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Games Workshop IS Coming for the Modders, at Least Their Patreon Support

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  • ArsenicArsenic Registered Users Posts: 6,715
    Bonutz said:


    CA is raking in big money with the Warhammer IP. To CA, that speaks more volumes than some controversial business practices.

    I wouldn’t count on it.

    Whilst I have been highly critical of CA when I think it deserved, I think this is a Games Workshop issue. If CA had an issue with their game being modded in such a way, they would have gone after those doing LOTR and ASOIAF mods for it.
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  • BonutzBonutz Registered Users Posts: 4,658
    Arsenic said:

    Bonutz said:


    CA is raking in big money with the Warhammer IP. To CA, that speaks more volumes than some controversial business practices.

    I wouldn’t count on it.

    Whilst I have been highly critical of CA when I think it deserved, I think this is a Games Workshop issue. If CA had an issue with their game being modded in such a way, they would have gone after those doing LOTR and ASOIAF mods for it.
    It’s absolutely a GW issue.

    I’m just saying to that guy that CA isn’t going to abandon more potential Warhammer games in the future because of this new policy by GW. Far from it if I had to guess.
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  • IamNotArobotIamNotArobot Registered Users Posts: 4,509
    Araby confirmed?
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  • ArsenicArsenic Registered Users Posts: 6,715
    Bonutz said:

    Arsenic said:

    Bonutz said:


    CA is raking in big money with the Warhammer IP. To CA, that speaks more volumes than some controversial business practices.

    I wouldn’t count on it.

    Whilst I have been highly critical of CA when I think it deserved, I think this is a Games Workshop issue. If CA had an issue with their game being modded in such a way, they would have gone after those doing LOTR and ASOIAF mods for it.
    It’s absolutely a GW issue.

    I’m just saying to that guy that CA isn’t going to abandon more potential Warhammer games in the future because of this new policy by GW. Far from it if I had to guess.
    Ah right you are. I must have missed that bit. I really shouldn't skim-read threads!
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  • saweendrasaweendra Registered Users Posts: 14,794
    **** Gw. Honestly any one who think we are getting daily player avarages of over 30000+ with out mods like SFO are absolutely talking out of their asses.

    And are idiots. They are whats contributing to the massive player averages most.

    And donations and paetron allow them to do that.

    I personally don't use much mods. But by them keeping majority of the fanbase content for 6 months to a year untill next CA DLC or game release is what kept game so successful. And allow CA to create much content.
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  • LuciferLucifer Member England U.KRegistered Users Posts: 2,177
    Perhaps they're just targeting the ones who put their mods behind pay walls.


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  • BayesBayes Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 2,935
    Hopefully this end with radious, but it is a worrying development non the less.
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  • KN_GarsKN_Gars Registered Users Posts: 1,638

    1v0 said:

    No.

    GW is going after people trying to make money off of their IP without permission. It's perfectly logical.

    The problem for this logic is - it can work for everything !

    1. Why is that youtuber making money by reading our lore without permission. (patreon or youtube)
    2. Why is that let's player making money (on youtube) by playing our game without permission. I know it's not their game but then again the mod is not for a GW game but a CA game so it's the same.
    3. Why is that person making money by drawing fan art of our IP without permission.
    4. Why is that person getting likes for a story of our IP without permission.

    You can say it for everything. This logic is dangerous !

    This way ppl won't want to create anything FAN created not because money, but because of the rules - they can be sued at the drop of a hat.
    Most of those fall under fair use laws. They have permission because the law gives them permission.

    Charging for a mod for a game was always going to create issues. It's absolutely no surprise this has occurred, indeed it's only surprising it didn't occur earlier.
    Sure it may be fair use but keep in mind that what constitutes fair use varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, just as the laws surrounding copyright do. In my part of the world US-style lawsuits are unlikely due to how copyright protection and civil law is set up but on the other hand copyright infringements can and will be prosecuted as crimminal rather than civil cases if deemed serious enough.

    GW's new IP guidelines and their actions based on it has quite to potential to become a slippery slope, the question is just how far down the slope they will go. And when the 400-pound gorilla starts to throw it's weight around people will take notice and act based on that even if they themselves are not directy targeted. TTS is a good example as is the fact that we are extremly unlikely to ever see a new Richard Boylan, Astartes or any other form of serious animator doing Warhammer related content on Youtube in the years to come.
  • KuntingWarriorKuntingWarrior Registered Users Posts: 3,418
    edited August 4
    The modders are only the beginning, just wait until the lore channels start getting shut down, Arch is the only one with the balls to stand upto them.
  • zeekjwzeekjw Registered Users Posts: 128
    edited August 4
    Reeks said:

    So they just don´t want the modders making cash of their ip?

    Big deal

    If the modders really love what they do they will keep at it making moolah or not

    This right here.

    Also, people fail to realize that they can still give modders money via PayPal or patreon.

    The only think that changed is the links to PayPal and patreon being moved off the workshop page.
  • ShiroAmakusa75ShiroAmakusa75 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 33,937
    edited August 4

    The modders are only the beginning, just wait until the lore channels start getting shut down, Arch is the only one with the balls to stand upto them.

    If it meant that guy could no longer make money out of reading out Warhammer wiki articles and had to earn a living legitimately instead, it'd be totally worth it.
  • IamNotArobotIamNotArobot Registered Users Posts: 4,509

    The modders are only the beginning, just wait until the lore channels start getting shut down, Arch is the only one with the balls to stand upto them.

    If it meant that guy could no longer make money out of reading out Warhammer wiki articles and had to make money legitimately instead, it'd be totally worth it.
    Imagine having Arch at work, lol.
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  • Mogwai_ManMogwai_Man Registered Users Posts: 5,144
    edited August 4

    The modders are only the beginning, just wait until the lore channels start getting shut down, Arch is the only one with the balls to stand upto them.

    Arch did it to himself, no company would want to associate with him whether he was joking or not.

    Content creators don't even want to work with him.
  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 30,065
    edited August 4

    The modders are only the beginning, just wait until the lore channels start getting shut down, Arch is the only one with the balls to stand upto them.

    If it meant that guy could no longer make money out of reading out Warhammer wiki articles and had to earn a living legitimately instead, it'd be totally worth it.
    I'm just commenting to point out how incredibly cringe it is to suggest Arch has "balls" because he regularly says awful things.

    Arch can say what he likes, and I can say he's the worst kind of content creator there is. An extractor fan.
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  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 16,151

    1v0 said:

    No.

    GW is going after people trying to make money off of their IP without permission. It's perfectly logical.

    The problem for this logic is - it can work for everything !

    1. Why is that youtuber making money by reading our lore without permission. (patreon or youtube)
    2. Why is that let's player making money (on youtube) by playing our game without permission. I know it's not their game but then again the mod is not for a GW game but a CA game so it's the same.
    3. Why is that person making money by drawing fan art of our IP without permission.
    4. Why is that person getting likes for a story of our IP without permission.

    You can say it for everything. This logic is dangerous !

    This way ppl won't want to create anything FAN created not because money, but because of the rules - they can be sued at the drop of a hat.
    Most of those fall under fair use laws. They have permission because the law gives them permission.

    Charging for a mod for a game was always going to create issues. It's absolutely no surprise this has occurred, indeed it's only surprising it didn't occur earlier.
    Globally fair use is meaningless. The channel Deadmeat who reviews and analyses horror films got copyright striked for fair use. Same with Angry Joe who constantly got hit my Nintendo with copyright strikes.

    This is a choice, some companies make it and some don’t.
  • BastileanBastilean Registered Users Posts: 2,293

    The modders are only the beginning, just wait until the lore channels start getting shut down, Arch is the only one with the balls to stand upto them.

    If it meant that guy could no longer make money out of reading out Warhammer wiki articles and had to earn a living legitimately instead, it'd be totally worth it.
    Jealous?

    Seriously, I don't understand the vitriol against content creators. They are 100% harmless and support the hobby and the community. Most of them cite the books they are referencing and recommend people purchase and read them before listening to their commentary. What more does GW want?

    Also, I am not a Radeous fan. It's pretty boring kit bashing honestly, but it's harmless... They aren't selling anything.

    Telling people they cannot have Patreons is a violation of free speech. It's not like pan handlers who are disgusting and crowd the streets with their filth. If people enjoy a content creator's art they contribute what they feel like. It's kind of scuzzy but it's not something GW's dogs should legally be able to attack. The fact that they can support their minor operations in poor oppressed countries and GW actually worries rather than relishes their impact on the franchise is pathetic.

    What are they going to do next? Start taking down painting contractors? It's not legal to attack artists, and it's only because they have a bunch of jackals with nothing to do that this is a problem. Fire the jackals. Money will be made by GW by not spending it on morons. Everyone wins.
  • Xenos7777Xenos7777 Registered Users Posts: 7,129
    SerPus said:

    Good. If modders stop fixing broken games then people will demand that from the developers.

    this is ridiculous. A very small number of TW mods are straight fixes. The vast majority of them are additional content. Do you seriously think that if we didn't have banner mods CA would have added them by now?
  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 30,065
    Bastilean said:

    The modders are only the beginning, just wait until the lore channels start getting shut down, Arch is the only one with the balls to stand upto them.

    If it meant that guy could no longer make money out of reading out Warhammer wiki articles and had to earn a living legitimately instead, it'd be totally worth it.
    Jealous?

    Seriously, I don't understand the vitriol against content creators. They are 100% harmless and support the hobby and the community. Most of them cite the books they are referencing and recommend people purchase and read them before listening to their commentary. What more does GW want?

    Also, I am not a Radeous fan. It's pretty boring kit bashing honestly, but it's harmless... They aren't selling anything.

    Telling people they cannot have Patreons is a violation of free speech. It's not like pan handlers who are disgusting and crowd the streets with their filth. If people enjoy a content creator's art they contribute what they feel like. It's kind of scuzzy but it's not something GW's dogs should legally be able to attack. The fact that they can support their minor operations in poor oppressed countries and GW actually worries rather than relishes their impact on the franchise is pathetic.

    What are they going to do next? Start taking down painting contractors? It's not legal to attack artists, and it's only because they have a bunch of jackals with nothing to do that this is a problem. Fire the jackals. Money will be made by GW by not spending it on morons. Everyone wins.
    The vitriol is not against content creators. In this case it's specifically against Arch. A creator eho has most certainly earned it by spewing hate.

    It's perfectly reasonable for GW to not want people making money by using its IP without permission. Free speech has nothing to do with it. Nothing.
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  • DeadpoolSWDeadpoolSW Registered Users Posts: 2,800
    I don't care about overhaul mods, but this does make me slightly concerned about how far it will go. What if it gets to the point that GW starts taking down mods they don't like (especially since apparently they didn't want a mod workshop to start with)? What's to stop them from taking down mods like OVN, which introduces races that GW don't want in game?
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  • Xenos7777Xenos7777 Registered Users Posts: 7,129

    The modders are only the beginning, just wait until the lore channels start getting shut down, Arch is the only one with the balls to stand upto them.

    If it meant that guy could no longer make money out of reading out Warhammer wiki articles and had to earn a living legitimately instead, it'd be totally worth it.
    why do you care how other people make money, as long as they don't hurt anyone?
  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 16,151
    I’d definitely miss Baldamort the most..
  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 30,065
    Xenos7777 said:

    The modders are only the beginning, just wait until the lore channels start getting shut down, Arch is the only one with the balls to stand upto them.

    If it meant that guy could no longer make money out of reading out Warhammer wiki articles and had to earn a living legitimately instead, it'd be totally worth it.
    why do you care how other people make money, as long as they don't hurt anyone?
    Because Arch is a negative influence on the conversation.

    It's perfectly reasonable to dislike a content creator.
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  • Fingolfin_the-GoldenFingolfin_the-Golden Registered Users Posts: 2,058
    Why would I pay someone to do something they like in their spare time?
    This is not a job.
    You threaten all modding by making money off someone else’s intellectual property on the platform supported by GW, ie CA game.
  • Xenos7777Xenos7777 Registered Users Posts: 7,129

    Xenos7777 said:

    The modders are only the beginning, just wait until the lore channels start getting shut down, Arch is the only one with the balls to stand upto them.

    If it meant that guy could no longer make money out of reading out Warhammer wiki articles and had to earn a living legitimately instead, it'd be totally worth it.
    why do you care how other people make money, as long as they don't hurt anyone?
    Because Arch is a negative influence on the conversation.

    It's perfectly reasonable to dislike a content creator.
    I also dislike him as a person. But this has nothing to do about caring how he makes money, because there is nothing wrong with it.
  • Fingolfin_the-GoldenFingolfin_the-Golden Registered Users Posts: 2,058
    Uagrim said:

    The patreon is still there just the linking with the mods got removed.

    So in the end it changes nothing outside the donator perks getting cut down. Moders can still make money as long as they don't like the patreon with the mod itself since that is something GW can hardly prevent (people giving other people money).

    Yep.
    People are acting like mods are banned.
    Chicken little strikes again.
  • Fingolfin_the-GoldenFingolfin_the-Golden Registered Users Posts: 2,058
    Surge_2 said:

    AKA: We can't ask for money based on the implementation of GW IP.

    It's that simple.

    Mods? Go ahead.

    Don't ask for compensation. It's not your IP to profit from.

    Yep.
    It’s pretty simple.
  • Xenos7777Xenos7777 Registered Users Posts: 7,129

    Why would I pay someone to do something they like in their spare time?
    This is not a job.
    You threaten all modding by making money off someone else’s intellectual property on the platform supported by GW, ie CA game.

    you don't pay them. It's not permitted to keep the mod behind a paywall, so paying or not, you'll have access to the same stuff. People are just donating some small change as a token of appreciation.
  • DeltamirDeltamir Registered Users Posts: 136
    I don't understand this culture of donating to every Tom **** and Harry. People should play video games to have fun, not stream for cash.

    Donating towards mods should be removed from the official page. It makes CA look like they are supporting paying someone to mod the game. Players should mod the game voluntarily.

    This also may be completely wrong but tax liabilities might come into it and CA would be reducing the risk (directly or indirectly) by removing the donation buttons.
  • Xenos7777Xenos7777 Registered Users Posts: 7,129
    edited August 4
    Deltamir said:

    I don't understand this culture of donating to every Tom **** and Harry. People should play video games to have fun, not stream for cash.

    Donating towards mods should be removed from the official page. It makes CA look like they are supporting paying someone to mod the game. Players should mod the game voluntarily.

    This also may be completely wrong but tax liabilities might come into it and CA would be reducing the risk (directly or indirectly) by removing the donation buttons.

    I don't understand this culture of caring so much about what other people do with their money, instead. Off the top of my head there are tens of things I consider idiotic paying for, and still have enormous industries behind them (like, all the luxury stuff, for example). But it's not like I feel this pressing need to convince other people to spend their money as I spend mine.
  • TeNoSkillTeNoSkill Registered Users Posts: 4,618
    aMint1 said:

    I think it's weird that GW want to kill things that are adding quality (value) to something they have a financial interest in. Pretty annoying tbh. If this turns out half as bad as some GW fans are suggesting, I hope CA cut ties with GW after game3. Lots of good IPs out there or just create their own and allow modders to commit the necessary resources to doing what they've been doing all these years.

    If CA get offered the 40k IP, I hope not!
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