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A nitpick that jumped out immediately: Doppelsoldner are already essentially what became Empire Greatswords. The inspiration behind State Troops are, essentially, what would happen if Landsknechtes had actually worked more-or-less as intended, rather than going mercenary because their founder couldn't afford to pay the troops that he'd raised and trained. (I know the bulk of landsknechtes historically were pikemen, but Spearmen were probably intended to fill that role, since Warhammer didn't distinguish between spears and pikes until the DoW book was released).
Otherwise... I don't think it's really realistic to expect Estalia and Tilea to have separate lists. What's probably more likely is that both will be presented as largely mercenary forces, drawing from mercenaries from both nations (and abroad), but a Tilean LL will get bonuses with Tilean mercenaries, while an Estalian LL would get bonuses with Estalian mercenaries.
On that, given the lack of established Estalian characters, I could see them pulling a "Lucrezia married an Estalian" to make her an Estalian LL rather than having two Tilean LLs.
Making Lucrezia a Estalian lord will be like maken Alberc to be a Empire Lord, Or Toddy a Bretonia lord. or like make Settra a Vampire Lord, they better not.
honestly I'm even more excited for Dogs of War/Southern Realms than I am for Chaos Dwarfs.
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A nitpick that jumped out immediately: Doppelsoldner are already essentially what became Empire Greatswords. The inspiration behind State Troops are, essentially, what would happen if Landsknechtes had actually worked more-or-less as intended, rather than going mercenary because their founder couldn't afford to pay the troops that he'd raised and trained. (I know the bulk of landsknechtes historically were pikemen, but Spearmen were probably intended to fill that role, since Warhammer didn't distinguish between spears and pikes until the DoW book was released).
Otherwise... I don't think it's really realistic to expect Estalia and Tilea to have separate lists. What's probably more likely is that both will be presented as largely mercenary forces, drawing from mercenaries from both nations (and abroad), but a Tilean LL will get bonuses with Tilean mercenaries, while an Estalian LL would get bonuses with Estalian mercenaries.
On that, given the lack of established Estalian characters, I could see them pulling a "Lucrezia married an Estalian" to make her an Estalian LL rather than having two Tilean LLs.
Making Lucrezia a Estalian lord will be like maken Alberc to be a Empire Lord, Or Toddy a Bretonia lord. or like make Settra a Vampire Lord, they better not.
they better do a Estalian lord.
Not really. Her whole theme is "marry someone in order to get their resources". I don't see Alberic marrying into the Empire, or Toddy into Bretonnia, or Settra marrying a vampire, but I absolutely could see Lucrezia marrying outside of Tilea.
And, in the end, there are only going to be so many spaces available for LLs. (And on that matter, I'd be very surprised if all of them start in the Old World. Precedent suggests that they'll find reasons to spread them out, and that's not hard to do with DoW).
A nitpick that jumped out immediately: Doppelsoldner are already essentially what became Empire Greatswords. The inspiration behind State Troops are, essentially, what would happen if Landsknechtes had actually worked more-or-less as intended, rather than going mercenary because their founder couldn't afford to pay the troops that he'd raised and trained. (I know the bulk of landsknechtes historically were pikemen, but Spearmen were probably intended to fill that role, since Warhammer didn't distinguish between spears and pikes until the DoW book was released).
Otherwise... I don't think it's really realistic to expect Estalia and Tilea to have separate lists. What's probably more likely is that both will be presented as largely mercenary forces, drawing from mercenaries from both nations (and abroad), but a Tilean LL will get bonuses with Tilean mercenaries, while an Estalian LL would get bonuses with Estalian mercenaries.
On that, given the lack of established Estalian characters, I could see them pulling a "Lucrezia married an Estalian" to make her an Estalian LL rather than having two Tilean LLs.
Making Lucrezia a Estalian lord will be like maken Alberc to be a Empire Lord, Or Toddy a Bretonia lord. or like make Settra a Vampire Lord, they better not.
they better do a Estalian lord.
Not really. Her whole theme is "marry someone in order to get their resources". I don't see Alberic marrying into the Empire, or Toddy into Bretonnia, or Settra marrying a vampire, but I absolutely could see Lucrezia marrying outside of Tilea.
And, in the end, there are only going to be so many spaces available for LLs. (And on that matter, I'd be very surprised if all of them start in the Old World. Precedent suggests that they'll find reasons to spread them out, and that's not hard to do with DoW).
Yeah but that would kill literally the only well establish lore for Estalia that is they hate Tileans above everything.
I will be pist off It will be super lazy anticlimactic. I prefer Estala stay as clones that a tilean lord as Estala faction leader.
However I consider that Lucrezia could use marriage as a mechanic to take over minor NPC factions as basals.
Making Lucrezia a Estalian lord will be like maken Alberc to be a Empire Lord, Or Toddy a Bretonia lord. or like make Settra a Vampire Lord, they better not.
they better do a Estalian lord.
Reeling from spite after Borgio of Miragliano spurned her in favour of her (seemingly) less murderous sister, Lucrezzia Belladonna went on to marry the nearly senile King of Estalia who unfortunately lasted few days past the wedding night. After some gentle and no-so gentle persuasion of the Estalian nobility, the new queen immediately sets to plotting and scheming to become queen of both Estalia and her native Tilea, with ample scope to revenge herself on the Prince of Miragliano himself, Borgio.
There we go. If we can resurrect Borgio from being stabbed to death in the bath with a toasting fork, I'm sure we can work out some justification for a known character to be shifted over to head Estalia.
Making Lucrezia a Estalian lord will be like maken Alberc to be a Empire Lord, Or Toddy a Bretonia lord. or like make Settra a Vampire Lord, they better not.
they better do a Estalian lord.
Reeling from spite after Borgio of Miragliano spurned her in favour of her (seemingly) less murderous sister, Lucrezzia Belladonna went on to marry the nearly senile King of Estalia who unfortunately lasted few days past the wedding night. After some gentle and no-so gentle persuasion of the Estalian nobility, the new queen immediately sets to plotting and scheming to become queen of both Estalia and her native Tilea, with ample scope to revenge herself on the Prince of Miragliano himself, Borgio.
There we go. If we can resurrect Borgio from being stabbed to death in the bath with a toasting fork, I'm sure we can work out some justification for a known character to be shifted over to head Estalia.
it's a hard pass,
It Kill any chance of getting a Estalian lord that give Estala a bit more lore and will give another lord to Dog of war fans can have another Tilean lord ugggh when they could have Marco Colombo in the new world colonies (with out he being married with mazamundi or something.)
I contemplated Marco Colombo in that roll already.
If CA ever makes Border Princes a playable race/faction. I would love it if they could recruit Lords that are from the different races of the Warhammer World (or at least whatever GW permits CA to do.) Allowing Players to have Dwarf Border Prince lords, or High Elves, Kislevites, Norscans, Imperials, Bretonnians, Cathayans, and whatever else they could toss in the pot since a Border Prince can be of pretty much any race.
Making Lucrezia a Estalian lord will be like maken Alberc to be a Empire Lord, Or Toddy a Bretonia lord. or like make Settra a Vampire Lord, they better not.
they better do a Estalian lord.
Reeling from spite after Borgio of Miragliano spurned her in favour of her (seemingly) less murderous sister, Lucrezzia Belladonna went on to marry the nearly senile King of Estalia who unfortunately lasted few days past the wedding night. After some gentle and no-so gentle persuasion of the Estalian nobility, the new queen immediately sets to plotting and scheming to become queen of both Estalia and her native Tilea, with ample scope to revenge herself on the Prince of Miragliano himself, Borgio.
There we go. If we can resurrect Borgio from being stabbed to death in the bath with a toasting fork, I'm sure we can work out some justification for a known character to be shifted over to head Estalia.
I actually really like your blurb but I do agree with Maku that doing something like this would totally kill off the chances of getting an original Estalian LL that could expand the very sparse lore of Estalia.
It Kill any chance of getting a Estalian lord that give Estala a bit more lore and will give another lord to Dog of war fans can have another Tilean lord ugggh when they could have Marco Colombo in the new world colonies (with out he being married with mazamundi or something.)
I contemplated Marco Colombo in that roll already.
Well it was just for illustrative purposes, I'd be fine with a purely Estalian character but it'd depend on how much leeway CA are given by GW should they get the go ahead. I'd think we'd be in original creations a la Kostaltyn territory, which can be contentious. I think the head of the Order of the Eagle might be a good LL... but it might not fall into your requirements as the position is currently held by a Tilean!
Also I think you're onto something with the Marco Colombo-Mazdamundi marriage thing. Skinks can throw confetti and everything.
It Kill any chance of getting a Estalian lord that give Estala a bit more lore and will give another lord to Dog of war fans can have another Tilean lord ugggh when they could have Marco Colombo in the new world colonies (with out he being married with mazamundi or something.)
I contemplated Marco Colombo in that roll already.
Well it was just for illustrative purposes, I'd be fine with a purely Estalian character but it'd depend on how much leeway CA are given by GW should they get the go ahead. I'd think we'd be in original creations a la Kostaltyn territory, which can be contentious. I think the head of the Order of the Eagle might be a good LL... but it might not fall into your requirements as the position is currently held by a Tilean!
Also I think you're onto something with the Marco Colombo-Mazdamundi marriage thing. Skinks can throw confetti and everything.
Colombo likes thick bubble butts.
But you said it they can make a kostalyn and don't have to kill the slim chances of Estalia to get some love.
That is a very good design you have made, OP. I wanna ask what is the probability that we are getting a Southern Realms DLC ever.
We don't know how many new races we are getting here for warhammer 3. There chances are certainly good- but far from guaranteed. Right now I'd say about 60-70%. Lower if the 2nd race pack is something else.
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1 · Disagree 1AgreeAnd, in the end, there are only going to be so many spaces available for LLs. (And on that matter, I'd be very surprised if all of them start in the Old World. Precedent suggests that they'll find reasons to spread them out, and that's not hard to do with DoW).
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0 · 1Disagree AgreeI will be pist off It will be super lazy anticlimactic. I prefer Estala stay as clones that a tilean lord as Estala faction leader.
However I consider that Lucrezia could use marriage as a mechanic to take over minor NPC factions as basals.
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It Kill any chance of getting a Estalian lord that give Estala a bit more lore and will give another lord to Dog of war fans can have another Tilean lord ugggh when they could have Marco Colombo in the new world colonies (with out he being married with mazamundi or something.)
I contemplated Marco Colombo in that roll already.
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1 · Disagree 1AgreeAlso I think you're onto something with the Marco Colombo-Mazdamundi marriage thing. Skinks can throw confetti and everything.
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0 · Disagree AgreeBut you said it they can make a kostalyn and don't have to kill the slim chances of Estalia to get some love.
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