Max. 8 LL or 7? No LL for Lizardmen?

#326352

Hey all,

now that everyone watched the nurgle vs slaneesh trailer (Really good, CA could make an Warhammer Film and it would be great. The CA Trailer/Cinematic Team makes an incredible job) i would start a new topic.

We have 2 LL with the Ogre LL's Blog Post yesterday. The current Layout is for 7-8 LL's. So are the Lizardmen finished? No LL more for Lizards or is there possible one left? Will the Empire get 7-8 LL's Lords?



What do you think? Are there max. 7 or 8 LL? Or do you think the limit is possibly higher? Who do you think is getting 7 or 8 LL's? Skaven for sure 7.

Lets Discuss

DrJammat#8325

I don't think CA have planned that far ahead and they'll decide on DLC lords a year or two in advance but not too much further and other races will be ahead of Lizardmen in the queue for new content.

Valkaar#2507

I don't think there is a 'limit'. However, I don't see any old Races getting LP's and FLC over and over again when there are this many Races to Crossover.

Even assuming they Crossover 3 Races a year (an ambitious goal), that's 5 years to Crossover everyone just once.

So, while I don't think there is a hard limit, if you're a fan of any old Races, I wouldn't expect any more 1-2 more characters on top of what they already have. If that. Some Races might not be Crossed over at all.

For the Lizardmen specifically, there are more characters they could add....but I'm far more interested in them getting a mechanical update/overhaul rather than them getting more characters and units. They need polish and depth on existing content more than they need new content imo.

I wouldn't say 'no' to new content. But it's not my preference for a priority of development.

Bayes#3307

They probably have not decided yet as drjammat said, but it would also be really easy to change the ui to make room for more LLs if they need it.

I hope 7 is the limit though because of marginal utility, unless all the other races are up there in numbers too.

Goatforce#6625

CA have changed the UI before, and they may have an option to add a slider for the LL selection.

I don't think this is evidence of a "Hard cap", but that said there is the possibility that LM are "complete" in terms of LPs anyway, but we will see.

#326352

I think they planed a little ahead and 8th is the current max.

But you are completly right nothing is set in stone and could change easily.

I would love to have 7-8 LL's for character heavy factions like empire.

I am a little collector. "Gonna catch them all."

Loreguy#1056

LM will get at least Tetto'eko. I would like to see another legendary Slann but I could live w/o that.

There is no max number of LL per race.

There will be new DLCs as long as game is successful.

With 100+ Lords there will be races with 8+.

#326352

Loreguy said:

LM will get at least Tetto'eko. I would like to see another legendary Slann but I could live w/o that.

There is no max number of LL per race.

There will be new DLCs as long as game is successful.

With 100+ Lords there will be races with 8+.

I would love to get 8+ LL's.

Pr4vda#6038

I hope Titto'eko will come at some point. But the LM are in good shape concerning units and LL's.

mecanojavi99#6562

Titto'eko is really their only LL candidate left, Chakax is a LH, if anything I see the LM not getting a DLC and getting Titto'eko as FLC LL at some point, their roster is already complete and they even have some extra units.

TheWattman#7460

8 lords is basically a requirement to fit all the content left for some races, like if the Vampire Counts are supposed to get a LL for every bloodline, that's 4 more just from that (Ushoran, Neferata, Abhorash and Zacharias) which will put them at 9 due to WH1 stupidity. Empire also needs atleast 4 more to get the basic characters in, but probably more there too.

Lizardmen should have Tetto'eko and one more DLC bringing in Culchans, Arcanadon, Chakax and Skink Bows.

Captain_Rex#1635

There won’t be fixed LL numbers. Some will get more, some less.

Ogres are fine with 4 LLs.

LM should get Tetto’eko as #8.

Monogods would be fine with 5-6.

Captain_Rex#1635

Goatforce said:

CA have changed the UI before, and they may have an option to add a slider for the LL selection.

I don't think this is evidence of a "Hard cap", but that said there is the possibility that LM are "complete" in terms of LPs anyway, but we will see.

I doubt that LM will get another LP but they need a huge rework, which should come together with Tetto’eko as a FLC.

Overlord87

I think they can probably make another DLC for lizardmen, but that's it. Their roster is already very large and there's a limit to the number of units you can fit in without either making clones, or filling every niche and kill the differences between different factions.
If not a DLC, then probably some rework will come later on.

Lazy_captain

LZM are cursed in getting bad dlc mechanics, whats worst is that CA might do it the 4th time. Tho maybe instead getting new units they just rebalance our oldones to make them viable, kroxigors, rippers, coldones, are all heavily underutilized units.

epic_160110304684zvoI1jJ

They can always add a bar to scroll across. I think lizardmen need an update to mechanics down the road, probably towards the end of game 3, so they may aswell add tetto eko or maybe chakax then. I also think it would be a bit of a shame if we didn’t have a lord from every race on the campaign map at the end

busbee247#5862

TheWattman said:

8 lords is basically a requirement to fit all the content left for some races, like if the Vampire Counts are supposed to get a LL for every bloodline, that's 4 more just from that (Ushoran, Neferata, Abhorash and Zacharias) which will put them at 9 due to WH1 stupidity. Empire also needs atleast 4 more to get the basic characters in, but probably more there too.

Lizardmen should have Tetto'eko and one more DLC bringing in Culchans, Arcanadon, Chakax and Skink Bows.

which is why nobody should reasonably expect one LL per bloodline. at best vampires should hope for 2 LL and maybe if lucky a changed start position for ghorst so you dont have 4/5 of the lords starting in the same place

XxXScorpionXxX#2310

I'm predicting max 8

Skaven we know for sure are getting Thanquol. I'd imagine they're also getting Skreetch Virminking as well. That would put them to 8.

For core factions that is. Even then I don't know if Kislev or Cathay will get 8 I doubt monos will either.

I'd say

8 LL
Empire
Greenskins
Dwarfs
Vampire Counts
Skaven
High Elves
Dark Elves
Lizardmen

5 LL
Kislev
Cathay
Khorne
Tzeentch
Slaanesh
Nurgle
Wood Elves
Bretonnia
Tomb Kings
Vampire Coast
Beastmen
Norsca
Warriors of Chaos
Ogre Kingdom
Chaos Dwarfs
Dogs of War

Trenchwar

Like some others have already said there probably is no hard limit but if they try to balance things out 8 is probably the highest "softcap" while 4 is the "lowcap". What I mean by that is that until anyone gets at least 4 LL it's unlikely some will get passed 8.

I also kind of expect wh1 races to have all their crossovers before wh2 races.

I mean, game 2 races already have the lead in terms of number of LL.

Empire needs middenland and nuln pack
Dwarf needs Engineer lord / brewer lord / slayer units and stuff like that
Vampire counts need other bloodlines
Greenskins have a few lords left too

I know we miss some nice Helf unit like the skycutter. For game 2.

Skaven is pretty spot on outside of missing thanquol and verminlord.

Lizardmen misses tettoeko.

Not sure for Delves whats missing.

Assuming I'm right it feels like 2 LL per game 1 races and 1 LL per wh2 races (just considering the core ones).

I believe core races will have priority over campaign packs and pre order bonus (tomb king, wood elves, norska, ogres, beastmen, vampire coast).

If we consider they will also bring the core races of game 3 with more LL. That's a lot of DLCs and development time. I hope they plan to update this for a decade because man, that's a lot of LL.

4 is a likely minimun. 8 is a likely maximum. Average probably at 6. Thats my guestimate

Oddzilla#9930

I'd far rather have a comprehensive lizardmen campaign rework than yet another LL and more roster bloat.

Base lizardmen campaign mechanics are the worst of any game 2 faction, and pathetic compared to game 3 factions. Most of their new units are redundant or useless, most of their LLs are hugely underwhelming. I don't want to see more stuff piled on top, I want them to finish the stuff they already sold me.

But, I know CA would rather do LPs than reworks, because they can't charge money for a rework, so perhaps something like they did with the beastmen would work, a LP alongside a rework.

JToegiTheSnotling#6624

Tetto'eko will have his day

MasterSlayeX

8 probably is not fixed but they also probably will do warhammer 3 or 1 races first I imagine considering the amount of time in the spotlight a good portion of the new races in 2 got over some in 1 (poor norsca and it’s 2 lords roster)

Rob18446

While there is no hard limit to LLs I do think 8 is probably the most the majority of races will get, LM in particular I think are done as they have no units left to add at this point.

GreenColoured#2445

Rob18446 said:

While there is no hard limit to LLs I do think 8 is probably the most the majority of races will get, LM in particular I think are done as they have no units left to add at this point.

Culchan Riders

LM still need their light cav

Labria#2848

Max 8 legendary lords per race make perfect sense. It will be really hard to find unique playstyle and space of map for more than 8 legendary lords per race.

If you think about it, most of legendary lords in the game are really just stronger versions of generic lord/hero. Lord Mazdamundi is better version of Slann Mage-Priest lord etc. I doubt Lizardmen really need another Slann as 9th legendary lord who will be just weaker copy of Lord Mazdamundi or something like this.

Lizardmen can still get Tetto'eko with Chakax(legendary hero for him) as FLC legendary lord in future. He can have huge focus to Skink Priest heroes. Also, I can imagine CA can make something cool about Tetto'eko's ablity to predict the future.

Honestly, 6-8 legendary lords for each race will add more to the game than Lizardmen, Skaven or Empire will 15 legendary lords but 7 of them will be really just copies of existing legendary lord with same playstyle.

I can imagine new Hunter character as legendary lord for Ogre Kingdoms will add more to the game than another named Slann legendary lord.

Vanilla_Gorilla#8529

I doubt CA has any hard limit.

mw51630#6772

There probably isn't a hard max, but looking at the WH3 map we've seen, it's more likely to focus on adding LLs for the Game 1 races, not Game 2. So I wouldn't expect Lizardmen to get any more.

Erathil#3988

There is no hard maximum. They'll add more as they see fit, and some races will end up with more than others.

The UI can include scrolling bars to expand. It wouldn't be the first time.

HisShadowBG#8316

LM has had more than it's fair share of LLs that is for sure

Blaced

Lizardmen need more of mechanics than new units, they already have plenty units but mechanic is meh

BRiiTASH2

Lizardmen will likely get a lordpack at some point. I can see a Lizardmen vs Tzeentch pack being a reality, specifically Tetto'eko vs Egrimm van Horstmann, The Astronomer and the Daemonologist. Having two skilled magical casters fight it out in a thematic duel could be quite interesting.