove the Patreon links from his mods. I mean the dude is selling a bloody beta access to his mod through Patreon, and he has stolen a lot of mods without crediting the authors. I'm honestly surprised his mod hasn't been taken down yet.

Yet, CA have never been arsed. So what if they are? Some lore Youtubers simply read from official books and use patreon, I mean so what? Apart from expand the game what actual harm does it do?

GW jumping in with both feet again **** people off.

This could have been done because of the new policy of Games Workship but it could still been asked from CA and not GW. If you'd know the guy you would know to not believe anything he says, he is always misleading in his statements so unless there is an official announcement from GW or CA just assume that Radious is full of **** (which he is).

LordCommander#3741

Tinkerers. Meh.

davedave1124#4773

Yep, GW, **** everyone off with Cursed City (0 explanations) putting heavy intercessors behind a £95 pay wall, putting the Ork Codex in a limited box, screwing over content creators etc.

The only people GW seem to like are scalpers who they support consistently.

It won’t do them any harm to leave modders alone rather than muddying CA with their deviant ways.

PoorManatee6197#6481

Mogwai_Man said:

It's almost as if you shouldn't be making money off of an IP that isn't yours.

Its not like they are stealing it from GW or anything, this is just hurting the modders with no benefits for anyone, but it is OK because iTs ThEiR iP aNd ThEy CaN dO wHaTeVeR tHeY wAnT.

#902441

Hmmm.

I don't use Radious but mods with a Patreon page are at the very least skirting the borders a bit, even if it is just a voluntary donation rather than paid.

If it wasn't GW, notorious IP thieves that they are, I'd say they are well within their rights here, I just loathe them as a company too much.

Not that it would surprise me one little bit to see them starting to strongarm content creators, so I don't blame them for getting a little twitchy too.

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

No.

GW is going after people trying to make money off of their IP without permission. It's perfectly logical.

Bonutz#3949

To be honest, I don’t think this will change much if anything. There are a number of different ways for any modder with a half decent brain to get around this.

That being said though, GW isn’t stopping the modders from making mods. They’re just stopping them from monetizing them, which is within an IP holder’s rights.

On the other hand though, GW is acting like a little kid burning ants with a magnifying glass. I doubt a few modders making a little bit of money on the side is a real threat to GW. Just seems petty and over the top in my opinion.

Surge_2#1464

I'd rather we don't see another chapterhouse fiasco.

JToegiTheSnotling#6624

Yeah that's pretty scummy

Uagrim#4644

The patreon is still there just the linking with the mods got removed.

So in the end it changes nothing outside the donator perks getting cut down. Moders can still make money as long as they don't like the patreon with the mod itself since that is something GW can hardly prevent (people giving other people money).

JToegiTheSnotling#6624

Uagrim said:

The patreon is still there just the linking with the mods got removed.

So in the end it changes nothing outside the donator perks getting cut down. Moders can still make money as long as they don't like the patreon with the mod itself since that is something GW can hardly prevent (people giving other people money).

That's good at least.

1v0#3562

Vanilla_Gorilla said:

No.

GW is going after people trying to make money off of their IP without permission. It's perfectly logical.

The problem for this logic is - it can work for everything !

1. Why is that youtuber making money by reading our lore without permission. (patreon or youtube)
2. Why is that let's player making money (on youtube) by playing our game without permission. I know it's not their game but then again the mod is not for a GW game but a CA game so it's the same.
3. Why is that person making money by drawing fan art of our IP without permission.
4. Why is that person getting likes for a story of our IP without permission.

You can say it for everything. This logic is dangerous !

This way ppl won't want to create anything FAN created not because money, but because of the rules - they can be sued at the drop of a hat.

aMint1#4859

I think it's weird that GW want to kill things that are adding quality (value) to something they have a financial interest in. Pretty annoying tbh. If this turns out half as bad as some GW fans are suggesting, I hope CA cut ties with GW after game3. Lots of good IPs out there or just create their own and allow modders to commit the necessary resources to doing what they've been doing all these years.

Bonutz#3949

aMint1 said:

I think it's weird that GW want to kill things that are adding quality (value) to something they have a financial interest in. Pretty annoying tbh. If this turns out half as bad as some GW fans are suggesting, I hope CA cut ties with GW after game3. Lots of good IPs out there or just create their own and allow modders to commit the necessary resources to doing what they've been doing all these years.

CA is raking in big money with the Warhammer IP. To CA, that speaks more volumes than some controversial business practices on GW’s end.

I wouldn’t count on it.

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

1v0 said:

Vanilla_Gorilla said:

No.

GW is going after people trying to make money off of their IP without permission. It's perfectly logical.

The problem for this logic is - it can work for everything !

1. Why is that youtuber making money by reading our lore without permission. (patreon or youtube)
2. Why is that let's player making money (on youtube) by playing our game without permission. I know it's not their game but then again the mod is not for a GW game but a CA game so it's the same.
3. Why is that person making money by drawing fan art of our IP without permission.
4. Why is that person getting likes for a story of our IP without permission.

You can say it for everything. This logic is dangerous !

This way ppl won't want to create anything FAN created not because money, but because of the rules - they can be sued at the drop of a hat.

Most of those fall under fair use laws. They have permission because the law gives them permission.

Charging for a mod for a game was always going to create issues. It's absolutely no surprise this has occurred, indeed it's only surprising it didn't occur earlier.