CA - We know you have time to make this right. Belakor and DoC.

Surge_2#1464

I know you have time.
You know you have time.

Belakor should be the Daemons of Chaos representative, and should only have access to Daemons, no Mortals or Beastmen.

Daemons of Chaos, an 8th Edition Army Book, should be represented in IE, and Belakor should be the LL for that.

We all know you have time to address this before IE is released in its BETA form.

Please fix this.

XxXScorpionXxX#2310

from what I heard from someone he still gets access to all Daemons. He just gets Warriors units as well. It funny I predicted way back that this would happen but I thought it would be as an exchange for Sigvald leaving Warriors.

misunderstoodvampire#7653

I was hoping he would be demons only but it does make sense that he has access to both since he is playable for both WOC and DOC in the tabletop. You could always just recruit demons and I’m sure mods will be released making him demons only

hillbillymachinegun

So, you're basically just asking them to remove Be'lakor from multiplayer?

DoC cannot ever be in multiplayer because such a large roster pulling from 4 different races would destroy any shred of balance in the game. If not DoC, they have to put him somewhere, and WoC is the only viable option.

Functionally, Be'lakor has a DoC campaign but WoC multiplayer. I think most people would agree that is better than him not being in multiplayer at all. Not that Be'lakor having mortal servants was unloreful in the first place. There's nothing to complain about.

Spellbound1875#4610

They really don't have time. Be'lakor's campaign mechanics are based around the WoC rework. Trying to bolt that into a campaign built around the build a daemon workshop isn't going to happen. As for why the mortal units were included there, the daemon units don't really fit together in a coherent roster, certainly not when unit tiers are taking into account. It's a balance nightmare and CA decided to side step it.

As for the appeals to 8th edition, GW signed off on this and they've pretty clearly seen their murder of Daemons of Chaos as a successful business strategy. Monogods sell well and they snuck in a minor note saying that Be'lakor can be run in an all daemon even though he's in the Slaves to Darkness book, so CA implementation of him as a WoC with greater access to Daemons just seems to align with GW's modern interpretation of the character.

Neodeinos#5871

I would much prefer Be'Lakor to be Daemons of Chaos but it's probably not as easy as you think, they'd basically have to scrap all the DoC mechanics and replace them entirely because none of those would fit Be'Lakor. The main team didn't think much ahead and were way too focused on Daniel when they designed DoC I'm afraid.

Nyxilis#3646

Neodeinos said:

I would much prefer Be'Lakor to be Daemons of Chaos but it's probably not as easy as you think, they'd basically have to scrap all the DoC mechanics and replace them entirely because none of those would fit Be'Lakor. The main team didn't think much ahead and were way too focused on Daniel when they designed DoC I'm afraid.

This, Belakor is ultimately going to suffer in that he was not a planned lord in the RoC campaign and not developed at that stage with that money. He was clearly an afterthought reward at the end for winning the story. Here, have a token lord. Remember what he even had when you finally did get him? He really was pretty much just a boss battle.

Not arguing where he should be, rather the fact this is probably an easier move.

Though really if we talking books WoC was in his stamp collection.

Wood_Sprite#1284

I dunno, it seems to me that Monogods ARE the Daemons of Chaos, just divided by god. Daniel provides a way to play in campaign that pulls all 4 together.

They will have to create a new race with new units if you want multiple LL for DoC undivided (how many LL-quality undivided Daemons are there anyway?). Otherwise, balance can be kissed goodbye in multiplayer.

Biggles#4266

Just popped in to give OP a disagree. Good to see the ratio.

ConstantineZAyn#4211

hillbillymachinegun said:

So, you're basically just asking them to remove Be'lakor from multiplayer?

DoC cannot ever be in multiplayer because such a large roster pulling from 4 different races would destroy any shred of balance in the game. If not DoC, they have to put him somewhere, and WoC is the only viable option.

Functionally, Be'lakor has a DoC campaign but WoC multiplayer. I think most people would agree that is better than him not being in multiplayer at all. Not that Be'lakor having mortal servants was unloreful in the first place. There's nothing to complain about.

"Skaven cannot ever be in multiplayer because such a large roster would destroy any shred of balance in the game"

Daemons of Chaos are an 8th edition armybook. They should be in multiplayer with a pure daemon roster. The monogods should be balanced with new units, unique to them and not present in DoC. They shouldn't be barred from it just because of some lobotomized monogod pseudo-races.

This is a travesty, stop making excuses for it.

ConstantineZAyn#4211

oliverpmason said:

Just popped in to give OP a disagree. Good to see the ratio.

The absolute state of these forums.

ConstantineZAyn#4211

Spellbound55 said:

They really don't have time. Be'lakor's campaign mechanics are based around the WoC rework. Trying to bolt that into a campaign built around the build a daemon workshop isn't going to happen. As for why the mortal units were included there, the daemon units don't really fit together in a coherent roster, certainly not when unit tiers are taking into account. It's a balance nightmare and CA decided to side step it.

As for the appeals to 8th edition, GW signed off on this and they've pretty clearly seen their murder of Daemons of Chaos as a successful business strategy. Monogods sell well and they snuck in a minor note saying that Be'lakor can be run in an all daemon even though he's in the Slaves to Darkness book, so CA implementation of him as a WoC with greater access to Daemons just seems to align with GW's modern interpretation of the character.

You think it's fair to murder an 8th edition race, one that some players, myself included, have been anticipating for years?

"the daemon units don't really fit together in a coherent roster"
Literally what are you talking about? They're not any less coherent than the skaven. Do you just make things up as you go?

Surge_2#1464

oliverpmason said:

Just popped in to give OP a disagree. Good to see the ratio.

Rookie numbers, but thanks for the bump.

Reeks#2417

I´m just here to gobble down popcorn while i chuckle over how salty people are when their treasured armybooks are not followed to the letter

ConstantineZAyn#4211

Reeks said:

I´m just here to gobble down popcorn while i chuckle over how salty people are when their treasured armybooks are not followed to the letter

Haha, CA completely butchered the implementation of a race that some have been anticipating for years, very funny!

ElStaufo#4038

Reeks said:

I´m just here to gobble down popcorn while i chuckle over how salty people are when their treasured armybooks are not followed to the letter

Yeah, same here. Nobody has even played anything yet. :-)

"But I wan´t to decide how everything should be. And if not it´s stupid!" *stompingfoot*

NickCageStoleMyFace#5594

Reeks said:

I´m just here to gobble down popcorn while i chuckle over how salty people are when their treasured armybooks are not followed to the letter

Tamurkhan is confirmed to be WoC

Reeks#2417

DTAPPSNZ said:

Reeks said:

I´m just here to gobble down popcorn while i chuckle over how salty people are when their treasured armybooks are not followed to the letter

Tamurkhan is confirmed to be WoC

lol

lcmiracle#6727

DTAPPSNZ said:

Reeks said:

I´m just here to gobble down popcorn while i chuckle over how salty people are when their treasured armybooks are not followed to the letter

Tamurkhan is confirmed to be WoC

Good

Reeks#2417

ConstantineZAyn said:

Reeks said:

I´m just here to gobble down popcorn while i chuckle over how salty people are when their treasured armybooks are not followed to the letter

Haha, CA completely butchered the implementation of a race that some have been anticipating for years, very funny!

You lads right now..



"My precious books are sacrosanct! They should be included word by word and any change whatsoever to the Warhammer world is BAD AND I HATE IT!!!"



The rest of us:

Biggles#4266

Surge_2 said:

oliverpmason said:

Just popped in to give OP a disagree. Good to see the ratio.

Rookie numbers, but thanks for the bump.

The day is young and I have faith in your post!

SerPus#7395

Reeks said:

"My precious books are sacrosanct! They should be included word by word and any change whatsoever to the Warhammer world is BAD AND I HATE IT!!!"

Eh? The point is that 7 years ago CA promised to implement every army from the 8th edition, so naturally people who liked DoC have waited for them.

davedave1124#4773

CA, you have my permission to ignore the OP and crack on with things that matter.

DarthEnderX-#6513

hillbillymachinegun said:

DoC cannot ever be in multiplayer because such a large roster pulling from 4 different races would destroy any shred of balance in the game.

The larger roster could easily be balanced with weaker faction mechanics.

Reeks#2417

SerPus said:

Reeks said:

"My precious books are sacrosanct! They should be included word by word and any change whatsoever to the Warhammer world is BAD AND I HATE IT!!!"

Eh? The point is that 7 years ago CA promised to implement every army from the 8th edition, so naturally people who liked DoC have waited for them.

You are still under the illusion that what comes out of the forges at Horsham are to be treated as words of the almighty Sigmar hisself i see, good on you.

Psst, they are a company, companies lie and backtracks when it suits their needs...

ladymissfit#8688

It's looking more and more like warriors are gonna be less warriors and more "generic chaos with special rules for each lord" in regards to what monogod units will be available to them and how. Which im fine with it makes sense enough.

davedave1124#4773

The plan is to get all sixteen armies (and, yes, I mean 16 despite there being 15 army books…) in the game by journey’s end.

-Andy Hall (2016)

Does that really count as a promise?

SerPus#7395

Reeks said:

You are still under the illusion that what comes out of the forges at Horsham are to be treated as words of the almighty Sigmar hisself i see, good on you.

Nah, I stopped trusting CA a long time ago. But fans being mad because they waited 7 years for something that was promised and not delivered is perfectly understandable. Imagine the reaction is the Empire or High Elves were dropped out. Oh, how bright would this place burn.

Reeks#2417

SerPus said:

Reeks said:

You are still under the illusion that what comes out of the forges at Horsham are to be treated as words of the almighty Sigmar hisself i see, good on you.

Nah, I stopped trusting CA a long time ago. But fans being mad because they waited 7 years for something that was promised and not delivered is perfectly understandable. Imagine the reaction is the Empire or High Elves were dropped out. Oh, how bright would this place burn.

Yeah because having some of the main races in the setting being outright removed is perfectly comparable to a armybook having it´s content split up into pieces yet still being present...

/Sarcasm off

Biggles#4266

SerPus said:

Reeks said:

You are still under the illusion that what comes out of the forges at Horsham are to be treated as words of the almighty Sigmar hisself i see, good on you.

Nah, I stopped trusting CA a long time ago. But fans being mad because they waited 7 years for something that was promised and not delivered is perfectly understandable. Imagine the reaction is the Empire or High Elves were dropped out. Oh, how bright would this place burn.

Dude, you have Daniel. He is DoC. They even expanded the roster with some mortals to fill gaps. With both the Danster and Belakor you can have a full demon army.

DoC is in game at this very moment!

Lunaticprince#9972

DTAPPSNZ said:

Reeks said:

I´m just here to gobble down popcorn while i chuckle over how salty people are when their treasured armybooks are not followed to the letter

Tamurkhan is confirmed to be WoC

Lol

Nah my dude