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  • MadDemiurgMadDemiurg Registered Users Posts: 4,738

    We have multiple examples of dark elves successfully raiding something but never winning in a big battle of armies.


    Rakarth led an entire army comprised of horrific monsters and Dark Elves, ravaging the lands of Norsca and culminating into a massive siege of Brionne in Bretonnia, where he faced the army of the famed hero Duke, Corentin

    Not a big battle you say
    https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Corentin_of_Brionne

    That's the actual story.
    1. Doesn't sound like a big battle
    2. Knights perform quite well, slaying many hydras before dying
    3. Duke literally prayed about a glorious death and it was answered by a Damsel, so you can say it was prearranged
    4. Doesn't have any lasting impact as Brionne is still prosperous

  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Registered Users Posts: 3,429
    edited August 2021

    We have multiple examples of dark elves successfully raiding something but never winning in a big battle of armies.


    Rakarth led an entire army comprised of horrific monsters and Dark Elves, ravaging the lands of Norsca and culminating into a massive siege of Brionne in Bretonnia, where he faced the army of the famed hero Duke, Corentin

    Not a big battle you say
    https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Corentin_of_Brionne

    That's the actual story.
    1. Doesn't sound like a big battle
    2. Knights perform quite well, slaying many hydras before dying
    3. Duke literally prayed about a glorious death and it was answered by a Damsel, so you can say it was prearranged
    4. Doesn't have any lasting impact as Brionne is still prosperous
    https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Rakarth
    Why does it have to have lasting impact for it to be a big battle ?

    She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.

    The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
  • MadDemiurgMadDemiurg Registered Users Posts: 4,738
    edited August 2021

    We have multiple examples of dark elves successfully raiding something but never winning in a big battle of armies.


    Rakarth led an entire army comprised of horrific monsters and Dark Elves, ravaging the lands of Norsca and culminating into a massive siege of Brionne in Bretonnia, where he faced the army of the famed hero Duke, Corentin

    Not a big battle you say
    https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Corentin_of_Brionne

    That's the actual story.
    1. Doesn't sound like a big battle
    2. Knights perform quite well, slaying many hydras before dying
    3. Duke literally prayed about a glorious death and it was answered by a Damsel, so you can say it was prearranged
    4. Doesn't have any lasting impact as Brionne is still prosperous
    https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Rakarth
    So, you give me a reference to 2 sentences in Rakarth's background, I give you the whole detailed story (I haven't read the short story but wiki has a decent summary)

  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Registered Users Posts: 3,429
    edited August 2021

    We have multiple examples of dark elves successfully raiding something but never winning in a big battle of armies.


    Rakarth led an entire army comprised of horrific monsters and Dark Elves, ravaging the lands of Norsca and culminating into a massive siege of Brionne in Bretonnia, where he faced the army of the famed hero Duke, Corentin

    Not a big battle you say
    https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Corentin_of_Brionne

    That's the actual story.
    1. Doesn't sound like a big battle
    2. Knights perform quite well, slaying many hydras before dying
    3. Duke literally prayed about a glorious death and it was answered by a Damsel, so you can say it was prearranged
    4. Doesn't have any lasting impact as Brionne is still prosperous
    https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Rakarth
    So, you give me a reference to 2 sentences in Rakarth's background, I give you the whole detailed story.
    I give it to you cause in no uncertain terms it says it is a massive siege . So that we do not need to speculate if it is big or not

    She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.

    The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
  • TheShiroOfDaltonTheShiroOfDalton Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 34,001
    edited August 2021

    We have multiple examples of dark elves successfully raiding something but never winning in a big battle of armies.


    Rakarth led an entire army comprised of horrific monsters and Dark Elves, ravaging the lands of Norsca and culminating into a massive siege of Brionne in Bretonnia, where he faced the army of the famed hero Duke, Corentin

    Not a big battle you say
    https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Corentin_of_Brionne

    That's the actual story.
    1. Doesn't sound like a big battle
    2. Knights perform quite well, slaying many hydras before dying
    3. Duke literally prayed about a glorious death and it was answered by a Damsel, so you can say it was prearranged
    4. Doesn't have any lasting impact as Brionne is still prosperous
    https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Rakarth
    So, you give me a reference to 2 sentences in Rakarth's background, I give you the whole detailed story.
    I give it to you cause in no uncertain terms it says it is a massive siege . So that we do not need to speculate if it is big or not
    Since you try to show how impressive the Druchii are vis-a-vis human nations, mentioning battles with any lasting effect would be better than mentioning battles that only show up in obscure lore blurbs and might as well not have happened for all the lack of effect they had in the long run.
  • MadDemiurgMadDemiurg Registered Users Posts: 4,738
    edited August 2021

    We have multiple examples of dark elves successfully raiding something but never winning in a big battle of armies.


    Rakarth led an entire army comprised of horrific monsters and Dark Elves, ravaging the lands of Norsca and culminating into a massive siege of Brionne in Bretonnia, where he faced the army of the famed hero Duke, Corentin

    Not a big battle you say
    https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Corentin_of_Brionne

    That's the actual story.
    1. Doesn't sound like a big battle
    2. Knights perform quite well, slaying many hydras before dying
    3. Duke literally prayed about a glorious death and it was answered by a Damsel, so you can say it was prearranged
    4. Doesn't have any lasting impact as Brionne is still prosperous
    https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Rakarth
    So, you give me a reference to 2 sentences in Rakarth's background, I give you the whole detailed story.
    I gabe to you caus in no uncertain terms it says it is a massive siege . So we do not need to speculate if it is big or not
    The actual event doesn't sound so massive when we read about it in more detail. Exaggeration? Is not a showcase of dark elf superiority either any more than the Fay story. Far less actually, since duke's fate seems to be determined based on his own wish.

  • Coldrage20Coldrage20 Registered Users Posts: 237
    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea."

    its ok guys
    they will win all the sea battles
  • TheShiroOfDaltonTheShiroOfDalton Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 34,001
    Here's an example: the siege of Praag during the Great War Against Chaos. It left the city permanently scarred and haunted with more chaos mutants being born in it for over a century.

    Battle of Hel Fenn, it "killed" Mannfred von Carstein and left him with such a major chip on his shoulder that he sabotaged the final attempt of saving the world during the endphase of the End Times.

    There, such battles do exist.
  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Registered Users Posts: 3,429

    We have multiple examples of dark elves successfully raiding something but never winning in a big battle of armies.


    Rakarth led an entire army comprised of horrific monsters and Dark Elves, ravaging the lands of Norsca and culminating into a massive siege of Brionne in Bretonnia, where he faced the army of the famed hero Duke, Corentin

    Not a big battle you say
    https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Corentin_of_Brionne

    That's the actual story.
    1. Doesn't sound like a big battle
    2. Knights perform quite well, slaying many hydras before dying
    3. Duke literally prayed about a glorious death and it was answered by a Damsel, so you can say it was prearranged
    4. Doesn't have any lasting impact as Brionne is still prosperous
    https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Rakarth
    So, you give me a reference to 2 sentences in Rakarth's background, I give you the whole detailed story.
    I gabe to you caus in no uncertain terms it says it is a massive siege . So we do not need to speculate if it is big or not
    The actual event doesn't sound so massive when we read about it in more detail. Exaggeration? Is not a showcase of dark elf superiority either any more than the Fay story. Far less actually, since duke's fate seems to be determined based on his own wish.
    This siege is not impressive
    The sacking of Marienberg is not immpresive
    Malekith literly 'punishing' whole Bretonia in event called The Taming of Bretonia is not immpresive
    DE tricking Karl Franz himself to lose a battle and then killing/enslaving The Beastman army is not that impressive eiter
    But some random raiders killed in a battle by the Fay Enchantress is mpressive
    Ok here is more



    She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.

    The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Registered Users Posts: 3,429

    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea."

    its ok guys
    they will win all the sea battles

    What is that quote suppose to show?

    She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.

    The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
  • Coldrage20Coldrage20 Registered Users Posts: 237

    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea."

    its ok guys
    they will win all the sea battles

    What is that quote suppose to show?
    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea.

    Although Black Arks started crossing the Boiling Sea and raiding the oriental lands of the farthest east in -87 IC, for the Dark Elves these were uncharted territories and for each fleet that returned with prizes and slaves, half a dozen came back to Naggaroth in failure."

    sorry forgot the other half thats the whole thing
  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Registered Users Posts: 3,429
    edited August 2021
    del no longer needed
    Post edited by HisShadowBG on

    She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.

    The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
  • Coldrage20Coldrage20 Registered Users Posts: 237

    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea."

    its ok guys
    they will win all the sea battles

    What is that quote suppose to show?
    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea.

    Although Black Arks started crossing the Boiling Sea and raiding the oriental lands of the farthest east in -87 IC, for the Dark Elves these were uncharted territories and for each fleet that returned with prizes and slaves, half a dozen came back to Naggaroth in failure."

    sorry forgot the other half thats the whole thing
    So only half succseeded in plundering which 6 out of 12 but most returned and that is suppose to be a big proof they are not win in naval warfare?
    half of there raids fail and its one in 6 come back failing AE having been fought off and losing.
  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Registered Users Posts: 3,429

    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea."

    its ok guys
    they will win all the sea battles

    What is that quote suppose to show?
    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea.

    Although Black Arks started crossing the Boiling Sea and raiding the oriental lands of the farthest east in -87 IC, for the Dark Elves these were uncharted territories and for each fleet that returned with prizes and slaves, half a dozen came back to Naggaroth in failure."

    sorry forgot the other half thats the whole thing
    So only half succseeded in plundering which 6 out of 12 but most returned and that is suppose to be a big proof they are not win in naval warfare?
    half of there raids fail and its one in 6 come back failing AE having been fought off and losing.
    Ok still they failed to raid but returned home safe

    She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.

    The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Registered Users Posts: 3,429
    edited August 2021





    Since the forum ate my post when i tried to edit here 2 more 'unimpressive' wins for the Elves


    Note how it says that they sacraficed the overpowered Grail Knights

    She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.

    The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
  • TheShiroOfDaltonTheShiroOfDalton Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 34,001

    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea."

    its ok guys
    they will win all the sea battles

    What is that quote suppose to show?
    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea.

    Although Black Arks started crossing the Boiling Sea and raiding the oriental lands of the farthest east in -87 IC, for the Dark Elves these were uncharted territories and for each fleet that returned with prizes and slaves, half a dozen came back to Naggaroth in failure."

    sorry forgot the other half thats the whole thing
    So only half succseeded in plundering which 6 out of 12 but most returned and that is suppose to be a big proof they are not win in naval warfare?
    half of there raids fail and its one in 6 come back failing AE having been fought off and losing.
    Ok still they failed to raid but returned home safe
    Brave Sir Druchii ran away
    Bravely ran away away
    When danger reared it's ugly head
    He bravely turned his tail and fled
    Yes, brave Sir Druchii turned about
    And gallantly he chickened out
    Swiftly taking to his feet,
    He beat a very brave retreat.
    Bravest of the brave, Sir Druchii!
  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 34,661

    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea."

    its ok guys
    they will win all the sea battles

    What is that quote suppose to show?
    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea.

    Although Black Arks started crossing the Boiling Sea and raiding the oriental lands of the farthest east in -87 IC, for the Dark Elves these were uncharted territories and for each fleet that returned with prizes and slaves, half a dozen came back to Naggaroth in failure."

    sorry forgot the other half thats the whole thing
    So only half succseeded in plundering which 6 out of 12 but most returned and that is suppose to be a big proof they are not win in naval warfare?
    That reads 6 failures for every single success.

    That's a horrendous outcome.
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  • Coldrage20Coldrage20 Registered Users Posts: 237

    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea."

    its ok guys
    they will win all the sea battles

    What is that quote suppose to show?
    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea.

    Although Black Arks started crossing the Boiling Sea and raiding the oriental lands of the farthest east in -87 IC, for the Dark Elves these were uncharted territories and for each fleet that returned with prizes and slaves, half a dozen came back to Naggaroth in failure."

    sorry forgot the other half thats the whole thing
    So only half succseeded in plundering which 6 out of 12 but most returned and that is suppose to be a big proof they are not win in naval warfare?
    half of there raids fail and its one in 6 come back failing AE having been fought off and losing.
    Ok still they failed to raid but returned home safe
    yes raider normally come home safe without a raid or being fended off of course thats how this very violent race that needs to get its money back on raiders or be considered a failer in sociality works
  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Registered Users Posts: 3,429

    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea."

    its ok guys
    they will win all the sea battles

    What is that quote suppose to show?
    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea.

    Although Black Arks started crossing the Boiling Sea and raiding the oriental lands of the farthest east in -87 IC, for the Dark Elves these were uncharted territories and for each fleet that returned with prizes and slaves, half a dozen came back to Naggaroth in failure."

    sorry forgot the other half thats the whole thing
    So only half succseeded in plundering which 6 out of 12 but most returned and that is suppose to be a big proof they are not win in naval warfare?
    half of there raids fail and its one in 6 come back failing AE having been fought off and losing.
    Ok still they failed to raid but returned home safe
    yes raider normally come home safe without a raid or being fended off of course thats how this very violent race that needs to get its money back on raiders or be considered a failer in sociality works
    It doesn't state why they failed it says it was uncharted waters so for all we know they just didn't find settelments to loot

    She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.

    The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
  • Coldrage20Coldrage20 Registered Users Posts: 237

    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea."

    its ok guys
    they will win all the sea battles

    What is that quote suppose to show?
    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea.

    Although Black Arks started crossing the Boiling Sea and raiding the oriental lands of the farthest east in -87 IC, for the Dark Elves these were uncharted territories and for each fleet that returned with prizes and slaves, half a dozen came back to Naggaroth in failure."

    sorry forgot the other half thats the whole thing
    So only half succseeded in plundering which 6 out of 12 but most returned and that is suppose to be a big proof they are not win in naval warfare?
    half of there raids fail and its one in 6 come back failing AE having been fought off and losing.
    Ok still they failed to raid but returned home safe
    yes raider normally come home safe without a raid or being fended off of course thats how this very violent race that needs to get its money back on raiders or be considered a failer in sociality works
    It doesn't state why they failed it says it was uncharted waters so for all we know they just didn't find settelments to loot
    Yes the dark elves who are known to sail the seas all over the world make it a common thing to turn back if they dont find anything to show for there horribly expensive expeditions
  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Registered Users Posts: 3,429

    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea."

    its ok guys
    they will win all the sea battles

    What is that quote suppose to show?
    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea.

    Although Black Arks started crossing the Boiling Sea and raiding the oriental lands of the farthest east in -87 IC, for the Dark Elves these were uncharted territories and for each fleet that returned with prizes and slaves, half a dozen came back to Naggaroth in failure."

    sorry forgot the other half thats the whole thing
    So only half succseeded in plundering which 6 out of 12 but most returned and that is suppose to be a big proof they are not win in naval warfare?
    half of there raids fail and its one in 6 come back failing AE having been fought off and losing.
    Ok still they failed to raid but returned home safe
    yes raider normally come home safe without a raid or being fended off of course thats how this very violent race that needs to get its money back on raiders or be considered a failer in sociality works
    It doesn't state why they failed it says it was uncharted waters so for all we know they just didn't find settelments to loot
    Yes the dark elves who are known to sail the seas all over the world make it a common thing to turn back if they dont find anything to show for there horribly expensive expeditions
    Ah yes let skip this part
    The most notable successes were by Laithikir Fellheart, latest in a long line of Black Ark commanders and as cunning a she-Elf as was ever born. By 1103 IC, Laithikir had learnt to follow the High Elf ships, her Black Ark swathed in shadow and storm, tracking their ever-increasing journeys to the lands of the orient. By shadowing the fleets of Ulthuan, she was able to raid the busy seaports and convoys that traded with the High Elves in Ind and Cathay. As word of her success grew, Laithikir sold her charts to other captains, and within a decade dozens of Dark Elf fleets were attacking the settlements of the mysterious Far East and bringing back tens of thousands of slaves and holds full of exotic wares such as witch jade, ivory, tigerfire, silk and spices. Ever-eager to show off their wealth and power, the Dark Elves prized these stolen wares highly and their value soared. Competition for the Witch King's permission to raid these lands fuelled a period of infighting and politicking that saw Malekith's coffers swell with gold and silver.[8a][8c]

    She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.

    The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Registered Users Posts: 3,429

    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea."

    its ok guys
    they will win all the sea battles

    What is that quote suppose to show?
    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea.

    Although Black Arks started crossing the Boiling Sea and raiding the oriental lands of the farthest east in -87 IC, for the Dark Elves these were uncharted territories and for each fleet that returned with prizes and slaves, half a dozen came back to Naggaroth in failure."

    sorry forgot the other half thats the whole thing
    So only half succseeded in plundering which 6 out of 12 but most returned and that is suppose to be a big proof they are not win in naval warfare?
    half of there raids fail and its one in 6 come back failing AE having been fought off and losing.
    Ok still they failed to raid but returned home safe
    yes raider normally come home safe without a raid or being fended off of course thats how this very violent race that needs to get its money back on raiders or be considered a failer in sociality works
    It doesn't state why they failed it says it was uncharted waters so for all we know they just didn't find settelments to loot
    Yes the dark elves who are known to sail the seas all over the world make it a common thing to turn back if they dont find anything to show for there horribly expensive expeditions
    Ah yes let skip this part
    The most notable successes were by Laithikir Fellheart, latest in a long line of Black Ark commanders and as cunning a she-Elf as was ever born. By 1103 IC, Laithikir had learnt to follow the High Elf ships, her Black Ark swathed in shadow and storm, tracking their ever-increasing journeys to the lands of the orient. By shadowing the fleets of Ulthuan, she was able to raid the busy seaports and convoys that traded with the High Elves in Ind and Cathay. As word of her success grew, Laithikir sold her charts to other captains, and within a decade dozens of Dark Elf fleets were attacking the settlements of the mysterious Far East and bringing back tens of thousands of slaves and holds full of exotic wares such as witch jade, ivory, tigerfire, silk and spices. Ever-eager to show off their wealth and power, the Dark Elves prized these stolen wares highly and their value soared. Competition for the Witch King's permission to raid these lands fuelled a period of infighting and politicking that saw Malekith's coffers swell with gold and silver.[8a][8c]
    And ends like this


    She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.

    The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
  • Metalhead69Metalhead69 Registered Users Posts: 280

    The Empire joins with the Kingdoms of Bretonnia, Kislev and the Southern Realms against the combined forces of the High, Wood and Dark Elves.

    Who would come out on top assuming no other races interfere.

    Would it be a global scale war the likes of which have not been seen since the great sundering? Or would the Elves, with superior magic, Dragons, and Navies just run over the Human races?

    Note if you feel Elves are still a mismatch to the European powers then you can add Araby, Cathay, Ind, Nippon, Albion and Norsca to the mix.

    If the case is United Elves Vs. United Old World then I think the elves would win solely because their understanding of magic is greater it would be a very bloody conflict but the elves would win in that scenario in my opinion.

    If the rest of the humans united then humanity would win by sheer mass of numbers since were including Cathay.
  • Coldrage20Coldrage20 Registered Users Posts: 237

    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea."

    its ok guys
    they will win all the sea battles

    What is that quote suppose to show?
    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea.

    Although Black Arks started crossing the Boiling Sea and raiding the oriental lands of the farthest east in -87 IC, for the Dark Elves these were uncharted territories and for each fleet that returned with prizes and slaves, half a dozen came back to Naggaroth in failure."

    sorry forgot the other half thats the whole thing
    So only half succseeded in plundering which 6 out of 12 but most returned and that is suppose to be a big proof they are not win in naval warfare?
    half of there raids fail and its one in 6 come back failing AE having been fought off and losing.
    Ok still they failed to raid but returned home safe
    yes raider normally come home safe without a raid or being fended off of course thats how this very violent race that needs to get its money back on raiders or be considered a failer in sociality works
    It doesn't state why they failed it says it was uncharted waters so for all we know they just didn't find settelments to loot
    Yes the dark elves who are known to sail the seas all over the world make it a common thing to turn back if they dont find anything to show for there horribly expensive expeditions
    Ah yes let skip this part
    The most notable successes were by Laithikir Fellheart, latest in a long line of Black Ark commanders and as cunning a she-Elf as was ever born. By 1103 IC, Laithikir had learnt to follow the High Elf ships, her Black Ark swathed in shadow and storm, tracking their ever-increasing journeys to the lands of the orient. By shadowing the fleets of Ulthuan, she was able to raid the busy seaports and convoys that traded with the High Elves in Ind and Cathay. As word of her success grew, Laithikir sold her charts to other captains, and within a decade dozens of Dark Elf fleets were attacking the settlements of the mysterious Far East and bringing back tens of thousands of slaves and holds full of exotic wares such as witch jade, ivory, tigerfire, silk and spices. Ever-eager to show off their wealth and power, the Dark Elves prized these stolen wares highly and their value soared. Competition for the Witch King's permission to raid these lands fuelled a period of infighting and politicking that saw Malekith's coffers swell with gold and silver.[8a][8c]
    congrates you found one of the times it worked for them 6 others failed for it
  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Registered Users Posts: 3,429

    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea."

    its ok guys
    they will win all the sea battles

    What is that quote suppose to show?
    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea.

    Although Black Arks started crossing the Boiling Sea and raiding the oriental lands of the farthest east in -87 IC, for the Dark Elves these were uncharted territories and for each fleet that returned with prizes and slaves, half a dozen came back to Naggaroth in failure."

    sorry forgot the other half thats the whole thing
    So only half succseeded in plundering which 6 out of 12 but most returned and that is suppose to be a big proof they are not win in naval warfare?
    half of there raids fail and its one in 6 come back failing AE having been fought off and losing.
    Ok still they failed to raid but returned home safe
    yes raider normally come home safe without a raid or being fended off of course thats how this very violent race that needs to get its money back on raiders or be considered a failer in sociality works
    It doesn't state why they failed it says it was uncharted waters so for all we know they just didn't find settelments to loot
    Yes the dark elves who are known to sail the seas all over the world make it a common thing to turn back if they dont find anything to show for there horribly expensive expeditions
    Ah yes let skip this part
    The most notable successes were by Laithikir Fellheart, latest in a long line of Black Ark commanders and as cunning a she-Elf as was ever born. By 1103 IC, Laithikir had learnt to follow the High Elf ships, her Black Ark swathed in shadow and storm, tracking their ever-increasing journeys to the lands of the orient. By shadowing the fleets of Ulthuan, she was able to raid the busy seaports and convoys that traded with the High Elves in Ind and Cathay. As word of her success grew, Laithikir sold her charts to other captains, and within a decade dozens of Dark Elf fleets were attacking the settlements of the mysterious Far East and bringing back tens of thousands of slaves and holds full of exotic wares such as witch jade, ivory, tigerfire, silk and spices. Ever-eager to show off their wealth and power, the Dark Elves prized these stolen wares highly and their value soared. Competition for the Witch King's permission to raid these lands fuelled a period of infighting and politicking that saw Malekith's coffers swell with gold and silver.[8a][8c]
    congrates you found one of the times it worked for them 6 others failed for it
    There is even more but you get the picture it is from DE 7th edition and it does not paint a pretty picture for the humans


    She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.

    The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
  • Coldrage20Coldrage20 Registered Users Posts: 237

    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea."

    its ok guys
    they will win all the sea battles

    What is that quote suppose to show?
    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea.

    Although Black Arks started crossing the Boiling Sea and raiding the oriental lands of the farthest east in -87 IC, for the Dark Elves these were uncharted territories and for each fleet that returned with prizes and slaves, half a dozen came back to Naggaroth in failure."

    sorry forgot the other half thats the whole thing
    So only half succseeded in plundering which 6 out of 12 but most returned and that is suppose to be a big proof they are not win in naval warfare?
    half of there raids fail and its one in 6 come back failing AE having been fought off and losing.
    Ok still they failed to raid but returned home safe
    yes raider normally come home safe without a raid or being fended off of course thats how this very violent race that needs to get its money back on raiders or be considered a failer in sociality works
    It doesn't state why they failed it says it was uncharted waters so for all we know they just didn't find settelments to loot
    Yes the dark elves who are known to sail the seas all over the world make it a common thing to turn back if they dont find anything to show for there horribly expensive expeditions
    Ah yes let skip this part
    The most notable successes were by Laithikir Fellheart, latest in a long line of Black Ark commanders and as cunning a she-Elf as was ever born. By 1103 IC, Laithikir had learnt to follow the High Elf ships, her Black Ark swathed in shadow and storm, tracking their ever-increasing journeys to the lands of the orient. By shadowing the fleets of Ulthuan, she was able to raid the busy seaports and convoys that traded with the High Elves in Ind and Cathay. As word of her success grew, Laithikir sold her charts to other captains, and within a decade dozens of Dark Elf fleets were attacking the settlements of the mysterious Far East and bringing back tens of thousands of slaves and holds full of exotic wares such as witch jade, ivory, tigerfire, silk and spices. Ever-eager to show off their wealth and power, the Dark Elves prized these stolen wares highly and their value soared. Competition for the Witch King's permission to raid these lands fuelled a period of infighting and politicking that saw Malekith's coffers swell with gold and silver.[8a][8c]
    congrates you found one of the times it worked for them 6 others failed for it
    There is even more but you get the picture it is from DE 7th edition and it does not paint a pretty picture for the humans

    you got 2 so that means 12 raids have failed at least so far impressive
  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Registered Users Posts: 3,429

    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea."

    its ok guys
    they will win all the sea battles

    What is that quote suppose to show?
    "In -238 IC, the great Dark Elf Shade Kaledor Maglen discovered and explored the Black Way, a route through the water-filled caverns of the Underworld Sea that allows Druchii Black Arks to pass below the Black Spine Mountains to the Broken Lands and the Boiling Sea on the west coast of the New World. Although evidence has been found pointing to the existence of some lost race living there underground, the Naggarothi care little about them, and instead are happy to use the Underworld Sea to gain access to the lands of Nippon and Cathay which lie beyond the Far Sea.

    Although Black Arks started crossing the Boiling Sea and raiding the oriental lands of the farthest east in -87 IC, for the Dark Elves these were uncharted territories and for each fleet that returned with prizes and slaves, half a dozen came back to Naggaroth in failure."

    sorry forgot the other half thats the whole thing
    So only half succseeded in plundering which 6 out of 12 but most returned and that is suppose to be a big proof they are not win in naval warfare?
    half of there raids fail and its one in 6 come back failing AE having been fought off and losing.
    Ok still they failed to raid but returned home safe
    yes raider normally come home safe without a raid or being fended off of course thats how this very violent race that needs to get its money back on raiders or be considered a failer in sociality works
    It doesn't state why they failed it says it was uncharted waters so for all we know they just didn't find settelments to loot
    Yes the dark elves who are known to sail the seas all over the world make it a common thing to turn back if they dont find anything to show for there horribly expensive expeditions
    Ah yes let skip this part
    The most notable successes were by Laithikir Fellheart, latest in a long line of Black Ark commanders and as cunning a she-Elf as was ever born. By 1103 IC, Laithikir had learnt to follow the High Elf ships, her Black Ark swathed in shadow and storm, tracking their ever-increasing journeys to the lands of the orient. By shadowing the fleets of Ulthuan, she was able to raid the busy seaports and convoys that traded with the High Elves in Ind and Cathay. As word of her success grew, Laithikir sold her charts to other captains, and within a decade dozens of Dark Elf fleets were attacking the settlements of the mysterious Far East and bringing back tens of thousands of slaves and holds full of exotic wares such as witch jade, ivory, tigerfire, silk and spices. Ever-eager to show off their wealth and power, the Dark Elves prized these stolen wares highly and their value soared. Competition for the Witch King's permission to raid these lands fuelled a period of infighting and politicking that saw Malekith's coffers swell with gold and silver.[8a][8c]
    congrates you found one of the times it worked for them 6 others failed for it
    There is even more but you get the picture it is from DE 7th edition and it does not paint a pretty picture for the humans

    you got 2 so that means 12 raids have failed at least so far impressive
    You don't understand this is a story about how the DEs raiding fleets become more and more powerful till they go to their current state. Here is the start


    She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.

    The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
  • Coldrage20Coldrage20 Registered Users Posts: 237
    you know for being a dark elf i dont think you have ever looked at anything besides there codex lol its amazing how hard you are trying to push this. the thing that made fellheart successful is he is one of the few dark elves who can raid the east repeatedly and not die. doesnt change the fact that the majorty of there raids end in failers and that means when they get home they get stabbed for being a failer
  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Registered Users Posts: 3,429

    you know for being a dark elf i dont think you have ever looked at anything besides there codex lol its amazing how hard you are trying to push this. the thing that made fellheart successful is he is one of the few dark elves who can raid the east repeatedly and not die. doesnt change the fact that the majorty of there raids end in failers and that means when they get home they get stabbed for being a failer

    Brings up something from DE armybook which does not favor the humans then complains about it. If you want examples from other armybooks use them.It is only about the DE raiding fleets anyways which are only 'second' best naval power compared to the HEs and we are mesuring their combined power here.

    She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.

    The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
  • Coldrage20Coldrage20 Registered Users Posts: 237

    you know for being a dark elf i dont think you have ever looked at anything besides there codex lol its amazing how hard you are trying to push this. the thing that made fellheart successful is he is one of the few dark elves who can raid the east repeatedly and not die. doesnt change the fact that the majorty of there raids end in failers and that means when they get home they get stabbed for being a failer

    Brings up something from DE armybook which does not favor the humans then complains about it. If you want examples from other armybooks use them.It is only about the DE raiding fleets anyways which are only 'second' best naval power compared to the HEs and we are mesuring their combined power here.
    they fail agaisnt the eastern fleets and brets regularly who combined would be on part with high and dark elfs
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