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Warhammer Online - Prelude to War: The Shining Guard

Red_DoxRed_Dox Junior MemberRegistered Users Posts: 6,271
01 - The Hill of the Dead
02 - Shadow of the Hunter
03 - WAAAGH! Grumlok
04 - Thunder Mountain
05 - Northern Fire
06 - The Shining Guard

























And that concludes the six prequel stories for Warhammer: Age of Reckoning.
The Shining Guard is the elite band of warriors charged with the defense of Ulthuan when the Phoenix King takes the armies of the High Elves west to aid the Empire. Led by the renowned warrior Prince Tyrion, the Guard is a small but highly skillful fighting force. Prince Tyrion personally selects the High Elves who are elevated to the ranks of the Shining Guard from among the best and bravest of the citizen militia. These prestigious warriors stand as an example of the highest honor that a High Elf in the militia can hope to achieve. It consisted of four playable classes.




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As we have seen in this example, Finubar does not need to be "that background guy". The Phoenix King could (and imo should) lead ingame just like Malekith, Karl Franz or others.


I still expect at least one HE DLC to come for game#3. My bets are mostly on Sea Lord Aislinn around his "Storm of Chaos" list. But the same approach could also work with Finubar.

------Red Dox
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  • damon40000#7640damon40000#7640 Registered Users Posts: 1,777
    White lions were tough guys in that game
    BsFG dwarf
  • MaedrethnirMaedrethnir Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 16,946
    Hopefully, the Phoenix King Finubar the Seafarer shall lead the High Elves in their final LP in Game3. There's no better thematic and symbolic choice. in Asuryan I trust. May his light burn bright!
  • sykall#1105sykall#1105 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 2,981
    I am a bit divided about Aislinn and Finubar. Both are prospecting LL who could show up in the TWW if the eastern oceans are explored. Especially as there is the HE colony of Elithis, the Gates of Calith and more potential starting positions. And currently HE only miss the lothern skycutter IIRC. A unit fitting to both, including some other optional additions.

    Though whereas Aislinn may provide a strong naval theme, Finubar may also provide asuryans theme in addition to the maritime theme and thus could easily incorperate Anointd of Asuyran as generals or else. Though LP often include leaned in units, so they could also show up if Aislinn goes east.

    In the end I think Aislinn would nice to see, but Finubar may be a better fit, especiallly as he has closer ties to the east, e.g. through his flaming sword from Ind.
    Of course CA could handle it either way. So whoever it will be, I will look forward to them.
    Filling the white spots - 7 made-up factions to enrich the empty parts of the WFB setting
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  • NemoTheElf101NemoTheElf101 Registered Users Posts: 2,893
    edited October 2021
    Finubar on the Tabletop: "Oh I don't lead armies, I leave that to Tyrion. That's why I don't have a model."

    Finubar during the Great War of Chaos: "Oh I need to stay here to stop the Princes fighting, I'll leave that to Teclis."

    Finubar after he just got elected: "Oh I don't stop the Princes from starting a coup, I'll leave that to Alarielle."

    Finubar when a city got torched by pirates: "Oh I don't have to deal with that, Aislinn will already take care of it."


    These forums for some reason: "This guy should totally lead armies."

    Edit: I am not one of those people who thinks Finubar is incompetent. It's just worth pointing out that for most of the series, for most of the lore, Finubar is explicitly not a general or a fighter. Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable characters if Finubar was a different person.
  • MaedrethnirMaedrethnir Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 16,946

    Finubar on the Tabletop: "Oh I don't lead armies, I leave that to Tyrion. That's why I don't have a model."

    Finubar during the Great War of Chaos: "Oh I need to stay here to stop the Princes fighting, I'll leave that to Teclis."

    Finubar after he just got elected: "Oh I don't stop the Princes from starting a coup, I'll leave that to Alarielle."

    Finubar when a city got torched by pirates: "Oh I don't have to deal with that, Aislinn will already take care of it."


    These forums for some reason: "This guy should totally lead armies."

    Edit: I am not one of those people who thinks Finubar is incompetent. It's just worth pointing out that for most of the series, for most of the lore, Finubar is explicitly not a general or a fighter. Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable characters if Finubar was a different person.

    1. Finubar does lead armies occasionally. We know he fought many battles. Many characters don't have miniatures, but yes, I do hope the Old World will remedy the situation.

    2. Finubar was busy fighting the Dark Elves during the Great Chaos Incursion.

    3. Finubar couldn't stop the rumours himself because he was away.

    4. Finubar needed not to deal with such a small thing personally.

    I see no reason why Tyrion, Teclis and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable if Finubar was a different person. As other races rosters show, there's room for everyone.
  • Red_DoxRed_Dox Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 6,271


    1. Finubar does lead armies occasionally. We know he fought many battles. Many characters don't have miniatures, but yes, I do hope the Old World will remedy the situation.

    2. Finubar was busy fighting the Dark Elves during the Great Chaos Incursion.

    On that note, while the game is called "The Old World" and the map we saw so far does indeed focus rather on the Old World part

    it is still open in the air which timeframes they will cover with what (major) plots. Louen Orcslayer around 2200 IC is still pretty close to the Great Chaos Incursion in 2300 IC from Everchosen Asavar Kul. Which then would also lead to uniting the Empire under Magnus the Pious and ending the Time of Three Emperors, while Teclis would found the Colleges of Magic afterwards. The point here is: If they tackle that, they could also do a side campaign on Ulthuan. And since Finubar was fighting there, it would indeed be a good opportunity for GW to finally bring some justice to the Phoenix King. And CA could even do it earlier if they the him just on any coastline of game#3s campaign with some lore blurb how he wants to rather take the fight into the enemy lands instead of fighting on Ulthuan soil where Tyrion holds the fort with a iron fist.

    Of course TOW is still not bound to happen before at least 2022, probably way further away since besides map and artworks we have not seen anything while we also still don't know if they go with a Forgeworld campaign book style or rather let Specialist games throw out a plastic starter book and wing it from there. So form there I would not expect any news "soon™". However, they did throw certain Elf "outposts" on their Old World map. If the Elf-lore masters might find some occasions were Finubar might have traveled around there, lets say between 1800-2200 IC, then there might be a slim off shot for him showing up when GW might go for High Elves in the Old World.

    ------Red Dox
  • MaedrethnirMaedrethnir Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 16,946
    edited October 2021
    Red_Dox said:


    1. Finubar does lead armies occasionally. We know he fought many battles. Many characters don't have miniatures, but yes, I do hope the Old World will remedy the situation.

    2. Finubar was busy fighting the Dark Elves during the Great Chaos Incursion.

    On that note, while the game is called "The Old World" and the map we saw so far does indeed focus rather on the Old World part

    it is still open in the air which timeframes they will cover with what (major) plots. Louen Orcslayer around 2200 IC is still pretty close to the Great Chaos Incursion in 2300 IC from Everchosen Asavar Kul. Which then would also lead to uniting the Empire under Magnus the Pious and ending the Time of Three Emperors, while Teclis would found the Colleges of Magic afterwards. The point here is: If they tackle that, they could also do a side campaign on Ulthuan. And since Finubar was fighting there, it would indeed be a good opportunity for GW to finally bring some justice to the Phoenix King. And CA could even do it earlier if they the him just on any coastline of game#3s campaign with some lore blurb how he wants to rather take the fight into the enemy lands instead of fighting on Ulthuan soil where Tyrion holds the fort with a iron fist.

    Of course TOW is still not bound to happen before at least 2022, probably way further away since besides map and artworks we have not seen anything while we also still don't know if they go with a Forgeworld campaign book style or rather let Specialist games throw out a plastic starter book and wing it from there. So form there I would not expect any news "soon™". However, they did throw certain Elf "outposts" on their Old World map. If the Elf-lore masters might find some occasions were Finubar might have traveled around there, lets say between 1800-2200 IC, then there might be a slim off shot for him showing up when GW might go for High Elves in the Old World.

    ------Red Dox


    Year 2001 marks the start of his journeys.




    Here lies L'Anguille:



  • NemoTheElf101NemoTheElf101 Registered Users Posts: 2,893

    Finubar on the Tabletop: "Oh I don't lead armies, I leave that to Tyrion. That's why I don't have a model."

    Finubar during the Great War of Chaos: "Oh I need to stay here to stop the Princes fighting, I'll leave that to Teclis."

    Finubar after he just got elected: "Oh I don't stop the Princes from starting a coup, I'll leave that to Alarielle."

    Finubar when a city got torched by pirates: "Oh I don't have to deal with that, Aislinn will already take care of it."


    These forums for some reason: "This guy should totally lead armies."

    Edit: I am not one of those people who thinks Finubar is incompetent. It's just worth pointing out that for most of the series, for most of the lore, Finubar is explicitly not a general or a fighter. Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable characters if Finubar was a different person.

    1. Finubar does lead armies occasionally. We know he fought many battles. Many characters don't have miniatures, but yes, I do hope the Old World will remedy the situation.

    2. Finubar was busy fighting the Dark Elves during the Great Chaos Incursion.

    3. Finubar couldn't stop the rumours himself because he was away.

    4. Finubar needed not to deal with such a small thing personally.

    I see no reason why Tyrion, Teclis and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable if Finubar was a different person. As other races rosters show, there's room for everyone.
    Finubar was an explorer. He once traveled and likely fought plenty. After he became Phoenix King, he stopped traveling and spent most of his time delegating and administrating.

    He only really fights whenever Ulthuan, specifically Lothern, is ever under attack, and even then Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle have made bigger names for themselves over their military exploits than Finubar -- Finuval Field being the most obvious. There's a reason why he lets them take all the fame and power.
  • saweendra#3399saweendra#3399 Registered Users Posts: 18,929

    Finubar on the Tabletop: "Oh I don't lead armies, I leave that to Tyrion. That's why I don't have a model."

    Finubar during the Great War of Chaos: "Oh I need to stay here to stop the Princes fighting, I'll leave that to Teclis."

    Finubar after he just got elected: "Oh I don't stop the Princes from starting a coup, I'll leave that to Alarielle."

    Finubar when a city got torched by pirates: "Oh I don't have to deal with that, Aislinn will already take care of it."


    These forums for some reason: "This guy should totally lead armies."

    Edit: I am not one of those people who thinks Finubar is incompetent. It's just worth pointing out that for most of the series, for most of the lore, Finubar is explicitly not a general or a fighter. Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable characters if Finubar was a different person.

    1. Finubar does lead armies occasionally. We know he fought many battles. Many characters don't have miniatures, but yes, I do hope the Old World will remedy the situation.

    2. Finubar was busy fighting the Dark Elves during the Great Chaos Incursion.

    3. Finubar couldn't stop the rumours himself because he was away.

    4. Finubar needed not to deal with such a small thing personally.

    I see no reason why Tyrion, Teclis and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable if Finubar was a different person. As other races rosters show, there's room for everyone.
    Finubar was an explorer. He once traveled and likely fought plenty. After he became Phoenix King, he stopped traveling and spent most of his time delegating and administrating.

    He only really fights whenever Ulthuan, specifically Lothern, is ever under attack, and even then Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle have made bigger names for themselves over their military exploits than Finubar -- Finuval Field being the most obvious. There's a reason why he lets them take all the fame and power.
    Oh give up , the old world makes Finubars appearance more than likely.
    Like it or not now he has pretty good chance of appearing as the last dlc spot.



    #givemoreunitsforbrettonia, my bret dlc


  • MaedrethnirMaedrethnir Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 16,946
    edited October 2021

    Finubar on the Tabletop: "Oh I don't lead armies, I leave that to Tyrion. That's why I don't have a model."

    Finubar during the Great War of Chaos: "Oh I need to stay here to stop the Princes fighting, I'll leave that to Teclis."

    Finubar after he just got elected: "Oh I don't stop the Princes from starting a coup, I'll leave that to Alarielle."

    Finubar when a city got torched by pirates: "Oh I don't have to deal with that, Aislinn will already take care of it."


    These forums for some reason: "This guy should totally lead armies."

    Edit: I am not one of those people who thinks Finubar is incompetent. It's just worth pointing out that for most of the series, for most of the lore, Finubar is explicitly not a general or a fighter. Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable characters if Finubar was a different person.

    1. Finubar does lead armies occasionally. We know he fought many battles. Many characters don't have miniatures, but yes, I do hope the Old World will remedy the situation.

    2. Finubar was busy fighting the Dark Elves during the Great Chaos Incursion.

    3. Finubar couldn't stop the rumours himself because he was away.

    4. Finubar needed not to deal with such a small thing personally.

    I see no reason why Tyrion, Teclis and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable if Finubar was a different person. As other races rosters show, there's room for everyone.
    Finubar was an explorer. He once traveled and likely fought plenty. After he became Phoenix King, he stopped traveling and spent most of his time delegating and administrating.

    He only really fights whenever Ulthuan, specifically Lothern, is ever under attack, and even then Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle have made bigger names for themselves over their military exploits than Finubar -- Finuval Field being the most obvious. There's a reason why he lets them take all the fame and power.
    The screen* posted by me speaks about him spending more time travelling than ruling after he became the Phoenix King. And he never stopped his adventures entirely:



    The other screen** posted by me shows that Finubar fought in more places than just Lothern.

    There's an explanation why he wasn't present during the Battle of Finuval Plain:



    After the battle, Finubar ignored the Phoenix Court's concerns and joined the campaign to battle the Druchii.





    He isn't the best fighter and general, but he doesn't need to be. There are other aspects that make him shine and can be used for the campaign in TW:WH.

    *


    **

  • NemoTheElf101NemoTheElf101 Registered Users Posts: 2,893
    saweendra said:

    Finubar on the Tabletop: "Oh I don't lead armies, I leave that to Tyrion. That's why I don't have a model."

    Finubar during the Great War of Chaos: "Oh I need to stay here to stop the Princes fighting, I'll leave that to Teclis."

    Finubar after he just got elected: "Oh I don't stop the Princes from starting a coup, I'll leave that to Alarielle."

    Finubar when a city got torched by pirates: "Oh I don't have to deal with that, Aislinn will already take care of it."


    These forums for some reason: "This guy should totally lead armies."

    Edit: I am not one of those people who thinks Finubar is incompetent. It's just worth pointing out that for most of the series, for most of the lore, Finubar is explicitly not a general or a fighter. Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable characters if Finubar was a different person.

    1. Finubar does lead armies occasionally. We know he fought many battles. Many characters don't have miniatures, but yes, I do hope the Old World will remedy the situation.

    2. Finubar was busy fighting the Dark Elves during the Great Chaos Incursion.

    3. Finubar couldn't stop the rumours himself because he was away.

    4. Finubar needed not to deal with such a small thing personally.

    I see no reason why Tyrion, Teclis and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable if Finubar was a different person. As other races rosters show, there's room for everyone.
    Finubar was an explorer. He once traveled and likely fought plenty. After he became Phoenix King, he stopped traveling and spent most of his time delegating and administrating.

    He only really fights whenever Ulthuan, specifically Lothern, is ever under attack, and even then Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle have made bigger names for themselves over their military exploits than Finubar -- Finuval Field being the most obvious. There's a reason why he lets them take all the fame and power.
    Oh give up , the old world makes Finubars appearance more than likely.
    Like it or not now he has pretty good chance of appearing as the last dlc spot.


    If they want to have him in the newer Old World setting, that's one thing, it's their IP. It's another thing in another game, in another timeline, by another company, that already maps onto established lore before the End Times.

    Asking Finubar to be a LL Is like asking the Grey Council for the Skaven. His place in the story and in the game is to not actually be on the battlefield, because that's the job for about 80% of the other High Elf characters.
  • NemoTheElf101NemoTheElf101 Registered Users Posts: 2,893

    Finubar on the Tabletop: "Oh I don't lead armies, I leave that to Tyrion. That's why I don't have a model."

    Finubar during the Great War of Chaos: "Oh I need to stay here to stop the Princes fighting, I'll leave that to Teclis."

    Finubar after he just got elected: "Oh I don't stop the Princes from starting a coup, I'll leave that to Alarielle."

    Finubar when a city got torched by pirates: "Oh I don't have to deal with that, Aislinn will already take care of it."


    These forums for some reason: "This guy should totally lead armies."

    Edit: I am not one of those people who thinks Finubar is incompetent. It's just worth pointing out that for most of the series, for most of the lore, Finubar is explicitly not a general or a fighter. Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable characters if Finubar was a different person.

    1. Finubar does lead armies occasionally. We know he fought many battles. Many characters don't have miniatures, but yes, I do hope the Old World will remedy the situation.

    2. Finubar was busy fighting the Dark Elves during the Great Chaos Incursion.

    3. Finubar couldn't stop the rumours himself because he was away.

    4. Finubar needed not to deal with such a small thing personally.

    I see no reason why Tyrion, Teclis and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable if Finubar was a different person. As other races rosters show, there's room for everyone.
    Finubar was an explorer. He once traveled and likely fought plenty. After he became Phoenix King, he stopped traveling and spent most of his time delegating and administrating.

    He only really fights whenever Ulthuan, specifically Lothern, is ever under attack, and even then Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle have made bigger names for themselves over their military exploits than Finubar -- Finuval Field being the most obvious. There's a reason why he lets them take all the fame and power.
    The screen* posted by me speaks about him spending more time travelling than ruling after he became the Phoenix King. And he never stopped his adventures entirely:



    The other screen** posted by me shows that Finubar fought in more places than just Lothern.

    There's an explanation why he wasn't present during the Battle of Finuval Plain:



    After the battle, Finubar ignored the Phoenix Court's concerns and joined the campaign to battle the Druchii.





    He isn't the best fighter and general, but he doesn't need to be. There are other aspects that make him shine and can be used for the campaign in TW:WH.

    *


    **

    All you're doing is proving my point that Finubar is a more a politician than a general; he's constantly wrestling matters of state and war with his own court, so much so that he doesn't always have the time to fight his own battles. That's why Tyrion acts as his champion, why Teclis acts as his diplomat to the Old World, why Aislinn handles overseas warfare, and Alarielle with almost everything else. He's not useless, he's not impotent, but his talents aren't in fighting. This is already shown in the game through the intrigue events. You're helping Finubar make tough choices to keep Ulthuan together while it's under attack.
  • saweendra#3399saweendra#3399 Registered Users Posts: 18,929

    saweendra said:

    Finubar on the Tabletop: "Oh I don't lead armies, I leave that to Tyrion. That's why I don't have a model."

    Finubar during the Great War of Chaos: "Oh I need to stay here to stop the Princes fighting, I'll leave that to Teclis."

    Finubar after he just got elected: "Oh I don't stop the Princes from starting a coup, I'll leave that to Alarielle."

    Finubar when a city got torched by pirates: "Oh I don't have to deal with that, Aislinn will already take care of it."


    These forums for some reason: "This guy should totally lead armies."

    Edit: I am not one of those people who thinks Finubar is incompetent. It's just worth pointing out that for most of the series, for most of the lore, Finubar is explicitly not a general or a fighter. Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable characters if Finubar was a different person.

    1. Finubar does lead armies occasionally. We know he fought many battles. Many characters don't have miniatures, but yes, I do hope the Old World will remedy the situation.

    2. Finubar was busy fighting the Dark Elves during the Great Chaos Incursion.

    3. Finubar couldn't stop the rumours himself because he was away.

    4. Finubar needed not to deal with such a small thing personally.

    I see no reason why Tyrion, Teclis and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable if Finubar was a different person. As other races rosters show, there's room for everyone.
    Finubar was an explorer. He once traveled and likely fought plenty. After he became Phoenix King, he stopped traveling and spent most of his time delegating and administrating.

    He only really fights whenever Ulthuan, specifically Lothern, is ever under attack, and even then Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle have made bigger names for themselves over their military exploits than Finubar -- Finuval Field being the most obvious. There's a reason why he lets them take all the fame and power.
    Oh give up , the old world makes Finubars appearance more than likely.
    Like it or not now he has pretty good chance of appearing as the last dlc spot.


    If they want to have him in the newer Old World setting, that's one thing, it's their IP. It's another thing in another game, in another timeline, by another company, that already maps onto established lore before the End Times.

    Asking Finubar to be a LL Is like asking the Grey Council for the Skaven. His place in the story and in the game is to not actually be on the battlefield, because that's the job for about 80% of the other High Elf characters.
    Lol he is gonna come to wh as well.
    Old world makes him even more likely

    #givemoreunitsforbrettonia, my bret dlc


  • xBlood_RavenxBlood_Raven Registered Users Posts: 959
    Great work showing Warhammer content as always Red_Dox.

    Finubar and Aislinn can both make it in. Two naval LLs with one focusing on campaign map mechanics and diplomacy (a chessmaster basically, similar to what Tzeentch is getting) while the other focuses on naval aggression and raiding. I made such a Lord Pack with them against Slaanesh (or the Masque to be specific).

    https://old.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/hsy3y6/lords_pack_speculation_and_roster_30_part_1the/

    I did miss Korhil and Caradryan as two potential LHs but that was due to word count.

    Other information are rules for Phoenix King spirits from the End Times (with Finubar among them).



    There is also this from White Dwarf 211



    This is 'The Lion Guard of Finubar' which is obvious in the name but there is also this.

    “The company is based in Lothern, and they form the core of the palace guard of King Finubar during peacetime. At war they form the core of the High Elf infantry, and protect their lord from any attack.”

    “His loyalty to his liege lord Finubar the Seafarer is legendary. He has saved the Phoenix King several times both on the battlefield and during times of peace, and he has been severely wounded several times in the line of duty."

    Along the other information posted in this thread, it is clear proof that Finubar has been on battlefields multiple times and can lead as a general. He's just as the lore suggests, a leader and one of diplomacy, not a fighter (so a LL that works the campaign map and gives amazing leadership bonuses on the battlefield).

    He even has a sword made from Ind, a decent excuse to give him a reason to travel eastwards (or just a quest battle).
  • NemoTheElf101NemoTheElf101 Registered Users Posts: 2,893
    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    Finubar on the Tabletop: "Oh I don't lead armies, I leave that to Tyrion. That's why I don't have a model."

    Finubar during the Great War of Chaos: "Oh I need to stay here to stop the Princes fighting, I'll leave that to Teclis."

    Finubar after he just got elected: "Oh I don't stop the Princes from starting a coup, I'll leave that to Alarielle."

    Finubar when a city got torched by pirates: "Oh I don't have to deal with that, Aislinn will already take care of it."


    These forums for some reason: "This guy should totally lead armies."

    Edit: I am not one of those people who thinks Finubar is incompetent. It's just worth pointing out that for most of the series, for most of the lore, Finubar is explicitly not a general or a fighter. Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable characters if Finubar was a different person.

    1. Finubar does lead armies occasionally. We know he fought many battles. Many characters don't have miniatures, but yes, I do hope the Old World will remedy the situation.

    2. Finubar was busy fighting the Dark Elves during the Great Chaos Incursion.

    3. Finubar couldn't stop the rumours himself because he was away.

    4. Finubar needed not to deal with such a small thing personally.

    I see no reason why Tyrion, Teclis and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable if Finubar was a different person. As other races rosters show, there's room for everyone.
    Finubar was an explorer. He once traveled and likely fought plenty. After he became Phoenix King, he stopped traveling and spent most of his time delegating and administrating.

    He only really fights whenever Ulthuan, specifically Lothern, is ever under attack, and even then Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle have made bigger names for themselves over their military exploits than Finubar -- Finuval Field being the most obvious. There's a reason why he lets them take all the fame and power.
    Oh give up , the old world makes Finubars appearance more than likely.
    Like it or not now he has pretty good chance of appearing as the last dlc spot.


    If they want to have him in the newer Old World setting, that's one thing, it's their IP. It's another thing in another game, in another timeline, by another company, that already maps onto established lore before the End Times.

    Asking Finubar to be a LL Is like asking the Grey Council for the Skaven. His place in the story and in the game is to not actually be on the battlefield, because that's the job for about 80% of the other High Elf characters.
    Lol he is gonna come to wh as well.
    Old world makes him even more likely
    If the High Elves were going to be included in this game, sure, but they're not, at least not yet. Kislev is going by Old World as opposed to Oldhammer because that's the design and the faction CA got from GW to present in their reinvention of the setting. The High Elves already have their designs, rosters, and mechanics, which are mostly inspired from 7th and 8th edition, none of them which paint Finubar as particularly active. The likes of Alarielle, Imrik, and Eltharion are in the game first while he still is a background character for a reason.

    Also, Total War Warhammer isn't the same timeline or even the same universe as Old World, because very little is known about what will be in Old World. The High Elves have a few more outposts in Bretonnia, somewhere that has nothing to do with the setting for the third game. This is really just grasping at straws.
  • saweendra#3399saweendra#3399 Registered Users Posts: 18,929

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    Finubar on the Tabletop: "Oh I don't lead armies, I leave that to Tyrion. That's why I don't have a model."

    Finubar during the Great War of Chaos: "Oh I need to stay here to stop the Princes fighting, I'll leave that to Teclis."

    Finubar after he just got elected: "Oh I don't stop the Princes from starting a coup, I'll leave that to Alarielle."

    Finubar when a city got torched by pirates: "Oh I don't have to deal with that, Aislinn will already take care of it."


    These forums for some reason: "This guy should totally lead armies."

    Edit: I am not one of those people who thinks Finubar is incompetent. It's just worth pointing out that for most of the series, for most of the lore, Finubar is explicitly not a general or a fighter. Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable characters if Finubar was a different person.

    1. Finubar does lead armies occasionally. We know he fought many battles. Many characters don't have miniatures, but yes, I do hope the Old World will remedy the situation.

    2. Finubar was busy fighting the Dark Elves during the Great Chaos Incursion.

    3. Finubar couldn't stop the rumours himself because he was away.

    4. Finubar needed not to deal with such a small thing personally.

    I see no reason why Tyrion, Teclis and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable if Finubar was a different person. As other races rosters show, there's room for everyone.
    Finubar was an explorer. He once traveled and likely fought plenty. After he became Phoenix King, he stopped traveling and spent most of his time delegating and administrating.

    He only really fights whenever Ulthuan, specifically Lothern, is ever under attack, and even then Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle have made bigger names for themselves over their military exploits than Finubar -- Finuval Field being the most obvious. There's a reason why he lets them take all the fame and power.
    Oh give up , the old world makes Finubars appearance more than likely.
    Like it or not now he has pretty good chance of appearing as the last dlc spot.


    If they want to have him in the newer Old World setting, that's one thing, it's their IP. It's another thing in another game, in another timeline, by another company, that already maps onto established lore before the End Times.

    Asking Finubar to be a LL Is like asking the Grey Council for the Skaven. His place in the story and in the game is to not actually be on the battlefield, because that's the job for about 80% of the other High Elf characters.
    Lol he is gonna come to wh as well.
    Old world makes him even more likely
    If the High Elves were going to be included in this game, sure, but they're not, at least not yet. Kislev is going by Old World as opposed to Oldhammer because that's the design and the faction CA got from GW to present in their reinvention of the setting. The High Elves already have their designs, rosters, and mechanics, which are mostly inspired from 7th and 8th edition, none of them which paint Finubar as particularly active. The likes of Alarielle, Imrik, and Eltharion are in the game first while he still is a background character for a reason.

    Also, Total War Warhammer isn't the same timeline or even the same universe as Old World, because very little is known about what will be in Old World. The High Elves have a few more outposts in Bretonnia, somewhere that has nothing to do with the setting for the third game. This is really just grasping at straws.
    if he is not coming than why are you seem so desperate to say he is not coming. the fact your this desperate means you your self there is decent chance he can come


    #givemoreunitsforbrettonia, my bret dlc


  • OdTengriOdTengri Registered Users Posts: 10,096

    Great work showing Warhammer content as always Red_Dox.

    Finubar and Aislinn can both make it in. Two naval LLs with one focusing on campaign map mechanics and diplomacy (a chessmaster basically, similar to what Tzeentch is getting) while the other focuses on naval aggression and raiding. I made such a Lord Pack with them against Slaanesh (or the Masque to be specific).



    I did miss Korhil and Caradryan as two potential LHs but that was due to word count.

    Other information are rules for Phoenix King spirits from the End Times (with Finubar among them).



    There is also this from White Dwarf 211



    This is 'The Lion Guard of Finubar' which is obvious in the name but there is also this.

    “The company is based in Lothern, and they form the core of the palace guard of King Finubar during peacetime. At war they form the core of the High Elf infantry, and protect their lord from any attack.”

    “His loyalty to his liege lord Finubar the Seafarer is legendary. He has saved the Phoenix King several times both on the battlefield and during times of peace, and he has been severely wounded several times in the line of duty."

    Along the other information posted in this thread, it is clear proof that Finubar has been on battlefields multiple times and can lead as a general. He's just as the lore suggests, a leader and one of diplomacy, not a fighter (so a LL that works the campaign map and gives amazing leadership bonuses on the battlefield).

    He even has a sword made from Ind, a decent excuse to give him a reason to travel eastwards (or just a quest battle).
    Yeah... but why 2 versions of the same "Sea Helm LL" when we could have Korhil or Caradryan as LLs fitting totally different architypes.
  • NemoTheElf101NemoTheElf101 Registered Users Posts: 2,893
    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    Finubar on the Tabletop: "Oh I don't lead armies, I leave that to Tyrion. That's why I don't have a model."

    Finubar during the Great War of Chaos: "Oh I need to stay here to stop the Princes fighting, I'll leave that to Teclis."

    Finubar after he just got elected: "Oh I don't stop the Princes from starting a coup, I'll leave that to Alarielle."

    Finubar when a city got torched by pirates: "Oh I don't have to deal with that, Aislinn will already take care of it."


    These forums for some reason: "This guy should totally lead armies."

    Edit: I am not one of those people who thinks Finubar is incompetent. It's just worth pointing out that for most of the series, for most of the lore, Finubar is explicitly not a general or a fighter. Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable characters if Finubar was a different person.

    1. Finubar does lead armies occasionally. We know he fought many battles. Many characters don't have miniatures, but yes, I do hope the Old World will remedy the situation.

    2. Finubar was busy fighting the Dark Elves during the Great Chaos Incursion.

    3. Finubar couldn't stop the rumours himself because he was away.

    4. Finubar needed not to deal with such a small thing personally.

    I see no reason why Tyrion, Teclis and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable if Finubar was a different person. As other races rosters show, there's room for everyone.
    Finubar was an explorer. He once traveled and likely fought plenty. After he became Phoenix King, he stopped traveling and spent most of his time delegating and administrating.

    He only really fights whenever Ulthuan, specifically Lothern, is ever under attack, and even then Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle have made bigger names for themselves over their military exploits than Finubar -- Finuval Field being the most obvious. There's a reason why he lets them take all the fame and power.
    Oh give up , the old world makes Finubars appearance more than likely.
    Like it or not now he has pretty good chance of appearing as the last dlc spot.


    If they want to have him in the newer Old World setting, that's one thing, it's their IP. It's another thing in another game, in another timeline, by another company, that already maps onto established lore before the End Times.

    Asking Finubar to be a LL Is like asking the Grey Council for the Skaven. His place in the story and in the game is to not actually be on the battlefield, because that's the job for about 80% of the other High Elf characters.
    Lol he is gonna come to wh as well.
    Old world makes him even more likely
    If the High Elves were going to be included in this game, sure, but they're not, at least not yet. Kislev is going by Old World as opposed to Oldhammer because that's the design and the faction CA got from GW to present in their reinvention of the setting. The High Elves already have their designs, rosters, and mechanics, which are mostly inspired from 7th and 8th edition, none of them which paint Finubar as particularly active. The likes of Alarielle, Imrik, and Eltharion are in the game first while he still is a background character for a reason.

    Also, Total War Warhammer isn't the same timeline or even the same universe as Old World, because very little is known about what will be in Old World. The High Elves have a few more outposts in Bretonnia, somewhere that has nothing to do with the setting for the third game. This is really just grasping at straws.
    if he is not coming than why are you seem so desperate to say he is not coming. the fact your this desperate means you your self there is decent chance he can come

    ....No? He's not coming in for the same reason Yrelion, Anethra Hellbane, Emmanuelle, Kurt Helborg, or Bohemond aren't. In lore, in the story, they're obviously important, but that doesn't make them good or needed additions to the game with rules, models, and items, because other characters can do what they do, but better, or they're literally not made to be in the game.

    If CA announced High Elf DLC with Finubar as the Legendary Lord, I would think it's a poor idea when better options exist, but it's still more content for one of my favorite races. I just won't play him or his faction.
  • Ariel#4992Ariel#4992 Registered Users Posts: 2,368

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    Finubar on the Tabletop: "Oh I don't lead armies, I leave that to Tyrion. That's why I don't have a model."

    Finubar during the Great War of Chaos: "Oh I need to stay here to stop the Princes fighting, I'll leave that to Teclis."

    Finubar after he just got elected: "Oh I don't stop the Princes from starting a coup, I'll leave that to Alarielle."

    Finubar when a city got torched by pirates: "Oh I don't have to deal with that, Aislinn will already take care of it."


    These forums for some reason: "This guy should totally lead armies."

    Edit: I am not one of those people who thinks Finubar is incompetent. It's just worth pointing out that for most of the series, for most of the lore, Finubar is explicitly not a general or a fighter. Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable characters if Finubar was a different person.

    1. Finubar does lead armies occasionally. We know he fought many battles. Many characters don't have miniatures, but yes, I do hope the Old World will remedy the situation.

    2. Finubar was busy fighting the Dark Elves during the Great Chaos Incursion.

    3. Finubar couldn't stop the rumours himself because he was away.

    4. Finubar needed not to deal with such a small thing personally.

    I see no reason why Tyrion, Teclis and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable if Finubar was a different person. As other races rosters show, there's room for everyone.
    Finubar was an explorer. He once traveled and likely fought plenty. After he became Phoenix King, he stopped traveling and spent most of his time delegating and administrating.

    He only really fights whenever Ulthuan, specifically Lothern, is ever under attack, and even then Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle have made bigger names for themselves over their military exploits than Finubar -- Finuval Field being the most obvious. There's a reason why he lets them take all the fame and power.
    Oh give up , the old world makes Finubars appearance more than likely.
    Like it or not now he has pretty good chance of appearing as the last dlc spot.


    If they want to have him in the newer Old World setting, that's one thing, it's their IP. It's another thing in another game, in another timeline, by another company, that already maps onto established lore before the End Times.

    Asking Finubar to be a LL Is like asking the Grey Council for the Skaven. His place in the story and in the game is to not actually be on the battlefield, because that's the job for about 80% of the other High Elf characters.
    Lol he is gonna come to wh as well.
    Old world makes him even more likely
    If the High Elves were going to be included in this game, sure, but they're not, at least not yet. Kislev is going by Old World as opposed to Oldhammer because that's the design and the faction CA got from GW to present in their reinvention of the setting. The High Elves already have their designs, rosters, and mechanics, which are mostly inspired from 7th and 8th edition, none of them which paint Finubar as particularly active. The likes of Alarielle, Imrik, and Eltharion are in the game first while he still is a background character for a reason.

    Also, Total War Warhammer isn't the same timeline or even the same universe as Old World, because very little is known about what will be in Old World. The High Elves have a few more outposts in Bretonnia, somewhere that has nothing to do with the setting for the third game. This is really just grasping at straws.
    if he is not coming than why are you seem so desperate to say he is not coming. the fact your this desperate means you your self there is decent chance he can come

    ....No? He's not coming in for the same reason Yrelion, Anethra Hellbane, Emmanuelle, Kurt Helborg, or Bohemond aren't. In lore, in the story, they're obviously important, but that doesn't make them good or needed additions to the game with rules, models, and items, because other characters can do what they do, but better, or they're literally not made to be in the game.

    If CA announced High Elf DLC with Finubar as the Legendary Lord, I would think it's a poor idea when better options exist, but it's still more content for one of my favorite races. I just won't play him or his faction.
    You think Kurt won't come? What kind of heresy is that?

    Also, who the hell is Yrelion?

    The final rose has faded,
    The eaves will sing no more;
    The waxen ground will keep you bound,
    Death-pale until the thaw.
    Then she placed the rest of Orion's ashes into the bowl and turned to face the Oak of Ages.
    I used to go by many names here. Crazycrix, Dubinekdubajs, Yrellian and finally Ariel, one of my favourite characters in the setting. Still waiting for Finubar and Naieth!
  • saweendra#3399saweendra#3399 Registered Users Posts: 18,929

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    Finubar on the Tabletop: "Oh I don't lead armies, I leave that to Tyrion. That's why I don't have a model."

    Finubar during the Great War of Chaos: "Oh I need to stay here to stop the Princes fighting, I'll leave that to Teclis."

    Finubar after he just got elected: "Oh I don't stop the Princes from starting a coup, I'll leave that to Alarielle."

    Finubar when a city got torched by pirates: "Oh I don't have to deal with that, Aislinn will already take care of it."


    These forums for some reason: "This guy should totally lead armies."

    Edit: I am not one of those people who thinks Finubar is incompetent. It's just worth pointing out that for most of the series, for most of the lore, Finubar is explicitly not a general or a fighter. Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable characters if Finubar was a different person.

    1. Finubar does lead armies occasionally. We know he fought many battles. Many characters don't have miniatures, but yes, I do hope the Old World will remedy the situation.

    2. Finubar was busy fighting the Dark Elves during the Great Chaos Incursion.

    3. Finubar couldn't stop the rumours himself because he was away.

    4. Finubar needed not to deal with such a small thing personally.

    I see no reason why Tyrion, Teclis and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable if Finubar was a different person. As other races rosters show, there's room for everyone.
    Finubar was an explorer. He once traveled and likely fought plenty. After he became Phoenix King, he stopped traveling and spent most of his time delegating and administrating.

    He only really fights whenever Ulthuan, specifically Lothern, is ever under attack, and even then Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle have made bigger names for themselves over their military exploits than Finubar -- Finuval Field being the most obvious. There's a reason why he lets them take all the fame and power.
    Oh give up , the old world makes Finubars appearance more than likely.
    Like it or not now he has pretty good chance of appearing as the last dlc spot.


    If they want to have him in the newer Old World setting, that's one thing, it's their IP. It's another thing in another game, in another timeline, by another company, that already maps onto established lore before the End Times.

    Asking Finubar to be a LL Is like asking the Grey Council for the Skaven. His place in the story and in the game is to not actually be on the battlefield, because that's the job for about 80% of the other High Elf characters.
    Lol he is gonna come to wh as well.
    Old world makes him even more likely
    If the High Elves were going to be included in this game, sure, but they're not, at least not yet. Kislev is going by Old World as opposed to Oldhammer because that's the design and the faction CA got from GW to present in their reinvention of the setting. The High Elves already have their designs, rosters, and mechanics, which are mostly inspired from 7th and 8th edition, none of them which paint Finubar as particularly active. The likes of Alarielle, Imrik, and Eltharion are in the game first while he still is a background character for a reason.

    Also, Total War Warhammer isn't the same timeline or even the same universe as Old World, because very little is known about what will be in Old World. The High Elves have a few more outposts in Bretonnia, somewhere that has nothing to do with the setting for the third game. This is really just grasping at straws.
    if he is not coming than why are you seem so desperate to say he is not coming. the fact your this desperate means you your self there is decent chance he can come

    ....No? He's not coming in for the same reason Yrelion, Anethra Hellbane, Emmanuelle, Kurt Helborg, or Bohemond aren't. In lore, in the story, they're obviously important, but that doesn't make them good or needed additions to the game with rules, models, and items, because other characters can do what they do, but better, or they're literally not made to be in the game.

    If CA announced High Elf DLC with Finubar as the Legendary Lord, I would think it's a poor idea when better options exist, but it's still more content for one of my favorite races. I just won't play him or his faction.
    And ok let me ask you question what would Aislinn bring that can not be done by tyrion or imrik

    Be a better melee fighter nope , ride a dragon nope,

    Cast magic nope. Be better caster than teclis nope.

    Shoot bow ehm alith anar.



    See its true for Aislinn as well.
    And in this case Finubar has the edge because you could make him a full blown support character. He at least brings that to the table.

    If we go that route.

    #givemoreunitsforbrettonia, my bret dlc


  • NemoTheElf101NemoTheElf101 Registered Users Posts: 2,893
    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    Finubar on the Tabletop: "Oh I don't lead armies, I leave that to Tyrion. That's why I don't have a model."

    Finubar during the Great War of Chaos: "Oh I need to stay here to stop the Princes fighting, I'll leave that to Teclis."

    Finubar after he just got elected: "Oh I don't stop the Princes from starting a coup, I'll leave that to Alarielle."

    Finubar when a city got torched by pirates: "Oh I don't have to deal with that, Aislinn will already take care of it."


    These forums for some reason: "This guy should totally lead armies."

    Edit: I am not one of those people who thinks Finubar is incompetent. It's just worth pointing out that for most of the series, for most of the lore, Finubar is explicitly not a general or a fighter. Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable characters if Finubar was a different person.

    1. Finubar does lead armies occasionally. We know he fought many battles. Many characters don't have miniatures, but yes, I do hope the Old World will remedy the situation.

    2. Finubar was busy fighting the Dark Elves during the Great Chaos Incursion.

    3. Finubar couldn't stop the rumours himself because he was away.

    4. Finubar needed not to deal with such a small thing personally.

    I see no reason why Tyrion, Teclis and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable if Finubar was a different person. As other races rosters show, there's room for everyone.
    Finubar was an explorer. He once traveled and likely fought plenty. After he became Phoenix King, he stopped traveling and spent most of his time delegating and administrating.

    He only really fights whenever Ulthuan, specifically Lothern, is ever under attack, and even then Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle have made bigger names for themselves over their military exploits than Finubar -- Finuval Field being the most obvious. There's a reason why he lets them take all the fame and power.
    Oh give up , the old world makes Finubars appearance more than likely.
    Like it or not now he has pretty good chance of appearing as the last dlc spot.


    If they want to have him in the newer Old World setting, that's one thing, it's their IP. It's another thing in another game, in another timeline, by another company, that already maps onto established lore before the End Times.

    Asking Finubar to be a LL Is like asking the Grey Council for the Skaven. His place in the story and in the game is to not actually be on the battlefield, because that's the job for about 80% of the other High Elf characters.
    Lol he is gonna come to wh as well.
    Old world makes him even more likely
    If the High Elves were going to be included in this game, sure, but they're not, at least not yet. Kislev is going by Old World as opposed to Oldhammer because that's the design and the faction CA got from GW to present in their reinvention of the setting. The High Elves already have their designs, rosters, and mechanics, which are mostly inspired from 7th and 8th edition, none of them which paint Finubar as particularly active. The likes of Alarielle, Imrik, and Eltharion are in the game first while he still is a background character for a reason.

    Also, Total War Warhammer isn't the same timeline or even the same universe as Old World, because very little is known about what will be in Old World. The High Elves have a few more outposts in Bretonnia, somewhere that has nothing to do with the setting for the third game. This is really just grasping at straws.
    if he is not coming than why are you seem so desperate to say he is not coming. the fact your this desperate means you your self there is decent chance he can come

    ....No? He's not coming in for the same reason Yrelion, Anethra Hellbane, Emmanuelle, Kurt Helborg, or Bohemond aren't. In lore, in the story, they're obviously important, but that doesn't make them good or needed additions to the game with rules, models, and items, because other characters can do what they do, but better, or they're literally not made to be in the game.

    If CA announced High Elf DLC with Finubar as the Legendary Lord, I would think it's a poor idea when better options exist, but it's still more content for one of my favorite races. I just won't play him or his faction.
    And ok let me ask you question what would Aislinn bring that can not be done by tyrion or imrik

    Be a better melee fighter nope , ride a dragon nope,

    Cast magic nope. Be better caster than teclis nope.

    Shoot bow ehm alith anar.



    See its true for Aislinn as well.
    And in this case Finubar has the edge because you could make him a full blown support character. He at least brings that to the table.

    If we go that route.
    We already have a support character -- Alarielle. She's one of the best healers and buffers in the game.

    We already have a general character -- Tyrion. He's still one of the best duelists in the game.

    We already have a diplomatic character -- Teclis. He's got an easier time befriending most other Order factions, on top of being a powerful mage.

    Aislinn is an admiral. He has a unique army tailored to his playstyle for the Storm of Chaos campaign with campaign-specific units, spells, and mechanics.
  • saweendra#3399saweendra#3399 Registered Users Posts: 18,929

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    Finubar on the Tabletop: "Oh I don't lead armies, I leave that to Tyrion. That's why I don't have a model."

    Finubar during the Great War of Chaos: "Oh I need to stay here to stop the Princes fighting, I'll leave that to Teclis."

    Finubar after he just got elected: "Oh I don't stop the Princes from starting a coup, I'll leave that to Alarielle."

    Finubar when a city got torched by pirates: "Oh I don't have to deal with that, Aislinn will already take care of it."


    These forums for some reason: "This guy should totally lead armies."

    Edit: I am not one of those people who thinks Finubar is incompetent. It's just worth pointing out that for most of the series, for most of the lore, Finubar is explicitly not a general or a fighter. Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable characters if Finubar was a different person.

    1. Finubar does lead armies occasionally. We know he fought many battles. Many characters don't have miniatures, but yes, I do hope the Old World will remedy the situation.

    2. Finubar was busy fighting the Dark Elves during the Great Chaos Incursion.

    3. Finubar couldn't stop the rumours himself because he was away.

    4. Finubar needed not to deal with such a small thing personally.

    I see no reason why Tyrion, Teclis and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable if Finubar was a different person. As other races rosters show, there's room for everyone.
    Finubar was an explorer. He once traveled and likely fought plenty. After he became Phoenix King, he stopped traveling and spent most of his time delegating and administrating.

    He only really fights whenever Ulthuan, specifically Lothern, is ever under attack, and even then Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle have made bigger names for themselves over their military exploits than Finubar -- Finuval Field being the most obvious. There's a reason why he lets them take all the fame and power.
    Oh give up , the old world makes Finubars appearance more than likely.
    Like it or not now he has pretty good chance of appearing as the last dlc spot.


    If they want to have him in the newer Old World setting, that's one thing, it's their IP. It's another thing in another game, in another timeline, by another company, that already maps onto established lore before the End Times.

    Asking Finubar to be a LL Is like asking the Grey Council for the Skaven. His place in the story and in the game is to not actually be on the battlefield, because that's the job for about 80% of the other High Elf characters.
    Lol he is gonna come to wh as well.
    Old world makes him even more likely
    If the High Elves were going to be included in this game, sure, but they're not, at least not yet. Kislev is going by Old World as opposed to Oldhammer because that's the design and the faction CA got from GW to present in their reinvention of the setting. The High Elves already have their designs, rosters, and mechanics, which are mostly inspired from 7th and 8th edition, none of them which paint Finubar as particularly active. The likes of Alarielle, Imrik, and Eltharion are in the game first while he still is a background character for a reason.

    Also, Total War Warhammer isn't the same timeline or even the same universe as Old World, because very little is known about what will be in Old World. The High Elves have a few more outposts in Bretonnia, somewhere that has nothing to do with the setting for the third game. This is really just grasping at straws.
    if he is not coming than why are you seem so desperate to say he is not coming. the fact your this desperate means you your self there is decent chance he can come

    ....No? He's not coming in for the same reason Yrelion, Anethra Hellbane, Emmanuelle, Kurt Helborg, or Bohemond aren't. In lore, in the story, they're obviously important, but that doesn't make them good or needed additions to the game with rules, models, and items, because other characters can do what they do, but better, or they're literally not made to be in the game.

    If CA announced High Elf DLC with Finubar as the Legendary Lord, I would think it's a poor idea when better options exist, but it's still more content for one of my favorite races. I just won't play him or his faction.
    And ok let me ask you question what would Aislinn bring that can not be done by tyrion or imrik

    Be a better melee fighter nope , ride a dragon nope,

    Cast magic nope. Be better caster than teclis nope.

    Shoot bow ehm alith anar.



    See its true for Aislinn as well.
    And in this case Finubar has the edge because you could make him a full blown support character. He at least brings that to the table.

    If we go that route.
    We already have a support character -- Alarielle. She's one of the best healers and buffers in the game.

    We already have a general character -- Tyrion. He's still one of the best duelists in the game.

    We already have a diplomatic character -- Teclis. He's got an easier time befriending most other Order factions, on top of being a powerful mage.

    Aislinn is an admiral. He has a unique army tailored to his playstyle for the Storm of Chaos campaign with campaign-specific units, spells, and mechanics.
    Lol are we serious right now wha would said admiral do ?

    and Why can not Finubar can not do that

    aka he can have mechanics related to exploration, administration. he can have unique camapin units no let me rephrase units that can actually be used in all mods , MP , Camapagin and every one esle,
    there is nothing preventing him from also having a unique play style.

    plus most of the remaning units in his so called unqiue list is already kind of play ble bar Merwyrm in elithrions mist walkers . because only other unique unit in that list apart from it was ships company which was a sword and sheild cheap unit.
    Like cut the BS for second there is literally nothing Aissilin can do finubar can not, with the caveat FInubar has more potentiol mecahnics and LH options than Aissilin .

    its just plain fact.

    #givemoreunitsforbrettonia, my bret dlc


  • NemoTheElf101NemoTheElf101 Registered Users Posts: 2,893
    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    Finubar on the Tabletop: "Oh I don't lead armies, I leave that to Tyrion. That's why I don't have a model."

    Finubar during the Great War of Chaos: "Oh I need to stay here to stop the Princes fighting, I'll leave that to Teclis."

    Finubar after he just got elected: "Oh I don't stop the Princes from starting a coup, I'll leave that to Alarielle."

    Finubar when a city got torched by pirates: "Oh I don't have to deal with that, Aislinn will already take care of it."


    These forums for some reason: "This guy should totally lead armies."

    Edit: I am not one of those people who thinks Finubar is incompetent. It's just worth pointing out that for most of the series, for most of the lore, Finubar is explicitly not a general or a fighter. Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable characters if Finubar was a different person.

    1. Finubar does lead armies occasionally. We know he fought many battles. Many characters don't have miniatures, but yes, I do hope the Old World will remedy the situation.

    2. Finubar was busy fighting the Dark Elves during the Great Chaos Incursion.

    3. Finubar couldn't stop the rumours himself because he was away.

    4. Finubar needed not to deal with such a small thing personally.

    I see no reason why Tyrion, Teclis and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable if Finubar was a different person. As other races rosters show, there's room for everyone.
    Finubar was an explorer. He once traveled and likely fought plenty. After he became Phoenix King, he stopped traveling and spent most of his time delegating and administrating.

    He only really fights whenever Ulthuan, specifically Lothern, is ever under attack, and even then Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle have made bigger names for themselves over their military exploits than Finubar -- Finuval Field being the most obvious. There's a reason why he lets them take all the fame and power.
    Oh give up , the old world makes Finubars appearance more than likely.
    Like it or not now he has pretty good chance of appearing as the last dlc spot.


    If they want to have him in the newer Old World setting, that's one thing, it's their IP. It's another thing in another game, in another timeline, by another company, that already maps onto established lore before the End Times.

    Asking Finubar to be a LL Is like asking the Grey Council for the Skaven. His place in the story and in the game is to not actually be on the battlefield, because that's the job for about 80% of the other High Elf characters.
    Lol he is gonna come to wh as well.
    Old world makes him even more likely
    If the High Elves were going to be included in this game, sure, but they're not, at least not yet. Kislev is going by Old World as opposed to Oldhammer because that's the design and the faction CA got from GW to present in their reinvention of the setting. The High Elves already have their designs, rosters, and mechanics, which are mostly inspired from 7th and 8th edition, none of them which paint Finubar as particularly active. The likes of Alarielle, Imrik, and Eltharion are in the game first while he still is a background character for a reason.

    Also, Total War Warhammer isn't the same timeline or even the same universe as Old World, because very little is known about what will be in Old World. The High Elves have a few more outposts in Bretonnia, somewhere that has nothing to do with the setting for the third game. This is really just grasping at straws.
    if he is not coming than why are you seem so desperate to say he is not coming. the fact your this desperate means you your self there is decent chance he can come

    ....No? He's not coming in for the same reason Yrelion, Anethra Hellbane, Emmanuelle, Kurt Helborg, or Bohemond aren't. In lore, in the story, they're obviously important, but that doesn't make them good or needed additions to the game with rules, models, and items, because other characters can do what they do, but better, or they're literally not made to be in the game.

    If CA announced High Elf DLC with Finubar as the Legendary Lord, I would think it's a poor idea when better options exist, but it's still more content for one of my favorite races. I just won't play him or his faction.
    And ok let me ask you question what would Aislinn bring that can not be done by tyrion or imrik

    Be a better melee fighter nope , ride a dragon nope,

    Cast magic nope. Be better caster than teclis nope.

    Shoot bow ehm alith anar.



    See its true for Aislinn as well.
    And in this case Finubar has the edge because you could make him a full blown support character. He at least brings that to the table.

    If we go that route.
    We already have a support character -- Alarielle. She's one of the best healers and buffers in the game.

    We already have a general character -- Tyrion. He's still one of the best duelists in the game.

    We already have a diplomatic character -- Teclis. He's got an easier time befriending most other Order factions, on top of being a powerful mage.

    Aislinn is an admiral. He has a unique army tailored to his playstyle for the Storm of Chaos campaign with campaign-specific units, spells, and mechanics.
    Lol are we serious right now wha would said admiral do ?

    and Why can not Finubar can not do that

    aka he can have mechanics related to exploration, administration. he can have unique camapin units no let me rephrase units that can actually be used in all mods , MP , Camapagin and every one esle,
    there is nothing preventing him from also having a unique play style.

    plus most of the remaning units in his so called unqiue list is already kind of play ble bar Merwyrm in elithrions mist walkers . because only other unique unit in that list apart from it was ships company which was a sword and sheild cheap unit.
    Like cut the BS for second there is literally nothing Aissilin can do finubar can not, with the caveat FInubar has more potentiol mecahnics and LH options than Aissilin .

    its just plain fact.
    Finubar is, again, tied up into the Intrigue at Court mechanic, as well as intrigue events. He's already in the game.

    Aislinn is the commander of the High Elf fleet -- by Finubar's appointment. He handled the Storm of Chaos from the sea and regularly intercedes with Norscan's on Finubar's behalf.
  • saweendra#3399saweendra#3399 Registered Users Posts: 18,929

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    Finubar on the Tabletop: "Oh I don't lead armies, I leave that to Tyrion. That's why I don't have a model."

    Finubar during the Great War of Chaos: "Oh I need to stay here to stop the Princes fighting, I'll leave that to Teclis."

    Finubar after he just got elected: "Oh I don't stop the Princes from starting a coup, I'll leave that to Alarielle."

    Finubar when a city got torched by pirates: "Oh I don't have to deal with that, Aislinn will already take care of it."


    These forums for some reason: "This guy should totally lead armies."

    Edit: I am not one of those people who thinks Finubar is incompetent. It's just worth pointing out that for most of the series, for most of the lore, Finubar is explicitly not a general or a fighter. Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable characters if Finubar was a different person.

    1. Finubar does lead armies occasionally. We know he fought many battles. Many characters don't have miniatures, but yes, I do hope the Old World will remedy the situation.

    2. Finubar was busy fighting the Dark Elves during the Great Chaos Incursion.

    3. Finubar couldn't stop the rumours himself because he was away.

    4. Finubar needed not to deal with such a small thing personally.

    I see no reason why Tyrion, Teclis and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable if Finubar was a different person. As other races rosters show, there's room for everyone.
    Finubar was an explorer. He once traveled and likely fought plenty. After he became Phoenix King, he stopped traveling and spent most of his time delegating and administrating.

    He only really fights whenever Ulthuan, specifically Lothern, is ever under attack, and even then Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle have made bigger names for themselves over their military exploits than Finubar -- Finuval Field being the most obvious. There's a reason why he lets them take all the fame and power.
    Oh give up , the old world makes Finubars appearance more than likely.
    Like it or not now he has pretty good chance of appearing as the last dlc spot.


    If they want to have him in the newer Old World setting, that's one thing, it's their IP. It's another thing in another game, in another timeline, by another company, that already maps onto established lore before the End Times.

    Asking Finubar to be a LL Is like asking the Grey Council for the Skaven. His place in the story and in the game is to not actually be on the battlefield, because that's the job for about 80% of the other High Elf characters.
    Lol he is gonna come to wh as well.
    Old world makes him even more likely
    If the High Elves were going to be included in this game, sure, but they're not, at least not yet. Kislev is going by Old World as opposed to Oldhammer because that's the design and the faction CA got from GW to present in their reinvention of the setting. The High Elves already have their designs, rosters, and mechanics, which are mostly inspired from 7th and 8th edition, none of them which paint Finubar as particularly active. The likes of Alarielle, Imrik, and Eltharion are in the game first while he still is a background character for a reason.

    Also, Total War Warhammer isn't the same timeline or even the same universe as Old World, because very little is known about what will be in Old World. The High Elves have a few more outposts in Bretonnia, somewhere that has nothing to do with the setting for the third game. This is really just grasping at straws.
    if he is not coming than why are you seem so desperate to say he is not coming. the fact your this desperate means you your self there is decent chance he can come

    ....No? He's not coming in for the same reason Yrelion, Anethra Hellbane, Emmanuelle, Kurt Helborg, or Bohemond aren't. In lore, in the story, they're obviously important, but that doesn't make them good or needed additions to the game with rules, models, and items, because other characters can do what they do, but better, or they're literally not made to be in the game.

    If CA announced High Elf DLC with Finubar as the Legendary Lord, I would think it's a poor idea when better options exist, but it's still more content for one of my favorite races. I just won't play him or his faction.
    And ok let me ask you question what would Aislinn bring that can not be done by tyrion or imrik

    Be a better melee fighter nope , ride a dragon nope,

    Cast magic nope. Be better caster than teclis nope.

    Shoot bow ehm alith anar.



    See its true for Aislinn as well.
    And in this case Finubar has the edge because you could make him a full blown support character. He at least brings that to the table.

    If we go that route.
    We already have a support character -- Alarielle. She's one of the best healers and buffers in the game.

    We already have a general character -- Tyrion. He's still one of the best duelists in the game.

    We already have a diplomatic character -- Teclis. He's got an easier time befriending most other Order factions, on top of being a powerful mage.

    Aislinn is an admiral. He has a unique army tailored to his playstyle for the Storm of Chaos campaign with campaign-specific units, spells, and mechanics.
    Lol are we serious right now wha would said admiral do ?

    and Why can not Finubar can not do that

    aka he can have mechanics related to exploration, administration. he can have unique camapin units no let me rephrase units that can actually be used in all mods , MP , Camapagin and every one esle,
    there is nothing preventing him from also having a unique play style.

    plus most of the remaning units in his so called unqiue list is already kind of play ble bar Merwyrm in elithrions mist walkers . because only other unique unit in that list apart from it was ships company which was a sword and sheild cheap unit.
    Like cut the BS for second there is literally nothing Aissilin can do finubar can not, with the caveat FInubar has more potentiol mecahnics and LH options than Aissilin .

    its just plain fact.
    Finubar is, again, tied up into the Intrigue at Court mechanic, as well as intrigue events. He's already in the game.

    Aislinn is the commander of the High Elf fleet -- by Finubar's appointment. He handled the Storm of Chaos from the sea and regularly intercedes with Norscan's on Finubar's behalf.
    again dude the intrigue in the court mechanic can be fleshed out further and honestly should be reworked to be more interactive , like some of the wh 3 mechanics

    there is literally nothing against why finubar himself can not be leading armies he can , he has and that s the end of the that.

    look just except plain truth Finubar is likely candidate for the last LP for HE, and deal with it

    #givemoreunitsforbrettonia, my bret dlc


  • NemoTheElf101NemoTheElf101 Registered Users Posts: 2,893
    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    Finubar on the Tabletop: "Oh I don't lead armies, I leave that to Tyrion. That's why I don't have a model."

    Finubar during the Great War of Chaos: "Oh I need to stay here to stop the Princes fighting, I'll leave that to Teclis."

    Finubar after he just got elected: "Oh I don't stop the Princes from starting a coup, I'll leave that to Alarielle."

    Finubar when a city got torched by pirates: "Oh I don't have to deal with that, Aislinn will already take care of it."


    These forums for some reason: "This guy should totally lead armies."

    Edit: I am not one of those people who thinks Finubar is incompetent. It's just worth pointing out that for most of the series, for most of the lore, Finubar is explicitly not a general or a fighter. Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable characters if Finubar was a different person.

    1. Finubar does lead armies occasionally. We know he fought many battles. Many characters don't have miniatures, but yes, I do hope the Old World will remedy the situation.

    2. Finubar was busy fighting the Dark Elves during the Great Chaos Incursion.

    3. Finubar couldn't stop the rumours himself because he was away.

    4. Finubar needed not to deal with such a small thing personally.

    I see no reason why Tyrion, Teclis and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable if Finubar was a different person. As other races rosters show, there's room for everyone.
    Finubar was an explorer. He once traveled and likely fought plenty. After he became Phoenix King, he stopped traveling and spent most of his time delegating and administrating.

    He only really fights whenever Ulthuan, specifically Lothern, is ever under attack, and even then Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle have made bigger names for themselves over their military exploits than Finubar -- Finuval Field being the most obvious. There's a reason why he lets them take all the fame and power.
    Oh give up , the old world makes Finubars appearance more than likely.
    Like it or not now he has pretty good chance of appearing as the last dlc spot.


    If they want to have him in the newer Old World setting, that's one thing, it's their IP. It's another thing in another game, in another timeline, by another company, that already maps onto established lore before the End Times.

    Asking Finubar to be a LL Is like asking the Grey Council for the Skaven. His place in the story and in the game is to not actually be on the battlefield, because that's the job for about 80% of the other High Elf characters.
    Lol he is gonna come to wh as well.
    Old world makes him even more likely
    If the High Elves were going to be included in this game, sure, but they're not, at least not yet. Kislev is going by Old World as opposed to Oldhammer because that's the design and the faction CA got from GW to present in their reinvention of the setting. The High Elves already have their designs, rosters, and mechanics, which are mostly inspired from 7th and 8th edition, none of them which paint Finubar as particularly active. The likes of Alarielle, Imrik, and Eltharion are in the game first while he still is a background character for a reason.

    Also, Total War Warhammer isn't the same timeline or even the same universe as Old World, because very little is known about what will be in Old World. The High Elves have a few more outposts in Bretonnia, somewhere that has nothing to do with the setting for the third game. This is really just grasping at straws.
    if he is not coming than why are you seem so desperate to say he is not coming. the fact your this desperate means you your self there is decent chance he can come

    ....No? He's not coming in for the same reason Yrelion, Anethra Hellbane, Emmanuelle, Kurt Helborg, or Bohemond aren't. In lore, in the story, they're obviously important, but that doesn't make them good or needed additions to the game with rules, models, and items, because other characters can do what they do, but better, or they're literally not made to be in the game.

    If CA announced High Elf DLC with Finubar as the Legendary Lord, I would think it's a poor idea when better options exist, but it's still more content for one of my favorite races. I just won't play him or his faction.
    And ok let me ask you question what would Aislinn bring that can not be done by tyrion or imrik

    Be a better melee fighter nope , ride a dragon nope,

    Cast magic nope. Be better caster than teclis nope.

    Shoot bow ehm alith anar.



    See its true for Aislinn as well.
    And in this case Finubar has the edge because you could make him a full blown support character. He at least brings that to the table.

    If we go that route.
    We already have a support character -- Alarielle. She's one of the best healers and buffers in the game.

    We already have a general character -- Tyrion. He's still one of the best duelists in the game.

    We already have a diplomatic character -- Teclis. He's got an easier time befriending most other Order factions, on top of being a powerful mage.

    Aislinn is an admiral. He has a unique army tailored to his playstyle for the Storm of Chaos campaign with campaign-specific units, spells, and mechanics.
    Lol are we serious right now wha would said admiral do ?

    and Why can not Finubar can not do that

    aka he can have mechanics related to exploration, administration. he can have unique camapin units no let me rephrase units that can actually be used in all mods , MP , Camapagin and every one esle,
    there is nothing preventing him from also having a unique play style.

    plus most of the remaning units in his so called unqiue list is already kind of play ble bar Merwyrm in elithrions mist walkers . because only other unique unit in that list apart from it was ships company which was a sword and sheild cheap unit.
    Like cut the BS for second there is literally nothing Aissilin can do finubar can not, with the caveat FInubar has more potentiol mecahnics and LH options than Aissilin .

    its just plain fact.
    Finubar is, again, tied up into the Intrigue at Court mechanic, as well as intrigue events. He's already in the game.

    Aislinn is the commander of the High Elf fleet -- by Finubar's appointment. He handled the Storm of Chaos from the sea and regularly intercedes with Norscan's on Finubar's behalf.
    again dude the intrigue in the court mechanic can be fleshed out further and honestly should be reworked to be more interactive , like some of the wh 3 mechanics

    there is literally nothing against why finubar himself can not be leading armies he can , he has and that s the end of the that.

    look just except plain truth Finubar is likely candidate for the last LP for HE, and deal with it
    "Fleshing out" the IaC mechanic by removing Finubar is essentially removing the mechanic altogether; he's literally the main character of the events and the entire mechanic. It should be improved, but politics is Finubar's thing, it's most of his character. By participating in the mechanic, in the game, in the flavour text, you're helping Finubar administrate and handle power plays in his own court.

    Finubar doesn't fight in the Storm of Chaos because he's dealing with the nobility.
    Finubar doesn't fight on Finuval Field because he's dealing with the nobility.
    Finubar doesn't fight in the Great Chaos war because he's dealing with the nobility.

    Whenever trouble appears, he sends either Tyrion, Aislinn, or Teclis to handle it, or Alarielle handles it on her own.
  • saweendra#3399saweendra#3399 Registered Users Posts: 18,929

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    Finubar on the Tabletop: "Oh I don't lead armies, I leave that to Tyrion. That's why I don't have a model."

    Finubar during the Great War of Chaos: "Oh I need to stay here to stop the Princes fighting, I'll leave that to Teclis."

    Finubar after he just got elected: "Oh I don't stop the Princes from starting a coup, I'll leave that to Alarielle."

    Finubar when a city got torched by pirates: "Oh I don't have to deal with that, Aislinn will already take care of it."


    These forums for some reason: "This guy should totally lead armies."

    Edit: I am not one of those people who thinks Finubar is incompetent. It's just worth pointing out that for most of the series, for most of the lore, Finubar is explicitly not a general or a fighter. Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable characters if Finubar was a different person.

    1. Finubar does lead armies occasionally. We know he fought many battles. Many characters don't have miniatures, but yes, I do hope the Old World will remedy the situation.

    2. Finubar was busy fighting the Dark Elves during the Great Chaos Incursion.

    3. Finubar couldn't stop the rumours himself because he was away.

    4. Finubar needed not to deal with such a small thing personally.

    I see no reason why Tyrion, Teclis and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable if Finubar was a different person. As other races rosters show, there's room for everyone.
    Finubar was an explorer. He once traveled and likely fought plenty. After he became Phoenix King, he stopped traveling and spent most of his time delegating and administrating.

    He only really fights whenever Ulthuan, specifically Lothern, is ever under attack, and even then Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle have made bigger names for themselves over their military exploits than Finubar -- Finuval Field being the most obvious. There's a reason why he lets them take all the fame and power.
    Oh give up , the old world makes Finubars appearance more than likely.
    Like it or not now he has pretty good chance of appearing as the last dlc spot.


    If they want to have him in the newer Old World setting, that's one thing, it's their IP. It's another thing in another game, in another timeline, by another company, that already maps onto established lore before the End Times.

    Asking Finubar to be a LL Is like asking the Grey Council for the Skaven. His place in the story and in the game is to not actually be on the battlefield, because that's the job for about 80% of the other High Elf characters.
    Lol he is gonna come to wh as well.
    Old world makes him even more likely
    If the High Elves were going to be included in this game, sure, but they're not, at least not yet. Kislev is going by Old World as opposed to Oldhammer because that's the design and the faction CA got from GW to present in their reinvention of the setting. The High Elves already have their designs, rosters, and mechanics, which are mostly inspired from 7th and 8th edition, none of them which paint Finubar as particularly active. The likes of Alarielle, Imrik, and Eltharion are in the game first while he still is a background character for a reason.

    Also, Total War Warhammer isn't the same timeline or even the same universe as Old World, because very little is known about what will be in Old World. The High Elves have a few more outposts in Bretonnia, somewhere that has nothing to do with the setting for the third game. This is really just grasping at straws.
    if he is not coming than why are you seem so desperate to say he is not coming. the fact your this desperate means you your self there is decent chance he can come

    ....No? He's not coming in for the same reason Yrelion, Anethra Hellbane, Emmanuelle, Kurt Helborg, or Bohemond aren't. In lore, in the story, they're obviously important, but that doesn't make them good or needed additions to the game with rules, models, and items, because other characters can do what they do, but better, or they're literally not made to be in the game.

    If CA announced High Elf DLC with Finubar as the Legendary Lord, I would think it's a poor idea when better options exist, but it's still more content for one of my favorite races. I just won't play him or his faction.
    And ok let me ask you question what would Aislinn bring that can not be done by tyrion or imrik

    Be a better melee fighter nope , ride a dragon nope,

    Cast magic nope. Be better caster than teclis nope.

    Shoot bow ehm alith anar.



    See its true for Aislinn as well.
    And in this case Finubar has the edge because you could make him a full blown support character. He at least brings that to the table.

    If we go that route.
    We already have a support character -- Alarielle. She's one of the best healers and buffers in the game.

    We already have a general character -- Tyrion. He's still one of the best duelists in the game.

    We already have a diplomatic character -- Teclis. He's got an easier time befriending most other Order factions, on top of being a powerful mage.

    Aislinn is an admiral. He has a unique army tailored to his playstyle for the Storm of Chaos campaign with campaign-specific units, spells, and mechanics.
    Lol are we serious right now wha would said admiral do ?

    and Why can not Finubar can not do that

    aka he can have mechanics related to exploration, administration. he can have unique camapin units no let me rephrase units that can actually be used in all mods , MP , Camapagin and every one esle,
    there is nothing preventing him from also having a unique play style.

    plus most of the remaning units in his so called unqiue list is already kind of play ble bar Merwyrm in elithrions mist walkers . because only other unique unit in that list apart from it was ships company which was a sword and sheild cheap unit.
    Like cut the BS for second there is literally nothing Aissilin can do finubar can not, with the caveat FInubar has more potentiol mecahnics and LH options than Aissilin .

    its just plain fact.
    Finubar is, again, tied up into the Intrigue at Court mechanic, as well as intrigue events. He's already in the game.

    Aislinn is the commander of the High Elf fleet -- by Finubar's appointment. He handled the Storm of Chaos from the sea and regularly intercedes with Norscan's on Finubar's behalf.
    again dude the intrigue in the court mechanic can be fleshed out further and honestly should be reworked to be more interactive , like some of the wh 3 mechanics

    there is literally nothing against why finubar himself can not be leading armies he can , he has and that s the end of the that.

    look just except plain truth Finubar is likely candidate for the last LP for HE, and deal with it
    "Fleshing out" the IaC mechanic by removing Finubar is essentially removing the mechanic altogether; he's literally the main character of the events and the entire mechanic. It should be improved, but politics is Finubar's thing, it's most of his character. By participating in the mechanic, in the game, in the flavour text, you're helping Finubar administrate and handle power plays in his own court.

    Finubar doesn't fight in the Storm of Chaos because he's dealing with the nobility.
    Finubar doesn't fight on Finuval Field because he's dealing with the nobility.
    Finubar doesn't fight in the Great Chaos war because he's dealing with the nobility.

    Whenever trouble appears, he sends either Tyrion, Aislinn, or Teclis to handle it, or Alarielle handles it on her own.
    Not really it just making way more interactive form the prespective of the character thats using it because as of now Intrige at court id boring as all hell and needs to be reworked , if it means ending like the empire offices for better more interactive mechanic than so **** be it.

    he can fight mate why are you arguing so hard , strom of chaos doesn't matter for the game or TT because that was whole sale retconned.
    the fact still remain Finubar can fight ,he can lead armies, has much better campaign and battle field potential. and thats more than enough for character to come and lead dlc because nakai has ld qualities and still became a LL

    doesn't matter if he appeared in any of the other story lines as warrior in the front lines much because old world is gonna be taking much more in depth look at those events in the future any way when it comes to the great war of chaos. and things will be retconned .

    you have yet to say any thing that will disqualify Finubar except for the same old same old you keep saying, just get over it mate He is likely character and with time becoming more and more likely .

    #givemoreunitsforbrettonia, my bret dlc


  • Arthas_MenethilArthas_Menethil Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 7,334
    edited October 2021
    Do you have a PDF for that Series? Been trying to find it for some time.
    So...the Light's vaunted justice has finally arrived. Shall I lay down Frostmourne and throw myself at your mercy, Fordring?

  • NemoTheElf101NemoTheElf101 Registered Users Posts: 2,893
    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

    Finubar on the Tabletop: "Oh I don't lead armies, I leave that to Tyrion. That's why I don't have a model."

    Finubar during the Great War of Chaos: "Oh I need to stay here to stop the Princes fighting, I'll leave that to Teclis."

    Finubar after he just got elected: "Oh I don't stop the Princes from starting a coup, I'll leave that to Alarielle."

    Finubar when a city got torched by pirates: "Oh I don't have to deal with that, Aislinn will already take care of it."


    These forums for some reason: "This guy should totally lead armies."

    Edit: I am not one of those people who thinks Finubar is incompetent. It's just worth pointing out that for most of the series, for most of the lore, Finubar is explicitly not a general or a fighter. Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable characters if Finubar was a different person.

    1. Finubar does lead armies occasionally. We know he fought many battles. Many characters don't have miniatures, but yes, I do hope the Old World will remedy the situation.

    2. Finubar was busy fighting the Dark Elves during the Great Chaos Incursion.

    3. Finubar couldn't stop the rumours himself because he was away.

    4. Finubar needed not to deal with such a small thing personally.

    I see no reason why Tyrion, Teclis and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable if Finubar was a different person. As other races rosters show, there's room for everyone.
    Finubar was an explorer. He once traveled and likely fought plenty. After he became Phoenix King, he stopped traveling and spent most of his time delegating and administrating.

    He only really fights whenever Ulthuan, specifically Lothern, is ever under attack, and even then Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle have made bigger names for themselves over their military exploits than Finubar -- Finuval Field being the most obvious. There's a reason why he lets them take all the fame and power.
    Oh give up , the old world makes Finubars appearance more than likely.
    Like it or not now he has pretty good chance of appearing as the last dlc spot.


    If they want to have him in the newer Old World setting, that's one thing, it's their IP. It's another thing in another game, in another timeline, by another company, that already maps onto established lore before the End Times.

    Asking Finubar to be a LL Is like asking the Grey Council for the Skaven. His place in the story and in the game is to not actually be on the battlefield, because that's the job for about 80% of the other High Elf characters.
    Lol he is gonna come to wh as well.
    Old world makes him even more likely
    If the High Elves were going to be included in this game, sure, but they're not, at least not yet. Kislev is going by Old World as opposed to Oldhammer because that's the design and the faction CA got from GW to present in their reinvention of the setting. The High Elves already have their designs, rosters, and mechanics, which are mostly inspired from 7th and 8th edition, none of them which paint Finubar as particularly active. The likes of Alarielle, Imrik, and Eltharion are in the game first while he still is a background character for a reason.

    Also, Total War Warhammer isn't the same timeline or even the same universe as Old World, because very little is known about what will be in Old World. The High Elves have a few more outposts in Bretonnia, somewhere that has nothing to do with the setting for the third game. This is really just grasping at straws.
    if he is not coming than why are you seem so desperate to say he is not coming. the fact your this desperate means you your self there is decent chance he can come

    ....No? He's not coming in for the same reason Yrelion, Anethra Hellbane, Emmanuelle, Kurt Helborg, or Bohemond aren't. In lore, in the story, they're obviously important, but that doesn't make them good or needed additions to the game with rules, models, and items, because other characters can do what they do, but better, or they're literally not made to be in the game.

    If CA announced High Elf DLC with Finubar as the Legendary Lord, I would think it's a poor idea when better options exist, but it's still more content for one of my favorite races. I just won't play him or his faction.
    And ok let me ask you question what would Aislinn bring that can not be done by tyrion or imrik

    Be a better melee fighter nope , ride a dragon nope,

    Cast magic nope. Be better caster than teclis nope.

    Shoot bow ehm alith anar.



    See its true for Aislinn as well.
    And in this case Finubar has the edge because you could make him a full blown support character. He at least brings that to the table.

    If we go that route.
    We already have a support character -- Alarielle. She's one of the best healers and buffers in the game.

    We already have a general character -- Tyrion. He's still one of the best duelists in the game.

    We already have a diplomatic character -- Teclis. He's got an easier time befriending most other Order factions, on top of being a powerful mage.

    Aislinn is an admiral. He has a unique army tailored to his playstyle for the Storm of Chaos campaign with campaign-specific units, spells, and mechanics.
    Lol are we serious right now wha would said admiral do ?

    and Why can not Finubar can not do that

    aka he can have mechanics related to exploration, administration. he can have unique camapin units no let me rephrase units that can actually be used in all mods , MP , Camapagin and every one esle,
    there is nothing preventing him from also having a unique play style.

    plus most of the remaning units in his so called unqiue list is already kind of play ble bar Merwyrm in elithrions mist walkers . because only other unique unit in that list apart from it was ships company which was a sword and sheild cheap unit.
    Like cut the BS for second there is literally nothing Aissilin can do finubar can not, with the caveat FInubar has more potentiol mecahnics and LH options than Aissilin .

    its just plain fact.
    Finubar is, again, tied up into the Intrigue at Court mechanic, as well as intrigue events. He's already in the game.

    Aislinn is the commander of the High Elf fleet -- by Finubar's appointment. He handled the Storm of Chaos from the sea and regularly intercedes with Norscan's on Finubar's behalf.
    again dude the intrigue in the court mechanic can be fleshed out further and honestly should be reworked to be more interactive , like some of the wh 3 mechanics

    there is literally nothing against why finubar himself can not be leading armies he can , he has and that s the end of the that.

    look just except plain truth Finubar is likely candidate for the last LP for HE, and deal with it
    "Fleshing out" the IaC mechanic by removing Finubar is essentially removing the mechanic altogether; he's literally the main character of the events and the entire mechanic. It should be improved, but politics is Finubar's thing, it's most of his character. By participating in the mechanic, in the game, in the flavour text, you're helping Finubar administrate and handle power plays in his own court.

    Finubar doesn't fight in the Storm of Chaos because he's dealing with the nobility.
    Finubar doesn't fight on Finuval Field because he's dealing with the nobility.
    Finubar doesn't fight in the Great Chaos war because he's dealing with the nobility.

    Whenever trouble appears, he sends either Tyrion, Aislinn, or Teclis to handle it, or Alarielle handles it on her own.
    Not really it just making way more interactive form the prespective of the character thats using it because as of now Intrige at court id boring as all hell and needs to be reworked , if it means ending like the empire offices for better more interactive mechanic than so **** be it.

    he can fight mate why are you arguing so hard , strom of chaos doesn't matter for the game or TT because that was whole sale retconned.
    the fact still remain Finubar can fight ,he can lead armies, has much better campaign and battle field potential. and thats more than enough for character to come and lead dlc because nakai has ld qualities and still became a LL

    doesn't matter if he appeared in any of the other story lines as warrior in the front lines much because old world is gonna be taking much more in depth look at those events in the future any way when it comes to the great war of chaos. and things will be retconned .

    you have yet to say any thing that will disqualify Finubar except for the same old same old you keep saying, just get over it mate He is likely character and with time becoming more and more likely .
    If the writers of the army books and most of the fiction state that Finubar doesn't really lead armies, then he's not going to lead armies in the game. You're arguing against canon and established rules, and no matter how much you type is going to change that.
  • saweendra#3399saweendra#3399 Registered Users Posts: 18,929

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    Finubar on the Tabletop: "Oh I don't lead armies, I leave that to Tyrion. That's why I don't have a model."

    Finubar during the Great War of Chaos: "Oh I need to stay here to stop the Princes fighting, I'll leave that to Teclis."

    Finubar after he just got elected: "Oh I don't stop the Princes from starting a coup, I'll leave that to Alarielle."

    Finubar when a city got torched by pirates: "Oh I don't have to deal with that, Aislinn will already take care of it."


    These forums for some reason: "This guy should totally lead armies."

    Edit: I am not one of those people who thinks Finubar is incompetent. It's just worth pointing out that for most of the series, for most of the lore, Finubar is explicitly not a general or a fighter. Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable characters if Finubar was a different person.

    1. Finubar does lead armies occasionally. We know he fought many battles. Many characters don't have miniatures, but yes, I do hope the Old World will remedy the situation.

    2. Finubar was busy fighting the Dark Elves during the Great Chaos Incursion.

    3. Finubar couldn't stop the rumours himself because he was away.

    4. Finubar needed not to deal with such a small thing personally.

    I see no reason why Tyrion, Teclis and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable if Finubar was a different person. As other races rosters show, there's room for everyone.
    Finubar was an explorer. He once traveled and likely fought plenty. After he became Phoenix King, he stopped traveling and spent most of his time delegating and administrating.

    He only really fights whenever Ulthuan, specifically Lothern, is ever under attack, and even then Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle have made bigger names for themselves over their military exploits than Finubar -- Finuval Field being the most obvious. There's a reason why he lets them take all the fame and power.
    Oh give up , the old world makes Finubars appearance more than likely.
    Like it or not now he has pretty good chance of appearing as the last dlc spot.


    If they want to have him in the newer Old World setting, that's one thing, it's their IP. It's another thing in another game, in another timeline, by another company, that already maps onto established lore before the End Times.

    Asking Finubar to be a LL Is like asking the Grey Council for the Skaven. His place in the story and in the game is to not actually be on the battlefield, because that's the job for about 80% of the other High Elf characters.
    Lol he is gonna come to wh as well.
    Old world makes him even more likely
    If the High Elves were going to be included in this game, sure, but they're not, at least not yet. Kislev is going by Old World as opposed to Oldhammer because that's the design and the faction CA got from GW to present in their reinvention of the setting. The High Elves already have their designs, rosters, and mechanics, which are mostly inspired from 7th and 8th edition, none of them which paint Finubar as particularly active. The likes of Alarielle, Imrik, and Eltharion are in the game first while he still is a background character for a reason.

    Also, Total War Warhammer isn't the same timeline or even the same universe as Old World, because very little is known about what will be in Old World. The High Elves have a few more outposts in Bretonnia, somewhere that has nothing to do with the setting for the third game. This is really just grasping at straws.
    if he is not coming than why are you seem so desperate to say he is not coming. the fact your this desperate means you your self there is decent chance he can come

    ....No? He's not coming in for the same reason Yrelion, Anethra Hellbane, Emmanuelle, Kurt Helborg, or Bohemond aren't. In lore, in the story, they're obviously important, but that doesn't make them good or needed additions to the game with rules, models, and items, because other characters can do what they do, but better, or they're literally not made to be in the game.

    If CA announced High Elf DLC with Finubar as the Legendary Lord, I would think it's a poor idea when better options exist, but it's still more content for one of my favorite races. I just won't play him or his faction.
    And ok let me ask you question what would Aislinn bring that can not be done by tyrion or imrik

    Be a better melee fighter nope , ride a dragon nope,

    Cast magic nope. Be better caster than teclis nope.

    Shoot bow ehm alith anar.



    See its true for Aislinn as well.
    And in this case Finubar has the edge because you could make him a full blown support character. He at least brings that to the table.

    If we go that route.
    We already have a support character -- Alarielle. She's one of the best healers and buffers in the game.

    We already have a general character -- Tyrion. He's still one of the best duelists in the game.

    We already have a diplomatic character -- Teclis. He's got an easier time befriending most other Order factions, on top of being a powerful mage.

    Aislinn is an admiral. He has a unique army tailored to his playstyle for the Storm of Chaos campaign with campaign-specific units, spells, and mechanics.
    Lol are we serious right now wha would said admiral do ?

    and Why can not Finubar can not do that

    aka he can have mechanics related to exploration, administration. he can have unique camapin units no let me rephrase units that can actually be used in all mods , MP , Camapagin and every one esle,
    there is nothing preventing him from also having a unique play style.

    plus most of the remaning units in his so called unqiue list is already kind of play ble bar Merwyrm in elithrions mist walkers . because only other unique unit in that list apart from it was ships company which was a sword and sheild cheap unit.
    Like cut the BS for second there is literally nothing Aissilin can do finubar can not, with the caveat FInubar has more potentiol mecahnics and LH options than Aissilin .

    its just plain fact.
    Finubar is, again, tied up into the Intrigue at Court mechanic, as well as intrigue events. He's already in the game.

    Aislinn is the commander of the High Elf fleet -- by Finubar's appointment. He handled the Storm of Chaos from the sea and regularly intercedes with Norscan's on Finubar's behalf.
    again dude the intrigue in the court mechanic can be fleshed out further and honestly should be reworked to be more interactive , like some of the wh 3 mechanics

    there is literally nothing against why finubar himself can not be leading armies he can , he has and that s the end of the that.

    look just except plain truth Finubar is likely candidate for the last LP for HE, and deal with it
    "Fleshing out" the IaC mechanic by removing Finubar is essentially removing the mechanic altogether; he's literally the main character of the events and the entire mechanic. It should be improved, but politics is Finubar's thing, it's most of his character. By participating in the mechanic, in the game, in the flavour text, you're helping Finubar administrate and handle power plays in his own court.

    Finubar doesn't fight in the Storm of Chaos because he's dealing with the nobility.
    Finubar doesn't fight on Finuval Field because he's dealing with the nobility.
    Finubar doesn't fight in the Great Chaos war because he's dealing with the nobility.

    Whenever trouble appears, he sends either Tyrion, Aislinn, or Teclis to handle it, or Alarielle handles it on her own.
    Not really it just making way more interactive form the prespective of the character thats using it because as of now Intrige at court id boring as all hell and needs to be reworked , if it means ending like the empire offices for better more interactive mechanic than so **** be it.

    he can fight mate why are you arguing so hard , strom of chaos doesn't matter for the game or TT because that was whole sale retconned.
    the fact still remain Finubar can fight ,he can lead armies, has much better campaign and battle field potential. and thats more than enough for character to come and lead dlc because nakai has ld qualities and still became a LL

    doesn't matter if he appeared in any of the other story lines as warrior in the front lines much because old world is gonna be taking much more in depth look at those events in the future any way when it comes to the great war of chaos. and things will be retconned .

    you have yet to say any thing that will disqualify Finubar except for the same old same old you keep saying, just get over it mate He is likely character and with time becoming more and more likely .
    If the writers of the army books and most of the fiction state that Finubar doesn't really lead armies, then he's not going to lead armies in the game. You're arguing against canon and established rules, and no matter how much you type is going to change that.
    Nakai , Snkitch had literal rules that said can not lead armies , they are now. Finubar can lead armies its literally written by the same authors , he doesn't often =/= he can not . again . all your typing doesn't change the fact he is can come as i said earlier if he really isn't a possibilty you wouldn't be here typing all of these same old same old any time his name comes up.


    #givemoreunitsforbrettonia, my bret dlc


  • NemoTheElf101NemoTheElf101 Registered Users Posts: 2,893
    saweendra said:

    saweendra said:

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    Finubar on the Tabletop: "Oh I don't lead armies, I leave that to Tyrion. That's why I don't have a model."

    Finubar during the Great War of Chaos: "Oh I need to stay here to stop the Princes fighting, I'll leave that to Teclis."

    Finubar after he just got elected: "Oh I don't stop the Princes from starting a coup, I'll leave that to Alarielle."

    Finubar when a city got torched by pirates: "Oh I don't have to deal with that, Aislinn will already take care of it."


    These forums for some reason: "This guy should totally lead armies."

    Edit: I am not one of those people who thinks Finubar is incompetent. It's just worth pointing out that for most of the series, for most of the lore, Finubar is explicitly not a general or a fighter. Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable characters if Finubar was a different person.

    1. Finubar does lead armies occasionally. We know he fought many battles. Many characters don't have miniatures, but yes, I do hope the Old World will remedy the situation.

    2. Finubar was busy fighting the Dark Elves during the Great Chaos Incursion.

    3. Finubar couldn't stop the rumours himself because he was away.

    4. Finubar needed not to deal with such a small thing personally.

    I see no reason why Tyrion, Teclis and Alarielle wouldn't be active roles and playable if Finubar was a different person. As other races rosters show, there's room for everyone.
    Finubar was an explorer. He once traveled and likely fought plenty. After he became Phoenix King, he stopped traveling and spent most of his time delegating and administrating.

    He only really fights whenever Ulthuan, specifically Lothern, is ever under attack, and even then Tyrion, Teclis, and Alarielle have made bigger names for themselves over their military exploits than Finubar -- Finuval Field being the most obvious. There's a reason why he lets them take all the fame and power.
    Oh give up , the old world makes Finubars appearance more than likely.
    Like it or not now he has pretty good chance of appearing as the last dlc spot.


    If they want to have him in the newer Old World setting, that's one thing, it's their IP. It's another thing in another game, in another timeline, by another company, that already maps onto established lore before the End Times.

    Asking Finubar to be a LL Is like asking the Grey Council for the Skaven. His place in the story and in the game is to not actually be on the battlefield, because that's the job for about 80% of the other High Elf characters.
    Lol he is gonna come to wh as well.
    Old world makes him even more likely
    If the High Elves were going to be included in this game, sure, but they're not, at least not yet. Kislev is going by Old World as opposed to Oldhammer because that's the design and the faction CA got from GW to present in their reinvention of the setting. The High Elves already have their designs, rosters, and mechanics, which are mostly inspired from 7th and 8th edition, none of them which paint Finubar as particularly active. The likes of Alarielle, Imrik, and Eltharion are in the game first while he still is a background character for a reason.

    Also, Total War Warhammer isn't the same timeline or even the same universe as Old World, because very little is known about what will be in Old World. The High Elves have a few more outposts in Bretonnia, somewhere that has nothing to do with the setting for the third game. This is really just grasping at straws.
    if he is not coming than why are you seem so desperate to say he is not coming. the fact your this desperate means you your self there is decent chance he can come

    ....No? He's not coming in for the same reason Yrelion, Anethra Hellbane, Emmanuelle, Kurt Helborg, or Bohemond aren't. In lore, in the story, they're obviously important, but that doesn't make them good or needed additions to the game with rules, models, and items, because other characters can do what they do, but better, or they're literally not made to be in the game.

    If CA announced High Elf DLC with Finubar as the Legendary Lord, I would think it's a poor idea when better options exist, but it's still more content for one of my favorite races. I just won't play him or his faction.
    And ok let me ask you question what would Aislinn bring that can not be done by tyrion or imrik

    Be a better melee fighter nope , ride a dragon nope,

    Cast magic nope. Be better caster than teclis nope.

    Shoot bow ehm alith anar.



    See its true for Aislinn as well.
    And in this case Finubar has the edge because you could make him a full blown support character. He at least brings that to the table.

    If we go that route.
    We already have a support character -- Alarielle. She's one of the best healers and buffers in the game.

    We already have a general character -- Tyrion. He's still one of the best duelists in the game.

    We already have a diplomatic character -- Teclis. He's got an easier time befriending most other Order factions, on top of being a powerful mage.

    Aislinn is an admiral. He has a unique army tailored to his playstyle for the Storm of Chaos campaign with campaign-specific units, spells, and mechanics.
    Lol are we serious right now wha would said admiral do ?

    and Why can not Finubar can not do that

    aka he can have mechanics related to exploration, administration. he can have unique camapin units no let me rephrase units that can actually be used in all mods , MP , Camapagin and every one esle,
    there is nothing preventing him from also having a unique play style.

    plus most of the remaning units in his so called unqiue list is already kind of play ble bar Merwyrm in elithrions mist walkers . because only other unique unit in that list apart from it was ships company which was a sword and sheild cheap unit.
    Like cut the BS for second there is literally nothing Aissilin can do finubar can not, with the caveat FInubar has more potentiol mecahnics and LH options than Aissilin .

    its just plain fact.
    Finubar is, again, tied up into the Intrigue at Court mechanic, as well as intrigue events. He's already in the game.

    Aislinn is the commander of the High Elf fleet -- by Finubar's appointment. He handled the Storm of Chaos from the sea and regularly intercedes with Norscan's on Finubar's behalf.
    again dude the intrigue in the court mechanic can be fleshed out further and honestly should be reworked to be more interactive , like some of the wh 3 mechanics

    there is literally nothing against why finubar himself can not be leading armies he can , he has and that s the end of the that.

    look just except plain truth Finubar is likely candidate for the last LP for HE, and deal with it
    "Fleshing out" the IaC mechanic by removing Finubar is essentially removing the mechanic altogether; he's literally the main character of the events and the entire mechanic. It should be improved, but politics is Finubar's thing, it's most of his character. By participating in the mechanic, in the game, in the flavour text, you're helping Finubar administrate and handle power plays in his own court.

    Finubar doesn't fight in the Storm of Chaos because he's dealing with the nobility.
    Finubar doesn't fight on Finuval Field because he's dealing with the nobility.
    Finubar doesn't fight in the Great Chaos war because he's dealing with the nobility.

    Whenever trouble appears, he sends either Tyrion, Aislinn, or Teclis to handle it, or Alarielle handles it on her own.
    Not really it just making way more interactive form the prespective of the character thats using it because as of now Intrige at court id boring as all hell and needs to be reworked , if it means ending like the empire offices for better more interactive mechanic than so **** be it.

    he can fight mate why are you arguing so hard , strom of chaos doesn't matter for the game or TT because that was whole sale retconned.
    the fact still remain Finubar can fight ,he can lead armies, has much better campaign and battle field potential. and thats more than enough for character to come and lead dlc because nakai has ld qualities and still became a LL

    doesn't matter if he appeared in any of the other story lines as warrior in the front lines much because old world is gonna be taking much more in depth look at those events in the future any way when it comes to the great war of chaos. and things will be retconned .

    you have yet to say any thing that will disqualify Finubar except for the same old same old you keep saying, just get over it mate He is likely character and with time becoming more and more likely .
    If the writers of the army books and most of the fiction state that Finubar doesn't really lead armies, then he's not going to lead armies in the game. You're arguing against canon and established rules, and no matter how much you type is going to change that.
    Nakai , Snkitch had literal rules that said can not lead armies , they are now. Finubar can lead armies its literally written by the same authors , he doesn't often =/= he can not . again . all your typing doesn't change the fact he is can come as i said earlier if he really isn't a possibilty you wouldn't be here typing all of these same old same old any time his name comes up.

    But they had rules. That's already more than what Finubar ever got until the End Times where he was unceremoniously murder-suicided and raised from the dead.

    Finubar never had rules, and for the majority of the lore for the majority of Warhammer Fantasy's runtime, he wasn't characterized as a warrior or a general. His absence in war is part of the reason why Tyrion and Teclis exist as characters, and later Alarielle. His lack of military presence gives other characters the opportunity.

    How is this justification anymore than when a certain someone pushed for Eldyra to be made into a playable character? People gave plenty of justification as to why she shouldn't. Finubar is no different, if not even less of a candidate since his characterization as a politician is pre-established.
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