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Youtubers appear to be attempting to form a coalition so as to voice their opinions on EA content

neverendingneverending Senior MemberRegistered Users Posts: 2,922
edited March 20 in Total War General Chat


Will be interesting if this goes anywhere.
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  • karlvontyrkarlvontyr Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 489
    Always good to have a project :)
  • VildvargVildvarg Registered Users Posts: 2,712
    You might want to take a quick read over across your thread title again. Interesting news though, we'll see if anything comes of it.
  • ArneSoArneSo Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 32,668
    How cute.
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  • KaosfyreKaosfyre Registered Users Posts: 89
    This is very interesting. It could have far reaching consequences on the incluencing industry.

    Many countries have strong union protection legislation. I am not a lawyer, but it will be interesting to see how this evolves.
  • avvveavvve Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 456
    Its time for the whistleblowers to sings!
  • NeodeinosNeodeinos Registered Users Posts: 14,488
    I doubt this is going to work but if it does then it's good for everyone.

  • NemoTheElf101NemoTheElf101 Registered Users Posts: 2,588
    This forum really takes the words and activities of a handful of content creators too seriously.

    It's great that they want to combat all the restrictions and consequences around being Total War content creators, especially when this is all essentially free advertising for CA, but people really should start forming their own opinions on these games and CA.
  • steam_163061828600he4V3nAsteam_163061828600he4V3nA Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 45
    Oh these sweet summer children. They really have no idea how any of this works or why.

    A blackout until a specified date on reviews is common in all industries in the whole world. If you want early access to a product to make a review, then you play by this rule. People that break this rule do not get copies to review again from anyone. There are multiple reasons for this, many good and many not so much.

    Also, being in a union would do nothing to change this. As they are not being paid by the company, they have no protections. And, YouTubers are a dime a dozen, easily replaced, and there are tens of thousands more wanting to get YouTube famous and willing to play ball.
  • XxXScorpionXxXXxXScorpionXxX Registered Users Posts: 4,971
    I wholeheartedly support this. Too many youtubers that dedicate their channel to a single game get exploited by the company that makes that game as essentially a free marketing employee.
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  • VildvargVildvarg Registered Users Posts: 2,712

    This forum really takes the words and activities of a handful of content creators too seriously.

    It's great that they want to combat all the restrictions and consequences around being Total War content creators, especially when this is all essentially free advertising for CA, but people really should start forming their own opinions on these games and CA.

    They do.

    However it takes quite a few of us ground level individuals making quite a bit of noise just to get recognized typically.

    Like it or not CA pays much more attention to these youtube personalities. I don't watch any of them mind you, but it's foolish to deny they have a greater impact than you or I sharing our opinions here.
  • NemoTheElf101NemoTheElf101 Registered Users Posts: 2,588

    I wholeheartedly support this. Too many youtubers that dedicate their channel to a single game get exploited by the company that makes that game as essentially a free marketing employee.

    Exploited how?

    They're not being paid by the company, they're not part of the company. If they break embargo, they just don't get review copies. It's not like they are forever barred from playing the game or making videos about it.
  • HappyBoomerHappyBoomer Registered Users Posts: 284
    How tf would a union help them? They are not **** employees of CA nor sega. They are hired partners. Advertisers. If they dont like the terms they can step out of the creator program.
  • DragantisDragantis PolandRegistered Users Posts: 692
    This is funny, so far developers employee are having problems to make an unions in gaming industries and yet YT think that they will menage to do that and dictate terms to developers? Not to mention that streamers are hardly main source of advertising. And last thing, not as many players as those streamers thing agree with they ideas about game (WH in this case).
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  • NemoTheElf101NemoTheElf101 Registered Users Posts: 2,588
    Vildvarg said:

    This forum really takes the words and activities of a handful of content creators too seriously.

    It's great that they want to combat all the restrictions and consequences around being Total War content creators, especially when this is all essentially free advertising for CA, but people really should start forming their own opinions on these games and CA.

    They do.

    However it takes quite a few of us ground level individuals making quite a bit of noise just to get recognized typically.

    Like it or not CA pays much more attention to these youtube personalities. I don't watch any of them mind you, but it's foolish to deny they have a greater impact than you or I sharing our opinions here.
    I've seen CA give more attention to what's hot on Reddit than which content creators are saying, but you are right, they do generate a lot of movement and help broadcast common perspectives in the customer-base, which is obviously important to a gaming company.

    My problem is that these handful of professional players approach the game different from the typical customer, and that they do have a business relationship with CA that can affect their stances. Not saying that they're dishonest or "bought" or anything, but the dynamic is different and not indicative on say, why I buy and play these games.
  • neverendingneverending Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 2,922
    Neodeinos said:

    I doubt this is going to work but if it does then it's good for everyone.

    Frankly I kind of think even if the YTers did 100% unite, CA will just revoke access to everyone

    If CA revokes access to 90% of the creators and gives it to the remaining 10% who want to still play ball etc, and the community continues to trust that 10% and give them far more views than the 90%, then it is the community's fault.
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  • NeodeinosNeodeinos Registered Users Posts: 14,488

    This forum really takes the words and activities of a handful of content creators too seriously.

    It's great that they want to combat all the restrictions and consequences around being Total War content creators, especially when this is all essentially free advertising for CA, but people really should start forming their own opinions on these games and CA.

    People already form their own opinions, the youtubers' opinions get often posted because they have a lot of visibility and their opinion is often similar to what a lot of the fanbase already thinks.

  • NemoTheElf101NemoTheElf101 Registered Users Posts: 2,588
    Neodeinos said:

    This forum really takes the words and activities of a handful of content creators too seriously.

    It's great that they want to combat all the restrictions and consequences around being Total War content creators, especially when this is all essentially free advertising for CA, but people really should start forming their own opinions on these games and CA.

    People already form their own opinions, the youtubers' opinions get often posted because they have a lot of visibility and their opinion is often similar to what a lot of the fanbase already thinks.
    Is it though?

    People either treat someone like Legend as either this expert beyond reproach, or drag his name through the muck whenever he says or does something disagreeable. Creators like Cody Bonds get **** as being sell-outs for not being hyper-critical of CA despite never stating on being a critic, and then there's all the controversy around The Great Book of Grudges that seems to rear up whenever he's mentioned.

    I don't see a fanbase that's in line with these Youtubers, I see a fanbase that has a like-dislike relationship with whomever is popular or whomever has the more agreeable stances at the given moment.
  • LegendaryArticunoLegendaryArticuno Registered Users Posts: 501
    Legend Total Shill's credibility is beyond redemption.
  • Pat_MillerPat_Miller Registered Users Posts: 39
    edited April 19
    These specialised youtubers obviously have a direct interest in the hype and the success of the game. That's why many of us found them very very lacking in realistic criticism before the game launched. As they started to see their subs going down, some of them began to embrass the general dissatisfaction but hey, it's a bit too late, my money is at CA already.

    Since this whole affair, I don't watch them so often, I find generalist youtubers more efficient at describing the game as it is.
  • Lotor12Lotor12 Registered Users Posts: 858
    They can form " the Union", but CA can just completely ignore it

  • jamreal18jamreal18 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 13,050
    Remember PrinceofMacedon?
  • SiWISiWI Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 11,998
    As others said:
    CA has no duty to provide the excess to their products.

    If they would form a "union" (difficult under normal union law I imaging, given that CA doesn't actually hires them), then CA could just refuse to give them anything, unless they agree to CA conditions.
    And I doubt that courts would view embargo dates as unreasonable from CA, since they are an industry standard (even for beyond the video game industry).
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  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 19,530
    Melkor, getting excited about something that wasn't the problem in the first place.
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