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So there is not enough magic in the world to sustain the Dwarf's Gronti Duraz

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  • sykallsykall Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 2,258
    Ben1990 said:

    Crossil said:

    Uagrim said:

    Novel contradicting army books and even other novels is a thing with GW/BL mostly caused by the issue of multiple writers. The siege of terra has quiet some infamy in that regard. But that doesn't change the lore relevance of the novels.

    And as I said, it depends on the actual novel.
    Uagrim said:

    Also not being mentioned in an armybook doesn't mean they don't exist or can't be implemented into the game. Else people like you should have been up in arms when they introduced Royal Hippogryph Knights at the latest (because those weren't in the armybook). But GW's canon policy regarding black library is pretty much everything is canon and they make no differentiation between rulebook lore and lore from novels.

    Royal Hippogryph Knights are mentioned in the Core Rulebook of 8th edition. And the reasoning behind making them is simple. Because they had models, both the mounts and the riders.

    Similar to Great Stag Riders, both the mounts and the riders existed in model and there was a mention in Storm of Magic, a TT supplement, with a literal entry for the Great Stags mentioning such formations.

    So no, novels are not a source. There has yet to be a unit derived purely from the novels, as far as I know.

    As for GW's statement "everything said is canon, not everything said is TRUE." So the rune golems might as well not actually exist.

    There are two types of golems shiro, Rune Golems and Rune Guardians

    Rune golems AKA Gronti Duraz


    Fanmade

    And Rune Guardians

    These being RPG only. Aka, another form of questionable canon, and the problem being that CA has not lifted a single unit that was RPG only.
    Yeah no. The RPGs are canon just by having GW overseeing their creation. The only things that are not canon anymore are any mentions about the Storm of Chaos event in the RPGs and one of Todbringer's sons becoming Emperor after Boris and Franz die and him also marrying Emmanuelle von Leibniz.
    That and CA also used the RPGs (most notably 2nd ED) to add in stuff into the trilogy (like the Kislevite song used in the reveal trailer for game 3 and the inclusion of Yuri Kovalenko the Ungol Prince).
    Other non-canon things (along with the aforementioned above things with Storm of Chaos and Todbringer's son) are things like the Dwarf Juggernauts (which is a pity), Baba Yaga (also a big, damn shame), The Crown of Kislev being a unique thing (also a shame), Balrogs being blatantly in Warhammer, and some more.
    Balrogs?
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  • PraiseSigmawPraiseSigmaw Forlì, ItalyRegistered Users Posts: 2,910
    sykall said:

    Ben1990 said:

    Crossil said:

    Uagrim said:

    Novel contradicting army books and even other novels is a thing with GW/BL mostly caused by the issue of multiple writers. The siege of terra has quiet some infamy in that regard. But that doesn't change the lore relevance of the novels.

    And as I said, it depends on the actual novel.
    Uagrim said:

    Also not being mentioned in an armybook doesn't mean they don't exist or can't be implemented into the game. Else people like you should have been up in arms when they introduced Royal Hippogryph Knights at the latest (because those weren't in the armybook). But GW's canon policy regarding black library is pretty much everything is canon and they make no differentiation between rulebook lore and lore from novels.

    Royal Hippogryph Knights are mentioned in the Core Rulebook of 8th edition. And the reasoning behind making them is simple. Because they had models, both the mounts and the riders.

    Similar to Great Stag Riders, both the mounts and the riders existed in model and there was a mention in Storm of Magic, a TT supplement, with a literal entry for the Great Stags mentioning such formations.

    So no, novels are not a source. There has yet to be a unit derived purely from the novels, as far as I know.

    As for GW's statement "everything said is canon, not everything said is TRUE." So the rune golems might as well not actually exist.

    There are two types of golems shiro, Rune Golems and Rune Guardians

    Rune golems AKA Gronti Duraz


    Fanmade

    And Rune Guardians

    These being RPG only. Aka, another form of questionable canon, and the problem being that CA has not lifted a single unit that was RPG only.
    Yeah no. The RPGs are canon just by having GW overseeing their creation. The only things that are not canon anymore are any mentions about the Storm of Chaos event in the RPGs and one of Todbringer's sons becoming Emperor after Boris and Franz die and him also marrying Emmanuelle von Leibniz.
    That and CA also used the RPGs (most notably 2nd ED) to add in stuff into the trilogy (like the Kislevite song used in the reveal trailer for game 3 and the inclusion of Yuri Kovalenko the Ungol Prince).
    Other non-canon things (along with the aforementioned above things with Storm of Chaos and Todbringer's son) are things like the Dwarf Juggernauts (which is a pity), Baba Yaga (also a big, damn shame), The Crown of Kislev being a unique thing (also a shame), Balrogs being blatantly in Warhammer, and some more.
    Balrogs?
    More like Balors and Pit Fiends from D&D.
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  • Lord_ZarkovLord_Zarkov Registered Users Posts: 629

    sykall said:

    Ben1990 said:

    Crossil said:

    Uagrim said:

    Novel contradicting army books and even other novels is a thing with GW/BL mostly caused by the issue of multiple writers. The siege of terra has quiet some infamy in that regard. But that doesn't change the lore relevance of the novels.

    And as I said, it depends on the actual novel.
    Uagrim said:

    Also not being mentioned in an armybook doesn't mean they don't exist or can't be implemented into the game. Else people like you should have been up in arms when they introduced Royal Hippogryph Knights at the latest (because those weren't in the armybook). But GW's canon policy regarding black library is pretty much everything is canon and they make no differentiation between rulebook lore and lore from novels.

    Royal Hippogryph Knights are mentioned in the Core Rulebook of 8th edition. And the reasoning behind making them is simple. Because they had models, both the mounts and the riders.

    Similar to Great Stag Riders, both the mounts and the riders existed in model and there was a mention in Storm of Magic, a TT supplement, with a literal entry for the Great Stags mentioning such formations.

    So no, novels are not a source. There has yet to be a unit derived purely from the novels, as far as I know.

    As for GW's statement "everything said is canon, not everything said is TRUE." So the rune golems might as well not actually exist.

    There are two types of golems shiro, Rune Golems and Rune Guardians

    Rune golems AKA Gronti Duraz


    Fanmade

    And Rune Guardians

    These being RPG only. Aka, another form of questionable canon, and the problem being that CA has not lifted a single unit that was RPG only.
    Yeah no. The RPGs are canon just by having GW overseeing their creation. The only things that are not canon anymore are any mentions about the Storm of Chaos event in the RPGs and one of Todbringer's sons becoming Emperor after Boris and Franz die and him also marrying Emmanuelle von Leibniz.
    That and CA also used the RPGs (most notably 2nd ED) to add in stuff into the trilogy (like the Kislevite song used in the reveal trailer for game 3 and the inclusion of Yuri Kovalenko the Ungol Prince).
    Other non-canon things (along with the aforementioned above things with Storm of Chaos and Todbringer's son) are things like the Dwarf Juggernauts (which is a pity), Baba Yaga (also a big, damn shame), The Crown of Kislev being a unique thing (also a shame), Balrogs being blatantly in Warhammer, and some more.
    Balrogs?
    More like Balors and Pit Fiends from D&D.
    WFRP 1st Ed did have a Balrog statted out with a bit of fluff in the main rulebook, although in concept it was indeed more like a Balor than Tolkien’s depiction.

    The early bits of WFRP v1 (along with 3rd Ed and earlier WFB) were written before the setting had really coalesced, indeed a lot of setting staples now first debuted in WFRP, especially the Enemy Within Campaign, albeit with varying degrees of alteration in the great retconning of the 3rd to 4th WFB transition.

    It does mean that the original WFRP rulebook bestiary has all sorts of weird and wonderful creatures that don’t really exist in modern lore (plus some old favourites that crop up from time to time like Zoats and Fimir).

  • Ben1990Ben1990 Registered Users Posts: 997
    sykall said:

    Ben1990 said:

    Crossil said:

    Uagrim said:

    Novel contradicting army books and even other novels is a thing with GW/BL mostly caused by the issue of multiple writers. The siege of terra has quiet some infamy in that regard. But that doesn't change the lore relevance of the novels.

    And as I said, it depends on the actual novel.
    Uagrim said:

    Also not being mentioned in an armybook doesn't mean they don't exist or can't be implemented into the game. Else people like you should have been up in arms when they introduced Royal Hippogryph Knights at the latest (because those weren't in the armybook). But GW's canon policy regarding black library is pretty much everything is canon and they make no differentiation between rulebook lore and lore from novels.

    Royal Hippogryph Knights are mentioned in the Core Rulebook of 8th edition. And the reasoning behind making them is simple. Because they had models, both the mounts and the riders.

    Similar to Great Stag Riders, both the mounts and the riders existed in model and there was a mention in Storm of Magic, a TT supplement, with a literal entry for the Great Stags mentioning such formations.

    So no, novels are not a source. There has yet to be a unit derived purely from the novels, as far as I know.

    As for GW's statement "everything said is canon, not everything said is TRUE." So the rune golems might as well not actually exist.

    There are two types of golems shiro, Rune Golems and Rune Guardians

    Rune golems AKA Gronti Duraz


    Fanmade

    And Rune Guardians

    These being RPG only. Aka, another form of questionable canon, and the problem being that CA has not lifted a single unit that was RPG only.
    Yeah no. The RPGs are canon just by having GW overseeing their creation. The only things that are not canon anymore are any mentions about the Storm of Chaos event in the RPGs and one of Todbringer's sons becoming Emperor after Boris and Franz die and him also marrying Emmanuelle von Leibniz.
    That and CA also used the RPGs (most notably 2nd ED) to add in stuff into the trilogy (like the Kislevite song used in the reveal trailer for game 3 and the inclusion of Yuri Kovalenko the Ungol Prince).
    Other non-canon things (along with the aforementioned above things with Storm of Chaos and Todbringer's son) are things like the Dwarf Juggernauts (which is a pity), Baba Yaga (also a big, damn shame), The Crown of Kislev being a unique thing (also a shame), Balrogs being blatantly in Warhammer, and some more.
    Balrogs?
    Yep. That Balrog from Lord of The Rings. They blatantly had him and in plural to boot. That was times most ancient and they scrapped those since.
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