New Dwarf Hero idea

D4nz0N1nj4Wr1t3r#6847

I was just thinking of new Dwarf units for the future...and researching the heroes of Warhammer...and then it hit me:
New Dwarf hero, the Dwarfen Brewmaster! Recruited from the brewery building line, these guys go into melee with drunken fury and imbue allies with liquid fortifications, improving offensive and defensive abilities...and maybe bits of fire. In between battles, they can a.) improve population growth in a local province (or be so rowdy as to reduce it in an enemy's area) or b.) help an army recuperate their losses with hearty tankards of dwarven ale. Basically, something akin to an Empire Warrior Priest in functions.
I think it would be an interesting unit to include that could freshen up Dwarf campaign and multiplayer comps, and I think it would encourage building the PO brewery buildings in campaign, if only for casual play.

Also, other stuff I'd like done for Dwarfs:
- a Slayer-option for Thanes, giving antilarge bonuses, given we have ironbreaker/drake, ranger, and hammerer type bonuses.
- alter some of the Rune Magic spells for the Runesmith, Lords, and Thorek, namely Rune of Oath & Steel give physical resistance or something? Just make the spells worth the global cooldowns and not just make them odd figures running around, trying to look useful after sharpening axes and bolts and hardening armor.
- Master Engineers as lords and with normal engineers being the heroes, like in table tops...with the lords having more guns to fire.

Thank you.

Mr_Finley7#4571

I love it. But we need Slayer heroes first, they’re loooong overdue

damon40000#7640

from gameplay perspective thats an exellent choice, slayer without massive antiinfantry abilities or control would add nothing to dawi forces

Mr_Finley7#4571

damon40000 said:

from gameplay perspective thats an exellent choice, slayer without massive antiinfantry abilities or control would add nothing to dawi forces

Are you kidding? Dwarfs have plenty of anti infantry

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damon40000 said:

from gameplay perspective thats an exellent choice, slayer without massive antiinfantry abilities or control would add nothing to dawi forces

I know; I thought I was crazy when I thought of it, but it can fill many points of high demand for the Dawi; growth, replenishment, and something to fill a role short of spellcaster (Runesmith) and pure combatant (Thane). Particularly since Rune Magics have those long timers...

Mr_Finley7 said:

damon40000 said:

from gameplay perspective thats an exellent choice, slayer without massive antiinfantry abilities or control would add nothing to dawi forces

Are you kidding? Dwarfs have plenty of anti infantry

I purely understand your wish for a Slayer hero (it would even be a great way to supplement the new grudge system, when you need a potent hero to join your forces when flooded with grudges), but just as Dwarfs may have lots of "anti-infantry" (irondrakes, grudgethrowers, and flame cannons as well as bombs), they also have lots of anti-large beyond slayers (Cannons, Trollhammer Torpedos, Gyrocopters with Brimstone Guns, Organ Guns)...
Not to mention the majority of slayers don't wear armor, so they'd be even weaker against enemy hordes...

Mr_Finley7#4571

Welp I think a slayer hero would be more appropriate for the immediate future, but a brewmaster would be cool too so I’d be happy either way

D4nz0N1nj4Wr1t3r#6847

Mr_Finley7 said:

Welp I think a slayer hero would be more appropriate for the immediate future, but a brewmaster would be cool too so I’d be happy either way

That's a sentiment I can agree with; both sound good, and if both come, the better for all of us.

Reeks#2417

Shall they wear white&black armor
Be portly as well?

Smells like mists of pandaria to me lol

mecanojavi99#6562

Dragon Slayer first, Brewmaster second is how I would do it.

D4nz0N1nj4Wr1t3r#6847

Reeks said:

Shall they wear white&black armor
Be portly as well?

Smells like mists of pandaria to me lol

I like Pandaren, yes, but I actually came up with the idea by thinking of Bugman and his rangers.

DwarfHoldMiniature

Dragonslayer is possible.

Deamonslayer is inevitable.

GoldfishLord#2862

Additional tradeable resource: dwarf beer +5% factionwide

D4nz0N1nj4Wr1t3r#6847

GoldfishLord said:

Additional tradeable resource: dwarf beer +5% factionwide

Maybe as one of those special yellow skills, but I think public growth is more likely as the passive buff.

#568367

That brewmaster buff better causes Rampage

D4nz0N1nj4Wr1t3r#6847

GreenColoured said:

That brewmaster buff better causes Rampage

I don't see why because "going into a feral, instinct fueled rage" would prioritized over stuff like "Rowdy" and the like. Or why Dwarfs should get such a debuff.

mightygloin#2446

Thanes don't have slayer path probably because you have dedicated slayer heroes coming sometime. A great weapon option however would've been neat..

GreenColoured said:

That brewmaster buff better causes Rampage

Only when it's used on humans and elves because they can't handle a strong dawi alcohol well.

Also the Alecart was flammable and exploding like a bomb if it was killed with a fiery damage source. Could apply the same to him if he lugs a keg around or something.

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mightygloin said:

Thanes don't have slayer path probably because you have dedicated slayer heroes coming sometime. A great weapon option however would've been neat..

GreenColoured said:

That brewmaster buff better causes Rampage

Only when it's used on humans and elves because they can't handle a strong dawi alcohol well.

Also the Alecart was flammable and exploding like a bomb if it was killed with a fiery damage source. Could apply the same to him if he lugs a keg around or something.

Point 1: OK, that makes sense, but why not include it in the rework with Thorek Ironbrow? That does not sit well with me.
Point 2: THERE's an idea; debuff abilities, one to make enemies rampage, another to impair melee defense/attach!

Walkabout#1505

personally I would love a Miner hero which gives buffs to mining related buildings and underway intercept and movement on campaign, and an AP and possible tunnel function on battle maps.

D4nz0N1nj4Wr1t3r#6847

Crajoh said:

personally I would love a Miner hero which gives buffs to mining related buildings and underway intercept and movement on campaign, and an AP and possible tunnel function on battle maps.

I see the sense and theme...but I find it silly; it's like wanting a peasant hero for Bretonnia or a Zombie hero.

OdTengri#8235

Not a Hero mind you but I've been advocating for "Keg Bearers" who give the Bugmans healing buff to near by units.

mightygloin#2446

D4nz0N1nj4Wr1t3r said:

Crajoh said:

personally I would love a Miner hero which gives buffs to mining related buildings and underway intercept and movement on campaign, and an AP and possible tunnel function on battle maps.

I see the sense and theme...but I find it silly; it's like wanting a peasant hero for Bretonnia or a Zombie hero.

Not really though. Miners are not chaff in the lore as they are in this game. One of the main leaders in the War of Vengeance was a such a miner guerrilla boss actually whom a fancy elven lord couldn't beat in duel.



Also another https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Krudd_Mad-Mattock

Wyvax#7456

I'd actually really like a Priestess of Valaya hero option. Either as something like the Warrior Priest of the Empire or like the Runesmiths with an alternative kit of 'magic'. Healing and other support abilities would do wonders for the dawi, and erase a few entries from the book of grudges no doubt.

AWizard_Lizard

And a breath ability for the brew master would make a lot of sense come to think of it.

mightygloin#2446

D4nz0N1nj4Wr1t3r said:

I was just thinking of new Dwarf units for the future...and researching the heroes of Warhammer...and then it hit me:
New Dwarf hero, the Dwarfen Brewmaster!

You better not trigger him tho



https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Bazrak_Bolgan

D4nz0N1nj4Wr1t3r#6847

mightygloin said:

D4nz0N1nj4Wr1t3r said:

Crajoh said:

personally I would love a Miner hero which gives buffs to mining related buildings and underway intercept and movement on campaign, and an AP and possible tunnel function on battle maps.

I see the sense and theme...but I find it silly; it's like wanting a peasant hero for Bretonnia or a Zombie hero.

Not really though. Miners are not chaff in the lore as they are in this game. One of the main leaders in the War of Vengeance was a such a miner guerrilla boss actually whom a fancy elven lord couldn't beat in duel.



Also another https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Krudd_Mad-Mattock

I stand corrected. Wouldn't use Miners save for blasting charges for grenadier role.

D4nz0N1nj4Wr1t3r#6847

Wyvax said:

I'd actually really like a Priestess of Valaya hero option. Either as something like the Warrior Priest of the Empire or like the Runesmiths with an alternative kit of 'magic'. Healing and other support abilities would do wonders for the dawi, and erase a few entries from the book of grudges no doubt.

Sounds like what I listed for the Brewmaster; healing drinks, buffing drinks, debuffing drinks, fiery drinks...
Population boosting, army reinforcing, and the like...
Not to mention "erase a few entries" sounds overkill, especially since only the high king is supposed to have the authority to strike out grudges.

AWizard_Lizard said:

And a breath ability for the brew master would make a lot of sense come to think of it.

Breath and is "I breath fire" or breath-type effect? Not objecting, just curious.

doclumbago#6250

I love the concept.
Just for the sake of imagining the "Whadda you looking add, lad" -voicelines.
And the drunken master fighting animations

Walkabout#1505

It is a bit silly but that’s cool to me. A hero can theoretically be from any background.