Sorcerer Lord of Tzeentch? I suggest you to MASSIVELY tone down your expectations...

ScreamimgEnvy

I think you already know how a lore friendly Sorcerer Lord of Tzeentch looks like, right? It's not something unexpected, since it has also an official GW miniature...

"So what's the problem" you said? The problem is how CA handled the Sorcerer Lord of Nurgle...a unit with official miniatures and lore friendly arts...and CA choose to **** on all of that to choose a quite cheap and lazy way. Putting a pair of GUO horns on a common WoC Sorcerer painted in green.

So i suggest you to tone down your expectations and be ready for the worst possible scenario, now that not even the official miniatures are safe from CA.

Cortes31#6909

Why should I bother to tone down my expectations? They were never unrealistic to begin with.

Djau#5149

It'll probably be this, the official Tzeentch Lord on Disc model. This with maybe some bits and pieces inspired by Age of Reckoning.

I don't think anything heavily mutated will be in, as it still has to cover the Undivided -> Marked transition.

Neodeinos#5871

I'm surprised people on Reddit have been complaining more than this forum. Usually we are the most nitpicky here.

Itharus#3127

When I played WH... all* the insane looking Chaos minis were typically the result of sculpting, kitbashing, and greenstuff. Or confined to artwork examples. Overwhelmingly, chaos stuff was just color-themed pseudo clones with a few bits that might be tucked into the ass end of a sprue somewhere for garnish.

Did the Chaos minis develop a massive boost in quality or something in the last 10-12 years? (Serious question, I exited the hobby a ways back).

Cuz I'm wondering where everyone seems to think every model in a chaos army is some massive showpiece.

*There have always been some special models.

Also... how is it people still buy all these minis in an era of laser-scanning 3D printers? Amazed that people don't just download schematics online for that and print all day long. No joke... the 3D Printer startup cost is less than one large WH army anyway, and you can use it to make many armies. LOL.

Heretical_Cactus#7598

I'm expecting this

Magus of Tzeentch

destroyer67115

Who tf was expecting a three armed demon abomination?

OdTengri#8235

Itharus said:

When I played WH... all* the insane looking Chaos minis were typically the result of sculpting, kitbashing, and greenstuff. Or confined to artwork examples. Overwhelmingly, chaos stuff was just color-themed pseudo clones with a few bits that might be tucked into the ass end of a sprue somewhere for garnish.

Did the Chaos minis develop a massive boost in quality or something in the last 10-12 years? (Serious question, I exited the hobby a ways back).

Cuz I'm wondering where everyone seems to think every model in a chaos army is some massive showpiece.

*There have always been some special models.

Also... how is it people still buy all these minis in an era of laser-scanning 3D printers? Amazed that people don't just download schematics online for that and print all day long. No joke... the 3D Printer startup cost is less than one large WH army anyway, and you can use it to make many armies. LOL.

Because this is a game and the cost to make the models is fractional in comparison to actual pewter minis 20 years ago that have to be physically shipped around the globe.

We want the Impressive Kitbashed Mini's to be CA's standard.... It's closer to the Lore and Artwork than what GW was able to reasonably produce and sell in the past.

I mean FF's how often did you play TT against an army that was barely more than primered? It was pretty common, should that be the standard?

Zekerath

ScreamimgEnvy said:

I think you already know how a lore friendly Sorcerer Lord of Tzeentch looks like, right? It's not something unexpected, since it has also an official GW miniature...

"So what's the problem" you said? The problem is how CA handled the Sorcerer Lord of Nurgle...a unit with official miniatures and lore friendly arts...and CA choose to **** on all of that to choose a quite cheap and lazy way. Putting a pair of GUO horns on a common WoC Sorcerer painted in green.

I think hoping for models close to their TT representation is all fine and dandy, but I think the notion that there is only one lore friendly version of any appearance of any unit, let alone something like a generic lord and no LL, is somewhat silly.
Like, to me at least, the Vermintide 2 Nurgle spellcaster models are as lore friendly and accurate as any table top model. And there have been various model versions of the same unit over the years as well. I'd guess that three-handed, long-legged model OP shows is from around the time of End Times, based on its art style and polish.

Eye_of_Sauron

destroyer67115 said:

Who tf was expecting a three armed demon abomination?

Errrrr me?



But i see, asking for a model that resembles the original GW miniature is (now) too much to ask. Shame on me! I should've hoped to get a recoloured WoC Sorcerer since the beginning!

saweendra#3399

Itharus said:

When I played WH... all* the insane looking Chaos minis were typically the result of sculpting, kitbashing, and greenstuff. Or confined to artwork examples. Overwhelmingly, chaos stuff was just color-themed pseudo clones with a few bits that might be tucked into the ass end of a sprue somewhere for garnish.

Did the Chaos minis develop a massive boost in quality or something in the last 10-12 years? (Serious question, I exited the hobby a ways back).

Cuz I'm wondering where everyone seems to think every model in a chaos army is some massive showpiece.

*There have always been some special models.

Also... how is it people still buy all these minis in an era of laser-scanning 3D printers? Amazed that people don't just download schematics online for that and print all day long. No joke... the 3D Printer startup cost is less than one large WH army anyway, and you can use it to make many armies. LOL.

Itharus said:

When I played WH... all* the insane looking Chaos minis were typically the result of sculpting, kitbashing, and greenstuff. Or confined to artwork examples. Overwhelmingly, chaos stuff was just color-themed pseudo clones with a few bits that might be tucked into the ass end of a sprue somewhere for garnish.

Did the Chaos minis develop a massive boost in quality or something in the last 10-12 years? (Serious question, I exited the hobby a ways back).

Cuz I'm wondering where everyone seems to think every model in a chaos army is some massive showpiece.

*There have always been some special models.

Also... how is it people still buy all these minis in an era of laser-scanning 3D printers? Amazed that people don't just download schematics online for that and print all day long. No joke... the 3D Printer startup cost is less than one large WH army anyway, and you can use it to make many armies. LOL.

why do you think GW made that GW + service , they already are preapring for a time where models sales are not a thing

Eye_of_Sauron

Neodeinos said:

I'm surprised people on Reddit have been complaining more than this forum. Usually we are the most nitpicky here.

Good to hear.

CA is literally dropping GW miniatures to slap on our faces recolours with horns stolen from Greater Daemons and resized.

Bies#4376

Eye_of_Sauron

Zekerath said:

ScreamimgEnvy said:

I think you already know how a lore friendly Sorcerer Lord of Tzeentch looks like, right? It's not something unexpected, since it has also an official GW miniature...

"So what's the problem" you said? The problem is how CA handled the Sorcerer Lord of Nurgle...a unit with official miniatures and lore friendly arts...and CA choose to **** on all of that to choose a quite cheap and lazy way. Putting a pair of GUO horns on a common WoC Sorcerer painted in green.

. I'd guess that three-handed, long-legged model OP shows is from around the time of End Times, based on its art style and polish.

No. This official artwork is from WHFB.

OdTengri#8235

Eye_of_Sauron said:

destroyer67115 said:

Who tf was expecting a three armed demon abomination?

Errrrr me?

But i see, asking for a model that resembles the original GW miniature is (now) too much to ask. Shame on me! I should've hoped to get a recoloured WoC Sorcerer since the beginning!

But i see, asking for a model that resembles the an original GW miniature is (now) too much to ask.

Big difference there.

destroyer67115

Eye_of_Sauron said:

destroyer67115 said:

Who tf was expecting a three armed demon abomination?

Errrrr me?



But i see, asking for a model that resembles the original GW miniature is (now) too much to ask. Shame on me! I should've hoped to get a recoloured WoC Sorcerer since the beginning!

Because tzeentch sorcerers only look one way and the weird demon thing totally isn't later content for future dlc.

Look at what's pretty obvious.

They're setting up for FLC/dlc Arbaal, Valnir, and Egrimm

The fact nurgle looks like grim reapers.

The arbaal hints.

The likely Egrimm style sorcerer lord?

I dunno the designs are all following a pattern here. 🤔

Heretical_Cactus#7598

Eye_of_Sauron said:

destroyer67115 said:

Who tf was expecting a three armed demon abomination?

Errrrr me?



But i see, asking for a model that resembles the original GW miniature is (now) too much to ask. Shame on me! I should've hoped to get a recoloured WoC Sorcerer since the beginning!

Well it's not the only model/art of Tzeentchian Sorcerer:

Eye_of_Sauron

OdTengri said:

Eye_of_Sauron said:

destroyer67115 said:

Who tf was expecting a three armed demon abomination?

Errrrr me?

But i see, asking for a model that resembles the original GW miniature is (now) too much to ask. Shame on me! I should've hoped to get a recoloured WoC Sorcerer since the beginning!

But i see, asking for a model that resembles the an original GW miniature is (now) too much to ask.

Big difference there.

Even if you think we are getting the lowest fruit and cheapest option, trust me, it won't happen. A Magus? Oldest Tzeentch Sorcerer Lord? Impossible.

Slaanesh Lord? Just a new helmet.

Nurgle Lord? Just a GUO pair of horns.

Eye_of_Sauron

arthadaw said:

Eye_of_Sauron said:

destroyer67115 said:

Who tf was expecting a three armed demon abomination?

Errrrr me?



But i see, asking for a model that resembles the original GW miniature is (now) too much to ask. Shame on me! I should've hoped to get a recoloured WoC Sorcerer since the beginning!

Well it's not the only model/art of Tzeentchian Sorcerer:

We are not getting one of them anyway.

Zekerath

Eye_of_Sauron said:

Zekerath said:

ScreamimgEnvy said:

I think you already know how a lore friendly Sorcerer Lord of Tzeentch looks like, right? It's not something unexpected, since it has also an official GW miniature...

"So what's the problem" you said? The problem is how CA handled the Sorcerer Lord of Nurgle...a unit with official miniatures and lore friendly arts...and CA choose to **** on all of that to choose a quite cheap and lazy way. Putting a pair of GUO horns on a common WoC Sorcerer painted in green.

. I'd guess that three-handed, long-legged model OP shows is from around the time of End Times, based on its art style and polish.

No. This official artwork is from WHFB.

From what year is that art and model? Was there a different art and model before it? That's what I'm getting at.

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

Hype train goes Choo choo!

whatabs#4509

Neodeinos said:

I'm surprised people on Reddit have been complaining more than this forum. Usually we are the most nitpicky here.

They will have to change the looks of all marked Warriors and Chosen and Lords. Khorne is fine couse they had unique assets to begin with. Nurgle is just a lazy recolor with a new pair of horns slapped on (not even new horns, existing ones).
They will have to change all that. Or they wont get paid. Simple as that.
Whats the point of buying this "DLC"? What are you getting from it? The ascention mechanic for Chaos is FLC and all the marked stuff except Khorne looks very lazy and bad. So ur getting 4 lords and one new unit (even that unit is the least exciting one of all the alternatives)
Hard pass from me and from many others.

OdTengri#8235

Eye_of_Sauron said:

OdTengri said:

Eye_of_Sauron said:

destroyer67115 said:

Who tf was expecting a three armed demon abomination?

Errrrr me?

But i see, asking for a model that resembles the original GW miniature is (now) too much to ask. Shame on me! I should've hoped to get a recoloured WoC Sorcerer since the beginning!

But i see, asking for a model that resembles the an original GW miniature is (now) too much to ask.

Big difference there.

Even if you think we are getting the lowest fruit and cheapest option, trust me, it won't happen. A Magus? Oldest Tzeentch Sorcerer Lord? Impossible.

Slaanesh Lord? Just a new helmet.

Nurgle Lord? Just a GUO pair of horns.

Oh yeah... It's quite clear that they are going to pick whatever Tzeentch Sorcerer Lord model that lets them reuse the most assets.

He'll be like 20-30% New.

Bies#4376

well this was my idea long time ago for tzeentch warriors rework so..
maybe how the lord will look like

Djau#5149

They'll use whatever was 8th Edition; only taking from older if it helps keep cohesion between all the new models. Something looking vastly different from the others would be a bit weird.

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

OdTengri said:

Eye_of_Sauron said:

OdTengri said:

Eye_of_Sauron said:

destroyer67115 said:

Who tf was expecting a three armed demon abomination?

Errrrr me?

But i see, asking for a model that resembles the original GW miniature is (now) too much to ask. Shame on me! I should've hoped to get a recoloured WoC Sorcerer since the beginning!

But i see, asking for a model that resembles the an original GW miniature is (now) too much to ask.

Big difference there.

Even if you think we are getting the lowest fruit and cheapest option, trust me, it won't happen. A Magus? Oldest Tzeentch Sorcerer Lord? Impossible.

Slaanesh Lord? Just a new helmet.

Nurgle Lord? Just a GUO pair of horns.

Oh yeah... It's quite clear that they are going to pick whatever Tzeentch Sorcerer Lord model that lets them reuse the most assets.

He'll be like 20-30% New.

Seems like they just decided to do basic level remodels for everything at a LP price rather than go full unique with it for a bigger price.

Eye_of_Sauron

Bies said:

well this was my idea long time ago for tzeentch warriors rework so..
maybe how the lord will look like

Quite funny it's the very same WoC model used for the Sorcerer Lord of Nurgle.

saweendra#3399

Vanilla_Gorilla said:

OdTengri said:

Eye_of_Sauron said:

OdTengri said:

Eye_of_Sauron said:

destroyer67115 said:

Who tf was expecting a three armed demon abomination?

Errrrr me?

But i see, asking for a model that resembles the original GW miniature is (now) too much to ask. Shame on me! I should've hoped to get a recoloured WoC Sorcerer since the beginning!

But i see, asking for a model that resembles the an original GW miniature is (now) too much to ask.

Big difference there.

Even if you think we are getting the lowest fruit and cheapest option, trust me, it won't happen. A Magus? Oldest Tzeentch Sorcerer Lord? Impossible.

Slaanesh Lord? Just a new helmet.

Nurgle Lord? Just a GUO pair of horns.

Oh yeah... It's quite clear that they are going to pick whatever Tzeentch Sorcerer Lord model that lets them reuse the most assets.

He'll be like 20-30% New.

Seems like they just decided to do basic level remodels for everything at a LP price rather than go full unique with it for a bigger price.

did they said price ? than all of these debacles are pointless

we get enough new assets to match a old lord pack

#802805

It's possible we get that one, but most of the old Chaos Sorcerer models from tabletop looked closer to the ones we see in the game already. Chaos Sorcerers in tabletop wore the same type of Chaos Armour as their non-magical comrades, though often warped in some ways. But I'm all for some Sorcerer eye-candy. Let's hope.

OdTengri#8235

Vanilla_Gorilla said:

OdTengri said:

Eye_of_Sauron said:

OdTengri said:

Eye_of_Sauron said:

destroyer67115 said:

Who tf was expecting a three armed demon abomination?

Errrrr me?

But i see, asking for a model that resembles the original GW miniature is (now) too much to ask. Shame on me! I should've hoped to get a recoloured WoC Sorcerer since the beginning!

But i see, asking for a model that resembles the an original GW miniature is (now) too much to ask.

Big difference there.

Even if you think we are getting the lowest fruit and cheapest option, trust me, it won't happen. A Magus? Oldest Tzeentch Sorcerer Lord? Impossible.

Slaanesh Lord? Just a new helmet.

Nurgle Lord? Just a GUO pair of horns.

Oh yeah... It's quite clear that they are going to pick whatever Tzeentch Sorcerer Lord model that lets them reuse the most assets.

He'll be like 20-30% New.

Seems like they just decided to do basic level remodels for everything at a LP price rather than go full unique with it for a bigger price.

Yep... if they try to charge Campaign Pack prices I'll balk.

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

saweendra said:

Vanilla_Gorilla said:

OdTengri said:

Eye_of_Sauron said:

OdTengri said:

Eye_of_Sauron said:

destroyer67115 said:

Who tf was expecting a three armed demon abomination?

Errrrr me?

But i see, asking for a model that resembles the original GW miniature is (now) too much to ask. Shame on me! I should've hoped to get a recoloured WoC Sorcerer since the beginning!

But i see, asking for a model that resembles the an original GW miniature is (now) too much to ask.

Big difference there.

Even if you think we are getting the lowest fruit and cheapest option, trust me, it won't happen. A Magus? Oldest Tzeentch Sorcerer Lord? Impossible.

Slaanesh Lord? Just a new helmet.

Nurgle Lord? Just a GUO pair of horns.

Oh yeah... It's quite clear that they are going to pick whatever Tzeentch Sorcerer Lord model that lets them reuse the most assets.

He'll be like 20-30% New.

Seems like they just decided to do basic level remodels for everything at a LP price rather than go full unique with it for a bigger price.

did they said price ? than all of these debacles are pointless

we get enough new assets to match a old lord pack

No, but I'd be shocked if it was a CP price like this, especially considering it's called a LP. LPs might go up in cost given the massive worldwide inflation we're seeing though.