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warriors of chaos should be removed as a faction.

overtaker40#8926overtaker40#8926 Registered Users Posts: 1,428
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Instead for the introduction of the characters from the dlc.

Along side some lord specific mechanics and maybe some unique units. Such as adjusting the roster to be less demon focussed and more warrior focused.

-Archeon should be added to the undivided faction (where I assume belakor will also go) give him special chosen units.

-Kholek should be added to khorne

-Sigvald to Slanesh

And

-Sathorial should go to tzench (let CA make their own character like they did with cylostra)

Could couple that with a flc for Nurgle to keeps those peeps happy.

As long as they are playable and updated I think that will meet any obligation CA has to the people that own the DLC without having to completely overhaul
I like all the races. Equally. Wood elves are just the first among equals.
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  • overtaker40#8926overtaker40#8926 Registered Users Posts: 1,428
    SerPus said:

    overtaker40 said:

    Kholek should be added to khorne

    Is this a bait or medical condition?
    Is he not khorne aligned? I'm not a lore buff I'm here via TW, I just sorta assumed based on what I have seen in these forums
    I like all the races. Equally. Wood elves are just the first among equals.
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  • Neodeinos#5871Neodeinos#5871 Registered Users Posts: 17,256
    no
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  • BjornNorlinder#2423BjornNorlinder#2423 Registered Users Posts: 850
    no
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  • AnnoyedOneEyedGuy#1444AnnoyedOneEyedGuy#1444 Registered Users Posts: 2,488
    edited January 2022
    overtaker40 said:

    SerPus said:

    overtaker40 said:

    Kholek should be added to khorne

    Is this a bait or medical condition?
    Is he not khorne aligned? I'm not a lore buff I'm here via TW, I just sorta assumed based on what I have seen in these forums
    no... he's WoC... i advise you to search Warriors of Chaos lore/units on youtube
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  • Thomashu#5291Thomashu#5291 Registered Users Posts: 533
    HELL NO
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  • OmegaJak#7170OmegaJak#7170 Registered Users Posts: 312
    Absolutely not.
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  • AnnoyedOneEyedGuy#1444AnnoyedOneEyedGuy#1444 Registered Users Posts: 2,488
    gotta say im loving all the "NO" im seeing, this forum has hope
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  • WarlockeWarlocke Registered Users Posts: 4,083
    overtaker40 said:

    SerPus said:

    overtaker40 said:

    Kholek should be added to khorne

    Is this a bait or medical condition?
    Is he not khorne aligned? I'm not a lore buff I'm here via TW, I just sorta assumed based on what I have seen in these forums
    No he isn’t, and this is a terrible idea.
    ò_ó
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  • User_ClueUser_Clue Registered Users Posts: 1,571
    overtaker40 said:

    SerPus said:

    overtaker40 said:

    Kholek should be added to khorne

    Is this a bait or medical condition?
    Is he not khorne aligned? I'm not a lore buff I'm here via TW, I just sorta assumed based on what I have seen in these forums
    There isn't really anything about him to suggest he's aligned with any specific god. In fact, no dragon ogre is allied with any one chaos god. You weren't even allowed to give them marks in TT. Their species just made a pact with chaos when they first appeared. They don't actually worship chaos. In fact, they don't even necessarily like them. They fight to end the world so that their pact can be complete and they can be free from chaos.

    Chaos dwarfs are similar. They don't worship chaos, they just work with them.
    "Daemons are abroad again, and the servants of the foul gods march south with the storm at their backs. But as the winds of magic stir, other powers rise to contest it.
    I have seen the Lady, my brothers. She came to me from the waters and told me of the trials to come. This is why I call you here, so that Her summons may be answered. I call Errantry, a crusade to strike at the heart of the new darkness"

    -- The Lionhearted
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  • Beast_of_Guanyin#8747Beast_of_Guanyin#8747 Registered Users Posts: 44,661
    As a Chaos fan I disagree.

    Archaon should lead the true Undivided Chaos.
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  • MODIDDLY1#9212MODIDDLY1#9212 Registered Users Posts: 2,424
    WoC should not be removed. But they definitely need something to make them stand out better from both Mono's and Norsca, and Norsca needs something to make it more unique from WoC.
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  • ToxicFlames#7892ToxicFlames#7892 Registered Users Posts: 726





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  • overtaker40#8926overtaker40#8926 Registered Users Posts: 1,428
    Alright message received
    I like all the races. Equally. Wood elves are just the first among equals.
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  • Beast_of_Guanyin#8747Beast_of_Guanyin#8747 Registered Users Posts: 44,661
    overtaker40 said:

    Alright message received

    No problemo.
    I am The Beast of Guanyin, The one who beasts 25 hours a day, 8 days a week, Vanilla Gorilla, The great bright delight, Conqueror of Mountains, Purveyor of wisdom, Official forum historian, Master Tamer of energy, the one they fear to name, Beastradamus, The Teacher, Master Unbiased Pollster, The Avatar of Tuesday, Chief hype Train Conductor, Uwu Usurper, Pog Wog Warrior, Poggers Patroller, Alpha of the species, Apex protector, Praetor of Positivity, Drybrush Disciple, Sophisticated Savage.
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  • busbee247#5862busbee247#5862 Registered Users Posts: 1,338
    MODIDDLY1 said:

    WoC should not be removed. But they definitely need something to make them stand out better from both Mono's and Norsca, and Norsca needs something to make it more unique from WoC.

    could they not just combine woc and norsca? roster looks pretty good if you have woc and chosen with dragon ogres backed up skinwolves and mammoths. if you own the woc dlc you get those units and lords, if you own norsca dlc you get those units and lords. its not like the game exists where you could have access to a faction and only half the units *cough skaven cough*

    just kinda seems like the main difference between woc and norsca was that woc was a horde and norsca was settled, if woc is settled idk just mash them together like woc was on tt anyway
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  • WarlockeWarlocke Registered Users Posts: 4,083
    epic_162578572945FgdWSzp said:

    MODIDDLY1 said:

    WoC should not be removed. But they definitely need something to make them stand out better from both Mono's and Norsca, and Norsca needs something to make it more unique from WoC.

    could they not just combine woc and norsca? roster looks pretty good if you have woc and chosen with dragon ogres backed up skinwolves and mammoths. if you own the woc dlc you get those units and lords, if you own norsca dlc you get those units and lords. its not like the game exists where you could have access to a faction and only half the units *cough skaven cough*

    just kinda seems like the main difference between woc and norsca was that woc was a horde and norsca was settled, if woc is settled idk just mash them together like woc was on tt anyway
    In the lore, Norsca is not populated by Warriors of Chaos. It is home to the tribal culture of raiders who worship Chaos because of their proximity to the Chaos Wastes. They should and will remain separate.
    ò_ó
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  • DarthEnderX-#6513DarthEnderX-#6513 Registered Users Posts: 9,296
    edited January 2022
    overtaker40 said:

    warriors of chaos should be removed as a faction.

    No. But they SHOULD be merged with Norsca.
    Post edited by DarthEnderX-#6513 on
    "Assassination's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it."
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  • Yurisusuki#3719Yurisusuki#3719 Registered Users Posts: 1,672
    I think that is pretty weird to have Monogods, WOC and DOC, but well, seens like is working, dont make sense to remove WOC and put their LL on Monogods and DOC, unless WOC and DOC become one race, the true Chaos Undivided.
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  • LennoxPoodle#1380LennoxPoodle#1380 Registered Users Posts: 1,981
    edited January 2022
    Warlocke said:

    epic_162578572945FgdWSzp said:

    MODIDDLY1 said:

    WoC should not be removed. But they definitely need something to make them stand out better from both Mono's and Norsca, and Norsca needs something to make it more unique from WoC.

    could they not just combine woc and norsca? roster looks pretty good if you have woc and chosen with dragon ogres backed up skinwolves and mammoths. if you own the woc dlc you get those units and lords, if you own norsca dlc you get those units and lords. its not like the game exists where you could have access to a faction and only half the units *cough skaven cough*

    just kinda seems like the main difference between woc and norsca was that woc was a horde and norsca was settled, if woc is settled idk just mash them together like woc was on tt anyway
    In the lore, Norsca is not populated by Warriors of Chaos. It is home to the tribal culture of raiders who worship Chaos because of their proximity to the Chaos Wastes. They should and will remain separate.
    Well not exactly afaik. The Chaos Warriors are composed of Norscans, Kurgan, Hung, other Chaos affiliated tribes and worshipers from further south. Basically anyone can be part of them and a Chaos warband can either be from only one of these sources (Monotribe) or an amalgamation united by a succesful leader or something.
    The Norse are "just" one of the northern cultures (or rather a collection of several tribes) that make up the Chaos Marauders from which in turn the majority of Chaos warriors come.
    To summarize: For the most part the WoC are a collection of Chaos worshipping tribes from the north. Norsca mostly represents a subset of those. It's just that in contrast to most they aren't nomadic due to not living in the Chaos Wastes.
    Ofc there also are those norscan tribes who either don't or only unwittingly worship Chaos and the worship of the properly Chaos affiliated ones often is a bit more pragmatic than that of the zealous waste guys. But that isn't really represented in TW.
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  • Bies#4376Bies#4376 Registered Users Posts: 6,246


    "I shivered at the sight of her - her beauty far beyond that of mortal man. But her soul glowed with an inner darkness that chilled my very core."









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  • SerPus#7395SerPus#7395 Registered Users Posts: 11,764
    epic_162578572945FgdWSzp said:

    roster looks pretty good if you have woc and chosen with dragon ogres backed up skinwolves and mammoths

    As WoC you are expected to vassalize Norscan tribes so theoretically you can get some mammoths in your army. Unless you want more than 4 in which case yes, there is a problem.
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  • DarthEnderX-#6513DarthEnderX-#6513 Registered Users Posts: 9,296
    edited January 2022
    Warlocke said:

    In the lore, Norsca is not populated by Warriors of Chaos. It is home to the tribal culture of raiders who worship Chaos because of their proximity to the Chaos Wastes. They should and will remain separate.

    Yes. And in the lore, Clan Skryre and Clan Eshin are two Skaven clans with completely different cultures that live on opposite sides of the planet from each other, but they're still in the same faction.

    WoC and Norsca should be together because they have similar cultures, goals, common leaders, and fight together constantly.

    Norsca is literally "We took half of WoC's potential roster from it, and called it a new faction." Which can be cool provided both factions being split can be turned into something interesting on their own. But WoC ALREADY didn't have much going on to begin with!

    Literally everything that Norsca has other than Fimirs is stuff that should be in WoC.
    "Assassination's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it."
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  • lcmiracle#6727lcmiracle#6727 Registered Users Posts: 1,387
    edited January 2022
    Warlocke said:

    epic_162578572945FgdWSzp said:

    MODIDDLY1 said:

    WoC should not be removed. But they definitely need something to make them stand out better from both Mono's and Norsca, and Norsca needs something to make it more unique from WoC.

    could they not just combine woc and norsca? roster looks pretty good if you have woc and chosen with dragon ogres backed up skinwolves and mammoths. if you own the woc dlc you get those units and lords, if you own norsca dlc you get those units and lords. its not like the game exists where you could have access to a faction and only half the units *cough skaven cough*

    just kinda seems like the main difference between woc and norsca was that woc was a horde and norsca was settled, if woc is settled idk just mash them together like woc was on tt anyway
    In the lore, Norsca is not populated by Warriors of Chaos. It is home to the tribal culture of raiders who worship Chaos because of their proximity to the Chaos Wastes. They should and will remain separate.
    No, woc derive their ranks from the tribes in norsca and the chaos wastes. Wulfrik the wanderer, in case you missed it, is from the tribe of sarl and wore chaos armor -- a chaos warior and a champion of chaos. Sigvald, Valkia, mortkin and even Morkar were also norscans

    The only thing that can said about the norse that can't be about the other chaos marauder tribes is that they happen to be named after the people who historically made up the vikings (raiders from around areas of modern day scandinavia) and people loved vikings

    Perhaps we can get a Konan the Barbarian Dlc for the kurgans and the hungs...
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  • Sir_Godspeed#8395Sir_Godspeed#8395 Registered Users Posts: 3,734
    MODIDDLY1 said:

    WoC should not be removed. But they definitely need something to make them stand out better from both Mono's and Norsca, and Norsca needs something to make it more unique from WoC.

    Chaos Warshrines if nothing else.

    I suppose the Mutalith Vortex Beast would naturally overlap with Tzeentch, and the Slaughterbrute would overlap with Khorne, but on the TT they were WoC exclusive, if I remember correctly??

    Bonegrinder Giant or Ettin?
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  • Captain_Rex#1635Captain_Rex#1635 Registered Users Posts: 42,815
    Sir_Godspeed said:

    MODIDDLY1 said:

    WoC should not be removed. But they definitely need something to make them stand out better from both Mono's and Norsca, and Norsca needs something to make it more unique from WoC.

    Chaos Warshrines if nothing else.

    I suppose the Mutalith Vortex Beast would naturally overlap with Tzeentch, and the Slaughterbrute would overlap with Khorne, but on the TT they were WoC exclusive, if I remember correctly??

    Bonegrinder Giant or Ettin?





    Summon the Elector Counts!
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  • Veldrinar#2882Veldrinar#2882 Registered Users Posts: 929
    What an absolutely terrible take.
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  • HeresyHound#5667HeresyHound#5667 Registered Users Posts: 8,286
    Sir_Godspeed said:

    MODIDDLY1 said:

    WoC should not be removed. But they definitely need something to make them stand out better from both Mono's and Norsca, and Norsca needs something to make it more unique from WoC.

    Chaos Warshrines if nothing else.

    I suppose the Mutalith Vortex Beast would naturally overlap with Tzeentch, and the Slaughterbrute would overlap with Khorne, but on the TT they were WoC exclusive, if I remember correctly??

    Bonegrinder Giant or Ettin?
    I've actually seen Bonegrinder and Ettin suggested for Norsca more than for WoC.

    WoC still has Chimeras, the Warshrine, Chaos Ogres, the big Chaos Spawn, Great Spined Chaos Beasts, Flayerkin, and I'm still partial to adding Daemonic Mounts (the only unlaigned mount missing) and using them to make a unit similar to how Great Stags were treated.

    I suppose the Dreadmaw and the Basilisk could also be used. They are kind of in that awkward space of having no Kinship with anyone in the MA
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