Bracing

drogarito#2548

How long does it take for unit to get the bracing buff? If a cavalry is charging head on to my melee unit and i suddenly press stop, will the unit before charged have bracing buff?

Killertut#9655

you can see if a unit is braced, it will display a unique animation (eg. raising shields and spears and creating a spear wall light)

FrostPaw#5051

If you have moved in the last 3-4 seconds, I would assume you are not braced. At the end of the day, cavalry should be able to flank and charge you before you reposition. So start countering with cavalry or focusing missile fire on enemy cav.

CA_Duck

drogarito92 said:

How long does it take for unit to get the bracing buff? If a cavalry is charging head on to my melee unit and i suddenly press stop, will the unit before charged have bracing buff?

It's determined on an entity state level, so if the entity had the time to stop, they'll be braced.

drogarito#2548

Thanks for info!

Processing#6286

CA_Duck said:

drogarito92 said:

How long does it take for unit to get the bracing buff? If a cavalry is charging head on to my melee unit and i suddenly press stop, will the unit before charged have bracing buff?

It's determined on an entity state level, so if the entity had the time to stop, they'll be braced.

Wait, so if I issue a "stop" order but some models in a unit still move to catch up, do the rest of the models who stand still get a bracing buff?

CA_Duck

Processing said:

CA_Duck said:

drogarito92 said:

How long does it take for unit to get the bracing buff? If a cavalry is charging head on to my melee unit and i suddenly press stop, will the unit before charged have bracing buff?

It's determined on an entity state level, so if the entity had the time to stop, they'll be braced.

Wait, so if I issue a "stop" order but some models in a unit still move to catch up, do the rest of the models who stand still get a bracing buff?

Yes, that is correct.

Processing#6286

CA_Duck said:

Processing said:

CA_Duck said:

drogarito92 said:

How long does it take for unit to get the bracing buff? If a cavalry is charging head on to my melee unit and i suddenly press stop, will the unit before charged have bracing buff?

It's determined on an entity state level, so if the entity had the time to stop, they'll be braced.

Wait, so if I issue a "stop" order but some models in a unit still move to catch up, do the rest of the models who stand still get a bracing buff?

Yes, that is correct.

Thank you!

Ninaran#8122

CA_Duck said:

drogarito92 said:

How long does it take for unit to get the bracing buff? If a cavalry is charging head on to my melee unit and i suddenly press stop, will the unit before charged have bracing buff?

It's determined on an entity state level, so if the entity had the time to stop, they'll be braced.

Any chance for there to be a visual indicator for that in the future? Something when most of the unit is braced?

CA_Duck

Ninaran said:

CA_Duck said:

drogarito92 said:

How long does it take for unit to get the bracing buff? If a cavalry is charging head on to my melee unit and i suddenly press stop, will the unit before charged have bracing buff?

It's determined on an entity state level, so if the entity had the time to stop, they'll be braced.

Any chance for there to be a visual indicator for that in the future? Something when most of the unit is braced?

If you check the WH3 survival battle gameplay, you should notice a small shield icon over the unit cards when the units are standing still (and hence braced). That is the bracing indicator:

mecanojavi99#6562

CA_Duck said:

Ninaran said:

CA_Duck said:

drogarito92 said:

How long does it take for unit to get the bracing buff? If a cavalry is charging head on to my melee unit and i suddenly press stop, will the unit before charged have bracing buff?

It's determined on an entity state level, so if the entity had the time to stop, they'll be braced.

Any chance for there to be a visual indicator for that in the future? Something when most of the unit is braced?

If you check the WH3 survival battle gameplay, you should notice a small shield icon over the unit cards when the units are standing still (and hence braced). That is the bracing indicator:

Okay, this actually sounds pretty useful.

more-morewarpstone

The Ogre ability where they would only lose half as much charge bonus against bracing enemies makes so much more sense now, instead of a cool gimmick just to set them apart from other races.

They might have planned to integrate this into Warhammer 2 with the ogre mercenaries to gain a sense of balance and the actual usefulness of the ability. Definitely means the Mournfang cavalry will be possibly capable of plowing over braced low-tier infantry in comparison to other cavalry units.

drogarito#2548

Is bracing lesser effective when the unit is attacked from the back or rear?

CA_Duck

drogarito92 said:

Is bracing lesser effective when the unit is attacked from the back or rear?

Bracing is only applied when the entity contact is frontal. So yes, flank and rear charges bypass bracing bonuses.

VikingHuscal1066#5774

I honestly want CA to bring back unit formations for mainly the units of the human nations of Warhammer.

I mean, that's supposed to be how stuff like Empire State Troops are able to go toe to toe with things like Orc hordes and such.

davedave1124#4773

VikingHuscal1066 said:

I honestly want CA to bring back unit formations for mainly the units of the human nations of Warhammer.

I mean, that's supposed to be how stuff like Empire State Troops are able to go toe to toe with things like Orc hordes and such.

I’m sure there’s a good reason why they didn’t. Possibly the need for quick movements due to magic and AoE abilities. Play testing may have found a serious weakness in it.

VikingHuscal1066#5774

davedave1124 said:

I’m sure there’s a good reason why they didn’t. Possibly the need for quick movements due to magic and AoE abilities. Play testing may have found a serious weakness in it.

I can understand some of those, but I still think that it would've helped the human infantry to not suck as much as they do.

I mean, I've seen the Empire State Troop units just get destroyed by units like Orc Boyz and such, which just makes me sad, since they're supposed to be able to hold the line better then they can.

Jam#4399

Just want to clarify.

Is infantry bracing better than to counter charge cavalry?

People shall always brace when getting charged, right?

*talking from MP perspective

Spellbound1875#4610

jamreal18 said:

Just want to clarify.

Is infantry bracing better than to counter charge cavalry?

People shall always brace when getting charged, right?

*talking from MP perspective

In the beta? Still no, but that's not unexpected from a first adjustment. Bracing is improved but charging for infantry is over-performing even after the changes on the beta. Even if bracing fully reduced impact damage to 0 charging would be superior as it currently stands. I think this means we need to consider nerfing infantry on the charge, but that debate is still going.

Jam#4399

Infantry charging against charging cavalry shall be ineffective instead of bracing.

It is more like commiting suicide for infantry. Imagine colliding with a charging horse. You will be tossed hard.

CA_Duck said:

Processing said:

CA_Duck said:

drogarito92 said:

How long does it take for unit to get the bracing buff? If a cavalry is charging head on to my melee unit and i suddenly press stop, will the unit before charged have bracing buff?

It's determined on an entity state level, so if the entity had the time to stop, they'll be braced.

Wait, so if I issue a "stop" order but some models in a unit still move to catch up, do the rest of the models who stand still get a bracing buff?

Yes, that is correct.

Do you mean if units suddenly stop, they would automatically get brace bonus? What if they are charging then you suddenly stop them?

Which is better for infantry against infantry? To counter charge or to brace?