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No warriors of chaos need to stay a distinct faction for the mortal worshipers of chaos. Theres loads of characters and several units that are not god specific that need a home.
I did not say in any way that Warriors of Chaos were not made up of Norscans from within their ranks. I’m not even sure how you read my post to arrive at that misapprehension.
In the lore, Norsca is not populated by Warriors of Chaos. It is home to the tribal culture of raiders who worship Chaos because of their proximity to the Chaos Wastes. They should and will remain separate.
Yes. And in the lore, Clan Skryre and Clan Eshin are two Skaven clans with completely different cultures that live on opposite sides of the planet from each other, but they're still in the same faction.
WoC and Norsca should be together because they have similar cultures, goals, common leaders, and fight together constantly.
Norsca is literally "We took half of WoC's potential roster from it, and called it a new faction." Which can be cool provided both factions being split can be turned into something interesting on their own. But WoC ALREADY didn't have much going on to begin with!
Literally everything that Norsca has other than Fimirs is stuff that should be in WoC.
They live on opposite sides of the planet. So should Clan Eshin be placed in Clan Skyre’s starting location? If you think the answer is no, then your analogy has failed in its purpose.
This is a bad idea it would not sit well with the fans. But I will say that undivided now being a thing makes this all very confusing.
How is it confusing?
Because monogods + undivided are defined by what diety they follow, while beastmen and WoC are defined by the old chaos "species". It is inconsistent, and should not Archeon lead undivided chaos and not warriors?
This is a bad idea it would not sit well with the fans. But I will say that undivided now being a thing makes this all very confusing.
How is it confusing?
Because monogods + undivided are defined by what diety they follow, while beastmen and WoC are defined by the old chaos "species". It is inconsistent, and should not Archeon lead undivided chaos and not warriors?
I think! archeon, will get a proper outpust system for chaos races, so he not do one of demon prince, more of he units all chaos under one banner.
That is the weird part indeed, but they also are not daemons of chaos, so that is why I am so confused.
They got a couple of mortals units and every daemon. They are simply DoC+.
I think it is pretty telling the MP roster is only daemons. The MP roster is daemons of chaos, the campaign roster is not. Which is why they are called chaos undivided in the trailer.
Anyway it is semantics, it is not the chaos "species" sorting anyway.
That is the weird part indeed, but they also are not daemons of chaos, so that is why I am so confused.
They got a couple of mortals units and every daemon. They are simply DoC+.
I think it is pretty telling the MP roster is only daemons. The MP roster is daemons of chaos, the campaign roster is not. Which is why they are called chaos undivided in the trailer.
Anyway it is semantics, it is not the chaos "species" sorting anyway.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that gaining the mortal followers is more of a Godslayer thing and Be'lakor if ever added as his own campaign start will have a roster like the MP one.
Which is why they are called chaos undivided in the trailer.
CA refered to monogod races as "daemons" multiple time, so I don't think that it matters how they are called outside the game itself. After all, DoC are also Chaos Undivided in the sense that it combines all the alligments. What matters is that by calling them "Daemons of Chaos" in the game CA showed that they are a separate thing from WoC.
That is the weird part indeed, but they also are not daemons of chaos, so that is why I am so confused.
They got a couple of mortals units and every daemon. They are simply DoC+.
I think it is pretty telling the MP roster is only daemons. The MP roster is daemons of chaos, the campaign roster is not. Which is why they are called chaos undivided in the trailer.
Anyway it is semantics, it is not the chaos "species" sorting anyway.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that gaining the mortal followers is more of a Godslayer thing and Be'lakor if ever added as his own campaign start will have a roster like the MP one.
That would make sense, another thing I think would make sense is that the godslayer will not get mortals at launch? idk.
Which is why they are called chaos undivided in the trailer.
CA refered to monogod races as "daemons" multiple time, so I don't think that it matters how they are called outside the game itself. After all, DoC are also Chaos Undivided in the sense that it combines all the alligments. What matters is that by calling them "Daemons of Chaos" in the game CA showed that they are a separate thing from WoC.
idk what you think I am implying? I am just pointing out that it is messy.
Beastmen, WoC and DoC are the types, and undivided, khorne, slaanesh, nurgle and tzeentch are the alignments. But now we have this weird DoC thing which is sorted by alignment. Imagine both the undivded and undivided light but mainly daemons together that would be really weird.
Imagine both the undivded and undivided light but mainly daemons together that would be really weird.
We have undivided(focused on mortals) and undivided(focused on daemons).
Yes we do, but we also have. Undivided (purely mortals) and undivided(also mortals). That is the problem. It is a bit like having daemons and humans in the beastmen army.
That is the weird part indeed, but they also are not daemons of chaos, so that is why I am so confused.
They got a couple of mortals units and every daemon. They are simply DoC+.
I think it is pretty telling the MP roster is only daemons. The MP roster is daemons of chaos, the campaign roster is not. Which is why they are called chaos undivided in the trailer.
Anyway it is semantics, it is not the chaos "species" sorting anyway.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that gaining the mortal followers is more of a Godslayer thing and Be'lakor if ever added as his own campaign start will have a roster like the MP one.
I think this is fairly likely tbh - as he wouldn’t be customisable it wouldn’t make sense to have the customisation page that is what determines what units you can recruit (and Be’lakor shouldn’t get to dedicate himself to a single god anyway). Having slightly less units total in return for less restrictive selections seems fair tbh.
Because WoC that we currently have were made 6 years ago and they weren't updated yet. So rather than thinking how new races will fit in something that was established in TWW1, we should consider how updated WoC would fit in realities of TWW3.
Because WoC that we currently have were made 6 years ago and they weren't updated yet. So rather than thinking how new races will fit in something that was established in TWW1, we should consider how updated WoC would fit in realities of TWW3.
I think that is fair, then atleast it would be consistent. Would like them all to mix together more then?
I did not say in any way that Warriors of Chaos were not made up of Norscans from within their ranks. I’m not even sure how you read my post to arrive at that misapprehension.
You wrote Norsca was not populated by WoCs, which it was -- it might not be all WoCs, but WoCs lived there. Just by the story of Wulfrik it's clear there were WoCs who lived as Chaos Lords and champions. The Norscans weren't just worshippers of WoCs, WoCs were also norscans. No one misinterpreted you.
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0 · Disagree AgreeBeastmen, WoC and DoC are the types, and undivided, khorne, slaanesh, nurgle and tzeentch are the alignments. But now we have this weird DoC thing which is sorted by alignment. Imagine both the undivded and undivided light but mainly daemons together that would be really weird.
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1 · Disagree 1AgreeYou wrote Norsca was not populated by WoCs, which it was -- it might not be all WoCs, but WoCs lived there. Just by the story of Wulfrik it's clear there were WoCs who lived as Chaos Lords and champions. The Norscans weren't just worshippers of WoCs, WoCs were also norscans. No one misinterpreted you.
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