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It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.
So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3
Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game
It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.
So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3
Objectively false but understandable, as @Serpus and me just litigated in some detail. Overlap =/= 'Yes to AoS units', It's just Overlap. Some units and elements overlap already in TT or Lore or logically could, that is all.
A thread mirroring the very good thread created by ArneSo on Nurgle, but this time covering Tzeentch. (Because Tzeentch currently needs love more than any other god) List in no particular order
Herald of Tzeentch (Moonhead and Birdhead)
Ogroid Thaumaturge
Tzaangors and Tzaangors on disk
Brimstone Horror of Tzeentch (If Nurglings got their animation, then Brimstone is perfectly doable)
Burning Chariot of Tzeentch
Tzeentch Fatemaster
Tzeentch Knight
Tzeentch Chosen
Tzeentch Warriors
Tzeentch Sorcerers
Kairic Acolytes
Firewyrm of Tzeentch
The Advisor of course
If I forgot somes, I will add them to the list
So.... Tzeentch has zero DLC potential?
Your DLC units are either variations of those we already have, and that as such we won't get (moonhead, knights of Tzeentch), AoS units that CA already has confirmed aren't coming, and basic warriors and chosen.
It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.
So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3
What you see are updated models for the Daemons not AoS models. Those models are as much 40K, AoS or Fantasy, they are not exclusive to one setting in particular.
It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.
So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3
What you see are updated models for the Daemons not AoS models. Those models are as much 40K, AoS or Fantasy, they are not exclusive to one setting in particular.
Yes so? How about The Old World update brings some Brimstone? It works both way dude.
It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.
So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3
What you see are updated models for the Daemons not AoS models. Those models are as much 40K, AoS or Fantasy, they are not exclusive to one setting in particular.
Yes so? How about The Old World update brings some Brimstone? It works both way dude.
I'm just saying that calling them AoS models is simply wrong.
A thread mirroring the very good thread created by ArneSo on Nurgle, but this time covering Tzeentch. (Because Tzeentch currently needs love more than any other god)
So.... Tzeentch has zero DLC potential?
Your DLC units are either variations of those we already have, and that as such we won't get (moonhead, knights of Tzeentch), AoS units that CA already has confirmed aren't coming, and basic warriors and chosen.
I mean Tzeentch could get a pack with Tzaangors which come in melee, ranged, disc-riding ranged, disc-riding melee and shaman flavours. Firewyrms Mutalith Vortex Beast Various marked mortals Other beasts of chaos with the Mark of Tzeentch etc, there is enough for 1 DLC without even overlapping much with existing rosters, 2 or 3 if you do start overlapping.
Just I personally do not agree much with the OP's list.
I'm just saying that calling them AoS models is simply wrong.
I think it's fair to call them AoS models (especially when they were released for an AoS Battletome). They're not AoS concepts, but they are AoS models.
(And while the argument is made that they're used in WH40k as well, would you object to me calling the old KoS a WHFB model? That was used for 40k too. Or me calling Hrothgorn Mantrapper an Underworlds model, despite him having AoS rules?)
I'm just saying that calling them AoS models is simply wrong.
I think it's fair to call them AoS models (especially when they were released for an AoS Battletome). They're not AoS concepts, but they are AoS models.
(And while the argument is made that they're used in WH40k as well, would you object to me calling the old KoS a WHFB model? That was used for 40k too. Or me calling Hrothgorn Mantrapper an Underworlds model, despite him having AoS rules?)
The thing is if you just keep saying that we're having AoS models then the people that aren't hardcore fans of the settings are going to think we can expect units that are exclusive to AoS.
OP already made that mistake with stuff like the Kairic Acolytes.
The thing is if you just keep saying that we're having AoS models then the people that aren't hardcore fans of the settings are going to think we can expect units that are exclusive to AoS.
OP already made that mistake with stuff like the Kairic Acolytes.
That's true.
The opposite might also happen, though: if you say we're not getting AoS models, when to a casual observer the models released during AoS would be termed AoS models, it seems like... you're wrong. And then that invites them to speculate about other AoS models which are strictly AoS units that don't fit in conceptually with WHFB.
I just try to be careful in my own language (saying that we won't get AoS units or concepts, rather than models, etc), and gently correct people who are mixed up. I don't know that demanding people not call the AoS KoS an AoS KoS works.
It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.
So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3
Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game
Ugh, I hate having to play both sides of an argument because I believe the answer lies in the middle. The above FAQ statement says nothing about actual units, only the setting. This means Stormcast are a hard no, because they cannot exist outside of the AoS timeline as they literally are the kickoff to the setting. Brimstone Horrors or Tzaangor Skyfires however are totally viable because they are setting agnostic.
Does that make sense? CA hasn't ruled designs based on miniatures from post-AoS miniature development, just anything explicitly AoS as far as setting goes.
TLDR Stormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no. Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced after AoS but not explicitly tied to AoS so maybe. Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so probably.
Potential Legendary Lords and Heroes: - Kairos Fateweaver - Vilitch the Curseling - The Changeling - Egrimm van Horstmann - Aekold Helbrass - The Blue Scribes - Galrauch the Great Drake
Lords: - Exalted Lord of Change - [In] - Herald of Tzeentch - [In] - Tzeentch Daemon Prince - Sorcerer Lord of Tzeentch
Cavalry: - Knights of Tzeentch - [In] - Doom Knights (Warriors on discs) - [In]
Ranged Cavalry: - Changebringers (Storm of Chaos - Flamers mounted on discs)
Chariots: - Burning Chariot - [In]
Artillery/Warmachines: - Soul Grinder of Tzeentch - [In] - Shrine of Tzeentch - Great Winged Terror
Edit: Forgot about the Warpfire Dragon
i can drop the Cockatrice(this unit is more of a piece on last beastman dlc) and tzaanbulls (they fit more on khorne by playstyle), then i put tzaangors with bows on disc and the watchers of tzeentch, monstrous of the arcanum that is kinda like an floating eye that shoots lassers, and with the great winged terror and shrine i can put both on the mount options.
It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.
So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3
Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game
Ugh, I hate having to play both sides of an argument because I believe the answer lies in the middle. The above FAQ statement says nothing about actual units, only the setting. This means Stormcast are a hard no, because they cannot exist outside of the AoS timeline as they literally are the kickoff to the setting. Brimstone Horrors or Tzaangor Skyfires however are totally viable because they are setting agnostic.
Does that make sense? CA hasn't ruled designs based on miniatures from post-AoS miniature development, just anything explicitly AoS as far as setting goes.
TLDR Stormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no. Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced after AoS but not explicitly tied to AoS so maybe. Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so probably.
I'm assuming:
Stormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no. Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced for AoS so it's a no. Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so certainly.
The only change is the Brimstone Horror is a no because otherwise where do you draw the line?
I know sweet fanny adams about AoS but I assume it will come to Total War as a game in 5 or so years and some new Chaos models would probably be held back for that.
That's my interpretation of what they said anyway.
Mind you there's some lovely AoS units and models about so I'm happy if some to come BUT some like I've seen from Elves are just awful. Simply awful 😖.
It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.
So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3
Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game
It's extremely unlikely CA is going out of their way to say this only to backdoor AoS in.
I get wanting AoS but this is as clear cut as it gets. Araby has a better chance.
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It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.
So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3
Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game
Ugh, I hate having to play both sides of an argument because I believe the answer lies in the middle. The above FAQ statement says nothing about actual units, only the setting. This means Stormcast are a hard no, because they cannot exist outside of the AoS timeline as they literally are the kickoff to the setting. Brimstone Horrors or Tzaangor Skyfires however are totally viable because they are setting agnostic.
Does that make sense? CA hasn't ruled designs based on miniatures from post-AoS miniature development, just anything explicitly AoS as far as setting goes.
TLDR Stormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no. Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced after AoS but not explicitly tied to AoS so maybe. Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so probably.
No, it actually speaks about units: the question clearly mentions AOS stuff, and the answer is "NO".
All the potential in the world doesn't pay the bills, unless you're an Electric Vehicle company.
The pragmatic mathematic reality is that Tzeientch is extremely unlikely to get to 3 Lord Packs, and even 2 is questionable. The idea that Big Blue starts as a minor core with 1 LL and a small roster then gets the same number of LPs as Kislev or Cathay doesn't work.
Given that CA has demonstrated content is not a factor every race could get unlimited DLC. The limiting factor is business incentive.
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It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.
So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3
Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game
Ugh, I hate having to play both sides of an argument because I believe the answer lies in the middle. The above FAQ statement says nothing about actual units, only the setting. This means Stormcast are a hard no, because they cannot exist outside of the AoS timeline as they literally are the kickoff to the setting. Brimstone Horrors or Tzaangor Skyfires however are totally viable because they are setting agnostic.
Does that make sense? CA hasn't ruled designs based on miniatures from post-AoS miniature development, just anything explicitly AoS as far as setting goes.
TLDR Stormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no. Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced after AoS but not explicitly tied to AoS so maybe. Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so probably.
No, it actually speaks about units: the question clearly mentions AOS stuff, and the answer is "NO".
But Brimstone Horrors aren't AoS stuff, they are just as much 40K stuff, same as any daemon. There is nothing tying them to AoS. I cannot understand how I have to make this simpler.
The "is it an AoS unit" test is pretty simple: "Can this unit only exist in AoS?" If yes, then we will not see it in TWWH, ever. I.E. A Stormcast Eternal, Ossiarch Bonereapers etc etc. Put a Brimstone Horror through that test and the answer is: "No, because it also exists in other settings and has no specific relation to AoS."
It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.
So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3
Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game
Ugh, I hate having to play both sides of an argument because I believe the answer lies in the middle. The above FAQ statement says nothing about actual units, only the setting. This means Stormcast are a hard no, because they cannot exist outside of the AoS timeline as they literally are the kickoff to the setting. Brimstone Horrors or Tzaangor Skyfires however are totally viable because they are setting agnostic.
Does that make sense? CA hasn't ruled designs based on miniatures from post-AoS miniature development, just anything explicitly AoS as far as setting goes.
TLDR Stormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no. Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced after AoS but not explicitly tied to AoS so maybe. Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so probably.
No, it actually speaks about units: the question clearly mentions AOS stuff, and the answer is "NO".
But Brimstone Horrors aren't AoS stuff, they are just as much 40K stuff, same as any daemon. There is nothing tying them to AoS. I cannot understand how I have to make this simpler.
The "is it an AoS unit" test is pretty simple: "Can this unit only exist in AoS?" If yes, then we will not see it in TWWH, ever. I.E. A Stormcast Eternal, Ossiarch Bonereapers etc etc. Put a Brimstone Horror through that test and the answer is: "No, because it also exists in other settings and has no specific relation to AoS."
Easy, yes?
So we are getting Space Marines? Cool.
There's a reason they didn't bother saying no 40k.
It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.
So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3
Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game
Ugh, I hate having to play both sides of an argument because I believe the answer lies in the middle. The above FAQ statement says nothing about actual units, only the setting. This means Stormcast are a hard no, because they cannot exist outside of the AoS timeline as they literally are the kickoff to the setting. Brimstone Horrors or Tzaangor Skyfires however are totally viable because they are setting agnostic.
Does that make sense? CA hasn't ruled designs based on miniatures from post-AoS miniature development, just anything explicitly AoS as far as setting goes.
TLDR Stormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no. Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced after AoS but not explicitly tied to AoS so maybe. Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so probably.
No, it actually speaks about units: the question clearly mentions AOS stuff, and the answer is "NO".
But Brimstone Horrors aren't AoS stuff, they are just as much 40K stuff, same as any daemon. There is nothing tying them to AoS. I cannot understand how I have to make this simpler.
The "is it an AoS unit" test is pretty simple: "Can this unit only exist in AoS?" If yes, then we will not see it in TWWH, ever. I.E. A Stormcast Eternal, Ossiarch Bonereapers etc etc. Put a Brimstone Horror through that test and the answer is: "No, because it also exists in other settings and has no specific relation to AoS."
Easy, yes?
I was just saying that the FAQ does mention AOS units.
I agree that brimstone horrors could come. I don't see the point to more horrors, but they are possible.
It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.
So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3
Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game
Ugh, I hate having to play both sides of an argument because I believe the answer lies in the middle. The above FAQ statement says nothing about actual units, only the setting. This means Stormcast are a hard no, because they cannot exist outside of the AoS timeline as they literally are the kickoff to the setting. Brimstone Horrors or Tzaangor Skyfires however are totally viable because they are setting agnostic.
Does that make sense? CA hasn't ruled designs based on miniatures from post-AoS miniature development, just anything explicitly AoS as far as setting goes.
TLDR Stormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no. Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced after AoS but not explicitly tied to AoS so maybe. Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so probably.
No, it actually speaks about units: the question clearly mentions AOS stuff, and the answer is "NO".
But Brimstone Horrors aren't AoS stuff, they are just as much 40K stuff, same as any daemon. There is nothing tying them to AoS. I cannot understand how I have to make this simpler.
The "is it an AoS unit" test is pretty simple: "Can this unit only exist in AoS?" If yes, then we will not see it in TWWH, ever. I.E. A Stormcast Eternal, Ossiarch Bonereapers etc etc. Put a Brimstone Horror through that test and the answer is: "No, because it also exists in other settings and has no specific relation to AoS."
Easy, yes?
So we are getting Space Marines? Cool.
There's a reason they didn't bother saying no 40k.
Brimstone Horrors aren't 40K specific either, I don't even get why you'd go there... there is no logical reason to make that equivalency other than to get a rise out of me, in which case... mission successful I guess?
It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.
So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3
Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game
Ugh, I hate having to play both sides of an argument because I believe the answer lies in the middle. The above FAQ statement says nothing about actual units, only the setting. This means Stormcast are a hard no, because they cannot exist outside of the AoS timeline as they literally are the kickoff to the setting. Brimstone Horrors or Tzaangor Skyfires however are totally viable because they are setting agnostic.
Does that make sense? CA hasn't ruled designs based on miniatures from post-AoS miniature development, just anything explicitly AoS as far as setting goes.
TLDR Stormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no. Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced after AoS but not explicitly tied to AoS so maybe. Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so probably.
No, it actually speaks about units: the question clearly mentions AOS stuff, and the answer is "NO".
But Brimstone Horrors aren't AoS stuff, they are just as much 40K stuff, same as any daemon. There is nothing tying them to AoS. I cannot understand how I have to make this simpler.
The "is it an AoS unit" test is pretty simple: "Can this unit only exist in AoS?" If yes, then we will not see it in TWWH, ever. I.E. A Stormcast Eternal, Ossiarch Bonereapers etc etc. Put a Brimstone Horror through that test and the answer is: "No, because it also exists in other settings and has no specific relation to AoS."
Easy, yes?
So we are getting Space Marines? Cool.
There's a reason they didn't bother saying no 40k.
No. We're getting Sisters of Battle.
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It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.
So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3
Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game
Ugh, I hate having to play both sides of an argument because I believe the answer lies in the middle. The above FAQ statement says nothing about actual units, only the setting. This means Stormcast are a hard no, because they cannot exist outside of the AoS timeline as they literally are the kickoff to the setting. Brimstone Horrors or Tzaangor Skyfires however are totally viable because they are setting agnostic.
Does that make sense? CA hasn't ruled designs based on miniatures from post-AoS miniature development, just anything explicitly AoS as far as setting goes.
TLDR Stormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no. Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced after AoS but not explicitly tied to AoS so maybe. Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so probably.
No, it actually speaks about units: the question clearly mentions AOS stuff, and the answer is "NO".
But Brimstone Horrors aren't AoS stuff, they are just as much 40K stuff, same as any daemon. There is nothing tying them to AoS. I cannot understand how I have to make this simpler.
The "is it an AoS unit" test is pretty simple: "Can this unit only exist in AoS?" If yes, then we will not see it in TWWH, ever. I.E. A Stormcast Eternal, Ossiarch Bonereapers etc etc. Put a Brimstone Horror through that test and the answer is: "No, because it also exists in other settings and has no specific relation to AoS."
Easy, yes?
I disagree to some degree.
I don't know what Brimstone Horrors are but a great deal of AoS could also exist in Fantasy. It would render that statement largely meaningless. I think CA means what they say; No AoS.
Apparently the OP includes Kairics. Those could technically have existed in WHFB. I'd be shocked if we saw them in TWW.
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We won't get more Horrors. We already have a lot and they skipped over Exalted Blue Horrors.
Lord Pack 1 will likely add Mutalith Vortex Beast and Marked Mortals Lord Pack 2 will likely add Firewyrm and Marked Beastmen Lord Pack 3 will likely add bits and pieces that are missing, like Changebringers and any holes the roster is missing.
It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.
So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3
Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game
Ugh, I hate having to play both sides of an argument because I believe the answer lies in the middle. The above FAQ statement says nothing about actual units, only the setting. This means Stormcast are a hard no, because they cannot exist outside of the AoS timeline as they literally are the kickoff to the setting. Brimstone Horrors or Tzaangor Skyfires however are totally viable because they are setting agnostic.
Does that make sense? CA hasn't ruled designs based on miniatures from post-AoS miniature development, just anything explicitly AoS as far as setting goes.
TLDR Stormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no. Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced after AoS but not explicitly tied to AoS so maybe. Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so probably.
No, it actually speaks about units: the question clearly mentions AOS stuff, and the answer is "NO".
But Brimstone Horrors aren't AoS stuff, they are just as much 40K stuff, same as any daemon. There is nothing tying them to AoS. I cannot understand how I have to make this simpler.
The "is it an AoS unit" test is pretty simple: "Can this unit only exist in AoS?" If yes, then we will not see it in TWWH, ever. I.E. A Stormcast Eternal, Ossiarch Bonereapers etc etc. Put a Brimstone Horror through that test and the answer is: "No, because it also exists in other settings and has no specific relation to AoS."
Easy, yes?
So we are getting Space Marines? Cool.
There's a reason they didn't bother saying no 40k.
Brimstone Horrors aren't 40K specific either, I don't even get why you'd go there... there is no logical reason to make that equivalency other than to get a rise out of me, in which case... mission successful I guess?
Firstly who doesn't enjoy getting a rise out of someone else on the Internet?
But seriously: They say they are taking units from 8th edition and older fantasy ones.
They say no units from AoS.
They do not mention 40k because they don't have to. It's a different universe. You really have to stretch to say they will include something because 40k and AoS have it.
They say they are taking units from 8th edition and older fantasy ones. Nowhere else.
We won't get more Horrors. We already have a lot and they skipped over Exalted Blue Horrors.
Lord Pack 1 will likely add Mutalith Vortex Beast and Marked Mortals Lord Pack 2 will likely add Firewyrm and Marked Beastmen Lord Pack 3 will likely add bits and pieces that are missing, like Changebringers and any holes the roster is missing.
3 LPs are highly unlikely. 2 is questionable.
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It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.
So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3
Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game
Ugh, I hate having to play both sides of an argument because I believe the answer lies in the middle. The above FAQ statement says nothing about actual units, only the setting. This means Stormcast are a hard no, because they cannot exist outside of the AoS timeline as they literally are the kickoff to the setting. Brimstone Horrors or Tzaangor Skyfires however are totally viable because they are setting agnostic.
Does that make sense? CA hasn't ruled designs based on miniatures from post-AoS miniature development, just anything explicitly AoS as far as setting goes.
TLDR Stormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no. Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced after AoS but not explicitly tied to AoS so maybe. Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so probably.
No, it actually speaks about units: the question clearly mentions AOS stuff, and the answer is "NO".
But Brimstone Horrors aren't AoS stuff, they are just as much 40K stuff, same as any daemon. There is nothing tying them to AoS. I cannot understand how I have to make this simpler.
The "is it an AoS unit" test is pretty simple: "Can this unit only exist in AoS?" If yes, then we will not see it in TWWH, ever. I.E. A Stormcast Eternal, Ossiarch Bonereapers etc etc. Put a Brimstone Horror through that test and the answer is: "No, because it also exists in other settings and has no specific relation to AoS."
Easy, yes?
I disagree to some degree.
I don't know what Brimstone Horrors are but a great deal of AoS could also exist in Fantasy. It would render that statement largely meaningless. I think CA means what they say; No AoS.
Apparently the OP includes Kairics. Those could technically have existed in WHFB. I'd be shocked if we saw them in TWW.
Kairics are unique to AoS though, while Brimstone Horrors are just an even smaller daemon of Tzeentch. Basically after AoS 2nd and 40K 8th edition, Blue Horrors could split down further just like Pinks did. Pink becomes 2 blues and 2 blues become 4 brimstones.
Brimstone Horrors are daemons, just like any other Horror and as daemons are completely setting agnostic. Kairics are a specific style of Tzeentchian cultist that exist in the Mortal Realms. They could exist in WHFB but they'd need some kind of retconning or origin story, unlike Brimstones which could have literally always been there with no explanation needed.
We won't get more Horrors. We already have a lot and they skipped over Exalted Blue Horrors.
Lord Pack 1 will likely add Mutalith Vortex Beast and Marked Mortals Lord Pack 2 will likely add Firewyrm and Marked Beastmen Lord Pack 3 will likely add bits and pieces that are missing, like Changebringers and any holes the roster is missing.
It's fun because I'm currently watching the Nurgle vs Slaanesh gameplay battle and I see AoS everywhere in Slaanesh's ranks. Absolutely everywhere.
So to all those who tell me that there will never be the Brimstones Horrors, I say: AoS is already in WH3
Man, a unit that exists in WFB and AOS with a update model, will use his update model in that game, but a unit CREATED in AOS will not appear in that game
Ugh, I hate having to play both sides of an argument because I believe the answer lies in the middle. The above FAQ statement says nothing about actual units, only the setting. This means Stormcast are a hard no, because they cannot exist outside of the AoS timeline as they literally are the kickoff to the setting. Brimstone Horrors or Tzaangor Skyfires however are totally viable because they are setting agnostic.
Does that make sense? CA hasn't ruled designs based on miniatures from post-AoS miniature development, just anything explicitly AoS as far as setting goes.
TLDR Stormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no. Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced after AoS but not explicitly tied to AoS so maybe. Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so probably.
No, it actually speaks about units: the question clearly mentions AOS stuff, and the answer is "NO".
But Brimstone Horrors aren't AoS stuff, they are just as much 40K stuff, same as any daemon. There is nothing tying them to AoS. I cannot understand how I have to make this simpler.
The "is it an AoS unit" test is pretty simple: "Can this unit only exist in AoS?" If yes, then we will not see it in TWWH, ever. I.E. A Stormcast Eternal, Ossiarch Bonereapers etc etc. Put a Brimstone Horror through that test and the answer is: "No, because it also exists in other settings and has no specific relation to AoS."
Easy, yes?
I disagree to some degree.
I don't know what Brimstone Horrors are but a great deal of AoS could also exist in Fantasy. It would render that statement largely meaningless. I think CA means what they say; No AoS.
Apparently the OP includes Kairics. Those could technically have existed in WHFB. I'd be shocked if we saw them in TWW.
Kairics are unique to AoS though, while Brimstone Horrors are just an even smaller daemon of Tzeentch. Basically after AoS 2nd and 40K 8th edition, Blue Horrors could split down further just like Pinks did. Pink becomes 2 blues and 2 blues become 4 brimstones.
Brimstone Horrors are daemons, just like any other Horror and as daemons are completely setting agnostic. Kairics are a specific style of Tzeentchian cultist that exist in the Mortal Realms. They could exist in WHFB but they'd need some kind of retconning or origin story, unlike Brimstones which could have literally always been there with no explanation needed.
I think I've seen them once but I couldn't find them in a quick Google search so I'll accept whatever you say they are for the sake of discussion. I agree those are probably agnostic but I would be surprised to see Demons introduced after End Times included.
Lets assume Old World which people keep bringing up. I doubt an AoS in OW would get included. It strikes me as an obvious backdoor. So obvious there's no point to that statement.
I just think it's a very odd statement to make if CA isn't serious about it.
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3 · Disagree 3AgreeOverlap =/= 'Yes to AoS units', It's just Overlap. Some units and elements overlap already in TT or Lore or logically could, that is all.
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1 · Disagree 1AgreeYour DLC units are either variations of those we already have, and that as such we won't get (moonhead, knights of Tzeentch), AoS units that CA already has confirmed aren't coming, and basic warriors and chosen.
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0 · 1Disagree AgreeFirewyrms
Mutalith Vortex Beast
Various marked mortals
Other beasts of chaos with the Mark of Tzeentch
etc, there is enough for 1 DLC without even overlapping much with existing rosters, 2 or 3 if you do start overlapping.
Just I personally do not agree much with the OP's list.
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2 · Disagree 2Agree(And while the argument is made that they're used in WH40k as well, would you object to me calling the old KoS a WHFB model? That was used for 40k too. Or me calling Hrothgorn Mantrapper an Underworlds model, despite him having AoS rules?)
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0 · Disagree AgreeOP already made that mistake with stuff like the Kairic Acolytes.
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2 · 1Disagree 2AgreeThe opposite might also happen, though: if you say we're not getting AoS models, when to a casual observer the models released during AoS would be termed AoS models, it seems like... you're wrong. And then that invites them to speculate about other AoS models which are strictly AoS units that don't fit in conceptually with WHFB.
I just try to be careful in my own language (saying that we won't get AoS units or concepts, rather than models, etc), and gently correct people who are mixed up. I don't know that demanding people not call the AoS KoS an AoS KoS works.
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1 · Disagree 1AgreeThe above FAQ statement says nothing about actual units, only the setting.
This means Stormcast are a hard no, because they cannot exist outside of the AoS timeline as they literally are the kickoff to the setting.
Brimstone Horrors or Tzaangor Skyfires however are totally viable because they are setting agnostic.
Does that make sense?
CA hasn't ruled designs based on miniatures from post-AoS miniature development, just anything explicitly AoS as far as setting goes.
TLDR
Stormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no.
Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced after AoS but not explicitly tied to AoS so maybe.
Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so probably.
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0 · Disagree AgreeStormcast = Is directly tied to AoS so no.
Brimstone Horror = A miniature introduced for AoS so it's a no.
Updated Tzaangor sculpt = Known to exist in WHFB so certainly.
The only change is the Brimstone Horror is a no because otherwise where do you draw the line?
I know sweet fanny adams about AoS but I assume it will come to Total War as a game in 5 or so years and some new Chaos models would probably be held back for that.
That's my interpretation of what they said anyway.
Mind you there's some lovely AoS units and models about so I'm happy if some to come BUT some like I've seen from Elves are just awful. Simply awful 😖.
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0 · Disagree AgreeI get wanting AoS but this is as clear cut as it gets. Araby has a better chance.
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0 · 2Disagree Agree"I shivered at the sight of her - her beauty far beyond that of mortal man. But her soul glowed with an inner darkness that chilled my very core."
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2 · 1Disagree 2AgreeThe pragmatic mathematic reality is that Tzeientch is extremely unlikely to get to 3 Lord Packs, and even 2 is questionable. The idea that Big Blue starts as a minor core with 1 LL and a small roster then gets the same number of LPs as Kislev or Cathay doesn't work.
Given that CA has demonstrated content is not a factor every race could get unlimited DLC. The limiting factor is business incentive.
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0 · 2Disagree AgreeI cannot understand how I have to make this simpler.
The "is it an AoS unit" test is pretty simple: "Can this unit only exist in AoS?"
If yes, then we will not see it in TWWH, ever. I.E. A Stormcast Eternal, Ossiarch Bonereapers etc etc.
Put a Brimstone Horror through that test and the answer is: "No, because it also exists in other settings and has no specific relation to AoS."
Easy, yes?
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1 · 1Disagree 1AgreeThere's a reason they didn't bother saying no 40k.
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0 · 1Disagree AgreeI agree that brimstone horrors could come. I don't see the point to more horrors, but they are possible.
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1 · 1Disagree 1AgreeI don't know what Brimstone Horrors are but a great deal of AoS could also exist in Fantasy. It would render that statement largely meaningless. I think CA means what they say; No AoS.
Apparently the OP includes Kairics. Those could technically have existed in WHFB. I'd be shocked if we saw them in TWW.
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1 · 1Disagree 1AgreeLord Pack 1 will likely add Mutalith Vortex Beast and Marked Mortals
Lord Pack 2 will likely add Firewyrm and Marked Beastmen
Lord Pack 3 will likely add bits and pieces that are missing, like Changebringers and any holes the roster is missing.
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1 · 1Disagree 1AgreeBut seriously:
They say they are taking units from 8th edition and older fantasy ones.
They say no units from AoS.
They do not mention 40k because they don't have to. It's a different universe. You really have to stretch to say they will include something because 40k and AoS have it.
They say they are taking units from 8th edition and older fantasy ones. Nowhere else.
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0 · 1Disagree AgreeSo far; 8th Edition, Older Editions, End Times and Old World are the sources they are using.
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1 · Disagree 1AgreeBrimstone Horrors are daemons, just like any other Horror and as daemons are completely setting agnostic.
Kairics are a specific style of Tzeentchian cultist that exist in the Mortal Realms. They could exist in WHFB but they'd need some kind of retconning or origin story, unlike Brimstones which could have literally always been there with no explanation needed.
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0 · Disagree AgreeLets assume Old World which people keep bringing up. I doubt an AoS in OW would get included. It strikes me as an obvious backdoor. So obvious there's no point to that statement.
I just think it's a very odd statement to make if CA isn't serious about it.
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