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Humans vs Elves: Which race would win in an all out war?

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  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 34,572

    Lord of the Rings: Humans are fated to take over the world as the Elves diminish.

    Witcher: Elves lost a genocidal war and now exist as second-class citizens.

    Dragon Age: Elves destroyed their own civilization, ended up enslaved, and still exist as a lower-class.

    Warcraft: practically every Elven faction has faced extinction numerous times while human kingdoms keep rising.

    Fantasy doesn't seem to favor Elves very much.

    Nothing to do with warhammer elves
    Warhammer elves are also a dying race, even their own armybook says so.
    Do i need to post the quote from the army book that say the DE are thriving and are doing it by enslaving humans
    Do I need to post a quote from a HE army book that says HE are dying out? DE are doing better, but they're a much smaller force in comparison and their higher birth rate is compensated by them murdering each other on a regular basis. Tbh the elf alliance is hard carried by HE, they make up for like 2/3 of its power.
    Pretty much every writer for Fantasy has stated that Dark Elf society would not function in real life and would've/should've died out centuries ago. They're protected by plot armor and rectons vis a vis End Times, not any consistent laws or narrative within the Warhammer Fantasy setting.
    So if we are not using ET why is an chaos invasion of Naggaroth used as argument
    We don't even need to use End Times; you said yourself that the Dark Elves are somehow thriving in the army books while the High Elves are fading. Biologically speaking, there are no differences between Asur and Druchii, the distinction is purely cultural, so both Elves experience the same hardships and issues when it comes to reproduction. It all comes down to their approaches.

    Yet, the High Elves, whom generally lead safer lives, are more harmonious, have a flourishing economy, and live in a paradise are experiencing a population loss, while the Dark Elves, who live to scheme and kill each other while planning yet another mass invasion of Ulthuan in the middle of a frozen wasteland, are somehow flourishing. That makes no sense. Further to this, one of the High Elves' monarchs is a powerful priestess/icon/avatar of the Elven mother goddess, while the Dark Elves have the patronage of gods of war and slaughter.

    The Dark Elves are interesting, but they are by no means consistent or sensible or as deep as people keep making them out to be.
    Wonder how most of western civilization have negative population growt and 3d world countries have a positive one
    High cost of living and hyper-consumption, essentially, but the High Elves don't live in that kind of society. Their way of life has more or less been the same since Aenarion's day, and they had no issues with keeping a healthy population during their worst wars in their history. It's only during a long period of peace that they somehow see a sharp decline, which isn't really what happens in real life.

    It's just bad writing. The idea of a noble, wise, powerful nation from yesteryear fading away is an old trope, and GW tried to implement it in an extremely underdeveloped way.
    I wish they'd just throw it away. Like the Eldar in 40k.

    Have them a race that's vastly down from their peak but still climbing on up. A dying race doesn't work in Warhammer.
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  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 34,572

    "Most destructive magics possible"
    What is vague about it? Don't know conjuring storms stuff that kill and destroy.In the bad times novel Deatblade she telported armies around the battafield
    Can she move a mountain?
    DE have shown themself capable of moving/lifting big chunks of land with palaces on top of them and that is after they had exhausted a lot of energy to help Malekith's sundering.Don't see how are DE less comparable to slann than humans to elves

    "Most destructive magics possible" to who? To elves maybe. Again, no feats comparable to Slaan. Slaan can slay multiple greater daemons with ease, DE characters can kill one at best, if they're not too mean like Ka'bandha who only Sigmar could match in the ET. DE are absolutely laughable compared to someone like Mazda or Kroak if you take everything LM armybook says for granted.
    It is not compare to anyone it is just most powerful destructive magics possible. You are trying hard to missunderstand hard aren't you

    Simply hyperbole. She's not a particularly strong caster by Warhammer standards. Top tier, but not at the top. Not by a long way.
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  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Registered Users Posts: 3,429
    edited August 2021
    Simply hyperbole. She's not a particularly strong caster by Warhammer standards. Top tier, but not at the top. Not by a long way.

    Bahahha

    That doesn't even say she knows how to destroy it, only that she'll try. Well, she won't succeed, lol. "Most destructive magic possible" is a too abstract of a claim when she doesn't show anything comparable to Mazda or Kroak in practice.

    Yeah there being no doubt means she will fail .You are right it states that her knowledge of destructive magic is powerful enough to destroy the world.

    She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.

    The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 34,572

    The HE are a dying race..

    That doesn't mean they're all on their deathbed though does it? A pretty meaningless point especially if they eventually die out in a 100,000 years.

    I mean we know it wont even be that long once again the High elfs are a minority in there own capital city. As for the cannon vs dragon argument. Grap shot at high angles make pretty easy AA
    It's more that every single Dragon is irreplaceable. The Humans have multiple means to kill them, but the Elves have effectively no means to replace them. There's nothing the Elves can do to permanently hurt the Humans, but every single Elf and especially every single Dragon lost hurts the Elves.

    It's a case where Elves could win every battle for years and lose by sheer weight of attrition.
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  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 34,572

    Simply hyperbole. She's not a particularly strong caster by Warhammer standards. Top tier, but not at the top. Not by a long way.

    Bahahha
    So you don't disagree.
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  • MadDemiurgMadDemiurg Registered Users Posts: 4,737
    edited August 2021

    Simply hyperbole. She's not a particularly strong caster by Warhammer standards. Top tier, but not at the top. Not by a long way.

    Bahahha

    That doesn't even say she knows how to destroy it, only that she'll try. Well, she won't succeed, lol. "Most destructive magic possible" is a too abstract of a claim when she doesn't show anything comparable to Mazda or Kroak in practice.

    Yeah there being no doubt means she will fail .You are right it states that her knowledge of destructive magic is powerful enough to destroy the world.
    There is no doubt she will try to use it. There is also no doubt she would fail, lol. She can't even get rid of the daemon army besieging her tower in ET, Malekith needs to come in. Kroak clapped daemon armies like that all day long. What is the most destructive thing she actually accomplished?

  • Coldrage20Coldrage20 Registered Users Posts: 237

    Simply hyperbole. She's not a particularly strong caster by Warhammer standards. Top tier, but not at the top. Not by a long way.

    Bahahha

    That doesn't even say she knows how to destroy it, only that she'll try. Well, she won't succeed, lol. "Most destructive magic possible" is a too abstract of a claim when she doesn't show anything comparable to Mazda or Kroak in practice.

    Yeah there being no doubt means she will fail .You are right it states that her knowledge of destructive magic is powerful enough to destroy the world.
    yes its unbinding the vortex

    congrats thats what she knows how to do
  • SaintCornSaintCorn Registered Users Posts: 2,585

    SaintCorn said:

    "Most destructive magics possible"
    What is vague about it? Don't know conjuring storms stuff that kill and destroy.In the bad times novel Deatblade she telported armies around the battafield
    Can she move a mountain?
    DE have shown themself capable of moving/lifting big chunks of land with palaces on top of them and that is after they had exhausted a lot of energy to help Malekith's sundering.Don't see how are DE less comparable to slann than humans to elves

    "Most destructive magics possible" to who? To elves maybe. Again, no feats comparable to Slaan. Slaan can slay multiple greater daemons with ease, DE characters can kill one at best, if they're not too mean like Ka'bandha who only Sigmar could match in the ET. DE are absolutely laughable compared to someone like Mazda or Kroak if you take everything LM armybook says for granted.
    It is not compare to anyone it is just most powerful destructive magics possible. You are trying hard to missunderstand hard aren't you

    That doesn't even say she knows how to destroy it, only that she'll try. Well, she won't succeed, lol. "Most destructive magic possible" is a too abstract of a claim when she doesn't show anything comparable to Mazda or Kroak in practice.
    SaintCorn said:

    "Most destructive magics possible"
    What is vague about it? Don't know conjuring storms stuff that kill and destroy.In the bad times novel Deatblade she telported armies around the battafield
    Can she move a mountain?
    DE have shown themself capable of moving/lifting big chunks of land with palaces on top of them and that is after they had exhausted a lot of energy to help Malekith's sundering.Don't see how are DE less comparable to slann than humans to elves

    "Most destructive magics possible" to who? To elves maybe. Again, no feats comparable to Slaan. Slaan can slay multiple greater daemons with ease, DE characters can kill one at best, if they're not too mean like Ka'bandha who only Sigmar could match in the ET. DE are absolutely laughable compared to someone like Mazda or Kroak if you take everything LM armybook says for granted.
    "She is not only the lone Witch Elf allowed to use Dark Magic but is also one of the most powerful magic-users in the world, rivalling perhaps even Nagash, the Lords of Change, and Teclis of Ulthuan. She has struck Daemonic pacts with many vile and disturbing forces, and can unleash the terrible power of Chaos upon those who displease her."

    https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Morathi#fn_2a

    So, Morathi is comparable to a Lord of Change or Teclis.
    Just as an FYI
    Oh yes, she is. If we take LM lore half-seriously, an average 2nd gen slaan is leagues above all of them though.
    Exactly. Slann are ridiculously OP.
    They're just counterbalanced in lore by basically not being active or not agreeing or knowing the entirety of what they should do.

    Morathi is powerful, but she is maybe as strong as the single greatest human or undead caster Nagash. And she is definitely on par with a Lord of Change or Teclis who are very far from a Slann.
    Lmao one of the most powerful magic users of the world but is not comparable to a slann really?
    Dude, you don't seem to understand the lore.

    Slann are stupidly OP when it comes to magic.

    Nobody gets close to their tier when it comes magic.
    So, Morathi being one of the most powerful elves magic-wise makes her a good caster, but she is specifically compared to a Lord of Change.
    No Lord of Change is on par with a fifth generation Slann.
    Hell, even named, more powerful lords of change aren't on par with Slann.

    So, you can either continue with this bizarre Dark Elves are the strongest at everything ever schtick, or do literally anything else that would be a more beneficial use of time.

  • MadDemiurgMadDemiurg Registered Users Posts: 4,737
    edited August 2021
    DE are not even half as powerful as HE to begin with, before comparing them to LM.

    If arguing for the elf side of things, I would use HE characters and armies as the main arguments.

  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 34,572

    Simply hyperbole. She's not a particularly strong caster by Warhammer standards. Top tier, but not at the top. Not by a long way.

    Bahahha

    That doesn't even say she knows how to destroy it, only that she'll try. Well, she won't succeed, lol. "Most destructive magic possible" is a too abstract of a claim when she doesn't show anything comparable to Mazda or Kroak in practice.

    Yeah there being no doubt means she will fail .You are right it states that her knowledge of destructive magic is powerful enough to destroy the world.
    yes its unbinding the vortex

    congrats thats what she knows how to do
    So basically she can press the "everyone loses" button?
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  • MadDemiurgMadDemiurg Registered Users Posts: 4,737

    Simply hyperbole. She's not a particularly strong caster by Warhammer standards. Top tier, but not at the top. Not by a long way.

    Bahahha

    That doesn't even say she knows how to destroy it, only that she'll try. Well, she won't succeed, lol. "Most destructive magic possible" is a too abstract of a claim when she doesn't show anything comparable to Mazda or Kroak in practice.

    Yeah there being no doubt means she will fail .You are right it states that her knowledge of destructive magic is powerful enough to destroy the world.
    yes its unbinding the vortex

    congrats thats what she knows how to do
    So basically she can press the "everyone loses" button?
    I would call it, "Chaos and Skaven win" button.

  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Registered Users Posts: 3,429

    Simply hyperbole. She's not a particularly strong caster by Warhammer standards. Top tier, but not at the top. Not by a long way.

    Bahahha

    That doesn't even say she knows how to destroy it, only that she'll try. Well, she won't succeed, lol. "Most destructive magic possible" is a too abstract of a claim when she doesn't show anything comparable to Mazda or Kroak in practice.

    Yeah there being no doubt means she will fail .You are right it states that her knowledge of destructive magic is powerful enough to destroy the world.
    yes its unbinding the vortex

    congrats thats what she knows how to do
    Why does it matter how she has the means

    >There is no doubt she will try to use it. There is also no doubt she would fail, lol. She can't even get rid of the daemon army besieging her tower in ET, Malekith needs to come in. Kroak clapped daemon armies like that all day long. What is the most destructive thing she actually accomplished?

    In the Bad times the world ended didn't it with no small help from her
    So, you can either continue with this bizarre Dark Elves are the strongest at everything ever schtick, or do literally anything else that would be a more beneficial use of time.

    You are the ones with slann are the most powerful thing ever shitik i am the one with they are comparable shitik

    She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.

    The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
  • Coldrage20Coldrage20 Registered Users Posts: 237

    Simply hyperbole. She's not a particularly strong caster by Warhammer standards. Top tier, but not at the top. Not by a long way.

    Bahahha

    That doesn't even say she knows how to destroy it, only that she'll try. Well, she won't succeed, lol. "Most destructive magic possible" is a too abstract of a claim when she doesn't show anything comparable to Mazda or Kroak in practice.

    Yeah there being no doubt means she will fail .You are right it states that her knowledge of destructive magic is powerful enough to destroy the world.
    yes its unbinding the vortex

    congrats thats what she knows how to do
    So basically she can press the "everyone loses" button?
    yep she was there when it was made and had a better understanding of it then almost any other living being besides the slann who made sure the vortex worked
  • SaintCornSaintCorn Registered Users Posts: 2,585

    Simply hyperbole. She's not a particularly strong caster by Warhammer standards. Top tier, but not at the top. Not by a long way.

    Bahahha

    That doesn't even say she knows how to destroy it, only that she'll try. Well, she won't succeed, lol. "Most destructive magic possible" is a too abstract of a claim when she doesn't show anything comparable to Mazda or Kroak in practice.

    Yeah there being no doubt means she will fail .You are right it states that her knowledge of destructive magic is powerful enough to destroy the world.
    yes its unbinding the vortex

    congrats thats what she knows how to do
    Why does it matter how she has the means

    >There is no doubt she will try to use it. There is also no doubt she would fail, lol. She can't even get rid of the daemon army besieging her tower in ET, Malekith needs to come in. Kroak clapped daemon armies like that all day long. What is the most destructive thing she actually accomplished?

    In the Bad times the world ended didn't it with no small help from her
    So, you can either continue with this bizarre Dark Elves are the strongest at everything ever schtick, or do literally anything else that would be a more beneficial use of time.

    You are the ones with slann are the most powerful thing ever shitik i am the one with they are comparable shitik
    Except they are literally not comparable.
    The lore literally doesn't compare the two because they aren't comparable.
    So, good job, you kinda proved my point on accident.

  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 34,572
    That she's able to kill everyone except Chaos and Skaven including herself with her magic isn't impressive in the slightest. That's not power. That's literally losing. Power is the ability to do something to win.

    Morathi and Slann are comparable. The comparison is that the Slann are vastly more powerful magic users.
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  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Registered Users Posts: 3,429
    SaintCorn said:

    Simply hyperbole. She's not a particularly strong caster by Warhammer standards. Top tier, but not at the top. Not by a long way.

    Bahahha

    That doesn't even say she knows how to destroy it, only that she'll try. Well, she won't succeed, lol. "Most destructive magic possible" is a too abstract of a claim when she doesn't show anything comparable to Mazda or Kroak in practice.

    Yeah there being no doubt means she will fail .You are right it states that her knowledge of destructive magic is powerful enough to destroy the world.
    yes its unbinding the vortex

    congrats thats what she knows how to do
    Why does it matter how she has the means

    >There is no doubt she will try to use it. There is also no doubt she would fail, lol. She can't even get rid of the daemon army besieging her tower in ET, Malekith needs to come in. Kroak clapped daemon armies like that all day long. What is the most destructive thing she actually accomplished?

    In the Bad times the world ended didn't it with no small help from her
    So, you can either continue with this bizarre Dark Elves are the strongest at everything ever schtick, or do literally anything else that would be a more beneficial use of time.

    You are the ones with slann are the most powerful thing ever shitik i am the one with they are comparable shitik
    Except they are literally not comparable.
    The lore literally doesn't compare the two because they aren't comparable.
    So, good job, you kinda proved my point on accident.
    Yeat except a Morathi has killed a slann and no slann has killed a Morathi

    She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.

    The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 19,251

    "Most destructive magics possible"
    What is vague about it? Don't know conjuring storms stuff that kill and destroy.In the bad times novel Deatblade she telported armies around the battafield
    Can she move a mountain?
    DE have shown themself capable of moving/lifting big chunks of land with palaces on top of them and that is after they had exhausted a lot of energy to help Malekith's sundering.Don't see how are DE less comparable to slann than humans to elves

    "Most destructive magics possible" to who? To elves maybe. Again, no feats comparable to Slaan. Slaan can slay multiple greater daemons with ease, DE characters can kill one at best, if they're not too mean like Ka'bandha who only Sigmar could match in the ET. DE are absolutely laughable compared to someone like Mazda or Kroak if you take everything LM armybook says for granted.
    It is not compare to anyone it is just most powerful destructive magics possible. You are trying hard to missunderstand hard aren't you

    Simply hyperbole. She's not a particularly strong caster by Warhammer standards. Top tier, but not at the top. Not by a long way.
    ‘She’s not strong; she’s top tier though’.

    More good stuff..
  • MadDemiurgMadDemiurg Registered Users Posts: 4,737
    edited August 2021

    Simply hyperbole. She's not a particularly strong caster by Warhammer standards. Top tier, but not at the top. Not by a long way.

    Bahahha

    That doesn't even say she knows how to destroy it, only that she'll try. Well, she won't succeed, lol. "Most destructive magic possible" is a too abstract of a claim when she doesn't show anything comparable to Mazda or Kroak in practice.

    Yeah there being no doubt means she will fail .You are right it states that her knowledge of destructive magic is powerful enough to destroy the world.
    yes its unbinding the vortex

    congrats thats what she knows how to do
    Why does it matter how she has the means

    >There is no doubt she will try to use it. There is also no doubt she would fail, lol. She can't even get rid of the daemon army besieging her tower in ET, Malekith needs to come in. Kroak clapped daemon armies like that all day long. What is the most destructive thing she actually accomplished?

    In the Bad times the world ended didn't it with no small help from her
    So, you can either continue with this bizarre Dark Elves are the strongest at everything ever schtick, or do literally anything else that would be a more beneficial use of time.

    You are the ones with slann are the most powerful thing ever shitik i am the one with they are comparable shitik
    You mean she runs into the vortex and randomly disrupts the ritual to then get eaten by Slaanesh? So much destruction, and that's definitely what she wanted to do.

  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 34,572

    SaintCorn said:

    Simply hyperbole. She's not a particularly strong caster by Warhammer standards. Top tier, but not at the top. Not by a long way.

    Bahahha

    That doesn't even say she knows how to destroy it, only that she'll try. Well, she won't succeed, lol. "Most destructive magic possible" is a too abstract of a claim when she doesn't show anything comparable to Mazda or Kroak in practice.

    Yeah there being no doubt means she will fail .You are right it states that her knowledge of destructive magic is powerful enough to destroy the world.
    yes its unbinding the vortex

    congrats thats what she knows how to do
    Why does it matter how she has the means

    >There is no doubt she will try to use it. There is also no doubt she would fail, lol. She can't even get rid of the daemon army besieging her tower in ET, Malekith needs to come in. Kroak clapped daemon armies like that all day long. What is the most destructive thing she actually accomplished?

    In the Bad times the world ended didn't it with no small help from her
    So, you can either continue with this bizarre Dark Elves are the strongest at everything ever schtick, or do literally anything else that would be a more beneficial use of time.

    You are the ones with slann are the most powerful thing ever shitik i am the one with they are comparable shitik
    Except they are literally not comparable.
    The lore literally doesn't compare the two because they aren't comparable.
    So, good job, you kinda proved my point on accident.
    Yeat except a Morathi has killed a slann and no slann has killed a Morathi
    Yet she didn't even capture that one. It was brought to her by raid fleets, most of which died in the attempt.

    This also wasn't a magical duel of any description. Had it been she would have simply lost.
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  • TheShiroOfDaltonTheShiroOfDalton Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 34,001
    edited August 2021

    Simply hyperbole. She's not a particularly strong caster by Warhammer standards. Top tier, but not at the top. Not by a long way.

    Bahahha

    That doesn't even say she knows how to destroy it, only that she'll try. Well, she won't succeed, lol. "Most destructive magic possible" is a too abstract of a claim when she doesn't show anything comparable to Mazda or Kroak in practice.

    Yeah there being no doubt means she will fail .You are right it states that her knowledge of destructive magic is powerful enough to destroy the world.
    There is no doubt she will try to use it. There is also no doubt she would fail, lol. She can't even get rid of the daemon army besieging her tower in ET, Malekith needs to come in. Kroak clapped daemon armies like that all day long. What is the most destructive thing she actually accomplished?
    Boinking her son. It destroyed the elf empire. She's got the reverse Midas touch, everything she fingers crumbles into crud.
  • SaintCornSaintCorn Registered Users Posts: 2,585

    SaintCorn said:

    Simply hyperbole. She's not a particularly strong caster by Warhammer standards. Top tier, but not at the top. Not by a long way.

    Bahahha

    That doesn't even say she knows how to destroy it, only that she'll try. Well, she won't succeed, lol. "Most destructive magic possible" is a too abstract of a claim when she doesn't show anything comparable to Mazda or Kroak in practice.

    Yeah there being no doubt means she will fail .You are right it states that her knowledge of destructive magic is powerful enough to destroy the world.
    yes its unbinding the vortex

    congrats thats what she knows how to do
    Why does it matter how she has the means

    >There is no doubt she will try to use it. There is also no doubt she would fail, lol. She can't even get rid of the daemon army besieging her tower in ET, Malekith needs to come in. Kroak clapped daemon armies like that all day long. What is the most destructive thing she actually accomplished?

    In the Bad times the world ended didn't it with no small help from her
    So, you can either continue with this bizarre Dark Elves are the strongest at everything ever schtick, or do literally anything else that would be a more beneficial use of time.

    You are the ones with slann are the most powerful thing ever shitik i am the one with they are comparable shitik
    Except they are literally not comparable.
    The lore literally doesn't compare the two because they aren't comparable.
    So, good job, you kinda proved my point on accident.
    Yeat except a Morathi has killed a slann and no slann has killed a Morathi
    She got assassins to kill what? A sleeping Slann.
    She didn't overpower a Slann with magic. She just hired people to kill a sleeping one.
    So, that doesn't show that she's stronger than a Slann. It shows that she can hire people who can kill a sleeping target, so

    Nice try, no dice.

  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 34,572

    "Most destructive magics possible"
    What is vague about it? Don't know conjuring storms stuff that kill and destroy.In the bad times novel Deatblade she telported armies around the battafield
    Can she move a mountain?
    DE have shown themself capable of moving/lifting big chunks of land with palaces on top of them and that is after they had exhausted a lot of energy to help Malekith's sundering.Don't see how are DE less comparable to slann than humans to elves

    "Most destructive magics possible" to who? To elves maybe. Again, no feats comparable to Slaan. Slaan can slay multiple greater daemons with ease, DE characters can kill one at best, if they're not too mean like Ka'bandha who only Sigmar could match in the ET. DE are absolutely laughable compared to someone like Mazda or Kroak if you take everything LM armybook says for granted.
    It is not compare to anyone it is just most powerful destructive magics possible. You are trying hard to missunderstand hard aren't you

    Simply hyperbole. She's not a particularly strong caster by Warhammer standards. Top tier, but not at the top. Not by a long way.
    ‘She’s not strong; she’s top tier though’.

    More good stuff..
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  • Coldrage20Coldrage20 Registered Users Posts: 237

    Simply hyperbole. She's not a particularly strong caster by Warhammer standards. Top tier, but not at the top. Not by a long way.

    Bahahha

    That doesn't even say she knows how to destroy it, only that she'll try. Well, she won't succeed, lol. "Most destructive magic possible" is a too abstract of a claim when she doesn't show anything comparable to Mazda or Kroak in practice.

    Yeah there being no doubt means she will fail .You are right it states that her knowledge of destructive magic is powerful enough to destroy the world.
    There is no doubt she will try to use it. There is also no doubt she would fail, lol. She can't even get rid of the daemon army besieging her tower in ET, Malekith needs to come in. Kroak clapped daemon armies like that all day long. What is the most destructive thing she actually accomplished?
    Boinking her son. It destroyed the elf empire. She's got the reverse Midas touch, everything she fingers crumbles into crud.
    she is literally the reason why the elves are in decline yes, everything can be traced back to her
  • MadDemiurgMadDemiurg Registered Users Posts: 4,737

    Simply hyperbole. She's not a particularly strong caster by Warhammer standards. Top tier, but not at the top. Not by a long way.

    Bahahha

    That doesn't even say she knows how to destroy it, only that she'll try. Well, she won't succeed, lol. "Most destructive magic possible" is a too abstract of a claim when she doesn't show anything comparable to Mazda or Kroak in practice.

    Yeah there being no doubt means she will fail .You are right it states that her knowledge of destructive magic is powerful enough to destroy the world.
    There is no doubt she will try to use it. There is also no doubt she would fail, lol. She can't even get rid of the daemon army besieging her tower in ET, Malekith needs to come in. Kroak clapped daemon armies like that all day long. What is the most destructive thing she actually accomplished?
    Boinking her son. It destroyed the elf empire. She's got the reverse Midas touch, everything she fingers crumbles into crud.
    she is literally the reason why the elves are in decline yes, everything can be traced back to her
    That's a good point, she's pretty good at failing her own race. Probably the only thing she's really good at.

  • TheShiroOfDaltonTheShiroOfDalton Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 34,001
    She seducted her son and he became a walking lump of coal, she meddled with the elf empire and it became a shadow of it former self and locked into a fruitless civil war. She dabbled with daemons and was eaten by Slaanesh.

    And Hellebron would be prettier than her if she didn't hoard the secret to her skin lotion out of envy.

    She's kind of pathetic, like most Druchii are.

  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 34,572
    The power to lose is power in a way, but it's not exactly the type of power you want to brag about or that will help win a war.
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  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Registered Users Posts: 3,429

    Simply hyperbole. She's not a particularly strong caster by Warhammer standards. Top tier, but not at the top. Not by a long way.

    Bahahha

    That doesn't even say she knows how to destroy it, only that she'll try. Well, she won't succeed, lol. "Most destructive magic possible" is a too abstract of a claim when she doesn't show anything comparable to Mazda or Kroak in practice.

    Yeah there being no doubt means she will fail .You are right it states that her knowledge of destructive magic is powerful enough to destroy the world.
    yes its unbinding the vortex

    congrats thats what she knows how to do
    Why does it matter how she has the means

    >There is no doubt she will try to use it. There is also no doubt she would fail, lol. She can't even get rid of the daemon army besieging her tower in ET, Malekith needs to come in. Kroak clapped daemon armies like that all day long. What is the most destructive thing she actually accomplished?

    In the Bad times the world ended didn't it with no small help from her
    So, you can either continue with this bizarre Dark Elves are the strongest at everything ever schtick, or do literally anything else that would be a more beneficial use of time.

    You are the ones with slann are the most powerful thing ever shitik i am the one with they are comparable shitik
    You mean she runs into the vortex and randomly disrupts the ritual to then get eaten by Slaanesh? So much destruction, much wow.
    Yeah that it took Caledor Dragontamer and Slaanesh to stop her shows how weak she is
    I am sure every time a LM army took a slann as leader they auto won.Anyways i am done with you guys who think a generic slann would be a match for any of the named most powerful characters since it is offtopic.

    She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.

    The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
  • TheShiroOfDaltonTheShiroOfDalton Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 34,001

    Simply hyperbole. She's not a particularly strong caster by Warhammer standards. Top tier, but not at the top. Not by a long way.

    Bahahha

    That doesn't even say she knows how to destroy it, only that she'll try. Well, she won't succeed, lol. "Most destructive magic possible" is a too abstract of a claim when she doesn't show anything comparable to Mazda or Kroak in practice.

    Yeah there being no doubt means she will fail .You are right it states that her knowledge of destructive magic is powerful enough to destroy the world.
    yes its unbinding the vortex

    congrats thats what she knows how to do
    Why does it matter how she has the means

    >There is no doubt she will try to use it. There is also no doubt she would fail, lol. She can't even get rid of the daemon army besieging her tower in ET, Malekith needs to come in. Kroak clapped daemon armies like that all day long. What is the most destructive thing she actually accomplished?

    In the Bad times the world ended didn't it with no small help from her
    So, you can either continue with this bizarre Dark Elves are the strongest at everything ever schtick, or do literally anything else that would be a more beneficial use of time.

    You are the ones with slann are the most powerful thing ever shitik i am the one with they are comparable shitik
    You mean she runs into the vortex and randomly disrupts the ritual to then get eaten by Slaanesh? So much destruction, much wow.
    Yeah that it took Caledor Dragontamer and Slaanesh to stop her shows how weak she is
    I am sure every time a LM army took a slann as leader they auto won.Anyways i am done with you guys who think a generic slann would be a match for any of the named most powerful characters since it is offtopic.
    Yeah, a little kid throwing a tantrum in a china shop and smashing everything to bits shows the power of toddlers.
  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Registered Users Posts: 3,429
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    She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.

    The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
  • Coldrage20Coldrage20 Registered Users Posts: 237

    Simply hyperbole. She's not a particularly strong caster by Warhammer standards. Top tier, but not at the top. Not by a long way.

    Bahahha

    That doesn't even say she knows how to destroy it, only that she'll try. Well, she won't succeed, lol. "Most destructive magic possible" is a too abstract of a claim when she doesn't show anything comparable to Mazda or Kroak in practice.

    Yeah there being no doubt means she will fail .You are right it states that her knowledge of destructive magic is powerful enough to destroy the world.
    yes its unbinding the vortex

    congrats thats what she knows how to do
    Why does it matter how she has the means

    >There is no doubt she will try to use it. There is also no doubt she would fail, lol. She can't even get rid of the daemon army besieging her tower in ET, Malekith needs to come in. Kroak clapped daemon armies like that all day long. What is the most destructive thing she actually accomplished?

    In the Bad times the world ended didn't it with no small help from her
    So, you can either continue with this bizarre Dark Elves are the strongest at everything ever schtick, or do literally anything else that would be a more beneficial use of time.

    You are the ones with slann are the most powerful thing ever shitik i am the one with they are comparable shitik
    You mean she runs into the vortex and randomly disrupts the ritual to then get eaten by Slaanesh? So much destruction, much wow.
    Yeah that it took Caledor Dragontamer and Slaanesh to stop her shows how weak she is
    I am sure every time a LM army took a slann as leader they auto won.Anyways i am done with you guys who think a generic slann would be a match for any of the named most powerful characters since it is offtopic.
    because they are, slann move mountions caused the downfall of the dwarf empire by causing earthquakes, shot chucks of the moon out of the air when they were falling to Earth are the ones that made the vortex even work etc. The thing that "balance" the slann in lore is they are slow reacting to the world around them

    best part tho is when she would die to the collages of magic from all over the world just bombing her
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