Vampire Counts DLC Potential

Cosmic_Lich#1188

I'm changing up the format. People were critical of the themed DLCs, because I chose certain characters they didn't prefer. So to focus discussion more on the potential of future content, rather than the disagreements of what should be future content, I'm removing my bias for certain themes.

Edit: Fixed the Dread Abyssal error.

#568367

Some like Barrow King and Handmaidens should remain exclusive to their obvious respective Lords Kemmler and Neferata.

Also you put in two Abyssal Terrors.


Lastly I disagree with a playable Ushoran as he's dead by necessity unlike Repanse whose death doesn't matter. A live present Ushoran would mean the bestial Strigoi wouldn't exist.


Instead Gashnag should be the Strigoi LL with limited mortal Strigany units

Cosmic_Lich#1188

GreenColoured said:

Also you put in two Abyssal Terrors.

My bad. Let me fix that.

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User_Clue

I don't think having multiple blood knight RoRs is "possible". I don't think any unit has gotten more than 1 RoR. The Black Grail knights aren't blood knights anyway, they're extra powerful Wights. The abyssal terror could also be a stand alone unit.

saweendra#3399

User_Clue said:

I don't think having multiple blood knight RoRs is "possible". I don't think any unit has gotten more than 1 RoR. The Black Grail knights aren't blood knights anyway, they're extra powerful Wights. The abyssal terror could also be a stand alone unit.

isn't there like two versions of the black grail knights, once who drank rom the black/blood grail and once that are raised grail knights?

Jam#4399

GreenColoured said:

Some like Barrow King and Handmaidens should remain exclusive to their obvious respective Lords Kemmler and Neferata.

Also the Guard of High Mistress

#568367

User_Clue said:

I don't think having multiple blood knight RoRs is "possible". I don't think any unit has gotten more than 1 RoR. The Black Grail knights aren't blood knights anyway, they're extra powerful Wights. The abyssal terror could also be a stand alone unit.

A lot of base LM units have multiple RoRs with the inclusion of Sacred Spawnings.


They're not exactly the same but they're pretty much RoRs in every way but name. And nobody likes a pedant

Fingolfin_the-Golden#2157

Neferata and a flc is about it I think. But we will see.

Cortes31#6909

We really got too much Von Carsteins in WH1.

afverrall#1754

Yeah I would like tbe ither blood lines to be focused on. Nefrata and zacharias would be the dlc and flc choices, unlock the red duke along with an update to his items, skills and mechanics.

Elysium1805

Still can't believe they chose Helman Ghorst...

Cosmic_Lich#1188

Elysium1805 said:

Still can't believe they chose Helman Ghorst...

With other well known characters, I think we all wonder what led to that decision. Hell, I'm pretty sure Dieter Helsnicht is more popular as a necromancer.

Captain_Rex#1635

Neferatas Handmaidens shouod be a vampiric infantry unit like Depth Guard, but more sneaky and less armoured.

VC already have a female Vampire Hero so making the Handmaiden a Hero wouldn’t add anything tbh.


I personally expect 2 LPs for VC: Neffy and Zach

Neferata LP:
- Naaima LH
- Lahmian Spy Hero
- Coven Throne
- Neferatas Handmaidens
- Spirit Hosts

Proper Lord as TW Access FLC



Zacharias LP:
- Cairn Wraith Lord
- Wickerman
- Corpse Giant
- Patchworkmen

Proper Necrarch Lord as TW access FLC


Besides of that I think we’ll get Ushoran/Vorag and the Red Duke as FLC.

Getting Konrad or Abhorash as LHs would also be nice!

TheWattman#7460

You missed the Strigany Infantry and the Domnu hero from the Strigoi list back in 6th edition. Any proper Strigoi addition would need to include living units in order to be true to the lore.

Captain_Rex#1635

Elysium1805 said:

Still can't believe they chose Helman Ghorst...

Yeah it’s mind boggling Honestly.

Cosmic_Lich#1188

TheWattman said:

You missed the Strigany Infantry and the Domnu hero from the Strigoi list back in 6th edition. Any proper Strigoi addition would need to include living units in order to be true to the lore.

I imagine those would be campaign exclusive units so I excluded them.

Cortes31#6909

On the Ghorst part, I am just going to quote myself from another thread:

Cortes31 said:

Moving Ghorst is certainly an option too. It is just that he, well, seems so pointless. I mean, did CA really think a second Necromancer LL was a good idea? I mean, I fully believe that CA planned so far ahead that they fully knew they would use Manfred and Kemmler as core, Ghorst for DLC and Vlad and Isabella for FLC. So, if they already knew they would use all these characters the way they did, did really no one stand up and say, "maybe we should change something?"

I just checked this out and this is what 8th edition armybook says:


Manfred, Kemmler and Vlad are all legit lord choices. So, why not starting with Vlad and Kemmler and then using Manfred for the DLC? Make Isabella the normal FLC and done.
No need to bring an character through Make War Not Love.

I do not even mind Ghorst being a nobody in lore but still.

SerPus#7395

Cortes31 said:

So, why not starting with Vlad and Kemmler and then using Manfred for the DLC?

Because Mannfred is the current Vampire Count of Sylvania.

afverrall#1754

Ghorst and tretch were such bad choices

doclumbago#6250

-Number one on my Legendary Hero list is Abhorash, has to be put in there

-I am in agreement that Handmaidens should be a low-number elite unit (probably with Stalk and/or a bound spell)

-I don't know about the Barrow King General-another Melee Lord, why?
(unless he's ethereal, that would be awesome)

-I really wish CA would ditch the mortal Van Carstein levies in favour of Strigani skirmishers
now that Kislev is released, they have more than enough assets to generate those

User_Clue

saweendra said:

User_Clue said:

I don't think having multiple blood knight RoRs is "possible". I don't think any unit has gotten more than 1 RoR. The Black Grail knights aren't blood knights anyway, they're extra powerful Wights. The abyssal terror could also be a stand alone unit.

isn't there like two versions of the black grail knights, once who drank rom the black/blood grail and once that are raised grail knights?

Not exactly. There's the False Grail which Merovech used to drink a grail knights blood, but the knights that he (and possible Maldred) got to drink from it weren't called Black Grail knights to my knowledge. The only other similar thing were Mallaude's Knights of the Black Grail, but it's not really stated that they were vampires, although I guess it's possible that he followed in the footsteps of the the many Ms of Mousillon and found/created a blood grail to make vampires with.

Captain_Rex#1635

SerPus said:

Cortes31 said:

So, why not starting with Vlad and Kemmler and then using Manfred for the DLC?

Because Mannfred is the current Vampire Count of Sylvania.

The core line up should’ve been Vlad and Mannfred. With Kemmler being saved for a Lp themed around his personal list.

afverrall#1754

Warhammer 1 made a great many mistakes with dlc

Captain_Rex#1635

afverrall said:

Warhammer 1 made a great many mistakes with dlc

Yeah…

- Empire not getting a FLC
- Izzy as a LL
- Ghorst as DLC
- Only 2 LPs


CA really had no clue what they are doing back then…

bobthe4th#5433

Morghasts are awful looking AoS style ****, really hope they aren't added to the game

Otters007#7127

Cortes31 said:

We really got too much Von Carsteins in WH1.

No we didn't. Vlad, Mannfred and to a lesser extent, Isabella, were hugely important characters that were more then justifiable to include.

The issue is we got Ghorst. He was such a bad choice. What on earth were CA thinking there?

Anyway, now is a good time to flesh out other bloodlines. I strongly hope we get Neferata and Zacharias.

On another note, I do agree Isabella should have been legendary hero. Its not that we don't think neccesarily she shouldn't or can't lead armies. It's that we want her and Vlad fighting together. That rarely happens in campaign when they both have their own army.

Nikolabrac#5277

GreenColoured said:

Some like Barrow King and Handmaidens should remain exclusive to their obvious respective Lords Kemmler and Neferata.

Also you put in two Abyssal Terrors.


Lastly I disagree with a playable Ushoran as he's dead by necessity unlike Repanse whose death doesn't matter. A live present Ushoran would mean the bestial Strigoi wouldn't exist.


Instead Gashnag should be the Strigoi LL with limited mortal Strigany units

Ushoran is very much alive, he just went insane for a while

MODIDDLY1#9212

Otters007 said:

Cortes31 said:

We really got too much Von Carsteins in WH1.

No we didn't. Vlad, Mannfred and to a lesser extent, Isabella, were hugely important characters that were more then justifiable to include.

The issue is we got Ghorst. He was such a bad choice. What on earth were CA thinking there?

Anyway, now is a good time to flesh out other bloodlines. I strongly hope we get Neferata and Zacharias.

On another note, I do agree Isabella should have been legendary hero. Its not that we don't think neccesarily she shouldn't or can't lead armies. It's that we want her and Vlad fighting together. That rarely happens in campaign when they both have their own army.

Honestly, I get the idea of wanting another necromancer lord to mix it up, but making him start and play exactly the same as Mannfred is what sucks. If he had his own faction and location, it might not be as bad. Though the issue still stands that his inclusion excluded more important named bloodline characters so meh.

Goatforce#6625

A lot of this is good, though as others have said Handmaidens would be better as a Sisters of Slaughter style elite infantry, or maybe an anti large elite like Asrai Spears (but with a stat line like the former)

LordSolarMach#5538

I'm not big on adding Morghasts to VCs (or TKs). They have a very distinct new-Nagash look; either they should be exclusive to their bone-daddy, or not in the game at all.

I'll also point out (as I always do) that they're much bigger than many seem to be under the impression of. A bit taller than a Bone Giant, and towering over Ushabti. They're far too big for Monstrous Infantry - either they'd be implemented as SEMs or small (~3 model?) units of monsters (like Royal Hippogryph Knights).