Is it fair to treat Warhammer 3 and Elden Ring as competitor products?

XxXScorpionXxX#2310

One is a turned based strategy game with RTS battles. The other is an open world action RPG with multiplayer elements.

They're technically not the same genre and to the extent they compete with each other they also compete with new movies at the theater or shows on TV or any form of entertainment.

Yet I have noticed a big overlap between WH3 and ER players. A lot of people I know on Steam who I friended in WH2 are playing ER. Maybe it's the fantasy setting. That's what initially drew me to both games.

The reason I ask is because a lot of people are counting the number of players on Steam and comparing to ER numbers. A lot of people are saying that we need to wait for Immortal Empires before we can really judge.

I think in principle its fair to compare the two. They have a lot of stuff that's comparable. Both use Denuvo, have optimization problems at launch, same amount of Dev time, have a fantasy world and generally are regarded as triple A games. I think it's fair to call them direct competitors even.

Surge_2#1464

No, one is a mainstream game.

davedave1124#4773

The amount of players on Elden Ring compared to WH3 in reference to information about either is the square root of sweet FA.

Mr_Finley7#4571

Lol no. Plus from what I hear Elden Ring isn’t riddled with bugs and features that the player base hates

Mtnoma#1349

For me it was, because once I played Warhammer 3 and realized how much of a **** it is, there was no reason to play it anymore when Elden Ring was on the horizon. Plus even though ER has some problems on my machine, it's so polished that I don't see myself coming back to Warhammer when Immortal drops.

I don't think I'm an outlier for liking both these games, but it's probably an uncommon occurrence since most people who play ER probably aren't interested in a RTS game.

IamNotArobot#8850

no, elden ring is just anotger souls game, twitchers love to flex with it. TW WH is a niche game with a complex lore you gotta deep die in to understand.

From far it looks like colorful demons/monsters fighting knights and dinosaurs

Mr_Finley7#4571

IamNotArobot said:

no, elden ring is just anotger souls game, twitchers love to flex with it. TW WH is a niche game with a complex lore you gotta deep die in to understand.

From far it looks like colorful demons/monsters fighting knights and dinosaurs

No one (including GW) but some of us on these forums give half a **** about the lore.

Reeks#2417

Naa i hate arcade combat

Would never even contemplate buying elden ring

I bought one of the darksouls games played it for 20minutes and uninstalled it.

I was stupid enough to buy The Witcher 3 after that experience

Horrible horrible arcadish combat

davedave1124#4773

Elden Ring is the biggest launch non-FIFA type game since Red Dead.

It’s a quality game in its own right (see the Skill Up (review), but it has nothing to do with TW.

1v0#3562

Nop

One is finished the other is not... *crikets sound*

OK ok -different games categories- one is a strategly = nish , the other studio created a new categorie of games "soulsborne" !

Thou about the joke above it's kinda true, I have Elden ring I have been playing it almost non-stop past few days, yea it had problems (mainly the stutters) but one patch later - 1 days after launch - and 80-90 % of the stutters are gone for me ! While WH3.... well... do i really need to comment and explain on it ?

OH LOL there is a patch even today that helps even more with the stutters (i saw it while writing this comment) !!!

-Fixed an issue where the graphics card was not being used, resulting in slow performance.

So yea for me Elden ring as a product is hands down better in all - patching, finished game, i'm playing it for longer without begin bored/annoyed, the game offers more content and more.

I can't compare them simply because I think one is finished and the other is unfinished, the fact that I played WH3 for 3 days and stoped (today even deleted it) while I'm still playing Elden ring...
As products Elden ring is simply better !

Maybe when WH3 is fixed and IE is out - then I would prefer WH3 (it will have more replayability for me). But for now ...

LegendaryArticuno#9965

People who don't think Elden Ring as a competitor are close minded small thinkers.

There's a reason why Netflix told their investors they saw Fornite as a bigger threat than HBO Max and other streamers.

Surge_2#1464

LegendaryArticuno said:

People who don't think Elden Ring as a competitor are close minded small thinkers.

There's a reason why Netflix told their investors they saw Fornite as a bigger threat than HBO Max and other streamers.

I think you may misunderstand why some of us dont see it as a competition...

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

LegendaryArticuno said:

People who don't think Elden Ring as a competitor are close minded small thinkers.

There's a reason why Netflix told their investors they saw Fornite as a bigger threat than HBO Max and other streamers.

Netflix's share price is down 40% this year. Not sure I'd cite them as excellent business people.

Vildvarg

Is it fair? That's an odd question. It definitely isn't a one to one and I'd definitely say at the very least it's comparing oranges to mandarins. Wait, that's a poor comparison, mandarins WRECK oranges.. Uh.. It's fruit, that's what I'm saying, it's all fruit.

Wyvax#7456

As completely different types of games, no they aren't competitors.

But by the virtue of both being very big games anticipated for several years and released within one week of each other? Then yes, they absolutely are competitors in that sense.

It's similar to movie releases. A Pixar film isn't competing against an action film, it's competing with films from other animation studios, but if said Pixar film happens to come out the same week as some big blockbuster action movie, then no matter how good it is on it's own merits or how different the two are, it's going to lose potential viewers. You can only watch one movie at a time, likewise most people will attempt to playthrough a single game at a time.

harngerstein#5553

Guys, I think the serious question we need to be asking is if we should be comparing Warhammer 3 to the next open-world Ubisoft release

Eldrick#6807

I would be playing both, only I haven’t bought TWW3 because of CA’s poor game release track record. I am enjoying a very polished Elden Ring however (Xbox).

The games aren’t really comparable, however I like both genres albeit I am less of a twitch fan, more an open fantasy world fan with rpg elements.

So far I give Elden ring 8/10, and going by impressions on this forum if I had bought it, TWW3 would score a 4/10. I would be bitterly disappointed I feel.

Nyxilis#3646

Never understand half the time when someone starts talking about games coming out that will rival this one!

99% of them have nothing to do with Total Warhammer style of game. They're either not RTS or not even an over map empire builder.

Because this is not the first title someone was pimping about competition.. that is nothing like Total Warhammer. Not even in the same genre of games. Elden Ring and Total Warhammer do not compete for most of the same fan base.

Then for those fans that do overlap unless you're just don't have the budget you'll get both at some point. Imagine most have the budget eventually. If not today another one of them will come next month.

And even then, Elden Ring isn't a game that a lot repeatedly come back to. Some loyal forever fans sure, but I notice a game like Civilization, Stellaris, and Total War titles tend to have people come back to them. I stopped and restarted Warhammer 2 so very many times as another game popped up or my schedule got to busy to manage it and the MMO I play. Then I finish that game, schedule clears up, today I come back to Total Warhammer.

So many better questions to ask.

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

Elden Ring is competition for me at least. I'm gone buy that game and play the heck out of it.

It's competition in the sense that every entertainment is competition to every other entertainment. Otherwise no.

Clsmith88#2385

Vanilla_Gorilla said:

Elden Ring is competition for me at least. I'm gone buy that game and play the heck out of it.

It's competition in the sense that every entertainment is competition to every other entertainment. Otherwise no.

Hell yeah bro its an awesome game, I hope you enjoy it and don't suffer any issues. Also hope @Wyvax is able to enjoy it as well now, since iirc, issues were making it unplayable for them. It's still on sale on Fanatical.com for around $50 USD if you're looking to save. I shelved WH3 for ER and have been enjoying myself immensely, and it's certainly a great way to kill time before IE releases.

Nihtantuel#8237

Whether or not it fare - is not a correct question to ask.

It is at the moment for a lot of people who can only dedicate so much time to play games they care about. I personally don't like souls-likes - so for me it is not. I am actually playing Hitman 3 due to a number of reasons, such as - there was a sale on Steam, WH3 sucks at the moment due to poor optimization, I don't want to play the stupid realms of chaos campaign and Hitman 3 is genuinely great game. Does it make sense to compare these 2? No, of course not.

WH will win in the long run anyway.

Warfield#9043

That’s like comparing shredded cheese to a knight move to rook 5. Two totally different things. Quit being such a debcale.

Processing#6286

Reeks said:

Naa i hate arcade combat

Would never even contemplate buying elden ring

I bought one of the darksouls games played it for 20minutes and uninstalled it.

I was stupid enough to buy The Witcher 3 after that experience

Horrible horrible arcadish combat

I can get behind the combat, but in terms of story, The Witcher trilogy has one of the best stories in gaming history.

I would also like to remind you that The Witcher 3 was one of the most successful games of the decade, together with games like Minecraft, GTA 5 and Skyrim.

You are making a huge mistake by missing out on it.

FerdiadLives#3307

No. They are two different markets completely.

Bloodydagger#9716

Nope. They each target different audiences.

Blaced

Mr_Finley7 said:

Lol no. Plus from what I hear Elden Ring isn’t riddled with bugs and features that the player base hates

To be fair, Elder Ring is poorly optimized and received huge negative reviews on steam when it was first released

Wyvax#7456

Clsmith88 said:

Vanilla_Gorilla said:

Elden Ring is competition for me at least. I'm gone buy that game and play the heck out of it.

It's competition in the sense that every entertainment is competition to every other entertainment. Otherwise no.

Hell yeah bro its an awesome game, I hope you enjoy it and don't suffer any issues. Also hope @Wyvax is able to enjoy it as well now, since iirc, issues were making it unplayable for them. It's still on sale on Fanatical.com for around $50 USD if you're looking to save. I shelved WH3 for ER and have been enjoying myself immensely, and it's certainly a great way to kill time before IE releases.

Had to bring resolution down to 720, but that fixed the frame rate problem and invisible enemies oddly enough. The minimum requirements are bonkers for what it is and I didn't realize I fell short, but at the moment I'm able to get by and have fun. Humanity Kroxigoranity restored.

Mikobot#5742

Different target audiences. The hint regarding that is TWW is a strategy game, something that will ALWAYS be niche. Doesn't matter if it's Fire Emblem, Starcraft, Warcraft (not the MMO), Supreme Commander, Hearts of Iron, Stellaris, Crusader Kings, Victoria, Halo Wars, Command & Conquer, XCOM, Valkyria Chronicles, Templar Battleforce, Dawn of War, Wargame, Gladius, Civilization, Humankind, Sins of a Solar Empire, Northgard, Pikmin, Age of Empires, Endless Legend, Endless Space, Age of Wonders, etc etc etc. All forever niche.

Mr_Finley7#4571

Blaced said:

Mr_Finley7 said:

Lol no. Plus from what I hear Elden Ring isn’t riddled with bugs and features that the player base hates

To be fair, Elder Ring is poorly optimized and received huge negative reviews on steam when it was first released

I don’t know about PC, but I know three people who play it on console who say it’s literally everything they hoped it would be

Anthonyb6001

I think so, I have 2500+ hours in wh2, had a spare £50 the other week and had to decide, buy wh3 or wait 4 days for Elden Ring. So for me they were competing

lcmiracle#6727

I'd say, they are certainly competiting for my gaming hours atm and I know which one's getting played for the next forseeable months. As for if they should be considered direct competitors, no; but the total amount of market potential is not unlimited -- surely there's not a huge playerbase willing to bankrupt themselves buying ever single release ever.