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  • YurisusukiYurisusuki Somewhere in LustriaRegistered Users Posts: 1,106

    It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.

    So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3

    Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game



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  • MrDragonMrDragon Registered Users Posts: 3,373

    It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.

    So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3

    Objectively false but understandable, as @Serpus and me just litigated in some detail.
    Overlap =/= 'Yes to AoS units', It's just Overlap. Some units and elements overlap already in TT or Lore or logically could, that is all.
  • PocmanPocman Registered Users Posts: 5,601

    A thread mirroring the very good thread created by ArneSo on Nurgle, but this time covering Tzeentch. (Because Tzeentch currently needs love more than any other god)
    List in no particular order

    Herald of Tzeentch (Moonhead and Birdhead)



    Ogroid Thaumaturge


    Tzaangors and Tzaangors on disk


    Brimstone Horror of Tzeentch (If Nurglings got their animation, then Brimstone is perfectly doable)


    Burning Chariot of Tzeentch


    Tzeentch Fatemaster


    Tzeentch Knight


    Tzeentch Chosen


    Tzeentch Warriors


    Tzeentch Sorcerers


    Kairic Acolytes


    Firewyrm of Tzeentch


    The Advisor of course



    If I forgot somes, I will add them to the list

    So.... Tzeentch has zero DLC potential?

    Your DLC units are either variations of those we already have, and that as such we won't get (moonhead, knights of Tzeentch), AoS units that CA already has confirmed aren't coming, and basic warriors and chosen.
  • NeodeinosNeodeinos Registered Users Posts: 14,474
    edited November 2021

    It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.

    So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3

    What you see are updated models for the Daemons not AoS models. Those models are as much 40K, AoS or Fantasy, they are not exclusive to one setting in particular.

  • duglandtotoduglandtoto Registered Users Posts: 443
    Neodeinos said:

    It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.

    So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3

    What you see are updated models for the Daemons not AoS models. Those models are as much 40K, AoS or Fantasy, they are not exclusive to one setting in particular.
    Yes so? How about The Old World update brings some Brimstone? It works both way dude.
  • NeodeinosNeodeinos Registered Users Posts: 14,474

    Neodeinos said:

    It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.

    So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3

    What you see are updated models for the Daemons not AoS models. Those models are as much 40K, AoS or Fantasy, they are not exclusive to one setting in particular.
    Yes so? How about The Old World update brings some Brimstone? It works both way dude.
    I'm just saying that calling them AoS models is simply wrong.

  • MrDragonMrDragon Registered Users Posts: 3,373
    Pocman said:

    A thread mirroring the very good thread created by ArneSo on Nurgle, but this time covering Tzeentch. (Because Tzeentch currently needs love more than any other god)

    So.... Tzeentch has zero DLC potential?

    Your DLC units are either variations of those we already have, and that as such we won't get (moonhead, knights of Tzeentch), AoS units that CA already has confirmed aren't coming, and basic warriors and chosen.
    I mean Tzeentch could get a pack with Tzaangors which come in melee, ranged, disc-riding ranged, disc-riding melee and shaman flavours.
    Firewyrms
    Mutalith Vortex Beast
    Various marked mortals
    Other beasts of chaos with the Mark of Tzeentch
    etc, there is enough for 1 DLC without even overlapping much with existing rosters, 2 or 3 if you do start overlapping.

    Just I personally do not agree much with the OP's list.
  • LordSolarMachLordSolarMach Registered Users Posts: 2,036
    Neodeinos said:

    I'm just saying that calling them AoS models is simply wrong.

    I think it's fair to call them AoS models (especially when they were released for an AoS Battletome). They're not AoS concepts, but they are AoS models.

    (And while the argument is made that they're used in WH40k as well, would you object to me calling the old KoS a WHFB model? That was used for 40k too. Or me calling Hrothgorn Mantrapper an Underworlds model, despite him having AoS rules?)
  • NeodeinosNeodeinos Registered Users Posts: 14,474

    Neodeinos said:

    I'm just saying that calling them AoS models is simply wrong.

    I think it's fair to call them AoS models (especially when they were released for an AoS Battletome). They're not AoS concepts, but they are AoS models.

    (And while the argument is made that they're used in WH40k as well, would you object to me calling the old KoS a WHFB model? That was used for 40k too. Or me calling Hrothgorn Mantrapper an Underworlds model, despite him having AoS rules?)
    The thing is if you just keep saying that we're having AoS models then the people that aren't hardcore fans of the settings are going to think we can expect units that are exclusive to AoS.

    OP already made that mistake with stuff like the Kairic Acolytes.

  • LordSolarMachLordSolarMach Registered Users Posts: 2,036
    Neodeinos said:

    The thing is if you just keep saying that we're having AoS models then the people that aren't hardcore fans of the settings are going to think we can expect units that are exclusive to AoS.

    OP already made that mistake with stuff like the Kairic Acolytes.

    That's true.

    The opposite might also happen, though: if you say we're not getting AoS models, when to a casual observer the models released during AoS would be termed AoS models, it seems like... you're wrong. And then that invites them to speculate about other AoS models which are strictly AoS units that don't fit in conceptually with WHFB.

    I just try to be careful in my own language (saying that we won't get AoS units or concepts, rather than models, etc), and gently correct people who are mixed up. I don't know that demanding people not call the AoS KoS an AoS KoS works.
  • MrDragonMrDragon Registered Users Posts: 3,373

    It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.

    So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3

    Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game



    https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-iii-faq/
    Ugh, I hate having to play both sides of an argument because I believe the answer lies in the middle.
    The above FAQ statement says nothing about actual units, only the setting.
    This means Stormcast are a hard no, because they cannot exist outside of the AoS timeline as they literally are the kickoff to the setting.
    Brimstone Horrors or Tzaangor Skyfires however are totally viable because they are setting agnostic.

    Does that make sense?
    CA hasn't ruled designs based on miniatures from post-AoS miniature development, just anything explicitly AoS as far as setting goes.

    TLDR
    Stormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no.
    Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced after AoS but not explicitly tied to AoS so maybe.
    Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so probably.
  • ElkantroElkantro Registered Users Posts: 34
    Yitterbum said:

    Let me help you with that.

    Potential Legendary Lords and Heroes:
    - Kairos Fateweaver
    - Vilitch the Curseling
    - The Changeling
    - Egrimm van Horstmann
    - Aekold Helbrass
    - The Blue Scribes
    - Galrauch the Great Drake

    Lords:
    - Exalted Lord of Change - [In]
    - Herald of Tzeentch - [In]
    - Tzeentch Daemon Prince
    - Sorcerer Lord of Tzeentch

    Heroes:
    - Iridescent Horror - [In]
    - Cultist of Tzeentch - [In]
    - Tzeentch Sorcerer
    - Champion of Tzeentch
    - Pyrocaster

    Mounts:
    - Disc
    - Chaos Steed
    - Burning Chariot
    - Chimera
    - Warpfire Dragon

    Infantry:
    - Blue Horrors - [In]
    - Marauders of Tzeentch
    - Warriors of Tzeentch
    - Tzaangors
    - Forsaken of Tzeentch - [In]
    - Chosen of Tzeentch

    Ranged Infantry:
    - Pink Horrors - [In]
    - Exalted Pink Horrors - [In]
    - Tzaangors (bows)

    Monsters/Beasts:
    - Screamers - [In]
    - Flamers of Tzeentch - [In]
    - Exalted Flamer of Tzeentch - [In]
    - Chaos Spawn of Tzeentch - [In]
    - Cockatrice
    - Firewyrms
    - Tzaanbulls
    - Chimera
    - Mutalith Vortex Beast
    - Warpfire Dragon
    - Chaos Furies - [In]
    - Lord of Change - [In]

    Cavalry:
    - Knights of Tzeentch - [In]
    - Doom Knights (Warriors on discs) - [In]

    Ranged Cavalry:
    - Changebringers (Storm of Chaos - Flamers mounted on discs)

    Chariots:
    - Burning Chariot - [In]

    Artillery/Warmachines:
    - Soul Grinder of Tzeentch - [In]
    - Shrine of Tzeentch
    - Great Winged Terror


    Edit: Forgot about the Warpfire Dragon

    i can drop the Cockatrice(this unit is more of a piece on last beastman dlc) and tzaanbulls (they fit more on khorne by playstyle), then i put tzaangors with bows on disc and the watchers of tzeentch, monstrous of the arcanum that is kinda like an floating eye that shoots lassers, and with the great winged terror and shrine i can put both on the mount options.
  • oliverpmasonoliverpmason Registered Users Posts: 2,599
    edited November 2021
    MrDragon said:

    It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.

    So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3

    Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game



    https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-iii-faq/
    Ugh, I hate having to play both sides of an argument because I believe the answer lies in the middle.
    The above FAQ statement says nothing about actual units, only the setting.
    This means Stormcast are a hard no, because they cannot exist outside of the AoS timeline as they literally are the kickoff to the setting.
    Brimstone Horrors or Tzaangor Skyfires however are totally viable because they are setting agnostic.

    Does that make sense?
    CA hasn't ruled designs based on miniatures from post-AoS miniature development, just anything explicitly AoS as far as setting goes.

    TLDR
    Stormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no.
    Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced after AoS but not explicitly tied to AoS so maybe.
    Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so probably.
    I'm assuming:

    Stormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no.
    Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced for AoS so it's a no.
    Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so certainly.

    The only change is the Brimstone Horror is a no because otherwise where do you draw the line?

    I know sweet fanny adams about AoS but I assume it will come to Total War as a game in 5 or so years and some new Chaos models would probably be held back for that.

    That's my interpretation of what they said anyway.

    Mind you there's some lovely AoS units and models about so I'm happy if some to come BUT some like I've seen from Elves are just awful. Simply awful 😖.
  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 35,510

    It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.

    So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3

    Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game



    https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-iii-faq/
    It's extremely unlikely CA is going out of their way to say this only to backdoor AoS in.

    I get wanting AoS but this is as clear cut as it gets. Araby has a better chance.
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  • PocmanPocman Registered Users Posts: 5,601
    MrDragon said:

    It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.

    So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3

    Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game



    https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-iii-faq/
    Ugh, I hate having to play both sides of an argument because I believe the answer lies in the middle.
    The above FAQ statement says nothing about actual units, only the setting.
    This means Stormcast are a hard no, because they cannot exist outside of the AoS timeline as they literally are the kickoff to the setting.
    Brimstone Horrors or Tzaangor Skyfires however are totally viable because they are setting agnostic.

    Does that make sense?
    CA hasn't ruled designs based on miniatures from post-AoS miniature development, just anything explicitly AoS as far as setting goes.

    TLDR
    Stormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no.
    Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced after AoS but not explicitly tied to AoS so maybe.
    Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so probably.
    No, it actually speaks about units: the question clearly mentions AOS stuff, and the answer is "NO".
  • BiesBies Junior Member SwedenRegistered Users Posts: 5,206
    AoS Tzaangor models are 100% DLC

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  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 35,510
    All the potential in the world doesn't pay the bills, unless you're an Electric Vehicle company.

    The pragmatic mathematic reality is that Tzeientch is extremely unlikely to get to 3 Lord Packs, and even 2 is questionable. The idea that Big Blue starts as a minor core with 1 LL and a small roster then gets the same number of LPs as Kislev or Cathay doesn't work.

    Given that CA has demonstrated content is not a factor every race could get unlimited DLC. The limiting factor is business incentive.
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  • MrDragonMrDragon Registered Users Posts: 3,373
    Pocman said:

    MrDragon said:

    It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.

    So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3

    Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game



    https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-iii-faq/
    Ugh, I hate having to play both sides of an argument because I believe the answer lies in the middle.
    The above FAQ statement says nothing about actual units, only the setting.
    This means Stormcast are a hard no, because they cannot exist outside of the AoS timeline as they literally are the kickoff to the setting.
    Brimstone Horrors or Tzaangor Skyfires however are totally viable because they are setting agnostic.

    Does that make sense?
    CA hasn't ruled designs based on miniatures from post-AoS miniature development, just anything explicitly AoS as far as setting goes.

    TLDR
    Stormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no.
    Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced after AoS but not explicitly tied to AoS so maybe.
    Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so probably.
    No, it actually speaks about units: the question clearly mentions AOS stuff, and the answer is "NO".
    But Brimstone Horrors aren't AoS stuff, they are just as much 40K stuff, same as any daemon. There is nothing tying them to AoS.
    I cannot understand how I have to make this simpler.

    The "is it an AoS unit" test is pretty simple: "Can this unit only exist in AoS?"
    If yes, then we will not see it in TWWH, ever. I.E. A Stormcast Eternal, Ossiarch Bonereapers etc etc.
    Put a Brimstone Horror through that test and the answer is: "No, because it also exists in other settings and has no specific relation to AoS."

    Easy, yes?
  • oliverpmasonoliverpmason Registered Users Posts: 2,599
    MrDragon said:

    Pocman said:

    MrDragon said:

    It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.

    So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3

    Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game



    https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-iii-faq/
    Ugh, I hate having to play both sides of an argument because I believe the answer lies in the middle.
    The above FAQ statement says nothing about actual units, only the setting.
    This means Stormcast are a hard no, because they cannot exist outside of the AoS timeline as they literally are the kickoff to the setting.
    Brimstone Horrors or Tzaangor Skyfires however are totally viable because they are setting agnostic.

    Does that make sense?
    CA hasn't ruled designs based on miniatures from post-AoS miniature development, just anything explicitly AoS as far as setting goes.

    TLDR
    Stormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no.
    Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced after AoS but not explicitly tied to AoS so maybe.
    Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so probably.
    No, it actually speaks about units: the question clearly mentions AOS stuff, and the answer is "NO".
    But Brimstone Horrors aren't AoS stuff, they are just as much 40K stuff, same as any daemon. There is nothing tying them to AoS.
    I cannot understand how I have to make this simpler.

    The "is it an AoS unit" test is pretty simple: "Can this unit only exist in AoS?"
    If yes, then we will not see it in TWWH, ever. I.E. A Stormcast Eternal, Ossiarch Bonereapers etc etc.
    Put a Brimstone Horror through that test and the answer is: "No, because it also exists in other settings and has no specific relation to AoS."

    Easy, yes?
    So we are getting Space Marines? Cool.

    There's a reason they didn't bother saying no 40k.
  • PocmanPocman Registered Users Posts: 5,601
    MrDragon said:

    Pocman said:

    MrDragon said:

    It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.

    So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3

    Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game



    https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-iii-faq/
    Ugh, I hate having to play both sides of an argument because I believe the answer lies in the middle.
    The above FAQ statement says nothing about actual units, only the setting.
    This means Stormcast are a hard no, because they cannot exist outside of the AoS timeline as they literally are the kickoff to the setting.
    Brimstone Horrors or Tzaangor Skyfires however are totally viable because they are setting agnostic.

    Does that make sense?
    CA hasn't ruled designs based on miniatures from post-AoS miniature development, just anything explicitly AoS as far as setting goes.

    TLDR
    Stormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no.
    Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced after AoS but not explicitly tied to AoS so maybe.
    Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so probably.
    No, it actually speaks about units: the question clearly mentions AOS stuff, and the answer is "NO".
    But Brimstone Horrors aren't AoS stuff, they are just as much 40K stuff, same as any daemon. There is nothing tying them to AoS.
    I cannot understand how I have to make this simpler.

    The "is it an AoS unit" test is pretty simple: "Can this unit only exist in AoS?"
    If yes, then we will not see it in TWWH, ever. I.E. A Stormcast Eternal, Ossiarch Bonereapers etc etc.
    Put a Brimstone Horror through that test and the answer is: "No, because it also exists in other settings and has no specific relation to AoS."

    Easy, yes?
    I was just saying that the FAQ does mention AOS units.


    I agree that brimstone horrors could come. I don't see the point to more horrors, but they are possible.
  • MrDragonMrDragon Registered Users Posts: 3,373

    MrDragon said:

    Pocman said:

    MrDragon said:

    It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.

    So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3

    Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game



    https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-iii-faq/
    Ugh, I hate having to play both sides of an argument because I believe the answer lies in the middle.
    The above FAQ statement says nothing about actual units, only the setting.
    This means Stormcast are a hard no, because they cannot exist outside of the AoS timeline as they literally are the kickoff to the setting.
    Brimstone Horrors or Tzaangor Skyfires however are totally viable because they are setting agnostic.

    Does that make sense?
    CA hasn't ruled designs based on miniatures from post-AoS miniature development, just anything explicitly AoS as far as setting goes.

    TLDR
    Stormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no.
    Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced after AoS but not explicitly tied to AoS so maybe.
    Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so probably.
    No, it actually speaks about units: the question clearly mentions AOS stuff, and the answer is "NO".
    But Brimstone Horrors aren't AoS stuff, they are just as much 40K stuff, same as any daemon. There is nothing tying them to AoS.
    I cannot understand how I have to make this simpler.

    The "is it an AoS unit" test is pretty simple: "Can this unit only exist in AoS?"
    If yes, then we will not see it in TWWH, ever. I.E. A Stormcast Eternal, Ossiarch Bonereapers etc etc.
    Put a Brimstone Horror through that test and the answer is: "No, because it also exists in other settings and has no specific relation to AoS."

    Easy, yes?
    So we are getting Space Marines? Cool.

    There's a reason they didn't bother saying no 40k.
    Brimstone Horrors aren't 40K specific either, I don't even get why you'd go there... there is no logical reason to make that equivalency other than to get a rise out of me, in which case... mission successful I guess?
  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 35,510

    MrDragon said:

    Pocman said:

    MrDragon said:

    It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.

    So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3

    Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game



    https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-iii-faq/
    Ugh, I hate having to play both sides of an argument because I believe the answer lies in the middle.
    The above FAQ statement says nothing about actual units, only the setting.
    This means Stormcast are a hard no, because they cannot exist outside of the AoS timeline as they literally are the kickoff to the setting.
    Brimstone Horrors or Tzaangor Skyfires however are totally viable because they are setting agnostic.

    Does that make sense?
    CA hasn't ruled designs based on miniatures from post-AoS miniature development, just anything explicitly AoS as far as setting goes.

    TLDR
    Stormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no.
    Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced after AoS but not explicitly tied to AoS so maybe.
    Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so probably.
    No, it actually speaks about units: the question clearly mentions AOS stuff, and the answer is "NO".
    But Brimstone Horrors aren't AoS stuff, they are just as much 40K stuff, same as any daemon. There is nothing tying them to AoS.
    I cannot understand how I have to make this simpler.

    The "is it an AoS unit" test is pretty simple: "Can this unit only exist in AoS?"
    If yes, then we will not see it in TWWH, ever. I.E. A Stormcast Eternal, Ossiarch Bonereapers etc etc.
    Put a Brimstone Horror through that test and the answer is: "No, because it also exists in other settings and has no specific relation to AoS."

    Easy, yes?
    So we are getting Space Marines? Cool.

    There's a reason they didn't bother saying no 40k.
    No. We're getting Sisters of Battle.
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  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 35,510
    MrDragon said:

    Pocman said:

    MrDragon said:

    It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.

    So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3

    Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game



    https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-iii-faq/
    Ugh, I hate having to play both sides of an argument because I believe the answer lies in the middle.
    The above FAQ statement says nothing about actual units, only the setting.
    This means Stormcast are a hard no, because they cannot exist outside of the AoS timeline as they literally are the kickoff to the setting.
    Brimstone Horrors or Tzaangor Skyfires however are totally viable because they are setting agnostic.

    Does that make sense?
    CA hasn't ruled designs based on miniatures from post-AoS miniature development, just anything explicitly AoS as far as setting goes.

    TLDR
    Stormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no.
    Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced after AoS but not explicitly tied to AoS so maybe.
    Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so probably.
    No, it actually speaks about units: the question clearly mentions AOS stuff, and the answer is "NO".
    But Brimstone Horrors aren't AoS stuff, they are just as much 40K stuff, same as any daemon. There is nothing tying them to AoS.
    I cannot understand how I have to make this simpler.

    The "is it an AoS unit" test is pretty simple: "Can this unit only exist in AoS?"
    If yes, then we will not see it in TWWH, ever. I.E. A Stormcast Eternal, Ossiarch Bonereapers etc etc.
    Put a Brimstone Horror through that test and the answer is: "No, because it also exists in other settings and has no specific relation to AoS."

    Easy, yes?
    I disagree to some degree.

    I don't know what Brimstone Horrors are but a great deal of AoS could also exist in Fantasy. It would render that statement largely meaningless. I think CA means what they say; No AoS.

    Apparently the OP includes Kairics. Those could technically have existed in WHFB. I'd be shocked if we saw them in TWW.
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  • DjauDjau Registered Users Posts: 10,369
    edited November 2021
    We won't get more Horrors. We already have a lot and they skipped over Exalted Blue Horrors.

    Lord Pack 1 will likely add Mutalith Vortex Beast and Marked Mortals
    Lord Pack 2 will likely add Firewyrm and Marked Beastmen
    Lord Pack 3 will likely add bits and pieces that are missing, like Changebringers and any holes the roster is missing.

  • oliverpmasonoliverpmason Registered Users Posts: 2,599
    MrDragon said:

    MrDragon said:

    Pocman said:

    MrDragon said:

    It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.

    So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3

    Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game



    https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-iii-faq/
    Ugh, I hate having to play both sides of an argument because I believe the answer lies in the middle.
    The above FAQ statement says nothing about actual units, only the setting.
    This means Stormcast are a hard no, because they cannot exist outside of the AoS timeline as they literally are the kickoff to the setting.
    Brimstone Horrors or Tzaangor Skyfires however are totally viable because they are setting agnostic.

    Does that make sense?
    CA hasn't ruled designs based on miniatures from post-AoS miniature development, just anything explicitly AoS as far as setting goes.

    TLDR
    Stormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no.
    Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced after AoS but not explicitly tied to AoS so maybe.
    Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so probably.
    No, it actually speaks about units: the question clearly mentions AOS stuff, and the answer is "NO".
    But Brimstone Horrors aren't AoS stuff, they are just as much 40K stuff, same as any daemon. There is nothing tying them to AoS.
    I cannot understand how I have to make this simpler.

    The "is it an AoS unit" test is pretty simple: "Can this unit only exist in AoS?"
    If yes, then we will not see it in TWWH, ever. I.E. A Stormcast Eternal, Ossiarch Bonereapers etc etc.
    Put a Brimstone Horror through that test and the answer is: "No, because it also exists in other settings and has no specific relation to AoS."

    Easy, yes?
    So we are getting Space Marines? Cool.

    There's a reason they didn't bother saying no 40k.
    Brimstone Horrors aren't 40K specific either, I don't even get why you'd go there... there is no logical reason to make that equivalency other than to get a rise out of me, in which case... mission successful I guess?
    Firstly who doesn't enjoy getting a rise out of someone else on the Internet?

    But seriously:

    They say they are taking units from 8th edition and older fantasy ones.

    They say no units from AoS.

    They do not mention 40k because they don't have to. It's a different universe. You really have to stretch to say they will include something because 40k and AoS have it.

    They say they are taking units from 8th edition and older fantasy ones. Nowhere else.
  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 35,510
    Djau said:

    We won't get more Horrors. We already have a lot and they skipped over Exalted Blue Horrors.

    Lord Pack 1 will likely add Mutalith Vortex Beast and Marked Mortals
    Lord Pack 2 will likely add Firewyrm and Marked Beastmen
    Lord Pack 3 will likely add bits and pieces that are missing, like Changebringers and any holes the roster is missing.

    3 LPs are highly unlikely. 2 is questionable.
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  • DjauDjau Registered Users Posts: 10,369
    Some might be coming from Old World.

    So far; 8th Edition, Older Editions, End Times and Old World are the sources they are using.

  • MrDragonMrDragon Registered Users Posts: 3,373

    MrDragon said:

    Pocman said:

    MrDragon said:

    It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.

    So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3

    Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game



    https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-iii-faq/
    Ugh, I hate having to play both sides of an argument because I believe the answer lies in the middle.
    The above FAQ statement says nothing about actual units, only the setting.
    This means Stormcast are a hard no, because they cannot exist outside of the AoS timeline as they literally are the kickoff to the setting.
    Brimstone Horrors or Tzaangor Skyfires however are totally viable because they are setting agnostic.

    Does that make sense?
    CA hasn't ruled designs based on miniatures from post-AoS miniature development, just anything explicitly AoS as far as setting goes.

    TLDR
    Stormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no.
    Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced after AoS but not explicitly tied to AoS so maybe.
    Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so probably.
    No, it actually speaks about units: the question clearly mentions AOS stuff, and the answer is "NO".
    But Brimstone Horrors aren't AoS stuff, they are just as much 40K stuff, same as any daemon. There is nothing tying them to AoS.
    I cannot understand how I have to make this simpler.

    The "is it an AoS unit" test is pretty simple: "Can this unit only exist in AoS?"
    If yes, then we will not see it in TWWH, ever. I.E. A Stormcast Eternal, Ossiarch Bonereapers etc etc.
    Put a Brimstone Horror through that test and the answer is: "No, because it also exists in other settings and has no specific relation to AoS."

    Easy, yes?
    I disagree to some degree.

    I don't know what Brimstone Horrors are but a great deal of AoS could also exist in Fantasy. It would render that statement largely meaningless. I think CA means what they say; No AoS.

    Apparently the OP includes Kairics. Those could technically have existed in WHFB. I'd be shocked if we saw them in TWW.
    Kairics are unique to AoS though, while Brimstone Horrors are just an even smaller daemon of Tzeentch. Basically after AoS 2nd and 40K 8th edition, Blue Horrors could split down further just like Pinks did. Pink becomes 2 blues and 2 blues become 4 brimstones.

    Brimstone Horrors are daemons, just like any other Horror and as daemons are completely setting agnostic.
    Kairics are a specific style of Tzeentchian cultist that exist in the Mortal Realms. They could exist in WHFB but they'd need some kind of retconning or origin story, unlike Brimstones which could have literally always been there with no explanation needed.
  • DjauDjau Registered Users Posts: 10,369

    Djau said:

    We won't get more Horrors. We already have a lot and they skipped over Exalted Blue Horrors.

    Lord Pack 1 will likely add Mutalith Vortex Beast and Marked Mortals
    Lord Pack 2 will likely add Firewyrm and Marked Beastmen
    Lord Pack 3 will likely add bits and pieces that are missing, like Changebringers and any holes the roster is missing.

    3 LPs are highly unlikely. 2 is questionable.
    Maybe try being correct?

  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 35,510
    MrDragon said:

    MrDragon said:

    Pocman said:

    MrDragon said:

    It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.

    So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3

    Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game



    https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-iii-faq/
    Ugh, I hate having to play both sides of an argument because I believe the answer lies in the middle.
    The above FAQ statement says nothing about actual units, only the setting.
    This means Stormcast are a hard no, because they cannot exist outside of the AoS timeline as they literally are the kickoff to the setting.
    Brimstone Horrors or Tzaangor Skyfires however are totally viable because they are setting agnostic.

    Does that make sense?
    CA hasn't ruled designs based on miniatures from post-AoS miniature development, just anything explicitly AoS as far as setting goes.

    TLDR
    Stormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no.
    Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced after AoS but not explicitly tied to AoS so maybe.
    Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so probably.
    No, it actually speaks about units: the question clearly mentions AOS stuff, and the answer is "NO".
    But Brimstone Horrors aren't AoS stuff, they are just as much 40K stuff, same as any daemon. There is nothing tying them to AoS.
    I cannot understand how I have to make this simpler.

    The "is it an AoS unit" test is pretty simple: "Can this unit only exist in AoS?"
    If yes, then we will not see it in TWWH, ever. I.E. A Stormcast Eternal, Ossiarch Bonereapers etc etc.
    Put a Brimstone Horror through that test and the answer is: "No, because it also exists in other settings and has no specific relation to AoS."

    Easy, yes?
    I disagree to some degree.

    I don't know what Brimstone Horrors are but a great deal of AoS could also exist in Fantasy. It would render that statement largely meaningless. I think CA means what they say; No AoS.

    Apparently the OP includes Kairics. Those could technically have existed in WHFB. I'd be shocked if we saw them in TWW.
    Kairics are unique to AoS though, while Brimstone Horrors are just an even smaller daemon of Tzeentch. Basically after AoS 2nd and 40K 8th edition, Blue Horrors could split down further just like Pinks did. Pink becomes 2 blues and 2 blues become 4 brimstones.

    Brimstone Horrors are daemons, just like any other Horror and as daemons are completely setting agnostic.
    Kairics are a specific style of Tzeentchian cultist that exist in the Mortal Realms. They could exist in WHFB but they'd need some kind of retconning or origin story, unlike Brimstones which could have literally always been there with no explanation needed.
    I think I've seen them once but I couldn't find them in a quick Google search so I'll accept whatever you say they are for the sake of discussion. I agree those are probably agnostic but I would be surprised to see Demons introduced after End Times included.

    Lets assume Old World which people keep bringing up. I doubt an AoS in OW would get included. It strikes me as an obvious backdoor. So obvious there's no point to that statement.

    I just think it's a very odd statement to make if CA isn't serious about it.
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