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The Dawn of Grand Cathay + FAQ

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  • Grba#3181Grba#3181 Registered Users Posts: 600
    edited September 2021
    Love the Cathay units,especially those soldiers with neck armour and those large dragon head cannons.Only thing that I didn't like that much is the new LL,so far the weakest one that is introduced in game 3.

  • vonfoxfire#8945vonfoxfire#8945 Registered Users Posts: 846
    edited September 2021
    So um when are we going to get that info about the preorder race? 🤔
  • Surge_2#1464Surge_2#1464 Registered Users Posts: 11,951
    CA_Andy said:

    Hey,

    Just clarify a discussion point in here from the FAQ.

    I'm certainly NOT suggesting the Celestial Dragon Emperor is on a power level equal to the Chaos Gods. But he and his wife are extremely powerful and comparable to most regional gods of the world, such as Ulric or Myrmidia for example.

    Thanks for clearing that up for the folks with reading comprehension issues. :wink:
    Kneel

  • MaelasMaelas Registered Users Posts: 5,180
    CA_Andy said:

    Hey,

    Just clarify a discussion point in here from the FAQ.

    I'm certainly NOT suggesting the Celestial Dragon Emperor is on a power level equal to the Chaos Gods. But he and his wife are extremely powerful and comparable to most regional gods of the world, such as Ulric or Myrmidia for example.

    Toddbringer crying in a corner as he hear this Ulric slander
  • XxXScorpionXxX#2310XxXScorpionXxX#2310 Registered Users Posts: 6,143
    ravezaar said:

    Love the look of Tzeentch, Chaos Warriors on Discs now damn

    they're literally models ripped right off chaos knights. They look awful and I hope they're place holders.
    Request scorched body textures, and fire death effects. At least 30% of all damage in this game comes from fire sources. Request Fire for the Fire God DLC.
  • united84#8186united84#8186 Registered Users Posts: 1,147
    Damn, now I want the game in late 2021. Anyways, great trailer. Hopefully game will be out around January - Feb 'ish of 2022.
  • kevManiac#4754kevManiac#4754 Registered Users Posts: 1,049
    Tuesday Newsday never disappoints!
    Races I'd like to see, in order of preference: Chaos Dwarfs, Southern Realm/ DoW, Araby, Nippon, Hobgoblin Kharnate, Kuresh, Ind.
  • HeresyHoundHeresyHound Registered Users Posts: 8,285

    So um when are we going to get that info about the preorder race? 🤔

    Give it a couple weeks. They are probably going to be on Cathay till October
  • Domokun84Domokun84 Registered Users Posts: 296
    Shes not a dude she's a DODE.
  • davedave1124#4773davedave1124#4773 Senior Member St Helens UKRegistered Users Posts: 22,076
    The Emperor and his sons and daughters who rule the kingdom. Anyone who expected few Cathayan DLCs must now surely see the error of their ways. We won’t see game 1 or 2 races for a while as expected.
  • davedave1124#4773davedave1124#4773 Senior Member St Helens UKRegistered Users Posts: 22,076
    ravezaar said:

    Love the look of Tzeentch, Chaos Warriors on Discs now damn

    Love the way the boards are animated
  • PLHenry#4565PLHenry#4565 Registered Users Posts: 1,712
    edited September 2021
    CA_Andy said:

    Hey,

    Just to clarify a discussion point in here from the FAQ.

    I'm certainly NOT suggesting the Celestial Dragon Emperor is on a power level equal to the Chaos Gods. But he and his wife are extremely powerful and comparable to most regional gods of the world, such as Ulric or Myrmidia for example.

    That part of the lore is the worst part of the reveal. Everything else looked pretty good, but we haven't had any gods take part in Warhammer beyond their avatars, daemons or mortal servants. Really disappointing lore to have, and just screams Age of Sigmar nonsense.
  • EmeraldThanatos#7267EmeraldThanatos#7267 Registered Users Posts: 2,927
    PLHenry said:

    CA_Andy said:

    Hey,

    Just to clarify a discussion point in here from the FAQ.

    I'm certainly NOT suggesting the Celestial Dragon Emperor is on a power level equal to the Chaos Gods. But he and his wife are extremely powerful and comparable to most regional gods of the world, such as Ulric or Myrmidia for example.

    Age of Sigmar nonsense.
    What does this phrase even mean?

    Oh right, this is fantasy, so everything I don't like is AOS and AOS is everything I don't like.
    Ranking of all Total War games I've played:
    1. Three kingdoms
    2. Attila
    3. Warhammer (1, 2 & 3)
    4. Medieval 2
    5. Shogun 2
    6. Thrones
    7. Rome 2
    8. Napoleon
    9. Empire


  • davedave1124#4773davedave1124#4773 Senior Member St Helens UKRegistered Users Posts: 22,076
    PLHenry said:

    CA_Andy said:

    Hey,

    Just to clarify a discussion point in here from the FAQ.

    I'm certainly NOT suggesting the Celestial Dragon Emperor is on a power level equal to the Chaos Gods. But he and his wife are extremely powerful and comparable to most regional gods of the world, such as Ulric or Myrmidia for example.

    That part of the lore is the worst part of the reveal. Everything else looked pretty good, but we haven't had any gods take part in Warhammer beyond their avatars, daemons or mortal servants. Really disappointing lore to have, and just screams Age of Sigmar nonsense.
    It merely explains why Cathay were usually able to see off Chais invasions on their lonesome. Nothing to see here.
  • PLHenry#4565PLHenry#4565 Registered Users Posts: 1,712

    What does this phrase even mean?

    Oh right, this is fantasy, so everything I don't like is AOS and AOS is everything I don't like.

    Basically what it means is that it is far too high fantasy and uses magic as a solution for everything, and even has literal gods in the world. Warhammer never really did that. Its human factions especially were relatively grounded with some bizarre elements thrown in, but even the use of magic has its limitations and issues. We now have a literal god in the world that conjures up a magical Great Bastion to protect the land. It's far too much power, far too much magic, and its nonsense when compared to the rest of the setting.
  • makar55makar55 Registered Users Posts: 2,955
    Only 50k views in 2 hours?

    Seems to be a bit disappointing numbers for so called the most anticipated TWW3 race.
  • Yurisusuki#3719Yurisusuki#3719 Somewhere in LustriaRegistered Users Posts: 1,410
    united84 said:

    Damn, now I want the game in late 2021. Anyways, great trailer. Hopefully game will be out around January - Feb 'ish of 2022.

    Yeah right? I was 100% ok with the delay, but now I'm sad because of it, that trailer really hypes me
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  • steam_164511531915TqL1vw0steam_164511531915TqL1vw0 Registered Users Posts: 760
    You guys have some of the greatest artists in this planet. Jesus crist the asthetics of every single trailer you make is incredible. This time thought i dropped down of my chair. Clapping for you guys.
  • AHumpierRogue#5296AHumpierRogue#5296 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 5,512
    Crossil said:

    Why are people salting over Cathay getting their own gods? This was obviously going to happen when they announced them.

    Yeah, and to be honest, a part of me expected the Dragons to fill that role.

    It's just that.... it feels strange to suddenly have the Dragon Emperor fill that role.

    And I think the comparison with Chaos Gods is largely misplaced or misrepresentative and just bad writing rather than an accurate statement.
    In IRL "mythology" if you will, the closest thing to an overarching "god" who leads everyone else is the Jade Emperor. He is the one that Sun Wukong screws with at the beginning of Journey to the West if you are unfamilliar with him otherwise.

    Basically what CA/GW has done is uplift the Dragon Emperor from just the leader of Cathay to the role of Jade Emperor who rules over heaven and all that stuff.
    Formerly known as Krunch, in case you wonder where he went.
  • korradokortokorradokorto Registered Users Posts: 559
    Not enough demons.
  • Nyxilis#3646Nyxilis#3646 Registered Users Posts: 7,726
    Neat, fun to see!

    Fighting a new chaos faction like it was always going to be, suggestions otherwise were pretty eye roll worthy. Kinda thought it might be Tzeench but wasn't 100% on it.

    Retconning of Cathay, yeah they did that. I 100% don't care. Cathay was a negligible field note buried in a vast host of books that nobody would remotely know unless they read something curated by someone who could assemble it. Cathay was always going to come out looking a lil bit different in my opinion. And this gives it a lil more than a near textbook fantasy china.

    Also, GW has retconned the world so many many many many times. The entire basis of the game has been rewritten, factions split up and given unique lore, leaders deposed or ignored, race actions boosted or dulled, whole events just completely thrown out. So, once more a minor footnote in the GW world getting a retcon with their actual debut into something meaty? Practically expected. Getting miffed over that is effectively pointless and nitpicky.

  • PraiseSigmawPraiseSigmaw Forlì, ItalyRegistered Users Posts: 3,059
    makar55 said:

    Only 50k views in 2 hours?

    Seems to be a bit disappointing numbers for so called the most anticipated TWW3 race.

    Warhammer fantasy fanbase will never be nearly as big as 40k's fanbase. Sad but true.
  • Dulahan#3120Dulahan#3120 Registered Users Posts: 558
    Lot of us at work and cant watch!
  • KnightspaceKnightspace Registered Users Posts: 1
    Are those... benders? As in elemental benders?

    Is that a creation of CA or GW?
  • Surge_2#1464Surge_2#1464 Registered Users Posts: 11,951

    Are those... benders? As in elemental benders?

    Is that a creation of CA or GW?

    Avatar.
    Kneel

  • Lord_Zarkov#7252Lord_Zarkov#7252 Registered Users Posts: 2,032
    Crossil said:

    Otjenyn said:

    I know some part of the lore but about Cathay close to zero. So anyone enlighten me what part of the lore is now not really accurate anymore?

    Well first of all, that there have been multiple Dragon Emperors. And by proxy, a large number of interactions that those Dragon Emperors had and their own lore. And, of course, the Dragon Emperor being that strong and living in a Celestial City.

    Second of all, now GW/CA is pulling this bit about Yin and Yang which, from what I gather, was not something that Cathay was capable of. Those terms were apparently different terms for High and Dark magic, but not something Cathay was able to wield, iirc. Now they're separate lores of magic, apparently.

    Probably some other things but, we're gonna have to see how things flesh out.
    Yeah you’re right it’s a total retcon.

    I’m assuming the new canon is probably that the various named ‘Dragon Emperors’ in all the past lore blurbs were actually children of the true emperor who seem to be various regional rulers, but misinterpreted in universe as more of the lore is told from an Empire-centric PoV.

    Will be interesting to see if the Monkey King still appears in a Lord pack or if we’ll just get ‘generic dragon regional ruler no 3’ etc.

    On the Ying and Yang, the bit on the GW website mentions high magic but also says their main spellcasters are astromancers and alchemists.

    Might be the dragon children are using high and dark magic but the humans are using lores of heavens and metal?
  • saweendra#3399saweendra#3399 Registered Users Posts: 19,566
    Talmorean said:

    Imirk: I am a master of dragons, I ride a beautiful one.

    Princess Miao Ying: Hold my Wushu Pork

    nah mate Imrik just found his wife, no more elves bring on the dragons

    #givemoreunitsforbrettonia, my bret dlc


  • Ekix#9944Ekix#9944 Registered Users Posts: 1,992
    Wonderful trailer, now Cathay is one of my favorite races. Cathay is exactly what I wanted to be, ruled by dragons shapeshifters, the only thing I didn't see coming was Dragon Emperor turned into God and not be playable as LL.

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  • saweendra#3399saweendra#3399 Registered Users Posts: 19,566

    Talmorean said:

    Imirk: I am a master of dragons, I ride a beautiful one.

    Princess Miao Ying: Hold my Wushu Pork

    Imrik is master of dragon, lorewise dragons refuse to attack him
    i am surprised imrik isn't going out of his way to make one his wife

    #givemoreunitsforbrettonia, my bret dlc


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