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Tzeentch massive DLC potential

duglandtoto#9722duglandtoto#9722 Registered Users Posts: 480
edited November 2021 in General Discussion
A thread mirroring the very good thread created by ArneSo on Nurgle, but this time covering Tzeentch. (Because Tzeentch currently needs love more than any other god)
List in no particular order

MiniaAr , Eye_of_Sauron, ArneSo 's contributions

Chaos Lord of Tzeentch:


Sorcerer of Tzeentch


Mutalith Vortex Beast


Chaos Warriors of Tzeentch


Chosen of Tzeentch


Tzaangors:


Changebringers:


Firewyrm


Chimera



• Mutalith Vortex Beast (obvious Tzeentch Monster, like Slaughterbrute is an obvious Khorne pet)



• Firewyrm



• Chimera



• Zealots



• Daemon Prince of Tzeentch



• Lord of Tzeentch



• Magus



• Marauders of Tzeentch




Herald of Tzeentch (Moonhead and Birdhead)



Ogroid Thaumaturge


Tzaangors and Tzaangors on disk


Brimstone Horror of Tzeentch (If Nurglings got their animation, then Brimstone is perfectly doable)


Burning Chariot of Tzeentch


Tzeentch Fatemaster


Tzeentch Knight


Tzeentch Chosen


Tzeentch Warriors


Tzeentch Sorcerers


Kairic Acolytes


Firewyrm of Tzeentch


The Advisor of course



If I forgot somes, I will add them to the list
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  • AxiosXiphos#9040AxiosXiphos#9040 Registered Users Posts: 10,527
    Lots of AoS units there.... There's plenty of things they can do for Tzeentch; but maybe not all the things stated here.
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  • Captain_Rex#1635Captain_Rex#1635 Registered Users Posts: 40,879
    Tzeentch also needs the Firewyrm and the Warpfire Dragon.
    Summon the Elector Counts!
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  • duglandtoto#9722duglandtoto#9722 Registered Users Posts: 480
    edited November 2021
    AxiosXiphos said:

    Lots of AoS units there.... There's plenty of things they can do for Tzeentch; but maybe not all the things stated here.

    Well, despite CA claiming they do not use AoS units... I see a lot of it in the recent trailers or at least strongly, very strongly inspired from AoS. The Legendary lord models, The Slaneesh marauders, the doom knights that are coming from fatemaster, bloodreapers, Flamers etc..

    It is hard not to have AoS similar units since FB takes place just before it.
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  • Biggles#4266Biggles#4266 Registered Users Posts: 3,257
    duglandtoto said:

    AxiosXiphos said:

    Lots of AoS units there.... There's plenty of things they can do for Tzeentch; but maybe not all the things stated here.

    Well, despite CA claiming they do not use AoS units... I see a lot of it in the recent trailers or at least strongly, very strongly inspired from AoS. The Legendary lord models, The Slaneesh marauders, the doom knights that are coming from fatemaster, bloodreapers, Flamers etc..

    It is hard not to have AoS similar units since FB takes place just before it.
    They use the models for Fantasy units if they were updated for AoS but clearly stated no AoS units. So no.
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  • duglandtoto#9722duglandtoto#9722 Registered Users Posts: 480
    edited November 2021
    Mattock said:

    duglandtoto said:

    AxiosXiphos said:

    Lots of AoS units there.... There's plenty of things they can do for Tzeentch; but maybe not all the things stated here.

    Well, despite CA claiming they do not use AoS units... I see a lot of it in the recent trailers or at least strongly, very strongly inspired from AoS. The Legendary lord models, The Slaneesh marauders, the doom knights that are coming from fatemaster, bloodreapers, Flamers etc..

    It is hard not to have AoS similar units since FB takes place just before it.
    Inspired yes, but the LL, doom knights and Slaneesh marauders, bloodreapers and flamers are all FB.

    Tzaangors are also FB, and might be included with their most up to date model, but Kairic Acolytes, Brimstone Horrors and Ogroid Thaumaturge arent coming as they're AoS.
    I see your point but Doom knights don't exist either in FB, yet here they are. So I do not see why Brimstone Horrors wouldn't be coming as well.

    CA stated that this game wouldn't be AoS setting but they didn't say it cannot share similar units with AoS. (This is how I understand it)
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  • MiniaAr#5798MiniaAr#5798 Registered Users Posts: 1,806
    Something more realistic:

    Chaos Lord of Tzeentch:


    Sorcerer of Tzeentch


    Mutalith Vortex Beast


    Chaos Warriors of Tzeentch


    Chosen of Tzeentch


    Tzaangors:


    Changebringers:


    Firewyrm


    Chimera


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  • Eye_of_SauronEye_of_Sauron Registered Users Posts: 390
    Incredble list, my friend. No wonder that DLC Monogods lists are so mainstream, considering the huge amount of contents they have and will get due to TOW.

    I'd also add extremely important stuff:

    • Mutalith Vortex Beast (obvious Tzeentch Monster, like Slaughterbrute is an obvious Khorne pet)




    • Firewyrm




    • Chimera




    • Zealots




    • Daemon Prince of Tzeentch




    • Lord of Tzeentch




    • Magus




    • Marauders of Tzeentch





    #JusticeForTzeentch #TzeentchLivesMatter #JusticeForMonogods


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  • duglandtoto#9722duglandtoto#9722 Registered Users Posts: 480
    Thank you all for your contributions! I will add all your pictures + the credit. CA needs to be aware of what we expect for future DLCs
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  • HighPriest_Astragoth#4150HighPriest_Astragoth#4150 Registered Users Posts: 674
    Firewyrm of Tzeentch from Warhammer: Age of Reckoning, please! I love that little “middle daemon” like you wouldn’t believe.
    Hear the summons of Hashut!
    The Dark Father calls you to slaughter,
    Blood and fire exhorts you to war!
    Hear the summons of Hashut!
    Stretch your limbs of blood-filed steel,
    The Dawi-Zharr march fourth once more!
    Answering the summons of Hashut!

    -From the K'daai rituals of awakening.
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  • Captain_Rex#1635Captain_Rex#1635 Registered Users Posts: 40,879
    You forgot the Mutalith Vortex Beast and the Warpfire Dragon.
    Summon the Elector Counts!
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  • Neodeinos#5871Neodeinos#5871 Registered Users Posts: 16,743
    We already have some of those units and others are AoS which CA explicitly said they won't do AoS content.
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  • MrDragon#2461MrDragon#2461 Registered Users Posts: 3,545
    oliverpmason said:

    duglandtoto said:

    AxiosXiphos said:

    Lots of AoS units there.... There's plenty of things they can do for Tzeentch; but maybe not all the things stated here.

    Well, despite CA claiming they do not use AoS units... I see a lot of it in the recent trailers or at least strongly, very strongly inspired from AoS. The Legendary lord models, The Slaneesh marauders, the doom knights that are coming from fatemaster, bloodreapers, Flamers etc..

    It is hard not to have AoS similar units since FB takes place just before it.
    They use the models for Fantasy units if they were updated for AoS but clearly stated no AoS units. So no.
    While I'm not expecting AoS units, they have yet to rule out AoS units. They have only ruled out that the game is not set, as in setting, during the End Times or Age of Sigmar.
    So as long as it's a creature or unit etc that could logically exist in WHFB... I wouldn't completely rule it out.

    Again though, I'm not expecting any AoS units, but it's not impossible.
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  • General_Hijalti#1213General_Hijalti#1213 Registered Users Posts: 5,970
    1) Moonhead and Birdhead - They are not going to sell a dlc lord which is the same as what we already have but with a different head. Especially when things like daemon princes and champions and sourcerers exist.

    2) Ogroid Thaumaturge - AoS, which CA said they are not adding units from.

    3) Tzaangors - Yes (just not too many)

    4) Brimstone Horror - AoS, also a weaker blue horror is not usefull

    5) Burning Chariot - already in the roster

    6) Fatemaster - yeah

    7) Knights - already in the roster, and unfortunately I don't think they will get a unquie model until we get warriors

    8) Chosen - yeah

    9) warriors - yes

    10) Sourcerers - yes

    11) Acolytes - AoS. We might get Maruaders using their design but it's a big might.

    12) Firewyrm

    13) The advisor is not going to be a unit
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  • Neodeinos#5871Neodeinos#5871 Registered Users Posts: 16,743
    MrDragon said:

    oliverpmason said:

    duglandtoto said:

    AxiosXiphos said:

    Lots of AoS units there.... There's plenty of things they can do for Tzeentch; but maybe not all the things stated here.

    Well, despite CA claiming they do not use AoS units... I see a lot of it in the recent trailers or at least strongly, very strongly inspired from AoS. The Legendary lord models, The Slaneesh marauders, the doom knights that are coming from fatemaster, bloodreapers, Flamers etc..

    It is hard not to have AoS similar units since FB takes place just before it.
    They use the models for Fantasy units if they were updated for AoS but clearly stated no AoS units. So no.
    While I'm not expecting AoS units, they have yet to rule out AoS units. They have only ruled out that the game is not set, as in setting, during the End Times or Age of Sigmar.
    So as long as it's a creature or unit etc that could logically exist in WHFB... I wouldn't completely rule it out.

    Again though, I'm not expecting any AoS units, but it's not impossible.
    If CA ruled out the game being set in AoS then AoS units are also ruled out because Fantasy and AoS are legally different IPs just like 40K is another IP.
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  • MrDragon#2461MrDragon#2461 Registered Users Posts: 3,545
    Neodeinos said:

    MrDragon said:

    oliverpmason said:

    duglandtoto said:

    AxiosXiphos said:

    Lots of AoS units there.... There's plenty of things they can do for Tzeentch; but maybe not all the things stated here.

    Well, despite CA claiming they do not use AoS units... I see a lot of it in the recent trailers or at least strongly, very strongly inspired from AoS. The Legendary lord models, The Slaneesh marauders, the doom knights that are coming from fatemaster, bloodreapers, Flamers etc..

    It is hard not to have AoS similar units since FB takes place just before it.
    They use the models for Fantasy units if they were updated for AoS but clearly stated no AoS units. So no.
    While I'm not expecting AoS units, they have yet to rule out AoS units. They have only ruled out that the game is not set, as in setting, during the End Times or Age of Sigmar.
    So as long as it's a creature or unit etc that could logically exist in WHFB... I wouldn't completely rule it out.

    Again though, I'm not expecting any AoS units, but it's not impossible.
    If CA ruled out the game being set in AoS then AoS units are also ruled out because Fantasy and AoS are legally different IPs just like 40K is another IP.
    Yeah except we have "AoS units" because there is overlap, because some entities, especially daemons, exist in all 3 different Warhammers.
    Not to mention units that logically can exist in WHFB.
    Brimstone Horrors are a perfect example. There is nothing inherently tying them to AoS, they also exist in 40K even. They absolutely could exist in TWWH3 without breaking the "not set in AoS" rule.

    But again, I'm not expecting them, but they are perfectly possible if GW greenlights it because they aren't inherently tied to the Age of Sigmar IP like say Stormcast are.
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  • duglandtoto#9722duglandtoto#9722 Registered Users Posts: 480
    Neodeinos said:

    MrDragon said:

    oliverpmason said:

    duglandtoto said:

    AxiosXiphos said:

    Lots of AoS units there.... There's plenty of things they can do for Tzeentch; but maybe not all the things stated here.

    Well, despite CA claiming they do not use AoS units... I see a lot of it in the recent trailers or at least strongly, very strongly inspired from AoS. The Legendary lord models, The Slaneesh marauders, the doom knights that are coming from fatemaster, bloodreapers, Flamers etc..

    It is hard not to have AoS similar units since FB takes place just before it.
    They use the models for Fantasy units if they were updated for AoS but clearly stated no AoS units. So no.
    While I'm not expecting AoS units, they have yet to rule out AoS units. They have only ruled out that the game is not set, as in setting, during the End Times or Age of Sigmar.
    So as long as it's a creature or unit etc that could logically exist in WHFB... I wouldn't completely rule it out.

    Again though, I'm not expecting any AoS units, but it's not impossible.
    If CA ruled out the game being set in AoS then AoS units are also ruled out because Fantasy and AoS are legally different IPs just like 40K is another IP.
    What you say makes no sense to me.
    Just because a unit is part of AoS doesn't mean it can't be part of FB.
    AoS and FB share many units in common.
    Chaos Warriors of Khorne are common to both so what is in AoS is in FB too and vice versa.
    If AoS can borrow from FB, then FB can perfectly well borrow from AoS.

    And you know why I say that? Because Kislev, Cathay, and many other factions were created from scratch with almost no lore or unit description.
    GW worked on it with CA. And if GW decides to put the same units for AoS, what will CA do? Remove them because they said: this is not AoS game?. No, because AoS and FB share the same world.

    Having AoS units in Warhammer 3 is all but impossible since many units are common to both worlds.

    So Brimstone is a big YES to me.

    GW is perfectly free to update FB, and it's kind of what they are currently doing right now. Someone told you that Brimstone won't be in the Old World update? Who?

    God knows and GW. (and CA)

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  • Neodeinos#5871Neodeinos#5871 Registered Users Posts: 16,743
    MrDragon said:

    Neodeinos said:

    MrDragon said:

    oliverpmason said:

    duglandtoto said:

    AxiosXiphos said:

    Lots of AoS units there.... There's plenty of things they can do for Tzeentch; but maybe not all the things stated here.

    Well, despite CA claiming they do not use AoS units... I see a lot of it in the recent trailers or at least strongly, very strongly inspired from AoS. The Legendary lord models, The Slaneesh marauders, the doom knights that are coming from fatemaster, bloodreapers, Flamers etc..

    It is hard not to have AoS similar units since FB takes place just before it.
    They use the models for Fantasy units if they were updated for AoS but clearly stated no AoS units. So no.
    While I'm not expecting AoS units, they have yet to rule out AoS units. They have only ruled out that the game is not set, as in setting, during the End Times or Age of Sigmar.
    So as long as it's a creature or unit etc that could logically exist in WHFB... I wouldn't completely rule it out.

    Again though, I'm not expecting any AoS units, but it's not impossible.
    If CA ruled out the game being set in AoS then AoS units are also ruled out because Fantasy and AoS are legally different IPs just like 40K is another IP.
    Yeah except we have "AoS units" because there is overlap, because some entities, especially daemons, exist in all 3 different Warhammers.
    Not to mention units that logically can exist in WHFB.
    Brimstone Horrors are a perfect example. There is nothing inherently tying them to AoS, they also exist in 40K even. They absolutely could exist in TWWH3 without breaking the "not set in AoS" rule.

    But again, I'm not expecting them, but they are perfectly possible if GW greenlights it because they aren't inherently tied to the Age of Sigmar IP like say Stormcast are.
    We don't have a single AoS units in TWWH, I don't know what you're talking about.

    Also Daemons are perfectly reasonable for WH because these units are Daemons and here's the thing about Daemons, they are not exclusive to a particular settings, they are identital across all Warhammer IPs.
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  • Biggles#4266Biggles#4266 Registered Users Posts: 3,257
    Mattock said:

    duglandtoto said:

    Mattock said:

    duglandtoto said:

    AxiosXiphos said:

    Lots of AoS units there.... There's plenty of things they can do for Tzeentch; but maybe not all the things stated here.

    Well, despite CA claiming they do not use AoS units... I see a lot of it in the recent trailers or at least strongly, very strongly inspired from AoS. The Legendary lord models, The Slaneesh marauders, the doom knights that are coming from fatemaster, bloodreapers, Flamers etc..

    It is hard not to have AoS similar units since FB takes place just before it.
    Inspired yes, but the LL, doom knights and Slaneesh marauders, bloodreapers and flamers are all FB.

    Tzaangors are also FB, and might be included with their most up to date model, but Kairic Acolytes, Brimstone Horrors and Ogroid Thaumaturge arent coming as they're AoS.
    I see your point but Doom knights don't exist either in FB, yet here they are. So I do not see why Brimstone Horrors wouldn't be coming as well.

    CA stated that this game wouldn't be AoS setting but they didn't say it cannot share similar units with AoS. (This is how I understand it)
    They're not units, but they're in the lore. Knights of Tzeentch that ride discs of tzeentch is a likely occurrence in the FB world, but brimstone horrors are a completely new invention for AoS.
    I can't search for it now but they specifically ruled out AoS units. Endtimes units are in though even though that setting is out.
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  • YitterbumYitterbum Registered Users Posts: 412
    edited November 2021
    Let me help you with that.

    Potential Legendary Lords and Heroes:
    - Kairos Fateweaver
    - Vilitch the Curseling
    - The Changeling
    - Egrimm van Horstmann
    - Aekold Helbrass
    - The Blue Scribes
    - Galrauch the Great Drake

    Lords:
    - Exalted Lord of Change - [In]
    - Herald of Tzeentch - [In]
    - Tzeentch Daemon Prince
    - Sorcerer Lord of Tzeentch

    Heroes:
    - Iridescent Horror - [In]
    - Cultist of Tzeentch - [In]
    - Tzeentch Sorcerer
    - Champion of Tzeentch
    - Pyrocaster

    Mounts:
    - Disc
    - Chaos Steed
    - Burning Chariot
    - Chimera
    - Warpfire Dragon

    Infantry:
    - Blue Horrors - [In]
    - Marauders of Tzeentch
    - Warriors of Tzeentch
    - Tzaangors
    - Forsaken of Tzeentch - [In]
    - Chosen of Tzeentch

    Ranged Infantry:
    - Pink Horrors - [In]
    - Exalted Pink Horrors - [In]
    - Tzaangors (bows)

    Monsters/Beasts:
    - Screamers - [In]
    - Flamers of Tzeentch - [In]
    - Exalted Flamer of Tzeentch - [In]
    - Chaos Spawn of Tzeentch - [In]
    - Cockatrice
    - Firewyrms
    - Tzaanbulls
    - Chimera
    - Mutalith Vortex Beast
    - Warpfire Dragon
    - Chaos Furies - [In]
    - Lord of Change - [In]

    Cavalry:
    - Knights of Tzeentch - [In]
    - Doom Knights (Warriors on discs) - [In]

    Ranged Cavalry:
    - Changebringers (Storm of Chaos - Flamers mounted on discs)

    Chariots:
    - Burning Chariot - [In]

    Artillery/Warmachines:
    - Soul Grinder of Tzeentch - [In]
    - Shrine of Tzeentch
    - Great Winged Terror


    Edit: Forgot about the Warpfire Dragon
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  • MrDragon#2461MrDragon#2461 Registered Users Posts: 3,545
    Neodeinos said:

    MrDragon said:

    Neodeinos said:

    MrDragon said:

    oliverpmason said:

    duglandtoto said:

    AxiosXiphos said:

    Lots of AoS units there.... There's plenty of things they can do for Tzeentch; but maybe not all the things stated here.

    Well, despite CA claiming they do not use AoS units... I see a lot of it in the recent trailers or at least strongly, very strongly inspired from AoS. The Legendary lord models, The Slaneesh marauders, the doom knights that are coming from fatemaster, bloodreapers, Flamers etc..

    It is hard not to have AoS similar units since FB takes place just before it.
    They use the models for Fantasy units if they were updated for AoS but clearly stated no AoS units. So no.
    While I'm not expecting AoS units, they have yet to rule out AoS units. They have only ruled out that the game is not set, as in setting, during the End Times or Age of Sigmar.
    So as long as it's a creature or unit etc that could logically exist in WHFB... I wouldn't completely rule it out.

    Again though, I'm not expecting any AoS units, but it's not impossible.
    If CA ruled out the game being set in AoS then AoS units are also ruled out because Fantasy and AoS are legally different IPs just like 40K is another IP.
    Yeah except we have "AoS units" because there is overlap, because some entities, especially daemons, exist in all 3 different Warhammers.
    Not to mention units that logically can exist in WHFB.
    Brimstone Horrors are a perfect example. There is nothing inherently tying them to AoS, they also exist in 40K even. They absolutely could exist in TWWH3 without breaking the "not set in AoS" rule.

    But again, I'm not expecting them, but they are perfectly possible if GW greenlights it because they aren't inherently tied to the Age of Sigmar IP like say Stormcast are.
    We don't have a single AoS units in TWWH, I don't know what you're talking about.

    Also Daemons are perfectly reasonable for WH because these units are Daemons and here's the thing about Daemons, they are not exclusive to a particular settings, they are identital across all Warhammer IPs.
    Except we do because every single Daemon is all 3.
    A Blue Horror is a Warhammer Fantasy unit, a 40K unit and an AoS unit. It exists in all three.

    Now if we were talking about Stormcast or Idoneth Deepkin or whatever, obviously those are AoS exclusive because they do not exist outside of the AoS setting, they specifically are intrinsically tied to it.

    Brimstone Horrors however are not, because they exist in 40K and probably also exist in the WHFB universe as a logical extension of the Blue and Pink horrors existing there.

    So in that particular case, yes, it's entirely possible because they're just "Warhammer" units in general, just like every other daemon.
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  • Neodeinos#5871Neodeinos#5871 Registered Users Posts: 16,743
    MrDragon said:

    Neodeinos said:

    MrDragon said:

    Neodeinos said:

    MrDragon said:

    oliverpmason said:

    duglandtoto said:

    AxiosXiphos said:

    Lots of AoS units there.... There's plenty of things they can do for Tzeentch; but maybe not all the things stated here.

    Well, despite CA claiming they do not use AoS units... I see a lot of it in the recent trailers or at least strongly, very strongly inspired from AoS. The Legendary lord models, The Slaneesh marauders, the doom knights that are coming from fatemaster, bloodreapers, Flamers etc..

    It is hard not to have AoS similar units since FB takes place just before it.
    They use the models for Fantasy units if they were updated for AoS but clearly stated no AoS units. So no.
    While I'm not expecting AoS units, they have yet to rule out AoS units. They have only ruled out that the game is not set, as in setting, during the End Times or Age of Sigmar.
    So as long as it's a creature or unit etc that could logically exist in WHFB... I wouldn't completely rule it out.

    Again though, I'm not expecting any AoS units, but it's not impossible.
    If CA ruled out the game being set in AoS then AoS units are also ruled out because Fantasy and AoS are legally different IPs just like 40K is another IP.
    Yeah except we have "AoS units" because there is overlap, because some entities, especially daemons, exist in all 3 different Warhammers.
    Not to mention units that logically can exist in WHFB.
    Brimstone Horrors are a perfect example. There is nothing inherently tying them to AoS, they also exist in 40K even. They absolutely could exist in TWWH3 without breaking the "not set in AoS" rule.

    But again, I'm not expecting them, but they are perfectly possible if GW greenlights it because they aren't inherently tied to the Age of Sigmar IP like say Stormcast are.
    We don't have a single AoS units in TWWH, I don't know what you're talking about.

    Also Daemons are perfectly reasonable for WH because these units are Daemons and here's the thing about Daemons, they are not exclusive to a particular settings, they are identital across all Warhammer IPs.
    Except we do because every single Daemon is all 3.
    A Blue Horror is a Warhammer Fantasy unit, a 40K unit and an AoS unit. It exists in all three.

    Now if we were talking about Stormcast or Idoneth Deepkin or whatever, obviously those are AoS exclusive because they do not exist outside of the AoS setting, they specifically are intrinsically tied to it.

    Brimstone Horrors however are not, because they exist in 40K and probably also exist in the WHFB universe as a logical extension of the Blue and Pink horrors existing there.

    So in that particular case, yes, it's entirely possible because they're just "Warhammer" units in general, just like every other daemon.
    Then don't call them AoS units if they are "Warhammer" units.
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  • Maedrethnir#1968Maedrethnir#1968 Registered Users Posts: 18,661
    I salute the optimism, but I think we most likely won't get more Heralds. We are stuck with that cheap and awful eggthing.
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  • SerPus#7395SerPus#7395 Registered Users Posts: 11,029
    duglandtoto said:

    Ogroid Thaumaturge

    And back in AoS you go.
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  • LordSolarMach#5538LordSolarMach#5538 Registered Users Posts: 2,607
    Mattock said:

    They're not units, but they're in the lore. Knights of Tzeentch that ride discs of tzeentch is a likely occurrence in the FB world, but brimstone horrors are a completely new invention for AoS.

    They are kind of in the original Realm of Chaos' Tzeentch list. In that, any "human sized" model could take a Disc for 15 points. (So a Knight of Tzeentch couldn't take one, as technically then you'd have a man riding a horse riding a Disc). But a Warrior of Tzeentch could, effectively being a Doom Knight without getting a unique name.

    //

    Some of the units I have jotted down:
    • Daemon Prince of Tzeentch
    • Tzeentch Sorcerer Lord
    • Tzaangave-Shaman
    • Magister
    • Cultist Brethren (Variants)
    • Mutants
    • Tzaangors (Variants)
    • Tzaangor Discordant (Variants) [made up name - feel free to steal]
    • Tzeentch Warriors (Variants)
    • Thrall Wizard Bands
    • Knights of Tzeentch Chariots
    • Changebringers
    • Firewyrms
    • Mutalith Vortex Beast
    • War Altar of Tzeentch
    • Feral Chimera
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  • MrDragon#2461MrDragon#2461 Registered Users Posts: 3,545
    Neodeinos said:

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    oliverpmason said:

    duglandtoto said:

    AxiosXiphos said:

    Lots of AoS units there.... There's plenty of things they can do for Tzeentch; but maybe not all the things stated here.

    Well, despite CA claiming they do not use AoS units... I see a lot of it in the recent trailers or at least strongly, very strongly inspired from AoS. The Legendary lord models, The Slaneesh marauders, the doom knights that are coming from fatemaster, bloodreapers, Flamers etc..

    It is hard not to have AoS similar units since FB takes place just before it.
    They use the models for Fantasy units if they were updated for AoS but clearly stated no AoS units. So no.
    While I'm not expecting AoS units, they have yet to rule out AoS units. They have only ruled out that the game is not set, as in setting, during the End Times or Age of Sigmar.
    So as long as it's a creature or unit etc that could logically exist in WHFB... I wouldn't completely rule it out.

    Again though, I'm not expecting any AoS units, but it's not impossible.
    If CA ruled out the game being set in AoS then AoS units are also ruled out because Fantasy and AoS are legally different IPs just like 40K is another IP.
    Yeah except we have "AoS units" because there is overlap, because some entities, especially daemons, exist in all 3 different Warhammers.
    Not to mention units that logically can exist in WHFB.
    Brimstone Horrors are a perfect example. There is nothing inherently tying them to AoS, they also exist in 40K even. They absolutely could exist in TWWH3 without breaking the "not set in AoS" rule.

    But again, I'm not expecting them, but they are perfectly possible if GW greenlights it because they aren't inherently tied to the Age of Sigmar IP like say Stormcast are.
    We don't have a single AoS units in TWWH, I don't know what you're talking about.

    Also Daemons are perfectly reasonable for WH because these units are Daemons and here's the thing about Daemons, they are not exclusive to a particular settings, they are identital across all Warhammer IPs.
    Except we do because every single Daemon is all 3.
    A Blue Horror is a Warhammer Fantasy unit, a 40K unit and an AoS unit. It exists in all three.

    Now if we were talking about Stormcast or Idoneth Deepkin or whatever, obviously those are AoS exclusive because they do not exist outside of the AoS setting, they specifically are intrinsically tied to it.

    Brimstone Horrors however are not, because they exist in 40K and probably also exist in the WHFB universe as a logical extension of the Blue and Pink horrors existing there.

    So in that particular case, yes, it's entirely possible because they're just "Warhammer" units in general, just like every other daemon.
    Then don't call them AoS units if they are "Warhammer" units.
    Well basically, the point is the distinction doesn't exist.
    Everything Warhammer is a Warhammer unit until but some things specifically are tied to their settings by definition.
    A Space Marine Terminator can't leave that universe because it's tied to the Empire of Man etc etc, the specific IP is hard-coded into it's very being so to speak.
    Same goes for the Ogroid Thaumathurge the OP listed, because Ogroids are a specific species that shows up in the AoS timeline and pledges itself to the dark powers after fleeing from invading Ogres or being exiled from them or something.
    So that one cannot appear in WHFB without some kind of retcon.

    Brimstone Horrors however are not tied to AoS' timeline or characters in any way shape or form, they're just a lesser form of the Horrors we are already familiar with.

    Same logic applies to the AoS style Tzaangors, which are just a new sculpt of a unit we know for a fact exists in WHFB.


    Though now I've touched on the Ogroids, even those are.... technically possible... I suppose... but would require retcons and if we open that can of worms you could literally make the same argument for space marines so lets not go that far.
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  • duglandtoto#9722duglandtoto#9722 Registered Users Posts: 480
    It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.

    So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3
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  • Biggles#4266Biggles#4266 Registered Users Posts: 3,257
    duglandtoto said:

    It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.

    So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3

    Can you see an AoS unit that wasn't in Fantasy? No you can't.

    They use the AoS models as they still sell those so people can buy them. Also they more upto date.
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