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Thank you to the community for showing they won't accept full price early access releases anymore.

Mazisky#3267Mazisky#3267 Registered Users Posts: 1,218
edited March 11 in General Discussion
I really love this series. I've spent hundreds of hours modding the game because the Total War Warhammer franchise is one of the best strategy game ever made.

As many others, I've invested time, effort and money into this series, I've bought every game and DLCs.

Warhammer 3 has a huge potential, but at the moment it is spoiled by many issues and problems, most of which could have been avoided by delaying the game in order to provide more work and polish.

This is a common trend in the industry, where publishers feel extremely confortable in releasing their games full price in an unfinished state.

I was incredibly suprised by the negative reaction from the community, it feels like consumers are finally tired to be threated as beta testers and they begin to voice their opposition.

There are no excuses for Creative Assembly, some of the issues are extremely easy to notice and big enough to pretend they didn't know.

Thank you for all the players that made very clear they won't accept this kind of behaviour, keep voicing your concern and do not get intimidated by those who blindly defend those anti-consumer praticses for no other reason than blind fanatism.

I encourage you to keep writing about all the issues, bugs and problems incessantly until they get fixed, but remember to do it in a costructive manner and without insulting anyone.

I am very proud of this community
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  • Vanilla_Gorilla#8529Vanilla_Gorilla#8529 Registered Users Posts: 39,110
    Haha. No.

    The game is on a factual level not in an early access state.
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  • ChristianSparta#2551ChristianSparta#2551 Registered Users Posts: 251
    Proud of the community that complains and then buys all the games and DLCs even if they are broken?
  • Bayes#3307Bayes#3307 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 5,015
    There is a golden mean between being negative and positive that this forum really have trouble finding.
  • TicladesignTicladesign Registered Users Posts: 124
    It's not in early access. What is clear however, that the "Work from home" due to the Coofh has provided some challenges to make games, which is understandable. CA isn't the only company that had to deal with this, and we will see products coming out all having some issues due to this. With time WH3 will become the game as it was intended. Just be patient and understand that the work from home situation wasn't easy on gaming companies, be it big or small.
  • Ghettobible#3796Ghettobible#3796 Registered Users Posts: 323
    I've seen worse releases but yes, consumers need to stand up for what they think is right.

    That being said I don't regret my purchase and it's a lesson to be learned for CA.
  • 445Aas#5515445Aas#5515 Registered Users Posts: 412
    Bah.

    With every pre-orderd Game that ends up beeing trash people complain and an outrage develops, consumers promise to never pre-order again after beeing tricked the 10th time into bying unfinished buggy products.

    And than the cycle repeats.

    People will not stop bying undeveloped garbage and beeing lied to by marketing and they won't stop because of Warhammer 3.

    I would also like to mention that I don't think Warhammer 3 is that Bad. It is not optimal, with annoying game design and Buggy. But it is not in the same level as other modern dumpster fire Games.

    But people are not suddenly going self aware.

    The next CD Project Red Game will be bought again because people will say "they have learned their Lessons, CD Project Red are actually good Guys, they won't do it again, THIS time they will make a good Game".

    Battlefield, Call of Duty... it doesn't matter.
    Gaming is a modern industry and all it wants is your Money. There are no good Guys or perfect Studios, every Game can and will be **** up.

    Just inform yourself, think about what you want to spend your money on and then do what you want. But don't be surprised when you get lied to.
  • KronusXKronusX Registered Users Posts: 2,464
    All I have to say is this: 5 growth to all provinces Tech.

    #blame Covid, #Spaghetti code, #CaSmallIndieDev
  • Mazisky#3267Mazisky#3267 Registered Users Posts: 1,218

    It's not in early access. What is clear however, that the "Work from home" due to the Coofh has provided some challenges to make games, which is understandable. CA isn't the only company that had to deal with this, and we will see products coming out all having some issues due to this. With time WH3 will become the game as it was intended. Just be patient and understand that the work from home situation wasn't easy on gaming companies, be it big or small.

    Agreed, Creative Assembly showed in the past with Rome 2 that without Covid they can release their flagship title in a much better state.

  • Djau#5149Djau#5149 Registered Users Posts: 12,145
    Mazisky said:

    It's not in early access. What is clear however, that the "Work from home" due to the Coofh has provided some challenges to make games, which is understandable. CA isn't the only company that had to deal with this, and we will see products coming out all having some issues due to this. With time WH3 will become the game as it was intended. Just be patient and understand that the work from home situation wasn't easy on gaming companies, be it big or small.

    Agreed, Creative Assembly showed in the past with Rome 2 that without Covid they can release their flagship title in a much better state.

    Were you really there when Rome 2 released?

  • Reeks#2417Reeks#2417 Registered Users Posts: 10,251
    Thank you?

    99% of this community pre-ordered or bought the game at release and will in all likelyhood do the same when the next DLC/Game releases...



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  • The_LawlessThe_Lawless Registered Users Posts: 53
    You don’t get many companies that show you the full game before release. We all knew what the deal was before it came out, story, rifts, multiplayer. Bugs an all!

    They had pretty much everything on the table. I think they gave most consumers a good representation of the final product. This can’t be said for other games companies, CDPR and EA just a few.

    If people chose to pre order then that is the issue. Don’t pre order games until you are satisfied. But instead we worry to much what a YouTuber says who has played thousands of hours of the game. Playing it everyday clearly burned out, it’s just not realistic
  • davedave1124#4773davedave1124#4773 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 21,375
    I can confirm I bought the game early and still enjoying and yes, I'll be pre ordering all DLC.
  • ammo2095#8079ammo2095#8079 Registered Users Posts: 1,548
    edited March 10
    I do believe, that some people reached a certain point, where they've complained so much they're done with the exercise...and stopped pre-ordering anything altogether. Only some people though.

    No, I'm not one of them, but I don't like to complain. The point simply being, the people that haven't pre ordered are way ahead of you.

    It also strikes me that you refer to someone that values this industry simply because they like the games a blind fanatic xD I think its you that's blind, because you're oblivious to the facts.
  • Madi92#4307Madi92#4307 Registered Users Posts: 66
    My only fear, that CA will be discouraged by this negativity and they will think, that supporting the game will be not worth.

    I dont play the game for now, but i didn'nt played WH2 Vortex either. I also find it hard to play vanila, as i played WH2 heavily moded, and i cant stand to play without some core mods.

    That said, i did play some of it.
    It HAS problems, but not on the level as this forum shows. I have a decent PC, and the game runs good.
    I dont like the narrative campaing, but no matter what, i wouldn't like it either way.

    For me, i see two big problems, that i would like to change.

    The mid battle tower building.
    Which i could accept, if you would have to have nearby units to build it or something, but this is, as is, just to arcady for my taste.

    And the instant attrition for defenders bothers me somewhat.

    I have more problems, but i had those problems whit WH2 also, and modders will solve it.


  • DurinelminpietraDurinelminpietra Registered Users Posts: 273
    Nah, I pre-ordered to have ogres since the beginning without having to wait a year for a sale. I enjoyed my first campaign, which didn't have any gamebreaking bug, but found soul race too much diffult so I will wait few weeks for some gameplay tweak to better enjoy that narrative. It's fine. Also, I don't think that a delate would have influenced the rift problem. They had to see community reaction to it first.
  • Eldrick#6807Eldrick#6807 Registered Users Posts: 785
    The writing was on the wall. I haven’t bought the game yet and am pretty disappointed they stuffed this up royally.

    It will take a good run of reliable releases before I am back in CA’s camp.
  • Djau#5149Djau#5149 Registered Users Posts: 12,145
    Mazisky said:

    It's not in early access. What is clear however, that the "Work from home" due to the Coofh has provided some challenges to make games, which is understandable. CA isn't the only company that had to deal with this, and we will see products coming out all having some issues due to this. With time WH3 will become the game as it was intended. Just be patient and understand that the work from home situation wasn't easy on gaming companies, be it big or small.

    Agreed, Creative Assembly showed in the past with Rome 2 that without Covid they can release their flagship title in a much better state.

    Were you really there when Rome 2 released?
    Madi92 said:

    My only fear, that CA will be discouraged by this negativity and they will think, that supporting the game will be not worth.

    I dont play the game for now, but i didn'nt played WH2 Vortex either. I also find it hard to play vanila, as i played WH2 heavily moded, and i cant stand to play without some core mods.

    That said, i did play some of it.
    It HAS problems, but not on the level as this forum shows. I have a decent PC, and the game runs good.
    I dont like the narrative campaing, but no matter what, i wouldn't like it either way.

    For me, i see two big problems, that i would like to change.

    The mid battle tower building.
    Which i could accept, if you would have to have nearby units to build it or something, but this is, as is, just to arcady for my taste.

    And the instant attrition for defenders bothers me somewhat.

    I have more problems, but i had those problems whit WH2 also, and modders will solve it.


    They'll wait to see reception with the first couple of DLCs, like 3Kingdoms. The best thing for us is there is no other Total War game out being supported that could compete with it.

  • GettoGecko#7861GettoGecko#7861 Registered Users Posts: 1,684
    I'm definitivly not happy with the state of the game but all problems I have with the game are based on design and balance decisions they made which for me makes the game less fun.
    Yet they made these decisions by choice not because they didn't had enough time, so no it isn't early access.
    The game is great under the hood and the main issues I have only became clear after dozend of hours gameplay and the initial experience was a blast. The problem is that all the stuff that makes it so flashy and amazing the first 20-30hrs are causing the problem of it not being enjoyable for a longer period of time.
    So they made the decision to design the game in a way that leaves an impressive first impression but than the stuff like buff/tech balance, AR, soul race, minor settlements, rifts and so on makes the game incredibly repetitive that the long term enjoyment takes a massive hit.
  • KhahirrKhahirr Registered Users Posts: 14
    Djau said:

    Mazisky said:

    It's not in early access. What is clear however, that the "Work from home" due to the Coofh has provided some challenges to make games, which is understandable. CA isn't the only company that had to deal with this, and we will see products coming out all having some issues due to this. With time WH3 will become the game as it was intended. Just be patient and understand that the work from home situation wasn't easy on gaming companies, be it big or small.

    Agreed, Creative Assembly showed in the past with Rome 2 that without Covid they can release their flagship title in a much better state.

    Were you really there when Rome 2 released?
    I think he's being facetious. The reality is that this situation has nothing to do with covid or wfh and everything to do with either lack of QA or overly aggressive deadlines with far too lenient product managers. As someone in tech, we've been in this situation for two years now. If you don't have your **** together you're doing something wrong. Can't keep using covid conditions as an excuse when it is basically the new norm, not to mention plenty of companies are NOT having these issues. The way the game was marketed during the development cycle should have been an indication that things were not going well.

    In addition, February was not the month to release the game, especially in this state. I guarantee at least 20% of the drop in player count can be accounted to Elden Ring releasing a week later (or at least that's where most of my time has gone, which is sad because I was way more hyped for TWW3).
  • Djau#5149Djau#5149 Registered Users Posts: 12,145
    They'll change around the rifts probably, same way Regional Occupation got removed. People HATED that.

  • Surge_2#1464Surge_2#1464 Registered Users Posts: 11,818
    Reeks said:

    Thank you?

    99% of this community pre-ordered or bought the game at release and will in all likelyhood do the same when the next DLC/Game releases...

    Jokes on CA, I only play Warhammer. There wont be another game of their's which I will buy.
    Kneel

  • KronusXKronusX Registered Users Posts: 2,464
    Khahirr said:

    Djau said:

    Mazisky said:

    It's not in early access. What is clear however, that the "Work from home" due to the Coofh has provided some challenges to make games, which is understandable. CA isn't the only company that had to deal with this, and we will see products coming out all having some issues due to this. With time WH3 will become the game as it was intended. Just be patient and understand that the work from home situation wasn't easy on gaming companies, be it big or small.

    Agreed, Creative Assembly showed in the past with Rome 2 that without Covid they can release their flagship title in a much better state.

    Were you really there when Rome 2 released?
    I think he's being facetious. The reality is that this situation has nothing to do with covid or wfh and everything to do with either lack of QA or overly aggressive deadlines with far too lenient product managers. As someone in tech, we've been in this situation for two years now. If you don't have your **** together you're doing something wrong. Can't keep using covid conditions as an excuse when it is basically the new norm, not to mention plenty of companies are NOT having these issues. The way the game was marketed during the development cycle should have been an indication that things were not going well.

    In addition, February was not the month to release the game, especially in this state. I guarantee at least 20% of the drop in player count can be accounted to Elden Ring releasing a week later (or at least that's where most of my time has gone, which is sad because I was way more hyped for TWW3).
    This is what tilts me honestly, the fact many people defend CA's with the usual ''COVID'' bs excuse.

    ''The game is bad because of COVID''

    Right because COVID somehow nerfed tech trees, COVID screwed the campaign mechanics, COVID is the big bad wolf of this situation.

    Then you realize that game 2 came 5 years ago and that COVID started in 2020 plus on top of that WH3 has a lot of assets from WH2.
  • Tennisgolfboll#5877Tennisgolfboll#5877 Registered Users Posts: 13,283

    It's not in early access. What is clear however, that the "Work from home" due to the Coofh has provided some challenges to make games, which is understandable. CA isn't the only company that had to deal with this, and we will see products coming out all having some issues due to this. With time WH3 will become the game as it was intended. Just be patient and understand that the work from home situation wasn't easy on gaming companies, be it big or small.

    This is my hope. The absolute horror show that is wh3 is due to covid and working from home and now CA will fix the game over the coming years
    It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
  • Tennisgolfboll#5877Tennisgolfboll#5877 Registered Users Posts: 13,283
    KronusX said:

    Khahirr said:

    Djau said:

    Mazisky said:

    It's not in early access. What is clear however, that the "Work from home" due to the Coofh has provided some challenges to make games, which is understandable. CA isn't the only company that had to deal with this, and we will see products coming out all having some issues due to this. With time WH3 will become the game as it was intended. Just be patient and understand that the work from home situation wasn't easy on gaming companies, be it big or small.

    Agreed, Creative Assembly showed in the past with Rome 2 that without Covid they can release their flagship title in a much better state.

    Were you really there when Rome 2 released?
    I think he's being facetious. The reality is that this situation has nothing to do with covid or wfh and everything to do with either lack of QA or overly aggressive deadlines with far too lenient product managers. As someone in tech, we've been in this situation for two years now. If you don't have your **** together you're doing something wrong. Can't keep using covid conditions as an excuse when it is basically the new norm, not to mention plenty of companies are NOT having these issues. The way the game was marketed during the development cycle should have been an indication that things were not going well.

    In addition, February was not the month to release the game, especially in this state. I guarantee at least 20% of the drop in player count can be accounted to Elden Ring releasing a week later (or at least that's where most of my time has gone, which is sad because I was way more hyped for TWW3).
    This is what tilts me honestly, the fact many people defend CA's with the usual ''COVID'' bs excuse.

    ''The game is bad because of COVID''

    Right because COVID somehow nerfed tech trees, COVID screwed the campaign mechanics, COVID is the big bad wolf of this situation.

    Then you realize that game 2 came 5 years ago and that COVID started in 2020 plus on top of that WH3 has a lot of assets from WH2.
    There is always hope that something stopped CA.

    Covid?
    New bad management?
    Loss of key people?

    And all of it could change.

    There is hope.
    It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
  • Fingolfin_the-Golden#2157Fingolfin_the-Golden#2157 Registered Users Posts: 6,646
    What?
    I will throw money at ca for anything Warhammer related.
    Day 1.
    BEARS, Beets, Battlestar Galactica 🧝‍♀️ Pandas too please CA!
  • Fingolfin_the-Golden#2157Fingolfin_the-Golden#2157 Registered Users Posts: 6,646
    Reeks said:

    Thank you?

    99% of this community pre-ordered or bought the game at release and will in all likelyhood do the same when the next DLC/Game releases...

    Yep, it’s the best way.
    BEARS, Beets, Battlestar Galactica 🧝‍♀️ Pandas too please CA!
  • ammo2095#8079ammo2095#8079 Registered Users Posts: 1,548

    What?
    I will throw money at ca for anything Warhammer related.
    Day 1.

    It's a nice trilogy overall, isn't it? besides ALL the bad releases, bugs, glitches etc.
  • Atlas94Atlas94 Registered Users Posts: 29
    I don't know how long you've been around, but this is a repetitive cycle. CA releases a game that feels like it's still in beta, people get mad, CA usually fixes things to some extent (modders also help), people forgive them, CA does it again, and the cycle repeats. I've been playing since Rome 1, and I've seen this cycle repeat several times.

    However, I don't think this is necessarily the issue with WH3. I've experienced bugs, but nothing that has deterred me from playing. The two things I notice most are the game design decisions and the issues with graphics optimization, most likely relating to their engine being outdated. I don't know how many updates their engine has received, but as far as I know it's still the TW 3 engine, which has been in use since Empire.

    The game design decisions are what really get me. They're why I blame the management because they likely had to sign off on what was in the game. The game doesn't necessarily feel like a beta, more so it feels like bad design decisions were made. I can see why people say it feels like a beta due to the lack of content though.
  • xDEMOSxxDEMOSx Registered Users Posts: 1,345
    Most people think that deceiving others always works the same way, like they will always have the same reaction, in fact that's not how it works.
    Sometimes it only takes a drop to overflow a full glass.

    I see that there was a very strong breaking point in the community, the reddit that was always calmer than the forum imploded in discontent.

    None of this was supposed to be happening, things are so simple to solve, what a pity, this studio doesn't have a managers good enough competence to try bigger things.

    If it wasn't for the Warhammer IP behind it, and an organic community that was built around it, oblivious to CA's neglect, this would be a pretty violent flop.


  • SneedGamingSneedGaming Registered Users Posts: 326

    Haha. No.

    The game is on a factual level not in an early access state.

    By their own admission the game is unfinished. They have said several times now that they are still working to "establish a strong baseline" for the game.
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