What if the Monos Really are Mono-Daemons rather than Mono-Gods?

ScionOfTheEmperor#1907

I know this is a controversial topic here but I want you all to grant me this for the sake of argument and speculation.

I am one of the few people who thinks Sotek may be right about the Mono's being Daemons with Mortals to supplement them rather than True Monogods.
Now put aside you personal opinions on that take and Sotek himself an just assume it's accurate, What then?

Myself I can see it going this way:
Valkia, Villich & Festus all added to the Warriors of Chaos Race, All Given unique starts with Archaon, Kholek & Sigvald update in the process with the same unique starts.
From the Wording of older Blogs my assumption is that we'll see each Monogod Warriors Faction under their Named Champion, Such as Villich for Tzeentch will get access to both the Overhauled Warriors Mechanics but also the God Specific Resource and Mechanics, Villich getting Grimoires & Changeling of the Ways for example Sigvald getting Devotees, Valkia Skulls and so on.

I'd also expect them to get big bonusses with the MonoDaemon Races, Sigvald & N'Kari, Festus & Ku'Gath with the exception being bad relations between Valkia & Skarbrand.
I can also see each Mono-Warrior Faction getting unique units from the Mono-Daemons,
Valkia with Skullcrushers, Villich with Doom Knights, Sigvald with Hellstriders and the Unmounted Marauders and something new for Festus, Maybe Rotfly Knights or something.

Again, Just assume this is how things go,
Would you be satisfied?
Would you do things different?

Fingolfin_the-Golden#2157

I think your take is pretty good.
Some people can’t handle the truth.

AxiosXiphos#9040

It's been explained multiple times already; I don't think we needed another thread for this...

Let's try it another way - create a Khorne Lordpack with just Daemons (or even majority)... go on I'll wait...

ScionOfTheEmperor#1907

AxiosXiphos said:

It's been explained multiple times already; I don't think we needed another thread for this...

No it hasn't.
I know most people deny this as a possibility and they may well be right.
But this thread is about entertaining that possibly and how, if correct, it could be done well.

SaintCorn#3148

No, I would not be satisfied.
I would put Mortal representatives of the Chaos Gods in their respective Chaos God race.
Update the Warriors of Chaos separately and add more Chaos Undivided characters to them.

AxiosXiphos#9040

ScionOfTheEmperor said:

AxiosXiphos said:

It's been explained multiple times already; I don't think we needed another thread for this...

No it hasn't.
I know most people deny this as a possibility and they may well be right.
But this thread is about entertaining that possibly and how, if correct, it could be done well.

We aren't getting 4 WoC specific lord packs in addition to 4+ God lord packs.... it's not happening. There's no point discussing impossible hypotheticals.

mecanojavi99#6562

Did we really need another thread? Really?

ScionOfTheEmperor#1907

AxiosXiphos said:

ScionOfTheEmperor said:

AxiosXiphos said:

It's been explained multiple times already; I don't think we needed another thread for this...

No it hasn't.
I know most people deny this as a possibility and they may well be right.
But this thread is about entertaining that possibly and how, if correct, it could be done well.

We aren't getting 4 WoC specific lord packs in addition to 4+ God lord packs.... it's not happening. There's no point discussing impossible hypotheticals.

Have you considered the possibility that CA might do DLCs other than LPs?
That they could instead pour all recourses into a single update to a single Race?

LPs have been a mainstay thus far but they take a long time and are very restrictive.
The way I see it why couldn't CA just add Valkia, Villich & Festus in One DLC along with Marked warriors for each God exclusive to the Mono Champions.

That potential Format of DLC would work great for the Vampires as well, One Big DLC that adds Neferata, Zacharias & Vorag with The Red Duke made Fully Playable as well.

Warhammer III looks to be an entirely different beast than I or II and I expect Surprises & Curveballs with how things are done at every step.

mecanojavi99#6562

ScionOfTheEmperor said:

AxiosXiphos said:

ScionOfTheEmperor said:

AxiosXiphos said:

It's been explained multiple times already; I don't think we needed another thread for this...

No it hasn't.
I know most people deny this as a possibility and they may well be right.
But this thread is about entertaining that possibly and how, if correct, it could be done well.

We aren't getting 4 WoC specific lord packs in addition to 4+ God lord packs.... it's not happening. There's no point discussing impossible hypotheticals.

Have you considered the possibility that CA might do DLCs other than LPs?
That they could instead pour all recourses into a single update to a single Race?

LPs have been a mainstay thus far but they take a long time and are very restrictive.
The way I see it why couldn't CA just add Valkia, Villich & Festus in One DLC along with Marked warriors for each God exclusive to the Mono Champions.

That potential Format of DLC would work great for the Vampires as well, One Big DLC that adds Neferata, Zacharias & Vorag with The Red Duke made Fully Playable as well.

Warhammer III looks to be an entirely different beast than I or II and I expect Surprises & Curveballs with how things are done at every step.

The amount of mental gymnastics you are going trough to try and give some kind of argument for something that is objectevely not the case, is quite remarkable.

AxiosXiphos#9040

ScionOfTheEmperor said:

AxiosXiphos said:

ScionOfTheEmperor said:

AxiosXiphos said:

It's been explained multiple times already; I don't think we needed another thread for this...

No it hasn't.
I know most people deny this as a possibility and they may well be right.
But this thread is about entertaining that possibly and how, if correct, it could be done well.

We aren't getting 4 WoC specific lord packs in addition to 4+ God lord packs.... it's not happening. There's no point discussing impossible hypotheticals.

Have you considered the possibility that CA might do DLCs other than LPs?
That they could instead pour all recourses into a single update to a single Race?

LPs have been a mainstay thus far but they take a long time and are very restrictive.
The way I see it why couldn't CA just add Valkia, Villich & Festus in One DLC along with Marked warriors for each God exclusive to the Mono Champions.

That potential Format of DLC would work great for the Vampires as well, One Big DLC that adds Neferata, Zacharias & Vorag with The Red Duke made Fully Playable as well.

Warhammer III looks to be an entirely different beast than I or II and I expect Surprises & Curveballs with how things are done at every step.

CA could also cancel the game tomorrow. Until we have a reason to assume something there is no reason to make unfounded guesses. Aka until we know otherwise - game 3 will almost certainly hold tue to the game 2 DLC format.

ScionOfTheEmperor#1907

mecanojavi99 said:

ScionOfTheEmperor said:

AxiosXiphos said:

ScionOfTheEmperor said:

AxiosXiphos said:

It's been explained multiple times already; I don't think we needed another thread for this...

No it hasn't.
I know most people deny this as a possibility and they may well be right.
But this thread is about entertaining that possibly and how, if correct, it could be done well.

We aren't getting 4 WoC specific lord packs in addition to 4+ God lord packs.... it's not happening. There's no point discussing impossible hypotheticals.

Have you considered the possibility that CA might do DLCs other than LPs?
That they could instead pour all recourses into a single update to a single Race?

LPs have been a mainstay thus far but they take a long time and are very restrictive.
The way I see it why couldn't CA just add Valkia, Villich & Festus in One DLC along with Marked warriors for each God exclusive to the Mono Champions.

That potential Format of DLC would work great for the Vampires as well, One Big DLC that adds Neferata, Zacharias & Vorag with The Red Duke made Fully Playable as well.

Warhammer III looks to be an entirely different beast than I or II and I expect Surprises & Curveballs with how things are done at every step.

The amount of mental gymnastics you are going trough to try and give some kind of argument for something that is objectevely not the case, is quite remarkable.

If I end up being Right, Even Partially, You should fully expect me to rub it in all your faces.

I honestly find it quite sad that you people aren't even capable of entertaining a hypothetical and thinking out how it could be done.

mecanojavi99#6562

ScionOfTheEmperor said:

mecanojavi99 said:

ScionOfTheEmperor said:

AxiosXiphos said:

ScionOfTheEmperor said:

AxiosXiphos said:

It's been explained multiple times already; I don't think we needed another thread for this...

No it hasn't.
I know most people deny this as a possibility and they may well be right.
But this thread is about entertaining that possibly and how, if correct, it could be done well.

We aren't getting 4 WoC specific lord packs in addition to 4+ God lord packs.... it's not happening. There's no point discussing impossible hypotheticals.

Have you considered the possibility that CA might do DLCs other than LPs?
That they could instead pour all recourses into a single update to a single Race?

LPs have been a mainstay thus far but they take a long time and are very restrictive.
The way I see it why couldn't CA just add Valkia, Villich & Festus in One DLC along with Marked warriors for each God exclusive to the Mono Champions.

That potential Format of DLC would work great for the Vampires as well, One Big DLC that adds Neferata, Zacharias & Vorag with The Red Duke made Fully Playable as well.

Warhammer III looks to be an entirely different beast than I or II and I expect Surprises & Curveballs with how things are done at every step.

The amount of mental gymnastics you are going trough to try and give some kind of argument for something that is objectevely not the case, is quite remarkable.

If I end up being Right, Even Partially, You should fully expect me to rub it in all your faces.

I honestly find it quite sad that you people aren't even capable of entertaining a hypothetical and thinking out how it could be done.

I have no interest in hypotheticals that have close to 0 chances of happening, I don't think about what I would do if tomorrow the moon crashes into the Earth either.

AxiosXiphos#9040

ScionOfTheEmperor said:

mecanojavi99 said:

ScionOfTheEmperor said:

AxiosXiphos said:

ScionOfTheEmperor said:

AxiosXiphos said:

It's been explained multiple times already; I don't think we needed another thread for this...

No it hasn't.
I know most people deny this as a possibility and they may well be right.
But this thread is about entertaining that possibly and how, if correct, it could be done well.

We aren't getting 4 WoC specific lord packs in addition to 4+ God lord packs.... it's not happening. There's no point discussing impossible hypotheticals.

Have you considered the possibility that CA might do DLCs other than LPs?
That they could instead pour all recourses into a single update to a single Race?

LPs have been a mainstay thus far but they take a long time and are very restrictive.
The way I see it why couldn't CA just add Valkia, Villich & Festus in One DLC along with Marked warriors for each God exclusive to the Mono Champions.

That potential Format of DLC would work great for the Vampires as well, One Big DLC that adds Neferata, Zacharias & Vorag with The Red Duke made Fully Playable as well.

Warhammer III looks to be an entirely different beast than I or II and I expect Surprises & Curveballs with how things are done at every step.

The amount of mental gymnastics you are going trough to try and give some kind of argument for something that is objectevely not the case, is quite remarkable.

If I end up being Right, Even Partially, You should fully expect me to rub it in all your faces.

I honestly find it quite sad that you people aren't even capable of entertaining a hypothetical and thinking out how it could be done.

Because it's just kind of a ridiculous hypothetical is why. We know it's not happening with near certainty. The core races of game 3 do not include WoC; which means it won't get content beyond a possible crossover pack or maybe an FLC.

Djau#5149

If this was true *no* Mono would get a lord pack. There isn't enough Daemons to fill *one* Mono lord pack

Spellbound1875#4610

ScionOfTheEmperor said:

I know this is a controversial topic here but I want you all to grant me this for the sake of argument and speculation.

I am one of the few people who thinks Sotek may be right about the Mono's being Daemons with Mortals to supplement them rather than True Monogods.
Now put aside you personal opinions on that take and Sotek himself an just assume it's accurate, What then?

Myself I can see it going this way:
Valkia, Villich & Festus all added to the Warriors of Chaos Race, All Given unique starts with Archaon, Kholek & Sigvald update in the process with the same unique starts.
From the Wording of older Blogs my assumption is that we'll see each Monogod Warriors Faction under their Named Champion, Such as Villich for Tzeentch will get access to both the Overhauled Warriors Mechanics but also the God Specific Resource and Mechanics, Villich getting Grimoires & Changeling of the Ways for example Sigvald getting Devotees, Valkia Skulls and so on.

I'd also expect them to get big bonusses with the MonoDaemon Races, Sigvald & N'Kari, Festus & Ku'Gath with the exception being bad relations between Valkia & Skarbrand.
I can also see each Mono-Warrior Faction getting unique units from the Mono-Daemons,
Valkia with Skullcrushers, Villich with Doom Knights, Sigvald with Hellstriders and the Unmounted Marauders and something new for Festus, Maybe Rotfly Knights or something.

Again, Just assume this is how things go,
Would you be satisfied?
Would you do things different?

What makes this functionally different from mono-gods? You literally have characters being added to WoC but then given unique start positions and the god specific resource and mechanics. You even suggest they'll get units from the mono-daemons. In this case what is gained by not just releasing them as part of a DLC for the monogod factions who are core rosters for game 3?

If you're a person who believes that marked variants of the entire WoC roster are going to show up they could just as easily be added to the monogod rosters instead of in an update for WoC. And if you're a person who takes CA (and GWs) attempts to differentiate monogod placestyles as indicative that they won't be receiving copy pasted units from the WoC unless the units are appropriate both thematically and in gameplay then you functionally cannot hold this position since its a broad blending of multiple factions that CA (and GW) put a substantial amount of effort in rendering distinct.

This strategy does nothing other than make a bunch of content which reasonably should be for the core races of game three bizarrely part of a DLC for a 5 year old game. Beyond that it weakens the monogods by reducing the number of avaiable legendary lords for core factions. Even if Sigvald is pulled from WoC and moved to Slaanesh it would be trivial to get WoC and Norsca to 4 lords each, whereas the monogod factions have far fewer available options that are either current or not retconned away explicitly.

For the record my opposition to hordes of chaos makes this idea untenable. I would not be satisfied even before getting to the bizarre implementation.

Neodeinos#5871

CA themselves called these races Monogods. I can't understand how this debate even exists.

Bayes#3307

Lets just lay down sole ground rules first. They will never be mono daemons they already have mortals. The only place this mono daemons thing come from that I have seen is from more master of sotek who believes they will not get more units( or something to that effect) that is what this is about, it is a backwards way to get to that conclusion, because otherwise it does not make sence, we already have mortals and quite a few too.

DarthEnderX-#6513

ScionOfTheEmperor said:

I know this is a controversial topic here but I want you all to grant me this for the sake of argument and speculation.

I am one of the few people who thinks Sotek may be right about the Mono's being Daemons with Mortals to supplement them rather than True Monogods.

If they're being supported by mortals, than they aren't Daemons though.

ScionOfTheEmperor said:

Would you be satisfied?

No.

ScionOfTheEmperor said:

Would you do things different?

Yes. I'd make each monogods a full suite of Daemons, Chaos Warriors, Marauders and Beastmen.

Then I'd merge WoC and Norsca into Chaos Undivided.

OdTengri#8235

WHAT IF THE MONOS REALLY ARE MONO-DAEMONS RATHER THAN MONO-GODS?

Than, either

A ) We aren't getting any DLC for the "Mono-Daemons"
-OR-
B ) CA is going to have to invent a lot more Daemons for each of the Gods.

NickCageStoleMyFace#5594

Why is this a separate conversation. If you think they are mono-daemons go vote in the other thread.

duglandtoto#9722

ScionOfTheEmperor said:

From the Wording of older Blogs my assumption is that we'll see each Monogod Warriors Faction under their Named Champion, Such as Villich for Tzeentch will get access to both the Overhauled ..

Mono"demon" Khorne got Warriors of Khorne and Skullcrusher, and mortal units such as minotaurs... Why are you completely ignoring the facts and making assumptions based on something wrong in the first place?

ScionOfTheEmperor#1907

duglandtoto said:

ScionOfTheEmperor said:

From the Wording of older Blogs my assumption is that we'll see each Monogod Warriors Faction under their Named Champion, Such as Villich for Tzeentch will get access to both the Overhauled ..

Mono"demon" Khorne got Warriors of Khorne and Skullcrusher, and mortal units such as minotaurs... Why are you completely ignoring the facts and making assumptions based on something wrong in the first place?

The Mortals are extremely limited and there to supplement the rosters in ways that don't detract from intended playstyles and balance.
Tzeentch with Chosen as a Frontline would be Utterly Broken.

And lest you forget, Nurgle got No Mortals at all baring Forsaken.

Djau#5149

ScionOfTheEmperor said:

duglandtoto said:

ScionOfTheEmperor said:

From the Wording of older Blogs my assumption is that we'll see each Monogod Warriors Faction under their Named Champion, Such as Villich for Tzeentch will get access to both the Overhauled ..

Mono"demon" Khorne got Warriors of Khorne and Skullcrusher, and mortal units such as minotaurs... Why are you completely ignoring the facts and making assumptions based on something wrong in the first place?

The Mortals are extremely limited and there to supplement the rosters in ways that don't detract from intended playstyles and balance.
Tzeentch with Chosen as a Frontline would be Utterly Broken.

And lest you forget, Nurgle got No Mortals at all baring Forsaken.

So Monogods will receive no DLC?

Ludbone#5956

I see.

New Year --- New Anti-Monogods Troll Threads.

Ludbone#5956

What people like the OP with his. . . interesting. . . and smart takes do not understand is that the Monogods are the 4 Races with the real potential for future contents, hence with a huge plethora of units and LL's.
A question for you: why the GW Forum and Reddit keeps posting wishlists of Monogods Contents, while nothing was made for the like of Kislev and Fantasy 3 Kingdoms? Because they have not enough contents from GW sources, novels, fanfictions or else, to even make a single, decent. . . mediocre TBH. . . Lord Pack for both.

A recent thread should have enlighted you already:



Yikes! CA already copy/pasted models in order to complete Kislev, the Fanmade Core. Bad news. . . since if CA is forced to copy/paste models already. . . how can they create a single LP for Fanmade-on-Ice?
The Fanmade Cores, are in such a bad shape. Objectively they have no room for a DLC. . . as sad as this looks like.
I'm confident they have like a couple of Lords, that can be added via FLCs. But in terms of units and sources? Ehhhh.
It's quite amusing how the Novel (Tamurkhan) of one of the so called "Quarter Cores" gave us multiple units of the current Fanmade Core Roster, called Cathay. This tells you alot about the importance of the Monogods (contents and sources included) and the future state of the 2 Fanmades.
Sure, CA can wait another half a decade before creating one mid-sized LP for the Fanmades, by expecting some bones for the two from The Old World. . . hopefully. But I'm afraid CA has not so much time to waste. A couple of FLC Lords for the Fanmades looks the only choice we can hope to see.

Captain_Rex#1635

Did we really need another thread for this?

Fact is that all Daemon units are basically in the game except for Pleasureseekers and Blood Chariots.

We also already know that we have Monogods and not Monodaemons

Ludbone#5956

ArneSo said:

Did we really need another thread for this?

Fact is that all Daemon units are basically in the game except for Pleasureseekers and Blood Chariots.

We also already know that we have Monogods and not Monodaemons

Sadly the OP and a couple of Anti-Monogods users. . .(I'm not acusing them tho. Everyone is free to do whatever he want. Hate is a despicable behaviour but it is not a crime, unless someone use it to commit crimes or injure others). . .failed to understand that the problem is not Chaos, with his huge amount of future contents and inspirations, as demostrated hudreds of time of multiple sites by creating dozens over dozens of lists for Nurgle/Slaanesh/Tzeentch/Korne LP's.

The problem are the Fanmade Cores aka Kislev and Cathay.
Precisely because the Fanmade Cores are going to start small, with redundant copy/pasted units like Armored Kossars and the Guards, the roster-bloating bears or all the Jade Warrior clones. The idea to give them lots of DLC later doesn't really work. It's quite clear that CA and GW ended all their ideas with the base rosters, since a good 65-70% of the units are redundant clones.
A problem that the Monogods do not have to be extremely honest.

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

Neodeinos said:

CA themselves called these races Monogods. I can't understand how this debate even exists.

Pretty much. I don't get it myself.

Crossil#2134

If that's really all CA could do with them, then they wouldn't have been core races.

And no, they're not making a dozen or so lord packs for Warriors of Chaos. They're a Warhammer 1 race, I mean, sure, they will probably get one if not two, but to cover everything that the Monos would bring you would need much more than that.

It's just bizarre that Sotek thinks how Monos are just an add on to the game 3 lineup, and that WoC are gonna be the main focus.

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

Fingolfin_the-Golden said:

I think your take is pretty good.
Some people can’t handle the truth.

Reminds me of that Movie "YOU CAN't HANDLE THE TRUTH".

Anyway, I disagree. If you want we can debate it? To start I point to the Mortals that already exist in Monos.

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

Apologies OP, I didn't read your thread properly. You're assuming that this is the case. Right, I apologize for prior comments, and I'm sorry the thread got instantly derailed, that's not fair on you.

I'd do it like this and use Sigvald as an example.
- Sigsy gets access to all Slaaanesh Demons, and all WoC stuff. Because he's the mortal champion of Slaanesh. It's the funnest option for him, thus it should happen.

As to whether or not I'd be satisfied? Probably not. I'm a fan of Monogods and I want them to get 1-2 Lord Packs each. The way you'd describe we wouldn't get as much content for them which would be bad to my mind at least.